Vigen Oregon State rumors.

[tetoncat]

Yeah, I mean why even consider someone with proven big sky success when you'll have candidates with none? Not saying Bobby shouldn't be considered, or Howe. Ed lamb won the big sky with a tin cup's worth of resources. Cody Hawkins kept his team going thru a brutal schedule to rally and finish 4th. They would absolutely get a call, imo, if our job comes open.

Montana State has way higher standards and they should.

Both those coaches have done more with less, much much less. Dismissing them is ignorant. I'm with Goldstone here.

Ok, I'll drop the snark and engage with you seriously on this.

Ed Lamb seems like a fine coach, but the fact of the matter is, even despite his past success at SUU, the best job he could find was Northern Colorado. Despite the good reviews he's gotten this season, the Bears have won three conference games in three seasons with him. Also, I'm highly skeptical of coaches from the BYU/Utah world being able to replicate their success outside of that bubble. That's all I will say about that.

Cody Hawkins has been fine in Pocatello. But UCD didn't want him (they chose a better coach) and his only experience is what he's done at ISU and working under his dad.

I am only being realistic when I say that a program of Montana State's caliber should have much higher standards than that. If that offends people, I don't know what to tell them.

Just so I'm clear, the "better coach" Davis hired is the one who just got clowned AT HOME by Cody Hawkins' Bengals, knocking Davis out of the big sky title race?

Sure I guess if you pick 1 game. Pinnick had been out and I think it took a few games for him to be up to speed. That coach also had his team perform as well vs MSU as any one not named NDSU.

[kcatz]

If I assume that DB50's post above is honest, I have no concerns about losing Vigen to OSU. The other two candidates represent much less risk to OSU than Vigen and clearly would be the strong favorites. I am not worried about Vigen going to OSU.

So of the risk assessment, in my mind Vigen is 2nd. Shephard has never been a HC nor coordinator. Now that doesn’t means much because you got a LOAD of HOF and national title coaches who were position before HC. Even some top use non title coaches!

To me Vigen and Wilcox are both very safe, Shep is the wildcard that has thrived at every big stop. Wilcox is just know, very known to this area. So he comes with defensive success and donor approval!

I think right now it’s Wilcox, Vigen, Shep in that order per the eyes of our ****** AD. Speaking of that Costello can come with

You sir just burned your welcome......


(That's sarcasm, but really don't even look at our AD)

[GoldstoneCat]

Yeah, I mean why even consider someone with proven big sky success when you'll have candidates with none? Not saying Bobby shouldn't be considered, or Howe. Ed lamb won the big sky with a tin cup's worth of resources. Cody Hawkins kept his team going thru a brutal schedule to rally and finish 4th. They would absolutely get a call, imo, if our job comes open.

Montana State has way higher standards and they should.

Both those coaches have done more with less, much much less. Dismissing them is ignorant. I'm with Goldstone here.

Ok, I'll drop the snark and engage with you seriously on this.

Ed Lamb seems like a fine coach, but the fact of the matter is, even despite his past success at SUU, the best job he could find was Northern Colorado. Despite the good reviews he's gotten this season, the Bears have won three conference games in three seasons with him. Also, I'm highly skeptical of coaches from the BYU/Utah world being able to replicate their success outside of that bubble. That's all I will say about that.

Cody Hawkins has been fine in Pocatello. But UCD didn't want him (they chose a better coach) and his only experience is what he's done at ISU and working under his dad.

I am only being realistic when I say that a program of Montana State's caliber should have much higher standards than that. If that offends people, I don't know what to tell them.

Just so I'm clear, the "better coach" Davis hired is the one who just got clowned AT HOME by Cody Hawkins' Bengals, knocking Davis out of the big sky title race?

Sure I guess if you pick 1 game. Pinnick had been out and I think it took a few games for him to be up to speed. That coach also had his team perform as well vs MSU as any one not named NDSU.

Plough is good. No argument. More illustrating the point that I think Hawkins is good too. Daly/howe would be 1 and 1a in some order for me, for the record. Someone totally unconnected could and likely will rise, as well, should a search become necessary. Maybe even a G5 offensive coordinator with FCS roots who's own fan base was happy to see him leave. What a disaster that would be.

[MrGoodKat]

Yeah, I mean why even consider someone with proven big sky success when you'll have candidates with none? Not saying Bobby shouldn't be considered, or Howe. Ed lamb won the big sky with a tin cup's worth of resources. Cody Hawkins kept his team going thru a brutal schedule to rally and finish 4th. They would absolutely get a call, imo, if our job comes open.

