Offseason Random Stuff - 2023

[Cataholic]

Man, if you guys don't like those videos, you probably don't want to hear about the yearly MSU coaches clinics.

As Hi Line said, it is apples to oranges. As a coach who has been to those clinics, there are not opposition coaches in attendance. Do you think a Gris coach has ever attended an MSU coaches clinic?

The truth maybe that some people are okay with sharing your expertise with anyone, including your opposition. I am not. I have never played with or coached with anyone who would be okay with that.

What was the name of your Fantasy Football team at the time you attended these clinics?

Highly unlikely you have coached more than me. That is all you need to know.

And given your snide comment, I am trying to figure out how I could have posted in a more civil manner. I thought my comment was pretty straightforward and acknowledged others may feel differently. But then again, maybe you are just trying to be d1ck with your comment?

Not trying to be a Dick but dude your post makes you sound like a clown. All types of Coaches (high school, college , NFL) have been posting online , making Video tapes and passing out mini playbooks for 1/2 a century . Majority of the ones I have worked with and listen to will sit down with anyone and talk football.

Well you failed, because you were being a Dick. Geez man, I even acknowledged some people are okay with this.

And seriously dude, you don’t see a difference between “putting an x and o analysis of specific plays on the web for anyone to view” versus “attending a coaches clinic”?

Would those coaches you have “worked with” be willing to walk you through their plays if you are from a rival program? I certainly wouldn’t share information with them - especially a detailed breakdown of assignments and options. Heck maybe I am wrong... Next season I will skip film and just call them and ask questions. Maybe they will even let me attend their practice.

Might be time to take a break with the keyboard warrior schtick. We all know you are a die hard Bobcat fan, you've proven over the years that you love this program dearly - and that love goes far beyond any coach, coaching staff, player or position group - so much so that it blinds you at times.

This is one of those times.

Your opinion has been proven dead wrong by multiple examples. So maybe instead of continuing to argue - when your opinion is so clearly in the very miniscule minority - it might be best to make like Elsa and "Let It Go".

I've done that a lot more recently here, and it's been for the better.

Thanks. You’re probably right. I do find it comical though how others have said “everyone is entitled to their own opinion”, yet how selective they are in applying that concept.

[Cataholic]

Man, if you guys don't like those videos, you probably don't want to hear about the yearly MSU coaches clinics.

As Hi Line said, it is apples to oranges. As a coach who has been to those clinics, there are not opposition coaches in attendance. Do you think a Gris coach has ever attended an MSU coaches clinic?

The truth maybe that some people are okay with sharing your expertise with anyone, including your opposition. I am not. I have never played with or coached with anyone who would be okay with that.

What was the name of your Fantasy Football team at the time you attended these clinics?

Highly unlikely you have coached more than me. That is all you need to know.

And given your snide comment, I am trying to figure out how I could have posted in a more civil manner. I thought my comment was pretty straightforward and acknowledged others may feel differently. But then again, maybe you are just trying to be d1ck with your comment?

Not trying to be a Dick but dude your post makes you sound like a clown. All types of Coaches (high school, college , NFL) have been posting online , making Video tapes and passing out mini playbooks for 1/2 a century . Majority of the ones I have worked with and listen to will sit down with anyone and talk football.

Well you failed, because you were being a Dick. Geez man, I even acknowledged some people are okay with this.

And seriously dude, you don’t see a difference between “putting an x and o analysis of specific plays on the web for anyone to view” versus “attending a coaches clinic”?

Would those coaches you have “worked with” be willing to walk you through their plays if you are from a rival program? I certainly wouldn’t share information with them - especially a detailed breakdown of assignments and options. Heck maybe I am wrong... Next season I will skip film and just call them and ask questions. Maybe they will even let me attend their practice.

Do you genuinely think other coaches don’t know what the QB is supposed to key on?

