Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

[BelligerentBobcat]

Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.

Don’t put this on Tommy. It is the coordinators job to put the players and team in a position to succeed. At the Idaho game, we decide to pass against the number one passing defense in the conference. All while we had one of the top rushing attacks in the country. Totally mind boggling.

A lot of those plays were RPO’s where the QB read that the “correct” option was to pass.

Stats show 25 pass attempts to 24 rushing against the top rated pass defense in the conference. Strong offensive line. Loaded RB room. Top rushing offense. Skip the RPO, and hand the damn ball off. That is on the OC. It is not complicated.

Biggest perception in college football, across the country. In the NFL (and in high school) play callers exploit mis matches. That happens a certain amount in college. But when you are an all-out system offense, which MSU is (RPO and spread option mixed), you rarely ever call plays of any sort, especially in the first half. You box count, see fronts, make your choice on your priority read, attack, read again, either flourish or not.

People forget that coaches are limited on how much time they can spend with players in college. It’s all about keeping things as simple, and fast, as they can.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.

Don’t put this on Tommy. It is the coordinators job to put the players and team in a position to succeed. At the Idaho game, we decide to pass against the number one passing defense in the conference. All while we had one of the top rushing attacks in the country. Totally mind boggling.

A lot of those plays were RPO’s where the QB read that the “correct” option was to pass.

Stats show 25 pass attempts to 24 rushing against the top rated pass defense in the conference. Strong offensive line. Loaded RB room. Top rushing offense. Skip the RPO, and hand the damn ball off. That is on the OC. It is not complicated.

So at what point do you abandon the offense that has been tops in the country? One drive? Two drives? Three drives? It’s a legitimate question, at what point do you abandon the best offense in the nation?

The offense did well the second half. Over 8 yards per play if my memory is correct. And guess what? Same offense as the first half with the players making the correct reads. Why? Because they got coached up. I understand the frustration. Scheme wise, I think there’s a fair amount that could be improved. But to lay it all on play calling? It’s just unquestionably false.

[PapaG]

Let Daly coach LB's and Shepherd coach the secondary. Hire a special teams coach.

Again, how many teams have a dedicated ST’s coach at the FCS level?

An FCS ST coach isn’t working on technique for a kicker, they all have kicking coaches for that. Did we see a big problem is kick coverage? In the blocking schemes? I can’t recall that. That’s what a ST coach does. Even Hauck doesn’t mess with the kickers techniques, fwiw. And that’s straight from the mouth of one of their former kickers.

FWIW SDSU and NDSU both have dedicated special teams coordinators who also coach a position group. This is what I would like to see Vigen do with WMG's vacant position. Bring in a DBs coach who also has experience with special teams in some form or another.

I think Udy has done a good job and don't blame him for the missed kicks but watching the quarterfinal games and seeing teams like SDSU and UM make game changing plays with their special teams I feel like the Cats are a step behind in this phase of the game

Bobcats have the exact same thing with Udy scheming the ST. Are there posters who actually think MSU has nobody scheming STs?

[lutecat]

Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.

Don’t put this on Tommy. It is the coordinators job to put the players and team in a position to succeed. At the Idaho game, we decide to pass against the number one passing defense in the conference. All while we had one of the top rushing attacks in the country. Totally mind boggling.

So we're allowed to say a guy on D took a bad angle but we can't say the D was doing a good hob of disguising and thus confusing the post snap read? I'm not being critical of Tommy. I'm just saying some teams figured out some things.

And Colter backed up what I said.

[thefrank1]

Daly is exerting his influence on defensive player selection. Picked up Woodberry and probably wasn't excited about D'Amato.

[Cataholic]

Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.

Don’t put this on Tommy. It is the coordinators job to put the players and team in a position to succeed. At the Idaho game, we decide to pass against the number one passing defense in the conference. All while we had one of the top rushing attacks in the country. Totally mind boggling.

A lot of those plays were RPO’s where the QB read that the “correct” option was to pass.

Stats show 25 pass attempts to 24 rushing against the top rated pass defense in the conference. Strong offensive line. Loaded RB room. Top rushing offense. Skip the RPO, and hand the damn ball off. That is on the OC. It is not complicated.