Montana State has way higher standards and they should.

Both those coaches have done more with less, much much less. Dismissing them is ignorant. I'm with Goldstone here.

Ok, I'll drop the snark and engage with you seriously on this.

Ed Lamb seems like a fine coach, but the fact of the matter is, even despite his past success at SUU, the best job he could find was Northern Colorado. Despite the good reviews he's gotten this season, the Bears have won three conference games in three seasons with him. Also, I'm highly skeptical of coaches from the BYU/Utah world being able to replicate their success outside of that bubble. That's all I will say about that.

Cody Hawkins has been fine in Pocatello. But UCD didn't want him (they chose a better coach) and his only experience is what he's done at ISU and working under his dad.

I am only being realistic when I say that a program of Montana State's caliber should have much higher standards than that. If that offends people, I don't know what to tell them.

Just so I'm clear, the "better coach" Davis hired is the one who just got clowned AT HOME by Cody Hawkins' Bengals, knocking Davis out of the big sky title race?

Correct

[TomCat88]

Yeah, I mean why even consider someone with proven big sky success when you'll have candidates with none? Not saying Bobby shouldn't be considered, or Howe. Ed lamb won the big sky with a tin cup's worth of resources. Cody Hawkins kept his team going thru a brutal schedule to rally and finish 4th. They would absolutely get a call, imo, if our job comes open.

Montana State has way higher standards and they should.

Both those coaches have done more with less, much much less. Dismissing them is ignorant. I'm with Goldstone here.

Ok, I'll drop the snark and engage with you seriously on this.

Ed Lamb seems like a fine coach, but the fact of the matter is, even despite his past success at SUU, the best job he could find was Northern Colorado. Despite the good reviews he's gotten this season, the Bears have won three conference games in three seasons with him. Also, I'm highly skeptical of coaches from the BYU/Utah world being able to replicate their success outside of that bubble. That's all I will say about that.

Cody Hawkins has been fine in Pocatello. But UCD didn't want him (they chose a better coach) and his only experience is what he's done at ISU and working under his dad.

I am only being realistic when I say that a program of Montana State's caliber should have much higher standards than that. If that offends people, I don't know what to tell them.

Just so I'm clear, the "better coach" Davis hired is the one who just got clowned AT HOME by Cody Hawkins' Bengals, knocking Davis out of the big sky title race?

Sure I guess if you pick 1 game. Pinnick had been out and I think it took a few games for him to be up to speed. That coach also had his team perform as well vs MSU as any one not named NDSU.

Pinnich had been out. About 12-15 other players were already out for the season for that game. I think both are good coaches, but I like Plough better. I think Plough is following the right model. I don't Hawkins can at ISU, so he's trying new things which is good coaching.

[nanacat]

I'm still in the Vigen stays longer boat, but if Daly wants it, it should be him, and maybe Howe would stay, along with as many of the rest as possible, because this current coaching staff is money in the bank!

[BelligerentBobcat]

Imagine if you will for a minute.

You have a coaching candidate who spent several years as the DC for an elite FCS program. Proven recruiter, proven good coach. He has FBS experience and has done well there as a coordinator. He has been a part of rebuilding programs, he has been a part of consistent elite programs. Knows how to build, knows how to maintain. Now, get this. He has learned from several great head coaches. He even has experience in a program in your immediate region, knows your main rival very well, and has recruited your region with great success for years.

If Daly was coming from anywhere else with that resume, people would say he’s a slam dunk good hire. Acting like he shouldn’t be the leading candidate because he’s from here is just foolish. Now this doesn’t mean they don’t do any actual search, but with his experience with this program, the current players, and knowing that we want to keep the continuity that we have, he is without a doubt, option #1.

Unless he completely botches the interview process or something negative comes out about him, I want Daly as well and I think he would be the younger energy needed to sustain Vigen’s consistent culture of excellence. Volatility isn’t good for a program and the team to the west has a coach who seems to enable it, if not create it on purpose.

Bobby was a very disciplined player, too. I like the coach who has a plan and doesn’t need to be the “star” of the program like Hauck has set up for himself in Missoula.

Couldn't agree more Papa.

[PortlandCat90]

Reliable word out of Portland/Corvallis is that it is turning into an interview process of not only "what does your resume show" but also "what can you bring to the table?" in terms of transfers and money. The guy from NDSU would probably excel most in category 1 and Wilcox best in category 2 (Uncle Phil).

