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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

Post by Buckaroo Bonzi » Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:42 pm

Good positive move ~ now address the OC ~ find a kicker and fix the production of ST’s and we are 3 Legs up for next year .


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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

Post by lutecat » Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:51 pm

Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.



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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

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lutecat wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:51 pm
Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.
I agree. To me it always seemed like the majority of offensive plays that busted, someone made a physical or mental mistake. Like you could see how the correct read would have had a positive result or if they caught the ball it's a td. I think this year should be House's last chance to prove he can get guys focused and take advantage of opportunities or he should be gone as well.

On defense, we had those too but it just seemed the scheme of the defense was to give up lots of yards(long drawn out drives) and hope the other team makes a mistake. Works great against crappy teams but against teams as good or better than us, it just wasn't cutting the mustard. I would much rather have a defense that forces the issue and makes the other team respond, than one that sits back and reacts.


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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

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First box checked! =D^ Well done!



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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

Post by 84CatGrad » Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:13 pm

bpcats20 wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:25 am
Great move. Will be interesting to see any subtle differences implemented next year.

May need a little patience for a year or two as he grows into the role.
Patience? For an OC or DC? ARE YOU MAD???? :D



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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

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BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:33 am
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Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:21 am
Let Daly coach LB's and Shepherd coach the secondary. Hire a special teams coach.
Again, how many teams have a dedicated ST’s coach at the FCS level?

An FCS ST coach isn’t working on technique for a kicker, they all have kicking coaches for that. Did we see a big problem is kick coverage? In the blocking schemes? I can’t recall that. That’s what a ST coach does. Even Hauck doesn’t mess with the kickers techniques, fwiw. And that’s straight from the mouth of one of their former kickers.
I don’t remember his name (well, I remember it but the ol’ brain won’t bring it up) but the red-headed guy? Special teams coach. Givens, maybe. An Ash coach maybe? Special teams were never as sharp as that year.



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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

Post by Bocephus » Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:33 pm

Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:27 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:33 am
Hawks86 wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:21 am
Let Daly coach LB's and Shepherd coach the secondary. Hire a special teams coach.
Again, how many teams have a dedicated ST’s coach at the FCS level?

An FCS ST coach isn’t working on technique for a kicker, they all have kicking coaches for that. Did we see a big problem is kick coverage? In the blocking schemes? I can’t recall that. That’s what a ST coach does. Even Hauck doesn’t mess with the kickers techniques, fwiw. And that’s straight from the mouth of one of their former kickers.
I don’t remember his name (well, I remember it but the ol’ brain won’t bring it up) but the red-headed guy? Special teams coach. Givens, maybe. An Ash coach maybe? Special teams were never as sharp as that year.
DePrato?



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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:36 pm

Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:27 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:33 am
Hawks86 wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:21 am
Let Daly coach LB's and Shepherd coach the secondary. Hire a special teams coach.
Again, how many teams have a dedicated ST’s coach at the FCS level?

An FCS ST coach isn’t working on technique for a kicker, they all have kicking coaches for that. Did we see a big problem is kick coverage? In the blocking schemes? I can’t recall that. That’s what a ST coach does. Even Hauck doesn’t mess with the kickers techniques, fwiw. And that’s straight from the mouth of one of their former kickers.
I don’t remember his name (well, I remember it but the ol’ brain won’t bring it up) but the red-headed guy? Special teams coach. Givens, maybe. An Ash coach maybe? Special teams were never as sharp as that year.
DePrato? He coached TE’s as well if I remember right. Players loved him.



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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

Post by RobertCats » Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:36 pm

Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:27 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:33 am
Hawks86 wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:21 am
Let Daly coach LB's and Shepherd coach the secondary. Hire a special teams coach.
Again, how many teams have a dedicated ST’s coach at the FCS level?

An FCS ST coach isn’t working on technique for a kicker, they all have kicking coaches for that. Did we see a big problem is kick coverage? In the blocking schemes? I can’t recall that. That’s what a ST coach does. Even Hauck doesn’t mess with the kickers techniques, fwiw. And that’s straight from the mouth of one of their former kickers.
I don’t remember his name (well, I remember it but the ol’ brain won’t bring it up) but the red-headed guy? Special teams coach. Givens, maybe. An Ash coach maybe? Special teams were never as sharp as that year.
Daniel Da Prato maybe?

https://txst.com/sports/football/roster ... prato/1609

Special Teams Coordinator at Texas State, he coached tight ends along with being ST coordinator. Was at South Florida for a few years as their ST coordinator as well.