Biggest misperception in college football, across the country. In the NFL (and in high school) play callers exploit mis matches. That happens a certain amount in college. But when you are an all-out system offense, which MSU is (RPO and spread option mixed), you rarely ever call plays of any sort, especially in the first half. You box count, see fronts, make your choice on your priority read, attack, read again, either flourish or not.

Cmon Colter. The Offensive Coordinator’s job is to develop a game plan to put their team in the best position to win. That includes making changes to the game plan and adapting to take advantage of the opponent’s weaknesses. Our first 3 series at Idaho yielded 9 plays for 14 yards. We passed 3 times on the first 4 plays. Here is an idea: give it to the RB Davis who was playing like a man possessed. Sorry, but that is on the man in charge, the OC.

[CodyCat]

Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.

Don’t put this on Tommy. It is the coordinators job to put the players and team in a position to succeed. At the Idaho game, we decide to pass against the number one passing defense in the conference. All while we had one of the top rushing attacks in the country. Totally mind boggling.

A lot of those plays were RPO’s where the QB read that the “correct” option was to pass.

Stats show 25 pass attempts to 24 rushing against the top rated pass defense in the conference. Strong offensive line. Loaded RB room. Top rushing offense. Skip the RPO, and hand the damn ball off. That is on the OC. It is not complicated.

Biggest misperception in college football, across the country. In the NFL (and in high school) play callers exploit mis matches. That happens a certain amount in college. But when you are an all-out system offense, which MSU is (RPO and spread option mixed), you rarely ever call plays of any sort, especially in the first half. You box count, see fronts, make your choice on your priority read, attack, read again, either flourish or not.

Cmon Colter. The Offensive Coordinator’s job is to develop a game plan to put their team in the best position to win. That includes making changes to the game plan and adapting to take advantage of the opponent’s weaknesses. Our first 3 series at Idaho yielded 9 plays for 14 yards. We passed 3 times on the first 4 plays. Here is an idea: give it to the RB Davis who was playing like a man possessed. Sorry, but that is on the man in charge, the OC.

I will never understand why we don't utilize our running backs more. I understand the RPO thing. But, with our line and our backs. Call some plays that are designed runs for the RBs.

[Colter_Nuanez]

Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.

Don’t put this on Tommy. It is the coordinators job to put the players and team in a position to succeed. At the Idaho game, we decide to pass against the number one passing defense in the conference. All while we had one of the top rushing attacks in the country. Totally mind boggling.

A lot of those plays were RPO’s where the QB read that the “correct” option was to pass.

Stats show 25 pass attempts to 24 rushing against the top rated pass defense in the conference. Strong offensive line. Loaded RB room. Top rushing offense. Skip the RPO, and hand the damn ball off. That is on the OC. It is not complicated.

Biggest misperception in college football, across the country. In the NFL (and in high school) play callers exploit mis matches. That happens a certain amount in college. But when you are an all-out system offense, which MSU is (RPO and spread option mixed), you rarely ever call plays of any sort, especially in the first half. You box count, see fronts, make your choice on your priority read, attack, read again, either flourish or not.

Cmon Colter. The Offensive Coordinator’s job is to develop a game plan to put their team in the best position to win. That includes making changes to the game plan and adapting to take advantage of the opponent’s weaknesses. Our first 3 series at Idaho yielded 9 plays for 14 yards. We passed 3 times on the first 4 plays. Here is an idea: give it to the RB Davis who was playing like a man possessed. Sorry, but that is on the man in charge, the OC.

This is what I'm saying though...most of the time, plays are not called rather than RPO concepts being called....it's all read based. If the quarterback makes the incorrect read or doesn't make the right decision post snap or the receivers drop the ball, it looks like it did against Idaho. If the QB is throwing lasers up the seam like Mellott was against NDSU, then the offense looks like an unstoppable force.

It's the same thing when people are complaining about too many Sean Chambers inside runs being called....those aren't being called. RPO plays with multiple options are being called, and the quarterback is deciding to keep it...

