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[coloradocat]

I nominate Victor Flores to ask a direct question on Monday: "Why didn't Elliot get a single carry until the final drive of the game?"

If he was hurt he shouldn't have been out there at all. If he was healthy, what's up?

[TomCat88]

Tommy is a great runner but still limited as a passer against very good teams.

Time for Chambers.

TD Beavers

What other very good teams was he a limited passer against?

All of his Wyoming games. If anyone watched any Wyoming football consistently over the last couple years, it’s clear he’s not a viable option as a passing QB

He was talking about Mellott I think. At least I was.

Yeah. Read that wrong. My bad.

But my point stands. Chambers isn’t the answer as a passer. It’s honestly amazing to think the last true passed we had was Prukop. That’s a problem.

Prukop wasn’t a better passer than Mellott. Mellott is a good passer and great all around QB.

Completely disagree with you there Tom.

Not saying Tommy can't get there, but right now I think it's pretty clear that Prukop has a leg up.

They’re pretty even in terms of passing the ball, statistically. Mellott is a better overall QB.

The best team I recall Prukop playing against was Arkansas St.

Prukop was 14-26-2, 142 yards, 0 TDs vs Arkansas St.
Mellott 9-18-3, 101, 0 vs Oregon St.

[Colter_Nuanez]

Montana State press conference: Vigen, Mellott, Woodard following 68-28 loss to Oregon State
https://skylinesportsmt.com/montana-sta ... gon-state/

Sorry about the sound....hard to mitigate the band....

[TomCat88]

I nominate Victor Flores to ask a direct question on Monday: "Why didn't Elliot get a single carry until the final drive of the game?"

If he was hurt he shouldn't have been out there at all. If he was healthy, what's up?

That’s an interesting takeaway for that interview. A question that should be asked, but I think Vigen was pretty direct and on point with everything he said.

[tetoncat]

NDSU down at half against an Arizona team that is not nearly as good as OSU. Ndsu doesn't have speed at wr they have had, still powerful line but I think OSU beats them by 21

[CatBlitz]

Tommy is a great runner but still limited as a passer against very good teams.

Time for Chambers.

TD Beavers

What other very good teams was he a limited passer against?

All of his Wyoming games. If anyone watched any Wyoming football consistently over the last couple years, it’s clear he’s not a viable option as a passing QB

He was talking about Mellott I think. At least I was.

Yeah. Read that wrong. My bad.

But my point stands. Chambers isn’t the answer as a passer. It’s honestly amazing to think the last true passed we had was Prukop. That’s a problem.

Prukop wasn’t a better passer than Mellott. Mellott is a good passer and great all around QB.

Completely disagree with you there Tom.

Not saying Tommy can't get there, but right now I think it's pretty clear that Prukop has a leg up.

They’re pretty even in terms of passing the ball, statistically. Mellott is a better overall QB.

The best team I recall Prukop playing against was Arkansas St.

Prukop was 14-26-2, 142 yards, 0 TDs vs Arkansas St.
Mellott 9-18-3, 101, 0 vs Oregon St.

Are you just talking about FBS games or overall QB ability?

[Joe Bobcat]

I wouldn't be too worried. We're out matched at the skill position level, but we played pretty well imo.

I didn’t watch our listen to the game, but wow, your blue and gold glasses need some cleaning, this was a dismantling of a 4th ranked FCS team by a middle of the road PAC 12 team. This should not have ever happened. Maybe coaching, maybe, scheme, maybe under developed players…but I would lay this at the feet of Garza and Vigen…but mainly Garza!

I'm known for being overly optimistic and unrealistic around here.

If you didn't watch it, I don't see how you can have much of an opinion. The people blaming this all on Garza, quite frankly, are similar to those who thought Housewright was awful last year. Know nothing blowhards without an ounce of football knowledge to them. The game we played tonight, we beat 90% of FCS teams with, at minimum.

Haha, “68 says Carnack”! If you ever played the game you’d understand my consternation. One thing is clear without ever watching the game, our D was smoked…why? Anyway…continue on.

