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I understand our offense has been and will continue to be predicated on a run heavy/power option but why can’t we be better in the passing game? Be more balanced! We seem to have the athletes this year but here we are at the bottom (2nd to last) of the Big Sky in passing!
MSU threw for 101 yards against OSU. In a 3 game simple size, that is hugely impactful.
Throw stats out for the preseason if comparing BSC schools to each other. The variation in competition level is so extreme that the stats become meaningless.
Almost every team in the BSC has played a Pac 12 team (the gris & Sac notwithstanding...Sac will play one this week) except Weber who beat a Utah State team that finished 11-3 last year.
MSU has had a VERY easy preseason compared to the rest of the conference so far...So its a little late to call the stats "meaningless".
I understand our offense has been and will continue to be predicated on a run heavy/power option but why can’t we be better in the passing game? Be more balanced! We seem to have the athletes this year but here we are at the bottom (2nd to last) of the Big Sky in passing!
MSU threw for 101 yards against OSU. In a 3 game simple size, that is hugely impactful.
Throw stats out for the preseason if comparing BSC schools to each other. The variation in competition level is so extreme that the stats become meaningless.
Almost every team in the BSC has played a Pac 12 team (the gris & Sac notwithstanding...Sac will play one this week) except Weber who beat a Utah State team that finished 11-3 last year.
MSU has had a VERY easy preseason compared to the rest of the conference so far...So its a little late to call the stats "meaningless".
Disagree. But you can base your assessment of the BSC teams off the preseason stats to your hearts content.
Egriz quote "...the BSC is the bubs world and everyone else is just living in it."
I understand our offense has been and will continue to be predicated on a run heavy/power option but why can’t we be better in the passing game? Be more balanced! We seem to have the athletes this year but here we are at the bottom (2nd to last) of the Big Sky in passing!
MSU threw for 101 yards against OSU. In a 3 game simple size, that is hugely impactful.
Throw stats out for the preseason if comparing BSC schools to each other. The variation in competition level is so extreme that the stats become meaningless.
Almost every team in the BSC has played a Pac 12 team (the gris & Sac notwithstanding...Sac will play one this week) except Weber who beat a Utah State team that finished 11-3 last year.
MSU has had a VERY easy preseason compared to the rest of the conference so far...So its a little late to call the stats "meaningless".
Disagree. But you can base your assessment of the BSC teams off the preseason stats to your hearts content.
You disagree that almost all of the BSC has played FBS teams?
Or you disagree that blanking a good team with 2 bad teams is somehow an outlier?
Anyway, total yards isn't a very useful stat for passing...at least for MSUs offense. MSU is going to have really low total passing yards. We had low passing total yards all last year & TM threw for very low passing yards in his 3 playoff starts. MSU was #12 out fo 13 teams for passing yards last season too.
Houses entire offensive philosophy is built around power run QB concepts with an occasional heave down the field. Only 1 team in the BSC has fewer passing attempts than MSU...and I'd be pretty shocked to see that change significantly over the season. I'd be surprised (not shocked) to see that change in any significant way through the rest of the season.
I think by now we have a pretty good idea about which teams are going to rack up yards in the air & which teams are going to ground & pound.
I understand our offense has been and will continue to be predicated on a run heavy/power option but why can’t we be better in the passing game? Be more balanced! We seem to have the athletes this year but here we are at the bottom (2nd to last) of the Big Sky in passing!
MSU threw for 101 yards against OSU. In a 3 game simple size, that is hugely impactful.
Throw stats out for the preseason if comparing BSC schools to each other. The variation in competition level is so extreme that the stats become meaningless.
Almost every team in the BSC has played a Pac 12 team (the gris & Sac notwithstanding...Sac will play one this week) except Weber who beat a Utah State team that finished 11-3 last year.
MSU has had a VERY easy preseason compared to the rest of the conference so far...So its a little late to call the stats "meaningless".
Disagree. But you can base your assessment of the BSC teams off the preseason stats to your hearts content.
You disagree that almost all of the BSC has played FBS teams?
Or you disagree that blanking a good team with 2 bad teams is somehow an outlier?
Anyway, total yards isn't a very useful stat for passing...at least for MSUs offense. MSU is going to have really low total passing yards. We had low passing total yards all last year & TM threw for very low passing yards in his 3 playoff starts. MSU was #12 out fo 13 teams for passing yards last season too.
Houses entire offensive philosophy is built around power run QB concepts with an occasional heave down the field. Only 1 team in the BSC has fewer passing attempts than MSU...and I'd be pretty shocked to see that change significantly over the season. I'd be surprised (not shocked) to see that change in any significant way through the rest of the season.
