Why allow the gris to reside inside our heads?

[BFcatfan]

Maybe when "little brother" goes away.

This times 10k

[grizzh8r]

Maybe when "little brother" goes away.

This times 10k

Or "The Flagship"





Or "The Mecca"

[kwcat]

Maybe when "little brother" goes away.

This times 10k

Or "The Flagship"

You used too many letters



Or "The Mecca"

[ilovethecats]

Maybe when "little brother" goes away.

This times 10k

Or "The Flagship"





Or "The Mecca"

I don’t disagree. But I will say that the absolute BEST thing for MSU football is for the griz program and their fans to keep living in 2000……

As long as they think they are the flagship university, despite enrollment, the big brother to the Cats despite the results on the field; or rely on the “Mecca”, it’s a win for the Cats.

I want them to keep Bobby forever which they’ll do because he’s Jesus over there. I want them talking about their streak that ended two decades ago. I want more monte riding a Harley. I want the same song from 2000 blaring when they run out of their Smokey bubble tube. I want them believing they’re still tops in the state; tops in the country. As long as I keep getting all these things I want; the Cats will continue rolling.

[Rich K]

Listened to one of the NDSU radio guys after the championship game and he mentioned that because Montana State and dUMb are supposedly tied together by the State Board of Regents and the gris would be holding us back if we ever got a Mountain West invitation. He was right, the gris are like an anchor, discouraging FBS invitations.

Perhaps an effort should be made to encourage the BOR to separate the two Universities and MSU should attempt to put themselves into a position to be a partner with NDSU as FBS targets. The gris would be begging MSU students to chant ESG GCG if that were to occur. Currently it's partly the chant that keeps the gris relevant.

[MSU01]

Listened to one of the NDSU radio guys after the championship game and he mentioned that because Montana State and dUMb are supposedly tied together by the State Board of Regents and the gris would be holding us back if we ever got a Mountain West invitation. He was right, the gris are like an anchor, discouraging FBS invitations.

Perhaps an effort should be made to encourage the BOR to separate the two Universities and MSU should attempt to put themselves into a position to be a partner with NDSU as FBS targets. The gris would be begging MSU students to chant ESG GCG if that were to occur. Currently it's partly the chant that keeps the gris relevant.

I disagree somewhat, I think MSU's best chance of getting an FBS invite is if the UM program remains strong and a conference sees a package deal as desirable to add. MSU had a great season but after only three consecutive wins in the series over two seasons it's rather a lot of hubris to assume that MSU will consistently dominate the state of Montana moving forward. All it takes is one Cat/Griz game going the other way to swing it back in their favor, hopefully it doesn't happen soon but realistically it will at some point. Facilities-wise the two programs are in a pretty similar spot with UM having the better stadium but MSU having the better indoor facility. And thankfully MSU also has the better coach, at least for one more season.

[AFCAT]

Listened to one of the NDSU radio guys after the championship game and he mentioned that because Montana State and dUMb are supposedly tied together by the State Board of Regents and the gris would be holding us back if we ever got a Mountain West invitation. He was right, the gris are like an anchor, discouraging FBS invitations.

Perhaps an effort should be made to encourage the BOR to separate the two Universities and MSU should attempt to put themselves into a position to be a partner with NDSU as FBS targets. The gris would be begging MSU students to chant ESG GCG if that were to occur. Currently it's partly the chant that keeps the gris relevant.

The TV ratings for the Cat-gris playoff game were huge compared to most other FCS playoff games. Why would they want to get rid of that? The rivalry is very important.

[tetoncat]

Listened to one of the NDSU radio guys after the championship game and he mentioned that because Montana State and dUMb are supposedly tied together by the State Board of Regents and the gris would be holding us back if we ever got a Mountain West invitation. He was right, the gris are like an anchor, discouraging FBS invitations.

Perhaps an effort should be made to encourage the BOR to separate the two Universities and MSU should attempt to put themselves into a position to be a partner with NDSU as FBS targets. The gris would be begging MSU students to chant ESG GCG if that were to occur. Currently it's partly the chant that keeps the gris relevant.

I disagree somewhat, I think MSU's best chance of getting an FBS invite is if the UM program remains strong and a conference sees a package deal as desirable to add. MSU had a great season but after only three consecutive wins in the series over two seasons it's rather a lot of hubris to assume that MSU will consistently dominate the state of Montana moving forward. All it takes is one Cat/Griz game going the other way to swing it back in their favor, hopefully it doesn't happen soon but realistically it will at some point. Facilities-wise the two programs are in a pretty similar spot with UM having the better stadium but MSU having the better indoor facility.