[Cataholic]

Imagine if you will for a minute.

You have a coaching candidate who spent several years as the DC for an elite FCS program. Proven recruiter, proven good coach. He has FBS experience and has done well there as a coordinator. He has been a part of rebuilding programs, he has been a part of consistent elite programs. Knows how to build, knows how to maintain. Now, get this. He has learned from several great head coaches. He even has experience in a program in your immediate region, knows your main rival very well, and has recruited your region with great success for years.

If Daly was coming from anywhere else with that resume, people would say he’s a slam dunk good hire. Acting like he shouldn’t be the leading candidate because he’s from here is just foolish. Now this doesn’t mean they don’t do any actual search, but with his experience with this program, the current players, and knowing that we want to keep the continuity that we have, he is without a doubt, option #1.

Agree 1,000%. If Bobby is willing to come back, I wouldn’t even conduct other interviews. It is so low risk and high reward.

[Run-the-ball]

Does the group think that we have Lamson next year?

[catzz]

Does the group think that we have Lamson next year?

Yes, though depending on if/where Vigen goes.

[MSU01]

Does the group think that we have Lamson next year?

I'm increasingly beginning to think that we'll have both Lamson and Vigen. Lamson said after Cat/Griz that "coming to Montana State was the best decision I ever made". Will he want to go back to a bad FBS team to play his senior season or chase a National Championship and Payton Award at MSU? I know which option I'd pick.

[DB50]

If I assume that DB50's post above is honest, I have no concerns about losing Vigen to OSU. The other two candidates represent much less risk to OSU than Vigen and clearly would be the strong favorites. I am not worried about Vigen going to OSU.

So of the risk assessment, in my mind Vigen is 2nd. Shephard has never been a HC nor coordinator. Now that doesn’t means much because you got a LOAD of HOF and national title coaches who were position before HC. Even some top use non title coaches!

To me Vigen and Wilcox are both very safe, Shep is the wildcard that has thrived at every big stop. Wilcox is just know, very known to this area. So he comes with defensive success and donor approval!

I think right now it’s Wilcox, Vigen, Shep in that order per the eyes of our ****** AD. Speaking of that Costello can come with

You sir just burned your welcome......


(That's sarcasm, but really don't even look at our AD)

Oh but we will Barnes needs to freaking go.. one of the highest paid ADs in schools that compare to us. He’s awful and filled with ego. I can’t wait to see him again at baseball games and boo him more. We sit by each other!

[Run-the-ball]

Does the group think that we have Lamson next year?

I'm increasingly beginning to think that we'll have both Lamson and Vigen. Lamson said after Cat/Griz that "coming to Montana State was the best decision I ever made". Will he want to go back to a bad FBS team to play his senior season or chase a National Championship and Payton Award at MSU? I know which option I'd pick.

I sure do like your logic!

[CalgaryCat]

Reliable word out of Portland/Corvallis is that it is turning into an interview process of not only "what does your resume show" but also "what can you bring to the table?" in terms of transfers and money. The guy from NDSU would probably excel most in category 1 and Wilcox best in category 2 (Uncle Phil).

This is the new aspect of college sports that is making me focus on professional sports more. The dismantling of a team when a coach leaves now is too easy in the current environment. Hard to put energy into supporting something that can collapse so easily.

[BOBCATBORN]

According to the NDSU fans, they believe it will be Polasek that gets the job (complete speculation I'm sure). But if that does happen, does Vigen still look at the CSU job.

[exppi]

Reliable word out of Portland/Corvallis is that it is turning into an interview process of not only "what does your resume show" but also "what can you bring to the table?" in terms of transfers and money. The guy from NDSU would probably excel most in category 1 and Wilcox best in category 2 (Uncle Phil).

If they are wanting a quick turnaround, they will need lots of NIL $$$$. Money is gonna talk.

[Bocephus]

According to the NDSU fans, they believe it will be Polasek that gets the job (complete speculation I'm sure). But if that does happen, does Vigen still look at the CSU job.

Man, and Wyoming hates CSU, oddly enough.

[GoldstoneCat]

Does the group think that we have Lamson next year?

If Vigen is here, yes. If he's not...I think less than 50/50. I know he loves it here, all that... but he came here bc of his relationship with Vigen and his ability to develop quarterbacks. There's a chance if Vigen leaves Lamson follows imo.

[Run-the-ball]

Please tell me that if Polasek takes the OSU job, Vigen would not go to NDSU. That’s an absolute worst case scenario for me.