Did you watch any of these videos? It wasn’t just about the QB. They gave blocking assignments, adjustments by the defense, how to adjust to their defensive adjustments, etc. it is not that other teams don’t research these things in preparing for a game against MSU - it is that these videos make it a lot easier for an opponent to prepare for us.

Do you genuinely think Housewright’s videos would not make it easier for a team to scout us?

[BelligerentBobcat]

Man, if you guys don't like those videos, you probably don't want to hear about the yearly MSU coaches clinics.

As Hi Line said, it is apples to oranges. As a coach who has been to those clinics, there are not opposition coaches in attendance. Do you think a Gris coach has ever attended an MSU coaches clinic?

The truth maybe that some people are okay with sharing your expertise with anyone, including your opposition. I am not. I have never played with or coached with anyone who would be okay with that.

What was the name of your Fantasy Football team at the time you attended these clinics?

Highly unlikely you have coached more than me. That is all you need to know.

And given your snide comment, I am trying to figure out how I could have posted in a more civil manner. I thought my comment was pretty straightforward and acknowledged others may feel differently. But then again, maybe you are just trying to be d1ck with your comment?

Not trying to be a Dick but dude your post makes you sound like a clown. All types of Coaches (high school, college , NFL) have been posting online , making Video tapes and passing out mini playbooks for 1/2 a century . Majority of the ones I have worked with and listen to will sit down with anyone and talk football.

Well you failed, because you were being a Dick. Geez man, I even acknowledged some people are okay with this.

And seriously dude, you don’t see a difference between “putting an x and o analysis of specific plays on the web for anyone to view” versus “attending a coaches clinic”?

Would those coaches you have “worked with” be willing to walk you through their plays if you are from a rival program? I certainly wouldn’t share information with them - especially a detailed breakdown of assignments and options. Heck maybe I am wrong... Next season I will skip film and just call them and ask questions. Maybe they will even let me attend their practice.

Do you genuinely think other coaches don’t know what the QB is supposed to key on?

Did you watch any of these videos? It wasn’t just about the QB. They gave blocking assignments, adjustments by the defense, how to adjust to their defensive adjustments, etc. it is not that other teams don’t research these things in preparing for a game against MSU - it is that these videos make it a lot easier for an opponent to prepare for us.

Do you genuinely think Housewright’s videos would not make it easier for a team to scout us?

I think pretty much all that stuff is known by the other teams already. Again, all of these coaches are either going to the same clinics or know people who do. They all talk amongst themselves. This really isn’t as big of a deal as you’re making it out to be. If it was a big deal, they wouldn’t do it. It’s just basic common sense. Don’t overthink it.

[grizzh8r]

Man, if you guys don't like those videos, you probably don't want to hear about the yearly MSU coaches clinics.

As Hi Line said, it is apples to oranges. As a coach who has been to those clinics, there are not opposition coaches in attendance. Do you think a Gris coach has ever attended an MSU coaches clinic?

The truth maybe that some people are okay with sharing your expertise with anyone, including your opposition. I am not. I have never played with or coached with anyone who would be okay with that.

What was the name of your Fantasy Football team at the time you attended these clinics?

Highly unlikely you have coached more than me. That is all you need to know.

And given your snide comment, I am trying to figure out how I could have posted in a more civil manner. I thought my comment was pretty straightforward and acknowledged others may feel differently. But then again, maybe you are just trying to be d1ck with your comment?

Not trying to be a Dick but dude your post makes you sound like a clown. All types of Coaches (high school, college , NFL) have been posting online , making Video tapes and passing out mini playbooks for 1/2 a century . Majority of the ones I have worked with and listen to will sit down with anyone and talk football.

Well you failed, because you were being a Dick. Geez man, I even acknowledged some people are okay with this.

And seriously dude, you don’t see a difference between “putting an x and o analysis of specific plays on the web for anyone to view” versus “attending a coaches clinic”?

