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[BleedingBLue]

I wouldn't be too worried. We're out matched at the skill position level, but we played pretty well imo.

I didn’t watch our listen to the game, but wow, your blue and gold glasses need some cleaning, this was a dismantling of a 4th ranked FCS team by a middle of the road PAC 12 team. This should not have ever happened. Maybe coaching, maybe, scheme, maybe under developed players…but I would lay this at the feet of Garza and Vigen…but mainly Garza!

I'm known for being overly optimistic and unrealistic around here.

If you didn't watch it, I don't see how you can have much of an opinion. The people blaming this all on Garza, quite frankly, are similar to those who thought Housewright was awful last year. Know nothing blowhards without an ounce of football knowledge to them. The game we played tonight, we beat 90% of FCS teams with, at minimum.

This is funny. You are funny. Nobody is putting this all on Garza, however he refused to adjust all game. We would not have given up 68 with Banks at DC. We still lose and give up points sure but not that many. It's that simple.

And Housewright still outhinks himself plenty. Why after a successful drive running the ball down OSUs throat do we throw a long bomb the 1st play of the next drive? If you want to take that shot get into a position where an incompletion doesn't put you behind the chains. Like 2 and short or a 3rd and 1 where you know you're going on 4th down.

[91catAlum]

I don't think we know any more than we knew three weeks ago. Is that a failure of the coaching staff, a failure of Tommy or just an unfortunate schedule?

Probably more the schedule than the prior 2, but one thing you could see both against mcneese and tonight, not as much against mhsu, is that he has a tendency to not fully trust himself and aim, or guide the ball a bit instead of letting it rip. He's an elite runner, though, that was clear tonight.

He throws floaters instead of darts, regardless of the distance. That's fine as long as the receiver is in the perfect position. If not, it's an interception.

Yeah i think that's right, actually, hadn't thought of it exactly as a floater but yes i think you're right.

Lance masked this a lot last season...

So did getting hurt early against NDSU. The legend of Touchdown Tommy remained intact because he wasn't exploited by them.

We just gave up 68 points without forcing a punt, and you guys are beating up on the QB...

Tommy threw 3 picks tonight, which is bad. But the offense moved the ball decently well, considering we were playing an FBS school and we had no RBs.
Tommy and the offense are gonna be just fine this year. The defense, on the other hand, certainly has some issues.

This had 0 to do with the offense and everything to do with a defense that looked completely lost most of the game. Definitely some bad passes today though, Tommy will learn.

I wouldn't say 0 to do with offense, I mean it was a 21-14 game when Mellott threw 2 picks in a row to blow the game open...
But it's 90% on the defense, who couldn't get a stop all night long. Really disheartening to see the D get shredded like that.

I'm going to pick on you because it's the most recent post, but I've seen a lot of people posting about Tommy and the 3 picks. 2/3 are on the WR's. #16 saw the ball and didn't fight for it at all, Patterson got the read wrong on the 2nd one (there's a chance Tommy got the read wrong there, but I'm pretty doubtful about it).

I'm the one who has been saying this loss isn’t on the offense or Tommy. It was mostly on the defense who gave up 68 points and didn't force a single punt.

It's pretty difficult to know for sure whose fault the picks were. Certainly it's not all on Tommy. But the fact is, the turnovers are what blew this game open. We were basically keeping pace with them at 21-14 until the 2 picks in the 2nd quarter.
And without the 3 turnovers, this wouldn't have been a 40 point loss.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I wouldn't be too worried. We're out matched at the skill position level, but we played pretty well imo.

I didn’t watch our listen to the game, but wow, your blue and gold glasses need some cleaning, this was a dismantling of a 4th ranked FCS team by a middle of the road PAC 12 team. This should not have ever happened. Maybe coaching, maybe, scheme, maybe under developed players…but I would lay this at the feet of Garza and Vigen…but mainly Garza!

I'm known for being overly optimistic and unrealistic around here.

If you didn't watch it, I don't see how you can have much of an opinion. The people blaming this all on Garza, quite frankly, are similar to those who thought Housewright was awful last year. Know nothing blowhards without an ounce of football knowledge to them. The game we played tonight, we beat 90% of FCS teams with, at minimum.

Haha, “68 says Carnack”! If you ever played the game you’d understand my consternation. One thing is clear without ever watching the game, our D was smoked…why? Anyway…continue on.