All RPO teams, even the Philadelphia Eagles, go through it. If you watched Sunday Night Football, you know what I mean. Dallas had Jalen Hurts all crossed up and the Eagles had the drops. One of the best teams in the NFL scored 13 points on national TV.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I get that it’s easier to lay blame on one person, but we’re all adults here. We should be able to realize that just isn’t how things work.

[kmax]

I am amazed by this thread. This board by and large has been calling for this move for over a year. Move on from Garza and a general feel that Daly is the right replacement. Pages and pages and pages of posts of people calling to and/or asking when Garza would be gone, some for off field reasons others for on field reasons and many for both. We get news that it has now happened. Vigen made a change and will not renew Garza and a Bobcat great will be elevated to replace him as Defensive Coordinator...and in less than two pages the thread is all about the nuances of play(concept) calling in the RPO offensive scheme.

[blueandgoldblitz]

Anyone think we lose any recruits that may or may not have been coming to play for Garza?

[CodyCat]

I am amazed by this thread. This board by and large has been calling for this move for over a year. Move on from Garza and a general feel that Daly is the right replacement. Pages and pages and pages of posts of people calling to and/or asking when Garza would be gone, some for off field reasons others for on field reasons and many for both. We get news that it has now happened. Vigen made a change and will not renew Garza and a Bobcat great will be elevated to replace him as Defensive Coordinator...and in less than two pages the thread is all about the nuances of play(concept) calling in the RPO offensive scheme.

BobcatNation is fun

[WalkOn79]

Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.

Don’t put this on Tommy. It is the coordinators job to put the players and team in a position to succeed. At the Idaho game, we decide to pass against the number one passing defense in the conference. All while we had one of the top rushing attacks in the country. Totally mind boggling.

A lot of those plays were RPO’s where the QB read that the “correct” option was to pass.

Stats show 25 pass attempts to 24 rushing against the top rated pass defense in the conference. Strong offensive line. Loaded RB room. Top rushing offense. Skip the RPO, and hand the damn ball off. That is on the OC. It is not complicated.

Biggest misperception in college football, across the country. In the NFL (and in high school) play callers exploit mis matches. That happens a certain amount in college. But when you are an all-out system offense, which MSU is (RPO and spread option mixed), you rarely ever call plays of any sort, especially in the first half. You box count, see fronts, make your choice on your priority read, attack, read again, either flourish or not.

Cmon Colter. The Offensive Coordinator’s job is to develop a game plan to put their team in the best position to win. That includes making changes to the game plan and adapting to take advantage of the opponent’s weaknesses. Our first 3 series at Idaho yielded 9 plays for 14 yards. We passed 3 times on the first 4 plays. Here is an idea: give it to the RB Davis who was playing like a man possessed. Sorry, but that is on the man in charge, the OC.

This is what I'm saying though...most of the time, plays are not called rather than RPO concepts being called....it's all read based. If the quarterback makes the incorrect read or doesn't make the right decision post snap or the receivers drop the ball, it looks like it did against Idaho. If the QB is throwing lasers up the seam like Mellott was against NDSU, then the offense looks like an unstoppable force.

It's the same thing when people are complaining about too many Sean Chambers inside runs being called....those aren't being called. RPO plays with multiple options are being called, and the quarterback is deciding to keep it...

All RPO teams, even the Philadelphia Eagles, go through it. If you watched Sunday Night Football, you know what I mean. Dallas had Jalen Hurts all crossed up and the Eagles had the drops. One of the best teams in the NFL scored 13 points on national TV.

I agree, Colter, but the 3rd and 1 call that got Tommy hurt was on the OC. There was really know RPO there and he was in an empty set, so he was really the only option to pick up one yard. All 22,000 in attendance knew it.

[77matman]

I was hoping for a rollout pass.

Seemed like the best option.

[84CatGrad]

I am amazed by this thread. This board by and large has been calling for this move for over a year. Move on from Garza and a general feel that Daly is the right replacement. Pages and pages and pages of posts of people calling to and/or asking when Garza would be gone, some for off field reasons others for on field reasons and many for both. We get news that it has now happened. Vigen made a change and will not renew Garza and a Bobcat great will be elevated to replace him as Defensive Coordinator...and in less than two pages the thread is all about the nuances of play(concept) calling in the RPO offensive scheme.