Would those coaches you have “worked with” be willing to walk you through their plays if you are from a rival program? I certainly wouldn’t share information with them - especially a detailed breakdown of assignments and options. Heck maybe I am wrong... Next season I will skip film and just call them and ask questions. Maybe they will even let me attend their practice.

Might be time to take a break with the keyboard warrior schtick. We all know you are a die hard Bobcat fan, you've proven over the years that you love this program dearly - and that love goes far beyond any coach, coaching staff, player or position group - so much so that it blinds you at times.

This is one of those times.

Your opinion has been proven dead wrong by multiple examples. So maybe instead of continuing to argue - when your opinion is so clearly in the very miniscule minority - it might be best to make like Elsa and "Let It Go".

I've done that a lot more recently here, and it's been for the better.

Thanks. You’re probably right. I do find it comical though how others have said “everyone is entitled to their own opinion”, yet how selective they are in applying that concept.

There's always room for different opinions, but that doesn't always make conflicting opinions mutually correct. Just ask my wife, she finds fault in many of my opinions...

[AFCAT]

He corrected it, but I still thought it was funny.

[allcat]

What have we learned so far. Catholic watches House videos, already knows this stuff, just doesn't want anyone else to figure it out. So does this mean we have to kidnap every coach who has worked under him and is now somewhere else. What about who taught him? Is the ipf where we're going to keep these guys. It really brings up a lot of questions.

[Cataholic]

What have we learned so far. Catholic watches House videos, already knows this stuff, just doesn't want anyone else to figure it out. So does this mean we have to kidnap every coach who has worked under him and is now somewhere else. What about who taught him? Is the ipf where we're going to keep these guys. It really brings up a lot of questions.

Nowhere near what I was saying. I realize that was a “parting shot” of some sorts, but some of you are just a-holes.

[coloradocat]

Willie P!!!

[BelligerentBobcat]

What have we learned so far. Catholic watches House videos, already knows this stuff, just doesn't want anyone else to figure it out. So does this mean we have to kidnap every coach who has worked under him and is now somewhere else. What about who taught him? Is the ipf where we're going to keep these guys. It really brings up a lot of questions.

Nowhere near what I was saying. I realize that was a “parting shot” of some sorts, but some of you are just a-holes.

It amazes me you ever made it through a HS locker room.

[Bobcat4Ever]

The consensus is that the plays are widely known anyway. Then why does Coach Vigen hold closed practices?

[TomCat88]

The consensus is that the plays are widely known anyway. Then why does Coach Vigen hold closed practices?

Omg!!! YES!!! I thought this thread would die! Lessssgoooo!!!

[Cataholic]

What have we learned so far. Catholic watches House videos, already knows this stuff, just doesn't want anyone else to figure it out. So does this mean we have to kidnap every coach who has worked under him and is now somewhere else. What about who taught him? Is the ipf where we're going to keep these guys. It really brings up a lot of questions.

Nowhere near what I was saying. I realize that was a “parting shot” of some sorts, but some of you are just a-holes.

It amazes me you ever made it through a HS locker room.

Another a-hole comment from an all time a-hole poster. But, I would love to compare resumes with you - both on field and off - that is assuming you ever played

[TomCat88]

[cats2506]

The consensus is that the plays are widely known anyway. Then why does Coach Vigen hold closed practices?

Opponents already have these plays on film and broken them down (even though its digital now), when a new season starts we have different personnel so there are adjustments due to those differences, weekly game plans are adjusted due to specific opponents personnel and schemes. No one want to give out that game plan right before a game, make them adjust in the game.

Random addition, it always interests me when modern technology still uses terms referring to old technology: ie film, and tape now refers to digital video, roll down your window is still used despite vehicles not having hand crank windows for over 30 years.

[AFCAT]

What have we learned so far. Catholic watches House videos, already knows this stuff, just doesn't want anyone else to figure it out. So does this mean we have to kidnap every coach who has worked under him and is now somewhere else. What about who taught him? Is the ipf where we're going to keep these guys. It really brings up a lot of questions.

