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[onceacat]

Tommy is a great runner but still limited as a passer against very good teams.

Time for Chambers.

TD Beavers

What other very good teams was he a limited passer against?

All of his Wyoming games. If anyone watched any Wyoming football consistently over the last couple years, it’s clear he’s not a viable option as a passing QB

He was talking about Mellott I think. At least I was.

Yeah. Read that wrong. My bad.

But my point stands. Chambers isn’t the answer as a passer. It’s honestly amazing to think the last true passed we had was Prukop. That’s a problem.

Prukop wasn’t a better passer than Mellott. Mellott is a good passer and great all around QB.

Completely disagree with you there Tom.

Not saying Tommy can't get there, but right now I think it's pretty clear that Prukop has a leg up.

I got flack years ago for saying this, but Prukop wasn't that great of a true passer. At least not compared to guys like McGhee or Adams.

TM reminds me a ton of Prukop...but,yes, Prukop had a couple of legs up as a passer than TM. And I don't think its really even that close. (And, to be clear, I'm not down on either of them as QBs, both are great...but they are/were both pretty pedestrian as pure passers)

I’m guessing by pure passer you mean good motion/mechanics etc. I look at efficiency and effectiveness (such as how they pass in critical games and situations).

Yes. Both of them were incredibly efficient & effective. And both were pretty mediocre (for a Top tier FBS team) in terms of mechanics & accuracy. I mean, Troy was a unanimous 1st team All BSC QB and was downright terrible as a passer.

[catatac]

It's going to be a long year.... full of heartache.

I don't think so, but we'll see. I'm an optimist. Still saying 8-3 or 9-2. What do you think our regular season will be?

[Norsky19]

After watching the highlights, I think our offense is fine. O-line looked great. We moved the ball better than Boise State did against OSU. Our D-line got bullied. OSU's O-line looked huge compared to our D-line. So much time in the pocket. Impossible to defend if you can't pressure the QB.

[rivercat]

After watching the highlights, I think our offense is fine. O-line looked great. We moved the ball better than Boise State did against OSU. Our D-line got bullied. OSU's O-line looked huge compared to our D-line. So much time in the pocket. Impossible to defend if you can't pressure the QB.

Knowing we could not get pressure on their QB, the Cats gave the receivers big cushions so they didn't get beat deep. The result was a devastating intermediate passing game.

We won't face a team with that kind of o-line or receiver speed again this year. EWU will tell us where we are at.

[Montanabob]

It's going to be a long year.... full of heartache.

I don't think so, but we'll see. I'm an optimist. Still saying 8-3 or 9-2. What do you think our regular season will be?

10-1

[onceacat]

After watching the highlights, I think our offense is fine. O-line looked great. We moved the ball better than Boise State did against OSU. Our D-line got bullied. OSU's O-line looked huge compared to our D-line. So much time in the pocket. Impossible to defend if you can't pressure the QB.

Knowing we could not get pressure on their QB, the Cats gave the receivers big cushions so they didn't get beat deep. The result was a devastating intermediate passing game.

We won't face a team with that kind of o-line or receiver speed again this year. EWU will tell us where we are at.

I came into the season thinking that losing NFL talent at LB & DE would be largely mitigated by coaching, depth, scheme, experience, etc.

I think yesterday really blew a big hole in that thinking. Missing a rush end like Hardy really hurt in getting pressure & missing Troys speed really was a difference maker in a lot of those big gainers in the intermediate pass game for OSU.

Likewise, since the offense is really predicated on a power option game plus the occasional bomb to a wideout...losing McCutcheon as a deep threat on the 50-50 jump balls (really more like 80-20) really hurt.

I think the rest of the season will be just fine. But the loss of the top end talent at a couple key positions was pretty evident last night.

[luckyirishguy25]

It's going to be a long year.... full of heartache.

I don't think so, but we'll see. I'm an optimist. Still saying 8-3 or 9-2. What do you think our regular season will be?

10-1

I wish I could be an eternal optimist but our D.... it's just not very good. 8-3 would be a big win imo, I'm thinking more 7-4 bubble playoff team. We'll go, but only because we made the natty last year.

[ThoughtUKnew14]

I understand our offense has been and will continue to be predicated on a run heavy/power option but why can’t we be better in the passing game? Be more balanced! We seem to have the athletes this year but here we are at the bottom (2nd to last) of the Big Sky in passing!

[CelticCat]

I understand our offense has been and will continue to be predicated on a run heavy/power option but why can’t we be better in the passing game? Be more balanced! We seem to have the athletes this year but here we are at the bottom (2nd to last) of the Big Sky in passing!