I think by now we have a pretty good idea about which teams are going to rack up yards in the air & which teams are going to ground & pound.
Wow, you read a ton into my 3 sentence post. And I know what MSU's offense was last year. Thanks for the reminder though.
We played a middling FCS team, a very bottom FCS team, and an top 30ish FBS team.
Cats rushing to passing yards were:
2:1 vs Mcneese
1:1 vs Morehead
1.7:1 vs OSU
In my eyes, using this sample set to make generalizations is akin taking an orange, a trout, and an elephant and making a generalization about life on earth.
Yes, MSU will continue to be a run heavy offense. I also hear Vigen continually say he wants more balance on offense and they need to continue incorporating TE's into the passing game.
So I'm not going to draw any conclusions on what this offense will be based on three OOC games.
Egriz quote "...the BSC is the bubs world and everyone else is just living in it."
What’s with the media backdrop? Other teams have ones that present a nice appearance, ours looks like a wrinkled bedsheet. Nitpicky I know, but image is important.
I nominate Victor Flores to ask a direct question on Monday: "Why didn't Elliot get a single carry until the final drive of the game?"
If he was hurt he shouldn't have been out there at all. If he was healthy, what's up?
Thanks Victor. I knew you were reading the gameday thread!
Not a fan of the explanation personally. It's not like we did nothing but pass, the ball was still being run, just not by an RB.
He does say that the QBs are the two best runners so they went with them. Essentially Elliot went into the season RB5, then RB1-RB4 are all out with injuries in the first two weeks and by the third game he becomes RB6 behind 2 QBs and 3 WRs.
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Ok, so we’re getting slapped around and instead of going to RB6-8 because he’s not good enough this year but was good enough last year to be a solid 3rd down RB, we’ll keep running ‘the franchise’ QB1 into a stone wall. It smells like ****** to me and it’s smelled like that since Gold Rush. The coaches hyped all 6 of the current RBs in the spring and fall camps, frequently! Peeeeeeeuuuuuwwww
Ok, so we’re getting slapped around and instead of going to RB6-8 because he’s not good enough this year but was good enough last year to be a solid 3rd down RB, we’ll keep running ‘the franchise’ QB1 into a stone wall. It smells like ****** to me and it’s smelled like that since Gold Rush. The coaches hyped all 6 of the current RBs in the spring and fall camps, frequently! Peeeeeeeuuuuuwwww
Between what coach said in yesterday's presser and at the QBC meeting I don't think we will see many meaningful snaps from Elliott the rest of the year. I would expect Elliott to transfer after this year. The jury is still out on Coon. He has not practiced in a while so maybe they are just waiting for him to get some practice reps under his belt but I am not sure about that.
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Ok, so we’re getting slapped around and instead of going to RB6-8 because he’s not good enough this year but was good enough last year to be a solid 3rd down RB, we’ll keep running ‘the franchise’ QB1 into a stone wall. It smells like ****** to me and it’s smelled like that since Gold Rush. The coaches hyped all 6 of the current RBs in the spring and fall camps, frequently! Peeeeeeeuuuuuwwww
Between what coach said in yesterday's presser and at the QBC meeting I don't think we will see many meaningful snaps from Elliott the rest of the year. I would expect Elliott to transfer after this year. The jury is still out on Coon. He has not practiced in a while so maybe they are just waiting for him to get some practice reps under his belt but I am not sure about that.
Maybe Elliot can pull a McKay before the conference slate begins.
I nominate Victor Flores to ask a direct question on Monday: "Why didn't Elliot get a single carry until the final drive of the game?"
If he was hurt he shouldn't have been out there at all. If he was healthy, what's up?
Thanks Victor. I knew you were reading the gameday thread!
Not a fan of the explanation personally. It's not like we did nothing but pass, the ball was still being run, just not by an RB.
Vigen's a bad liar. That was a bs explanation if I ever heard one. Maybe God only knows what's going on, but i'm starting to feel bad for Elliot and becoming less of a Vigen fan.
Why the Elliot fanboys? I haven't seen enough of him to know whether he should be getting carries. I assume the coaches know a helluva lot more than any on BN and they apparently don't think so.
Egriz quote "...the BSC is the bubs world and everyone else is just living in it."
I nominate Victor Flores to ask a direct question on Monday: "Why didn't Elliot get a single carry until the final drive of the game?"
If he was hurt he shouldn't have been out there at all. If he was healthy, what's up?
Thanks Victor. I knew you were reading the gameday thread!
Not a fan of the explanation personally. It's not like we did nothing but pass, the ball was still being run, just not by an RB.