[lutecat]

Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.

Don’t put this on Tommy. It is the coordinators job to put the players and team in a position to succeed. At the Idaho game, we decide to pass against the number one passing defense in the conference. All while we had one of the top rushing attacks in the country. Totally mind boggling.

A lot of those plays were RPO’s where the QB read that the “correct” option was to pass.

Stats show 25 pass attempts to 24 rushing against the top rated pass defense in the conference. Strong offensive line. Loaded RB room. Top rushing offense. Skip the RPO, and hand the damn ball off. That is on the OC. It is not complicated.

Biggest misperception in college football, across the country. In the NFL (and in high school) play callers exploit mis matches. That happens a certain amount in college. But when you are an all-out system offense, which MSU is (RPO and spread option mixed), you rarely ever call plays of any sort, especially in the first half. You box count, see fronts, make your choice on your priority read, attack, read again, either flourish or not.

Cmon Colter. The Offensive Coordinator’s job is to develop a game plan to put their team in the best position to win. That includes making changes to the game plan and adapting to take advantage of the opponent’s weaknesses. Our first 3 series at Idaho yielded 9 plays for 14 yards. We passed 3 times on the first 4 plays. Here is an idea: give it to the RB Davis who was playing like a man possessed. Sorry, but that is on the man in charge, the OC.

I'm not really surprised you don't get it. But CN has done his best to make you understand so it's time to move on.

Exciting to have a Daly as DC!

[GoldstoneCat]

Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.

Don’t put this on Tommy. It is the coordinators job to put the players and team in a position to succeed. At the Idaho game, we decide to pass against the number one passing defense in the conference. All while we had one of the top rushing attacks in the country. Totally mind boggling.

A lot of those plays were RPO’s where the QB read that the “correct” option was to pass.

Stats show 25 pass attempts to 24 rushing against the top rated pass defense in the conference. Strong offensive line. Loaded RB room. Top rushing offense. Skip the RPO, and hand the damn ball off. That is on the OC. It is not complicated.

Biggest misperception in college football, across the country. In the NFL (and in high school) play callers exploit mis matches. That happens a certain amount in college. But when you are an all-out system offense, which MSU is (RPO and spread option mixed), you rarely ever call plays of any sort, especially in the first half. You box count, see fronts, make your choice on your priority read, attack, read again, either flourish or not.

Cmon Colter. The Offensive Coordinator’s job is to develop a game plan to put their team in the best position to win. That includes making changes to the game plan and adapting to take advantage of the opponent’s weaknesses. Our first 3 series at Idaho yielded 9 plays for 14 yards. We passed 3 times on the first 4 plays. Here is an idea: give it to the RB Davis who was playing like a man possessed. Sorry, but that is on the man in charge, the OC.

I'm not really surprised you don't get it. But CN has done his best to make you understand so it's time to move on.

Exciting to have a Daly as DC!

Cataholic, you've got this one wrong. Tommy played a horrible half. It cost us that game. It also happens to everyone. He had the option to hand the ball to Davis on at least 2 of those plays and chose not to based on what Idaho was showing him. They had him confused, plain and simple. If you're advocating for a different coordinator and a different type of offense that's fair but with this offense, well just reference colter's post. Tommy is a hell of a player and a hell of a leader, who made some bad reads in that game. Same thing happened in Missoula. He followed that up with imo the best game of his career against ndsu. Glad we have him for 1 more year.

[MountainCat]

I am amazed by this thread. This board by and large has been calling for this move for over a year. Move on from Garza and a general feel that Daly is the right replacement. Pages and pages and pages of posts of people calling to and/or asking when Garza would be gone, some for off field reasons others for on field reasons and many for both. We get news that it has now happened. Vigen made a change and will not renew Garza and a Bobcat great will be elevated to replace him as Defensive Coordinator...and in less than two pages the thread is all about the nuances of play(concept) calling in the RPO offensive scheme.

Well K-Max, it’s very simple… Try to keep up.

Otters love carrots when the donkey rides the cyclone at church…. It’s like you don’t even know this place or something.

[ike11ike]

Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.