We played better than we did against NDSU with less talent on the roster. Tommy often looked like the best player on the field. The OL was fantastic. The DL was solid until they just ran out of gas. We couldn't compete with their skill positions, but that won't be a problem we face in the rest of the schedule for the most part. I saw some issues and problems of course, but nothing egregiously bad. I'm welcome to your opinion on what you saw... Oh that's right, you only saw the box score.

[coloradocat]

Next week we'll find out who this team really is. At this point we have to assume we have no RB room so how does our offense handle that in-conference. Troy's not walking through that door so our defense is going to have to prove they can stop big plays and remember how to tackle.

If we can score 21 points on offense against a good FBS team we should be able to double that against EWU (even with them coming off a bye at home). For all the faults we can find in our defense tonight, they won't face a team like this again. They should be able to hold a questionable EWU team under 30. If they do, we're fine. If they don't we might struggle against everyone in the top half of the conference.

[technoCat]

Probably more the schedule than the prior 2, but one thing you could see both against mcneese and tonight, not as much against mhsu, is that he has a tendency to not fully trust himself and aim, or guide the ball a bit instead of letting it rip. He's an elite runner, though, that was clear tonight.

He throws floaters instead of darts, regardless of the distance. That's fine as long as the receiver is in the perfect position. If not, it's an interception.

Yeah i think that's right, actually, hadn't thought of it exactly as a floater but yes i think you're right.

Lance masked this a lot last season...

So did getting hurt early against NDSU. The legend of Touchdown Tommy remained intact because he wasn't exploited by them.

We just gave up 68 points without forcing a punt, and you guys are beating up on the QB...

Tommy threw 3 picks tonight, which is bad. But the offense moved the ball decently well, considering we were playing an FBS school and we had no RBs.
Tommy and the offense are gonna be just fine this year. The defense, on the other hand, certainly has some issues.

This had 0 to do with the offense and everything to do with a defense that looked completely lost most of the game. Definitely some bad passes today though, Tommy will learn.

I wouldn't say 0 to do with offense, I mean it was a 21-14 game when Mellott threw 2 picks in a row to blow the game open...
But it's 90% on the defense, who couldn't get a stop all night long. Really disheartening to see the D get shredded like that.

I'm going to pick on you because it's the most recent post, but I've seen a lot of people posting about Tommy and the 3 picks. 2/3 are on the WR's. #16 saw the ball and didn't fight for it at all, Patterson got the read wrong on the 2nd one (there's a chance Tommy got the read wrong there, but I'm pretty doubtful about it).

I'm the one who has been saying this loss isn’t on the offense or Tommy. It was mostly on the defense who gave up 68 points and didn't force a single punt.

It's pretty difficult to know for sure whose fault the picks were. Certainly it's not all on Tommy. But the fact is, the turnovers are what blew this game open. We were basically keeping pace with them at 21-14 until the 2 picks in the 2nd quarter.
And without the 3 turnovers, this wouldn't have been a 40 point loss.

I think the first one is on Tommy because he stared him down and gave the safety time to react. The second could go either way. The third one looked like our WRs ran into each other so I think someone ran the wrong route.

[TomCat88]

Next week we'll find out who this team really is. At this point we have to assume we have no RB room so how does our offense handle that in-conference. Troy's not walking through that door so our defense is going to have to prove they can stop big plays and remember how to tackle.

If we can score 21 points on offense against a good FBS team we should be able to double that against EWU (even with them coming off a bye at home). For all the faults we can find in our defense tonight, they won't face a team like this again. They should be able to hold a questionable EWU team under 30. If they do, we're fine. If they don't we might struggle against everyone in the top half of the conference.

Everyone in the top half of the conference should struggle against each other. They won’t, because that’s just how it goes, but they should.

[onceacat]

I wouldn't be too worried. We're out matched at the skill position level, but we played pretty well imo.

I didn’t watch our listen to the game, but wow, your blue and gold glasses need some cleaning, this was a dismantling of a 4th ranked FCS team by a middle of the road PAC 12 team. This should not have ever happened. Maybe coaching, maybe, scheme, maybe under developed players…but I would lay this at the feet of Garza and Vigen…but mainly Garza!

I'm known for being overly optimistic and unrealistic around here.