We played better than we did against NDSU with less talent on the roster. Tommy often looked like the best player on the field. The OL was fantastic. The DL was solid until they just ran out of gas. We couldn't compete with their skill positions, but that won't be a problem we face in the rest of the schedule for the most part. I saw some issues and problems of course, but nothing egregiously bad. I'm welcome to your opinion on what you saw... Oh that's right, you only saw the box score.

I agree with most of that...except that the rest of the schedule includes a Griz team that is equipped to do the same thing and presumably a playoff game against NDSU. Who will also expose the same set of issues.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your post, but if you just said that the griz are equipped to throw the ball on our defense like Oregon State just did, then ya I'm gonna disagree with you on that...

I won't say the griss passing game is on parr with beaver passing but it is good and will be a challenge to defend.

[coloradocat]

I nominate Victor Flores to ask a direct question on Monday: "Why didn't Elliot get a single carry until the final drive of the game?"

If he was hurt he shouldn't have been out there at all. If he was healthy, what's up?

That’s an interesting takeaway for that interview. A question that should be asked, but I think Vigen was pretty direct and on point with everything he said.

I don't think it needed to be asked postgame but I think it should be asked on Monday once everyone has had a chance to digest the game. I just posted it there because it was fresh in my mind. The question isn't going away so it should be asked and answered.

Edit: My main takeaway was that on-field postgame interviews suck. Even right outside the locker room is better.

[TomCat88]

Tommy is a great runner but still limited as a passer against very good teams.

Time for Chambers.

TD Beavers

What other very good teams was he a limited passer against?

All of his Wyoming games. If anyone watched any Wyoming football consistently over the last couple years, it’s clear he’s not a viable option as a passing QB

He was talking about Mellott I think. At least I was.

Yeah. Read that wrong. My bad.

But my point stands. Chambers isn’t the answer as a passer. It’s honestly amazing to think the last true passed we had was Prukop. That’s a problem.

Prukop wasn’t a better passer than Mellott. Mellott is a good passer and great all around QB.

Completely disagree with you there Tom.

Not saying Tommy can't get there, but right now I think it's pretty clear that Prukop has a leg up.

They’re pretty even in terms of passing the ball, statistically. Mellott is a better overall QB.

The best team I recall Prukop playing against was Arkansas St.

Prukop was 14-26-2, 142 yards, 0 TDs vs Arkansas St.
Mellott 9-18-3, 101, 0 vs Oregon St.

Are you just talking about FBS games or overall QB ability?

Overall (passing, running, vision, football IQ) abilities. Mellott is way better at making plays in key moments in big games. He’s a better QB overall mainly because of that. They’re similar statistically.

This was Mellott’s worst game, so I compared it to prukop’s worst game. Similar considering osu is much better than that Arkansas St team.

[Joe Bobcat]

Props to coach Vigen's post-game interview. He understands clearly all of what this performance and loss means to the team and season and is prepared to move forward and use this as a teaching opportunity. If this team has the culture and attitude that I think they have, they will go into the EWU game with a vengeance and agenda to show that they are better than what they showed tonight. Let us hope and pray, Amen

[Joe Bobcat]

I was only able to listen to the game so don't have any visual of it . I must say I can't recall hearing Taco Dowler's name and didn't hear Garret Coons name and I've been patient on hearing Elijah Elliott getting the hand off and a chance to run with it but My patience has run out. I want to know why he isn't getting a chance to run the rock.

[083190]

With the carries he has had, he hasn't shown any juice.

[rivercat]

I was only able to listen to the game so don't have any visual of it . I must say I can't recall hearing Taco Dowler's name and didn't hear Garret Coons name and I've been patient on hearing Elijah Elliott getting the hand off and a chance to run with it but My patience has run out. I want to know why he isn't getting a chance to run the rock.

You sound entitled. I suggest you join the QB Club and ask the coach directly because you deserve answers!