Because at this point in his career, Tommy is just not a very good passing quarterback. He has a lot of work to do, but right now I think his throwing ability is closer to Chris Murray that it is a Big Sky all-conference type player.

[rivercat]

I understand our offense has been and will continue to be predicated on a run heavy/power option but why can’t we be better in the passing game? Be more balanced! We seem to have the athletes this year but here we are at the bottom (2nd to last) of the Big Sky in passing!

MSU threw for 101 yards against OSU. In a 3 game simple size, that is hugely impactful.

Throw stats out for the preseason if comparing BSC schools to each other. The variation in competition level is so extreme that the stats become meaningless.

[ThoughtUKnew14]

I understand our offense has been and will continue to be predicated on a run heavy/power option but why can’t we be better in the passing game? Be more balanced! We seem to have the athletes this year but here we are at the bottom (2nd to last) of the Big Sky in passing!

Because at this point in his career, Tommy is just not a very good passing quarterback. He has a lot of work to do, but right now I think his throwing ability is closer to Chris Murray that it is a Big Sky all-conference type player.

I agree with your assessment…I guess it really is that simple! Its a shame though because our WR Room is more talented from a balanced perspective than it has been in years.

[ThoughtUKnew14]

I understand our offense has been and will continue to be predicated on a run heavy/power option but why can’t we be better in the passing game? Be more balanced! We seem to have the athletes this year but here we are at the bottom (2nd to last) of the Big Sky in passing!

MSU threw for 101 yards against OSU. In a 3 game simple size, that is hugely impactful.

Throw stats out for the preseason if comparing BSC schools to each other. The variation in competition level is so extreme that the stats become meaningless.

I hear ya, but what about end of the year stats? Go back the past 5 years and see for yourself. We are always at the bottom of the BSC in terms of passing.

[GoldstoneCat]

It's going to be a long year.... full of heartache.

I don't think so, but we'll see. I'm an optimist. Still saying 8-3 or 9-2. What do you think our regular season will be?

10-1

I wish I could be an eternal optimist but our D.... it's just not very good. 8-3 would be a big win imo, I'm thinking more 7-4 bubble playoff team. We'll go, but only because we made the natty last year.

I don't think the D is as bad as Saturday looked. No way we're losing 3 conference games imo. We'll beat eastern, and am certain we'll win 1 of weber home, nau road, Montana home, more likely 2/3. 8-3, 9-2. We're a seed at 9-2. That's a win with the youth in this program.

[VimSince03]

I understand our offense has been and will continue to be predicated on a run heavy/power option but why can’t we be better in the passing game? Be more balanced! We seem to have the athletes this year but here we are at the bottom (2nd to last) of the Big Sky in passing!

Because at this point in his career, Tommy is just not a very good passing quarterback. He has a lot of work to do, but right now I think his throwing ability is closer to Chris Murray that it is a Big Sky all-conference type player.

I've seen Tommy make more throws in his 7 starts at QB than I saw Chris make during his entire stint as MSU's QB. Does this mean I think Tommy is already deserving of 1st Team All-Conference as a passer alone? No...absolutely not. Will he continue to grow and be an even better thrower by the end of this year as he gets more comfortable with his receivers and the offense? Yes 100%. You can already see signs of a more diverse passing offense as each game goes by.

[catatac]

I understand our offense has been and will continue to be predicated on a run heavy/power option but why can’t we be better in the passing game? Be more balanced! We seem to have the athletes this year but here we are at the bottom (2nd to last) of the Big Sky in passing!

Because at this point in his career, Tommy is just not a very good passing quarterback. He has a lot of work to do, but right now I think his throwing ability is closer to Chris Murray that it is a Big Sky all-conference type player.

I've seen Tommy make more throws in his 7 starts at QB than I saw Chris make during his entire stint as MSU's QB. Does this mean I think Tommy is already deserving of 1st Team All-Conference as a passer alone? No...absolutely not. Will he continue to grow and be an even better thrower by the end of this year as he gets more comfortable with his receivers and the offense? Yes 100%. You can already see signs of a more diverse passing offense as each game goes by.

Ya, I don't get all the "Tommy is not a good passer" talk, He threw a couple bad passes against the best team we'll see all year. Most of our miscues in the passing game Saturday night were not on Tommy.. Yes, a couple, but most were on the receivers, receivers running into each other, suspect play calling, etc. Knock on wood, Tommy stays healthy and let's talk about how is passing looks when we have a few Big Sky Games behind us.

[catatac]

It's going to be a long year.... full of heartache.

I don't think so, but we'll see. I'm an optimist. Still saying 8-3 or 9-2. What do you think our regular season will be?