If you didn't watch it, I don't see how you can have much of an opinion. The people blaming this all on Garza, quite frankly, are similar to those who thought Housewright was awful last year. Know nothing blowhards without an ounce of football knowledge to them. The game we played tonight, we beat 90% of FCS teams with, at minimum.

Haha, “68 says Carnack”! If you ever played the game you’d understand my consternation. One thing is clear without ever watching the game, our D was smoked…why? Anyway…continue on.

We played better than we did against NDSU with less talent on the roster. Tommy often looked like the best player on the field. The OL was fantastic. The DL was solid until they just ran out of gas. We couldn't compete with their skill positions, but that won't be a problem we face in the rest of the schedule for the most part. I saw some issues and problems of course, but nothing egregiously bad. I'm welcome to your opinion on what you saw... Oh that's right, you only saw the box score.

I agree with most of that...except that the rest of the schedule includes a Griz team that is equipped to do the same thing and presumably a playoff game against NDSU. Who will also expose the same set of issues.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I wouldn't be too worried. We're out matched at the skill position level, but we played pretty well imo.

I didn’t watch our listen to the game, but wow, your blue and gold glasses need some cleaning, this was a dismantling of a 4th ranked FCS team by a middle of the road PAC 12 team. This should not have ever happened. Maybe coaching, maybe, scheme, maybe under developed players…but I would lay this at the feet of Garza and Vigen…but mainly Garza!

I'm known for being overly optimistic and unrealistic around here.

If you didn't watch it, I don't see how you can have much of an opinion. The people blaming this all on Garza, quite frankly, are similar to those who thought Housewright was awful last year. Know nothing blowhards without an ounce of football knowledge to them. The game we played tonight, we beat 90% of FCS teams with, at minimum.

This is funny. You are funny. Nobody is putting this all on Garza, however he refused to adjust all game. We would not have given up 68 with Banks at DC. We still lose and give up points sure but not that many. It's that simple.

And Housewright still outhinks himself plenty. Why after a successful drive running the ball down OSUs throat do we throw a long bomb the 1st play of the next drive? If you want to take that shot get into a position where an incompletion doesn't put you behind the chains. Like 2 and short or a 3rd and 1 where you know you're going on 4th down.

Banks had better players to work with. We played a lot of zone, tried to blitz to get pressure, it didn't work. We don't have the horses to play man to man against those guys. I'm not sure what you think would have worked when our secondary was completely outclassed and we couldn't get much for pressure on them. There isn't a scheme to fix that.

Regarding Housewright, he dialed up a gameplan that scored 21 points against a good Pac-12 team despite essentially having no running backs and 3 turnovers. He did a very good job.

[coloradocat]

[TomCat88]

He throws floaters instead of darts, regardless of the distance. That's fine as long as the receiver is in the perfect position. If not, it's an interception.

Yeah i think that's right, actually, hadn't thought of it exactly as a floater but yes i think you're right.

Lance masked this a lot last season...

So did getting hurt early against NDSU. The legend of Touchdown Tommy remained intact because he wasn't exploited by them.

We just gave up 68 points without forcing a punt, and you guys are beating up on the QB...

Tommy threw 3 picks tonight, which is bad. But the offense moved the ball decently well, considering we were playing an FBS school and we had no RBs.
Tommy and the offense are gonna be just fine this year. The defense, on the other hand, certainly has some issues.

This had 0 to do with the offense and everything to do with a defense that looked completely lost most of the game. Definitely some bad passes today though, Tommy will learn.

I wouldn't say 0 to do with offense, I mean it was a 21-14 game when Mellott threw 2 picks in a row to blow the game open...
But it's 90% on the defense, who couldn't get a stop all night long. Really disheartening to see the D get shredded like that.

I'm going to pick on you because it's the most recent post, but I've seen a lot of people posting about Tommy and the 3 picks. 2/3 are on the WR's. #16 saw the ball and didn't fight for it at all, Patterson got the read wrong on the 2nd one (there's a chance Tommy got the read wrong there, but I'm pretty doubtful about it).

I'm the one who has been saying this loss isn’t on the offense or Tommy. It was mostly on the defense who gave up 68 points and didn't force a single punt.

It's pretty difficult to know for sure whose fault the picks were. Certainly it's not all on Tommy. But the fact is, the turnovers are what blew this game open. We were basically keeping pace with them at 21-14 until the 2 picks in the 2nd quarter.
And without the 3 turnovers, this wouldn't have been a 40 point loss.