Don’t put this on Tommy. It is the coordinators job to put the players and team in a position to succeed. At the Idaho game, we decide to pass against the number one passing defense in the conference. All while we had one of the top rushing attacks in the country. Totally mind boggling.

A lot of those plays were RPO’s where the QB read that the “correct” option was to pass.

Stats show 25 pass attempts to 24 rushing against the top rated pass defense in the conference. Strong offensive line. Loaded RB room. Top rushing offense. Skip the RPO, and hand the damn ball off. That is on the OC. It is not complicated.

Biggest misperception in college football, across the country. In the NFL (and in high school) play callers exploit mis matches. That happens a certain amount in college. But when you are an all-out system offense, which MSU is (RPO and spread option mixed), you rarely ever call plays of any sort, especially in the first half. You box count, see fronts, make your choice on your priority read, attack, read again, either flourish or not.

Cmon Colter. The Offensive Coordinator’s job is to develop a game plan to put their team in the best position to win. That includes making changes to the game plan and adapting to take advantage of the opponent’s weaknesses. Our first 3 series at Idaho yielded 9 plays for 14 yards. We passed 3 times on the first 4 plays. Here is an idea: give it to the RB Davis who was playing like a man possessed. Sorry, but that is on the man in charge, the OC.

This is what I'm saying though...most of the time, plays are not called rather than RPO concepts being called....it's all read based. If the quarterback makes the incorrect read or doesn't make the right decision post snap or the receivers drop the ball, it looks like it did against Idaho. If the QB is throwing lasers up the seam like Mellott was against NDSU, then the offense looks like an unstoppable force.

It's the same thing when people are complaining about too many Sean Chambers inside runs being called....those aren't being called. RPO plays with multiple options are being called, and the quarterback is deciding to keep it...

All RPO teams, even the Philadelphia Eagles, go through it. If you watched Sunday Night Football, you know what I mean. Dallas had Jalen Hurts all crossed up and the Eagles had the drops. One of the best teams in the NFL scored 13 points on national TV.

Nailed it

[TomCat88]

Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.

Don’t put this on Tommy. It is the coordinators job to put the players and team in a position to succeed. At the Idaho game, we decide to pass against the number one passing defense in the conference. All while we had one of the top rushing attacks in the country. Totally mind boggling.

A lot of those plays were RPO’s where the QB read that the “correct” option was to pass.

Stats show 25 pass attempts to 24 rushing against the top rated pass defense in the conference. Strong offensive line. Loaded RB room. Top rushing offense. Skip the RPO, and hand the damn ball off. That is on the OC. It is not complicated.

Biggest misperception in college football, across the country. In the NFL (and in high school) play callers exploit mis matches. That happens a certain amount in college. But when you are an all-out system offense, which MSU is (RPO and spread option mixed), you rarely ever call plays of any sort, especially in the first half. You box count, see fronts, make your choice on your priority read, attack, read again, either flourish or not.

Cmon Colter. The Offensive Coordinator’s job is to develop a game plan to put their team in the best position to win. That includes making changes to the game plan and adapting to take advantage of the opponent’s weaknesses. Our first 3 series at Idaho yielded 9 plays for 14 yards. We passed 3 times on the first 4 plays. Here is an idea: give it to the RB Davis who was playing like a man possessed. Sorry, but that is on the man in charge, the OC.

I'm not really surprised you don't get it. But CN has done his best to make you understand so it's time to move on.

Exciting to have a Daly as DC!

Cataholic, you've got this one wrong. Tommy played a horrible half. It cost us that game. It also happens to everyone. He had the option to hand the ball to Davis on at least 2 of those plays and chose not to based on what Idaho was showing him. They had him confused, plain and simple. If you're advocating for a different coordinator and a different type of offense that's fair but with this offense, well just reference colter's post. Tommy is a hell of a player and a hell of a leader, who made some bad reads in that game. Same thing happened in Missoula. He followed that up with imo the best game of his career against ndsu. Glad we have him for 1 more year.

And despite missing those reads had his receivers not dropped three passes MSU is probably up 14-10 at halftime. Probably…

Anyway, I think Daly is going to ignite MSU’s defense ala Matt Miller when he got the OC job.