10-1

I wish I could be an eternal optimist but our D.... it's just not very good. 8-3 would be a big win imo, I'm thinking more 7-4 bubble playoff team. We'll go, but only because we made the natty last year.

I'd be willing to bet our defensive stats will start looking very good from here on out, in terms of points given up, yards given up, and team wins. I'd be willing to put a bet down on that as well... perhaps a bottle of whiskey of choice?

[catatac]

It's going to be a long year.... full of heartache.

I don't think so, but we'll see. I'm an optimist. Still saying 8-3 or 9-2. What do you think our regular season will be?

10-1

I wish I could be an eternal optimist but our D.... it's just not very good. 8-3 would be a big win imo, I'm thinking more 7-4 bubble playoff team. We'll go, but only because we made the natty last year.

I'd be willing to bet our defensive stats will start looking very good from here on out, in terms of points given up, yards given up, and team wins. I'd be willing to put a bet down on that as well... perhaps a bottle of whiskey of choice?

Edit - I love how so many people rush to judgement after one game... against the best team we'll see all year (by far) that had a dominant OL that is probably levels better than the gold standard NDSU OL.

[kwcat]

All those fools hatin on Houseright show yourselves. Guy just engineered a Mona Lisa

Offensive genius!

We had 168 rushing yards (-2 by non QBs) and 3 rushing touchdowns without our top 4 RBs when the FBS opponent knew our injury and inexperienced QB situation. I think Housewright did ok under the circumstances.

My comment was more geared towards the Mona Lisa comment. However I tend to agree with the announcer who was an XOSU coach that OSU knew exactly what was coming the second drive when we went to the passing game. I also agree that we should’ve stayed on the ground and controlled the ball until OSU put extra people in the box to stop it. To paraphrase, the announcer was super surprised we didn’t stay on the ground with how we moved the ball.
I also know the condition of our backfield.
Tommy threw the three pics two of which I don’t think we’re probably his fault. Between that and special teams snafus they change the game quite a bit.
So far I am not a fan of Housewright and his play calling or his conduct in the one glaring interview. However I wish nothing for the best as a fan that he grows and gets better. As I have said before some of these things I think of as mistakes may not be his decision either. Have not yet made up my mind there.
Those are just my armchair two cents worth.
Lifelong Bobcat fan and will remain so.
Go Cats!

[luckyirishguy25]

It's going to be a long year.... full of heartache.

I don't think so, but we'll see. I'm an optimist. Still saying 8-3 or 9-2. What do you think our regular season will be?

10-1

I wish I could be an eternal optimist but our D.... it's just not very good. 8-3 would be a big win imo, I'm thinking more 7-4 bubble playoff team. We'll go, but only because we made the natty last year.

I'd be willing to bet our defensive stats will start looking very good from here on out, in terms of points given up, yards given up, and team wins. I'd be willing to put a bet down on that as well... perhaps a bottle of whiskey of choice?

Edit - I love how so many people rush to judgement after one game... against the best team we'll see all year (by far) that had a dominant OL that is probably levels better than the gold standard NDSU OL.

undoubtedly our D will improve, that was our toughest defensive game of the year. However, I have had concerns about the Defense since game 1. I wouldn't bet you on our D improving, it better or we're going really off the rails. I'd do a friendly bet with you on our final record though, 8-3 or better you win, 7-4 or worse I win. I don't drink whiskey, I'm more of a Wino but I'd put up for a $50 towards your bottle and vice versa.

[catatac]

It's going to be a long year.... full of heartache.

I don't think so, but we'll see. I'm an optimist. Still saying 8-3 or 9-2. What do you think our regular season will be?

10-1

I wish I could be an eternal optimist but our D.... it's just not very good. 8-3 would be a big win imo, I'm thinking more 7-4 bubble playoff team. We'll go, but only because we made the natty last year.

I'd be willing to bet our defensive stats will start looking very good from here on out, in terms of points given up, yards given up, and team wins. I'd be willing to put a bet down on that as well... perhaps a bottle of whiskey of choice?

Edit - I love how so many people rush to judgement after one game... against the best team we'll see all year (by far) that had a dominant OL that is probably levels better than the gold standard NDSU OL.

undoubtedly our D will improve, that was our toughest defensive game of the year. However, I have had concerns about the Defense since game 1. I wouldn't bet you on our D improving, it better or we're going really off the rails. I'd do a friendly bet with you on our final record though, 8-3 or better you win, 7-4 or worse I win. I don't drink whiskey, I'm more of a Wino but I'd put up for a $50 towards your bottle and vice versa.

Ok, you’re on! I’ve blown $50 on dumber bets than that, lol. Will take this to PM.