I think the first one is on Tommy because he stared him down and gave the safety time to react. The second could go either way. The third one looked like our WRs ran into each other so I think someone ran the wrong route.

I got this: if two receivers run into each, then someone definitely ran the wrong route.

[rivercat]

Next week we'll find out who this team really is. At this point we have to assume we have no RB room so how does our offense handle that in-conference. Troy's not walking through that door so our defense is going to have to prove they can stop big plays and remember how to tackle.

If we can score 21 points on offense against a good FBS team we should be able to double that against EWU (even with them coming off a bye at home). For all the faults we can find in our defense tonight, they won't face a team like this again. They should be able to hold a questionable EWU team under 30. If they do, we're fine. If they don't we might struggle against everyone in the top half of the conference.

Good post

[BelligerentBobcat]

I wouldn't be too worried. We're out matched at the skill position level, but we played pretty well imo.

I didn’t watch our listen to the game, but wow, your blue and gold glasses need some cleaning, this was a dismantling of a 4th ranked FCS team by a middle of the road PAC 12 team. This should not have ever happened. Maybe coaching, maybe, scheme, maybe under developed players…but I would lay this at the feet of Garza and Vigen…but mainly Garza!

I'm known for being overly optimistic and unrealistic around here.

If you didn't watch it, I don't see how you can have much of an opinion. The people blaming this all on Garza, quite frankly, are similar to those who thought Housewright was awful last year. Know nothing blowhards without an ounce of football knowledge to them. The game we played tonight, we beat 90% of FCS teams with, at minimum.

Haha, “68 says Carnack”! If you ever played the game you’d understand my consternation. One thing is clear without ever watching the game, our D was smoked…why? Anyway…continue on.

We played better than we did against NDSU with less talent on the roster. Tommy often looked like the best player on the field. The OL was fantastic. The DL was solid until they just ran out of gas. We couldn't compete with their skill positions, but that won't be a problem we face in the rest of the schedule for the most part. I saw some issues and problems of course, but nothing egregiously bad. I'm welcome to your opinion on what you saw... Oh that's right, you only saw the box score.

I agree with most of that...except that the rest of the schedule includes a Griz team that is equipped to do the same thing and presumably a playoff game against NDSU. Who will also expose the same set of issues.

The Gris are a good team, but we can beat them. Just have to know your hot reads. I'm more confident than ever that we can run on them.

We don't have the talent to beat NDSU. They're going to expose a lot of issues for every team they play. I'd expect a 30 point spread against them too.

[nevadacat]

Probably more the schedule than the prior 2, but one thing you could see both against mcneese and tonight, not as much against mhsu, is that he has a tendency to not fully trust himself and aim, or guide the ball a bit instead of letting it rip. He's an elite runner, though, that was clear tonight.

He throws floaters instead of darts, regardless of the distance. That's fine as long as the receiver is in the perfect position. If not, it's an interception.

Yeah i think that's right, actually, hadn't thought of it exactly as a floater but yes i think you're right.

Lance masked this a lot last season...

So did getting hurt early against NDSU. The legend of Touchdown Tommy remained intact because he wasn't exploited by them.

We just gave up 68 points without forcing a punt, and you guys are beating up on the QB...

Tommy threw 3 picks tonight, which is bad. But the offense moved the ball decently well, considering we were playing an FBS school and we had no RBs.
Tommy and the offense are gonna be just fine this year. The defense, on the other hand, certainly has some issues.

This had 0 to do with the offense and everything to do with a defense that looked completely lost most of the game. Definitely some bad passes today though, Tommy will learn.

I wouldn't say 0 to do with offense, I mean it was a 21-14 game when Mellott threw 2 picks in a row to blow the game open...
But it's 90% on the defense, who couldn't get a stop all night long. Really disheartening to see the D get shredded like that.

I'm going to pick on you because it's the most recent post, but I've seen a lot of people posting about Tommy and the 3 picks. 2/3 are on the WR's. #16 saw the ball and didn't fight for it at all, Patterson got the read wrong on the 2nd one (there's a chance Tommy got the read wrong there, but I'm pretty doubtful about it).

I'm the one who has been saying this loss isn’t on the offense or Tommy. It was mostly on the defense who gave up 68 points and didn't force a single punt.