They have had 2 wins recently and it didn't do much to swing momentum. 1 led to a title appearance by the Cats. Being dominant doesn't mean Cats will win every head to head. Bit the trajectory on results, facilities, in state recruiting is strong and no sign of decline. President change, AD change, coach change, and a couple losses could do that though.

[MSU01]

Listened to one of the NDSU radio guys after the championship game and he mentioned that because Montana State and dUMb are supposedly tied together by the State Board of Regents and the gris would be holding us back if we ever got a Mountain West invitation. He was right, the gris are like an anchor, discouraging FBS invitations.

Perhaps an effort should be made to encourage the BOR to separate the two Universities and MSU should attempt to put themselves into a position to be a partner with NDSU as FBS targets. The gris would be begging MSU students to chant ESG GCG if that were to occur. Currently it's partly the chant that keeps the gris relevant.

I disagree somewhat, I think MSU's best chance of getting an FBS invite is if the UM program remains strong and a conference sees a package deal as desirable to add. MSU had a great season but after only three consecutive wins in the series over two seasons it's rather a lot of hubris to assume that MSU will consistently dominate the state of Montana moving forward. All it takes is one Cat/Griz game going the other way to swing it back in their favor, hopefully it doesn't happen soon but realistically it will at some point. Facilities-wise the two programs are in a pretty similar spot with UM having the better stadium but MSU having the better indoor facility.

They have had 2 wins recently and it didn't do much to swing momentum. 1 led to a title appearance by the Cats. Being dominant doesn't mean Cats will win every head to head. Bit the trajectory on results, facilities, in state recruiting is strong and no sign of decline. President change, AD change, coach change, and a couple losses could do that though.

Great points, I wasn't really saying that one head to head win will turn it around but a lot of the perception of the rivalry does swing around based on who won the most recent game. And the FCS is so top-heavy at this point that the Cat/Griz winner is quite likely to consistently be able to turn that into a Top 2 playoff seed and favorable path to Nashville or wherever else the title game goes after next season. MSU is incredibly fortunate right now to have Costello as AD and Vigen as head football coach because (IMO) both of those guys are clearly the best in the Big Sky conference if not the entire FCS division at those two crucial positions. And to the specific point of a FBS invite, I still say it's better for MSU to be tied to UM and go up together with both programs being desirable additions to a conference...although it increasingly looks like that isn't going to happen for a while.

[tetoncat]

Listened to one of the NDSU radio guys after the championship game and he mentioned that because Montana State and dUMb are supposedly tied together by the State Board of Regents and the gris would be holding us back if we ever got a Mountain West invitation. He was right, the gris are like an anchor, discouraging FBS invitations.

Perhaps an effort should be made to encourage the BOR to separate the two Universities and MSU should attempt to put themselves into a position to be a partner with NDSU as FBS targets. The gris would be begging MSU students to chant ESG GCG if that were to occur. Currently it's partly the chant that keeps the gris relevant.

I disagree somewhat, I think MSU's best chance of getting an FBS invite is if the UM program remains strong and a conference sees a package deal as desirable to add. MSU had a great season but after only three consecutive wins in the series over two seasons it's rather a lot of hubris to assume that MSU will consistently dominate the state of Montana moving forward. All it takes is one Cat/Griz game going the other way to swing it back in their favor, hopefully it doesn't happen soon but realistically it will at some point. Facilities-wise the two programs are in a pretty similar spot with UM having the better stadium but MSU having the better indoor facility.

They have had 2 wins recently and it didn't do much to swing momentum. 1 led to a title appearance by the Cats. Being dominant doesn't mean Cats will win every head to head. Bit the trajectory on results, facilities, in state recruiting is strong and no sign of decline. President change, AD change, coach change, and a couple losses could do that though.

Great points, I wasn't really saying that one head to head win will turn it around but a lot of the perception of the rivalry does swing around based on who won the most recent game. And the FCS is so top-heavy at this point that the Cat/Griz winner is quite likely to consistently be able to turn that into a Top 2 playoff seed and favorable path to Nashville or wherever else the title game goes after next season. MSU is incredibly fortunate right now to have Costello as AD and Vigen as head football coach because (IMO) both of those guys are clearly the best in the Big Sky conference if not the entire FCS division at those two crucial positions. And to the specific point of a FBS invite, I still say it's better for MSU to be tied to UM and go up together with both programs being desirable additions to a conference...although it increasingly looks like that isn't going to happen for a while.

Agree it is better if both. I think the argument being made is if the situation right now is that MSU could and UM maybe couldn't. 15 years ago that was probably switched

[RootinfortheCats]

I want them to keep Bobby forever which they’ll do because he’s Jesus over there.