Vigen's a bad liar. That was a bs explanation if I ever heard one. Maybe God only knows what's going on, but i'm starting to feel bad for Elliot and becoming less of a Vigen fan.
Would you rather he say, to the public, "elliot isn't very good and we don't trust him to carry the ball"? It's pretty clear the staff thinks he's not a better choice than Chambers, Tommy, clevan Thomas, Marqui etc in the zone scheme. I agree he's not very convincing with the argument but the alternative is to give a brutally honest declaration about a kid to the general public. Don't think that's going to play well inside the team. I would be fairly certain elliot has been told where he stands.
Why the Elliot fanboys? I haven't seen enough of him to know whether he should be getting carries. I assume the coaches know a helluva lot more than any on BN and they apparently don't think so.
I nominate Victor Flores to ask a direct question on Monday: "Why didn't Elliot get a single carry until the final drive of the game?"
If he was hurt he shouldn't have been out there at all. If he was healthy, what's up?
Thanks Victor. I knew you were reading the gameday thread!
Not a fan of the explanation personally. It's not like we did nothing but pass, the ball was still being run, just not by an RB.
Vigen's a bad liar. That was a bs explanation if I ever heard one. Maybe God only knows what's going on, but i'm starting to feel bad for Elliot and becoming less of a Vigen fan.
Would you rather he say, to the public, "elliot isn't very good and we don't trust him to carry the ball"? It's pretty clear the staff thinks he's not a better choice than Chambers, Tommy, clevan Thomas, Marqui etc in the zone scheme. I agree he's not very convincing with the argument but the alternative is to give a brutally honest declaration about a kid to the general public. Don't think that's going to play well inside the team. I would be fairly certain elliot has been told where he stands.
Elliott is a fine back, after watching this I'm 100% there's something else going on. I don't like being lied too, if there's an issue throw out the no comment, don't lie about. He gets asked the question and you can watch his wheels spin and try to figure out how he's going to spin it. Therefore I feel bad for Elliott, and have lost respect for Vigen... Which apparently isn't allowed now I'm a fan boy for pointing out a problem.
Why the Elliot fanboys? I haven't seen enough of him to know whether he should be getting carries. I assume the coaches know a helluva lot more than any on BN and they apparently don't think so.
The thoughts in your heads.... no one has said they know more than the coaches. Lots of people are asking WHY. Understand?
Why the Elliot fanboys? I haven't seen enough of him to know whether he should be getting carries. I assume the coaches know a helluva lot more than any on BN and they apparently don't think so.
The thoughts in your heads.... no one has said they know more than the coaches. Lots of people are asking WHY. Understand?
It's obvious you think Elliott should get more carries. The coaches #1 goal is to win. If you are right and giving Elliot more carries make the Cats better, then you do know something the coaches don't.
Egriz quote "...the BSC is the bubs world and everyone else is just living in it."
I nominate Victor Flores to ask a direct question on Monday: "Why didn't Elliot get a single carry until the final drive of the game?"
If he was hurt he shouldn't have been out there at all. If he was healthy, what's up?
Thanks Victor. I knew you were reading the gameday thread!
Not a fan of the explanation personally. It's not like we did nothing but pass, the ball was still being run, just not by an RB.
Vigen's a bad liar. That was a bs explanation if I ever heard one. Maybe God only knows what's going on, but i'm starting to feel bad for Elliot and becoming less of a Vigen fan.
Would you rather he say, to the public, "elliot isn't very good and we don't trust him to carry the ball"? It's pretty clear the staff thinks he's not a better choice than Chambers, Tommy, clevan Thomas, Marqui etc in the zone scheme. I agree he's not very convincing with the argument but the alternative is to give a brutally honest declaration about a kid to the general public. Don't think that's going to play well inside the team. I would be fairly certain elliot has been told where he stands.
Elliott is a fine back, after watching this I'm 100% there's something else going on. I don't like being lied too, if there's an issue throw out the no comment, don't lie about. He gets asked the question and you can watch his wheels spin and try to figure out how he's going to spin it. Therefore I feel bad for Elliott, and have lost respect for Vigen... Which apparently isn't allowed now I'm a fan boy for pointing out a problem.
The issue is you are speculating and reading into things. Maybe it's right, maybe it's not but losing respect for Vigen for this based on your perception of the situation is... a choice.
My biggest issue with not playing Elliot at OSU was we were down big and we continue to run with Mellott and have him take hits, what is the point when you are down 28 points? Just give it to anyone else.
It's clear the coaches don't want to use Elliot, and you aren't entitled to know the reasons why.