It's pretty difficult to know for sure whose fault the picks were. Certainly it's not all on Tommy. But the fact is, the turnovers are what blew this game open. We were basically keeping pace with them at 21-14 until the 2 picks in the 2nd quarter.
And without the 3 turnovers, this wouldn't have been a 40 point loss.

The first pick looked underthrown. The second looked like a bad route where Tommy was expecting the route to be broken off or a comeback, and the receiver just kept running. I didn’t see the last, but Davies on radio said it looked like Snell ran the wrong route and messed up Patterson’s.

As far as being closer were there no picks, the D only stopped them once at the end of the 1st half. We’d have to have scored at least once on those three drives, because there is scant evidence the Beavs wouldn’t have scored if we punted instead of throwing a pick.

[coloradocat]

Next week we'll find out who this team really is. At this point we have to assume we have no RB room so how does our offense handle that in-conference. Troy's not walking through that door so our defense is going to have to prove they can stop big plays and remember how to tackle.

If we can score 21 points on offense against a good FBS team we should be able to double that against EWU (even with them coming off a bye at home). For all the faults we can find in our defense tonight, they won't face a team like this again. They should be able to hold a questionable EWU team under 30. If they do, we're fine. If they don't we might struggle against everyone in the top half of the conference.

Everyone in the top half of the conference should struggle against each other. They won’t, because that’s just how it goes, but they should.

That's not what I meant but I think you knew that.

[CatBlitz]

Tommy is a great runner but still limited as a passer against very good teams.

Time for Chambers.

TD Beavers

What other very good teams was he a limited passer against?

All of his Wyoming games. If anyone watched any Wyoming football consistently over the last couple years, it’s clear he’s not a viable option as a passing QB

He was talking about Mellott I think. At least I was.

Yeah. Read that wrong. My bad.

But my point stands. Chambers isn’t the answer as a passer. It’s honestly amazing to think the last true passed we had was Prukop. That’s a problem.

Prukop wasn’t a better passer than Mellott. Mellott is a good passer and great all around QB.

Completely disagree with you there Tom.

Not saying Tommy can't get there, but right now I think it's pretty clear that Prukop has a leg up.

[BleedingBLue]

I wouldn't be too worried. We're out matched at the skill position level, but we played pretty well imo.

I didn’t watch our listen to the game, but wow, your blue and gold glasses need some cleaning, this was a dismantling of a 4th ranked FCS team by a middle of the road PAC 12 team. This should not have ever happened. Maybe coaching, maybe, scheme, maybe under developed players…but I would lay this at the feet of Garza and Vigen…but mainly Garza!

I'm known for being overly optimistic and unrealistic around here.

If you didn't watch it, I don't see how you can have much of an opinion. The people blaming this all on Garza, quite frankly, are similar to those who thought Housewright was awful last year. Know nothing blowhards without an ounce of football knowledge to them. The game we played tonight, we beat 90% of FCS teams with, at minimum.

This is funny. You are funny. Nobody is putting this all on Garza, however he refused to adjust all game. We would not have given up 68 with Banks at DC. We still lose and give up points sure but not that many. It's that simple.

And Housewright still outhinks himself plenty. Why after a successful drive running the ball down OSUs throat do we throw a long bomb the 1st play of the next drive? If you want to take that shot get into a position where an incompletion doesn't put you behind the chains. Like 2 and short or a 3rd and 1 where you know you're going on 4th down.

Banks had better players to work with. We played a lot of zone, tried to blitz to get pressure, it didn't work. We don't have the horses to play man to man against those guys. I'm not sure what you think would have worked when our secondary was completely outclassed and we couldn't get much for pressure on them. There isn't a scheme to fix that.

Regarding Housewright, he dialed up a gameplan that scored 21 points against a good Pac-12 team despite essentially having no running backs and 3 turnovers. He did a very good job.

I agree 100% about Housewright tonight. Just saying he still shows his youth and inexperience. He has improved a lot since the regular season last year and there isn't much to gripe about.

I personally think playing a little more man underneath and zone over the top would have alleviated some of the issues in the middle of the field tonight. We miss Ortt, Short is a mediocre replacement. Garza didn't miss any tackles either.

[coloradocat]

I wouldn't be too worried. We're out matched at the skill position level, but we played pretty well imo.