*Whoops, Belligerent beat me to it.



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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

Post by Cataholic » Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:48 pm

lutecat wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:51 pm
Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.
Don’t put this on Tommy. It is the coordinators job to put the players and team in a position to succeed. At the Idaho game, we decide to pass against the number one passing defense in the conference. All while we had one of the top rushing attacks in the country. Totally mind boggling.



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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

Post by gtapp » Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:16 pm

Half way there!!!!


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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

Post by Colter_Nuanez » Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:31 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:48 pm
lutecat wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:51 pm
Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.
Don’t put this on Tommy. It is the coordinators job to put the players and team in a position to succeed. At the Idaho game, we decide to pass against the number one passing defense in the conference. All while we had one of the top rushing attacks in the country. Totally mind boggling.
As I say every week on the Big Sky Breakdown...when you run RPO, the coordinator doesn't call plays, they call concepts. Then the vast majority of what happens depends on the post snap reads by the trigger man. And the defense dictates can influence those reads with the pre snap looks and instant post snap drops. That's how Idaho had Montana State's heads spinning.



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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:40 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:48 pm
lutecat wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:51 pm
Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.
Don’t put this on Tommy. It is the coordinators job to put the players and team in a position to succeed. At the Idaho game, we decide to pass against the number one passing defense in the conference. All while we had one of the top rushing attacks in the country. Totally mind boggling.
A lot of those plays were RPO’s where the QB read that the “correct” option was to pass.



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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:41 pm

Colter beat me to it with a lot more details. Good job Colter.



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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

Post by Cataholic » Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:57 pm

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:40 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:48 pm
lutecat wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:51 pm
Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.
Don’t put this on Tommy. It is the coordinators job to put the players and team in a position to succeed. At the Idaho game, we decide to pass against the number one passing defense in the conference. All while we had one of the top rushing attacks in the country. Totally mind boggling.
A lot of those plays were RPO’s where the QB read that the “correct” option was to pass.
Stats show 25 pass attempts to 24 rushing against the top rated pass defense in the conference. Strong offensive line. Loaded RB room. Top rushing offense. Skip the RPO, and hand the damn ball off. That is on the OC. It is not complicated.



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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

Post by Common Cat » Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:18 pm

Do you think Daly brings a scheme change outside of certain blitz packages?


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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

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Common Cat wrote:
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Do you think Daly brings a scheme change outside of certain blitz packages?
Hopefully a scheme where we tackle.



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Re: Daly promoted to defensive coordinator

Post by Colter_Nuanez » Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:45 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:57 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:40 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:48 pm
lutecat wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:51 pm
Here me out. I'd guess that our offensive struggles were a case of defenses figuring out how to confuse Tommy. Tommy will be hitting the film this off-season and figuring it out. CN has said in the past that we run like 4 plays. It's up to Tommy at the line to decide what happens based on what the D shows. At Idaho I heard someone say they showed him a bunch of false fronts. I think the griz figures out more of that.
Don’t put this on Tommy. It is the coordinators job to put the players and team in a position to succeed. At the Idaho game, we decide to pass against the number one passing defense in the conference. All while we had one of the top rushing attacks in the country. Totally mind boggling.
A lot of those plays were RPO’s where the QB read that the “correct” option was to pass.
Stats show 25 pass attempts to 24 rushing against the top rated pass defense in the conference. Strong offensive line. Loaded RB room. Top rushing offense. Skip the RPO, and hand the damn ball off. That is on the OC. It is not complicated.
Biggest misperception in college football, across the country. In the NFL (and in high school) play callers exploit mis matches. That happens a certain amount in college. But when you are an all-out system offense, which MSU is (RPO and spread option mixed), you rarely ever call plays of any sort, especially in the first half. You box count, see fronts, make your choice on your priority read, attack, read again, either flourish or not.
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