[BelligerentBobcat]

I was only able to listen to the game so don't have any visual of it . I must say I can't recall hearing Taco Dowler's name and didn't hear Garret Coons name and I've been patient on hearing Elijah Elliott getting the hand off and a chance to run with it but My patience has run out. I want to know why he isn't getting a chance to run the rock.

Two logical options:

1) He's the 5th string back and just isn't good enough to get carries against that caliber team.

2) They just don't trust him and he's only playing bc there are no other options.

[Joe Bobcat]

I was only able to listen to the game so don't have any visual of it . I must say I can't recall hearing Taco Dowler's name and didn't hear Garret Coons name and I've been patient on hearing Elijah Elliott getting the hand off and a chance to run with it but My patience has run out. I want to know why he isn't getting a chance to run the rock.

You sound entitled. I suggest you join the QB Club and ask the coach directly because you deserve answers!

Your hearing and interpretation are horrible but you're entitled to your opinion all the same.

[CatBlitz]

What other very good teams was he a limited passer against?

All of his Wyoming games. If anyone watched any Wyoming football consistently over the last couple years, it’s clear he’s not a viable option as a passing QB

He was talking about Mellott I think. At least I was.

Yeah. Read that wrong. My bad.

But my point stands. Chambers isn’t the answer as a passer. It’s honestly amazing to think the last true passed we had was Prukop. That’s a problem.

Prukop wasn’t a better passer than Mellott. Mellott is a good passer and great all around QB.

Completely disagree with you there Tom.

Not saying Tommy can't get there, but right now I think it's pretty clear that Prukop has a leg up.

They’re pretty even in terms of passing the ball, statistically. Mellott is a better overall QB.

The best team I recall Prukop playing against was Arkansas St.

Prukop was 14-26-2, 142 yards, 0 TDs vs Arkansas St.
Mellott 9-18-3, 101, 0 vs Oregon St.

Are you just talking about FBS games or overall QB ability?

Overall (passing, running, vision, football IQ) abilities. Mellott is way better at making plays in key moments in big games. He’s a better QB overall mainly because of that. They’re similar statistically.

Agree to disagree at this point.
Again, not saying Tommy isn't good. I think he's very capable and is a very good QB.
So don't hear what I'm not saying, BN. I just think it's a little premature.

Let's revisit this at the end of the season.

[CatBlitz]

I was only able to listen to the game so don't have any visual of it . I must say I can't recall hearing Taco Dowler's name and didn't hear Garret Coons name and I've been patient on hearing Elijah Elliott getting the hand off and a chance to run with it but My patience has run out. I want to know why he isn't getting a chance to run the rock.

Two logical options:

1) He's the 5th string back and just isn't good enough to get carries against that caliber team.

2) They just don't trust him and he's only playing bc there are no other options.

But he's not even playing... lol

Had 2 carries. But that really isn't "playing" given the circumstances.

[CatBlitz]

Props to coach Vigen's post-game interview. He understands clearly all of what this performance and loss means to the team and season and is prepared to move forward and use this as a teaching opportunity. If this team has the culture and attitude that I think they have, they will go into the EWU game with a vengeance and agenda to show that they are better than what they showed tonight. Let us hope and pray, Amen

Vigen is a great coach. This game doesn't reflect the team's talent and abilities. I expect a huge turnaround next week.

[Colter_Nuanez]

“Own it. Own this game, own our performance, own our preparation and we can’t lose to this team more than once. We lost to them tonight. We can’t let this linger.”

Oregon State never punts in ripping Montana State 68-28 in Portland

https://skylinesportsmt.com/oregon-stat ... -portland/

[Cat Grad]

I was only able to listen to the game so don't have any visual of it . I must say I can't recall hearing Taco Dowler's name and didn't hear Garret Coons name and I've been patient on hearing Elijah Elliott getting the hand off and a chance to run with it but My patience has run out. I want to know why he isn't getting a chance to run the rock.

Two logical options:

1) He's the 5th string back and just isn't good enough to get carries against that caliber team.

2) They just don't trust him and he's only playing bc there are no other options.

So far tonight Eleven kids have run the ball for NDSU. Depth. Really critical to have depth.