I didn’t watch our listen to the game, but wow, your blue and gold glasses need some cleaning, this was a dismantling of a 4th ranked FCS team by a middle of the road PAC 12 team. This should not have ever happened. Maybe coaching, maybe, scheme, maybe under developed players…but I would lay this at the feet of Garza and Vigen…but mainly Garza!

I'm known for being overly optimistic and unrealistic around here.

If you didn't watch it, I don't see how you can have much of an opinion. The people blaming this all on Garza, quite frankly, are similar to those who thought Housewright was awful last year. Know nothing blowhards without an ounce of football knowledge to them. The game we played tonight, we beat 90% of FCS teams with, at minimum.

This is funny. You are funny. Nobody is putting this all on Garza, however he refused to adjust all game. We would not have given up 68 with Banks at DC. We still lose and give up points sure but not that many. It's that simple.

And Housewright still outhinks himself plenty. Why after a successful drive running the ball down OSUs throat do we throw a long bomb the 1st play of the next drive? If you want to take that shot get into a position where an incompletion doesn't put you behind the chains. Like 2 and short or a 3rd and 1 where you know you're going on 4th down.

Banks had better players to work with. We played a lot of zone, tried to blitz to get pressure, it didn't work. We don't have the horses to play man to man against those guys. I'm not sure what you think would have worked when our secondary was completely outclassed and we couldn't get much for pressure on them. There isn't a scheme to fix that.

Regarding Housewright, he dialed up a gameplan that scored 21 points against a good Pac-12 team despite essentially having no running backs and 3 turnovers. He did a very good job.

Housewright just coached the third game in his second season as an FCS OC. Against a good Pac-12 team that had a good idea what the gameplan would be his offense rushed for over 160 yards and 3 TDs with a net negative 1 yards on the ground from RBs/WRs. That's impressive.

[91catAlum]

I wouldn't be too worried. We're out matched at the skill position level, but we played pretty well imo.

I didn’t watch our listen to the game, but wow, your blue and gold glasses need some cleaning, this was a dismantling of a 4th ranked FCS team by a middle of the road PAC 12 team. This should not have ever happened. Maybe coaching, maybe, scheme, maybe under developed players…but I would lay this at the feet of Garza and Vigen…but mainly Garza!

I'm known for being overly optimistic and unrealistic around here.

If you didn't watch it, I don't see how you can have much of an opinion. The people blaming this all on Garza, quite frankly, are similar to those who thought Housewright was awful last year. Know nothing blowhards without an ounce of football knowledge to them. The game we played tonight, we beat 90% of FCS teams with, at minimum.

Haha, “68 says Carnack”! If you ever played the game you’d understand my consternation. One thing is clear without ever watching the game, our D was smoked…why? Anyway…continue on.

We played better than we did against NDSU with less talent on the roster. Tommy often looked like the best player on the field. The OL was fantastic. The DL was solid until they just ran out of gas. We couldn't compete with their skill positions, but that won't be a problem we face in the rest of the schedule for the most part. I saw some issues and problems of course, but nothing egregiously bad. I'm welcome to your opinion on what you saw... Oh that's right, you only saw the box score.

I agree with most of that...except that the rest of the schedule includes a Griz team that is equipped to do the same thing and presumably a playoff game against NDSU. Who will also expose the same set of issues.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your post, but if you just said that the griz are equipped to throw the ball on our defense like Oregon State just did, then ya I'm gonna disagree with you on that...

[TomCat88]

Tommy is a great runner but still limited as a passer against very good teams.

Time for Chambers.

TD Beavers

What other very good teams was he a limited passer against?

All of his Wyoming games. If anyone watched any Wyoming football consistently over the last couple years, it’s clear he’s not a viable option as a passing QB

He was talking about Mellott I think. At least I was.

Yeah. Read that wrong. My bad.

But my point stands. Chambers isn’t the answer as a passer. It’s honestly amazing to think the last true passed we had was Prukop. That’s a problem.

Prukop wasn’t a better passer than Mellott. Mellott is a good passer and great all around QB.

Completely disagree with you there Tom.

Not saying Tommy can't get there, but right now I think it's pretty clear that Prukop has a leg up.

They’re pretty even in terms of passing the ball, statistically. Mellott is a better overall QB.

The best team I recall Prukop playing against was Arkansas St.

[Cat Grad]

Bigger. Faster. Stronger (except the Cat OL and Dl).