Nowhere near what I was saying. I realize that was a “parting shot” of some sorts, but some of you are just a-holes.

It amazes me you ever made it through a HS locker room.

Another a-hole comment from an all time a-hole poster. But, I would love to compare resumes with you - both on field and off - that is assuming you ever played

Arguing over the internet versus face to face.

[Cataholic]

The consensus is that the plays are widely known anyway. Then why does Coach Vigen hold closed practices?

Opponents already have these plays on film and broken them down (even though its digital now), when a new season starts we have different personnel so there are adjustments due to those differences, weekly game plans are adjusted due to specific opponents personnel and schemes. No one want to give out that game plan right before a game, make them adjust in the game.

Random addition, it always interests me when modern technology still uses terms referring to old technology: ie film, and tape now refers to digital video, roll down your window is still used despite vehicles not having hand crank windows for over 30 years.

So with your explanation, in his illustration of the RPO, the assignments and player reads are already documented by our opposition. Based in your explanation, our opponent is simply just making adjustments for the new personnel each year. Given that House’s video features both Mellot and Chambers, the Alaskan Assassin, our returning O-line, the Sunburst Superman and our returning WR’s, I guess House filled in those blanks for our opposition this season as well.

And of course teams that haven’t played us before, like in the playoffs, or have new coaching staffs, just call up Bobby in Missoula and ask for their most recent breakdown of the MSU offense. That all seems so simple!! You guys have this thing all figured out!

Now I am just trying to figure what coaches do with all those late night prep sessions. Maybe they are just converting from VHS to digital so they can use it for next year.

[TomCat88]

The consensus is that the plays are widely known anyway. Then why does Coach Vigen hold closed practices?

Opponents already have these plays on film and broken them down (even though its digital now), when a new season starts we have different personnel so there are adjustments due to those differences, weekly game plans are adjusted due to specific opponents personnel and schemes. No one want to give out that game plan right before a game, make them adjust in the game.

Random addition, it always interests me when modern technology still uses terms referring to old technology: ie film, and tape now refers to digital video, roll down your window is still used despite vehicles not having hand crank windows for over 30 years.

So with your explanation, in his illustration of the RPO, the assignments and player reads are already documented by our opposition. Based in your explanation, our opponent is simply just making adjustments for the new personnel each year. Given that House’s video features both Mellot and Chambers, the Alaskan Assassin, our returning O-line, the Sunburst Superman and our returning WR’s, I guess House filled in those blanks for our opposition this season as well.

And of course teams that haven’t played us before, like in the playoffs, or have new coaching staffs, just call up Bobby in Missoula and ask for their most recent breakdown of the MSU offense. That all seems so simple!! You guys have this thing all figured out!

Now I am just trying to figure what coaches do with all those late night prep sessions. Maybe they are just converting from VHS to digital so they can use it for next year.

The opposition has to adjust mid play to the decisions that the players make. The defense often knows exactly what the play is but they don’t know the decisions that the players are going to make. So there’s always a few 50-50 decisions that the defenders have to make. They still need to make the right decisions and they also need to make the tackle. MSU has numerous tackle-breaking players. MSU isn’t doing well just because of the system. It would do well running numerous offenses. But the opposition would know those as well.

You often hear coaches and players say “we knew what they were doing but we couldn’t stop it.”

[wbtfg]

Also, I think we're transitioning to the air raid offense this year.

[GeauxCats41]

There’s nothing house said in that webinar that made an opposing coach go “wow I had no idea”. Every team we play has 2 years worth of play calling film broken down by 2-3 GA’s into every possible down and distance and call.

Nobody will beat us this year because of that webinar.

[TomCat88]

Also, I think we're transitioning to the air raid offense this year.

All kidding aside, MSU’s offense is likely look significantly different. The quarterbacks will almost certainly throw more often. There were numerous times when QBs kept the ball when they should’ve thrown it. Also missed a number of open receivers, but that might’ve been a progression thing.