I live in the Bitterroot with an increasing number of Cat Fans due to so many high school grads choosing MSU around here. The Griz fans I know are increasingly tired of Bobby. Much of it has to do with losing to the Cats, but also many talk about the in state recruiting failures and how he treats the media, believe it or not.

[84CatGrad]

2025 Enrollment Numbers:

MSU: 17,135 (15,046 undergrads)
UM: 10,811 (7,891 undergrads)

[msusig]

Maybe you’re not old enough but back in the day the whole stadium would chant poooooooor grizzlies no matter what team we were beating… so I suppose mony mony is just the latest….. get over it have fun

[cats2506]

The Streak will do that to us. That was a long, long time. And old habits die hard.

To put a finer point on it, I often see the ESG GCG chant as our battle cry. And while it does mention our loathsome rivals, it's become bigger than that.

Do I recognize the irony when we chanted it in Nashville? Absolutely. Did I happily join in? Every time.

Go CATS!!

I don't understand why you have to say "Grizzlies" when playing other teams. It can still be the "battle cry" without saying the name of a team you aren't playing. "Redbirds" and "grizzlies" are literally the exact same syllables. Why not say, "eat $#!t REDBIRDS! Go Cats Go!"? In fact, only 3 of our 16 opponents don't work nicely as a 2 syllable reference: San Diego Toreros and NAU/SFA, both being Lumberjacks.

I have said this before, I respect our opponents and especially the Redbirds, I have no reason to trash then. MSU competes for resources every day against um, I will trash them every opportunity I get.

[cats2506]

I was going to wait a few weeks till the offseason to start a thread about killing the chant, making Mony Mony a thing we only do a few weeks out of the year. It's over. They no longer beat us in.... anything. It's time we started acting like it.

How this happens I'm not sure but I think the athletes could go a long way to come out saying its stupid etc. Get them to stop playing Mony Mony in the stadium until the week before the game. Students getting other students to stop doing it during the fight song.

The Mony Mony chant can almost always be changed to reference the team we are actually playing, as most schools either have a 2-syllable name or mascot. "Eat $#it Redbirds, go Cats go" rolls off the tongue exactly the same. This year could have been, Eat $#it:
U-O
Ra-bbits
(USD doesn't work very well)
La-kers
Ea-gles
(NAU also not a great fit)
Ben-gals
Must-angs
No-Co (not my fav, but works in a pinch)
We-ber or Wild-cats
Agg-ies
Grizzlies (duh)
Bull-dogs
SFA (another Lumberjack team)
Grizz again
Red-birds

Literally only 3 teams (2 of with have the same mascot) didn't fit the chant. Out of 16. So MSU fans put that other team's name in their mouth 11 times unnecessarily, with 3 times they could have just skipped the first part and said GCG, which is what we do at games.

Other than the gris, I have no reason to trash these teams, I respect their players and coaches, I think it would be totally classless to change the chant each week to our current opponent.

[TheJoeGoldstone]

Maybe you’re not old enough but back in the day the whole stadium would chant poooooooor grizzlies no matter what team we were beating… so I suppose mony mony is just the latest….. get over it have fun

I still try to bring back that poooooooor fizzlies chant during the Cat - gris games. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. However, I do not do the ESG chant anymore during Mony Mony when we aren't playing the gris. Doing the chant to any other school is not deserved IMO. It solely belongs to the dancing school over the hill, esp. with Booby Hauck at the helm.

[TomCat88]

2025 Enrollment Numbers:

MSU: 17,135 (15,046 undergrads)
UM: 10,811 (7,891 undergrads)

This is just as astonishing as the flip in sports (overall and specifically in football and women's basketball). You gotta think they're related in some way.

[MSUBobcat04]

I was going to wait a few weeks till the offseason to start a thread about killing the chant, making Mony Mony a thing we only do a few weeks out of the year. It's over. They no longer beat us in.... anything. It's time we started acting like it.

How this happens I'm not sure but I think the athletes could go a long way to come out saying its stupid etc. Get them to stop playing Mony Mony in the stadium until the week before the game. Students getting other students to stop doing it during the fight song.

The Mony Mony chant can almost always be changed to reference the team we are actually playing, as most schools either have a 2-syllable name or mascot. "Eat $#it Redbirds, go Cats go" rolls off the tongue exactly the same. This year could have been, Eat $#it:
U-O
Ra-bbits
(USD doesn't work very well)
La-kers
Ea-gles
(NAU also not a great fit)
Ben-gals
Must-angs
No-Co (not my fav, but works in a pinch)
We-ber or Wild-cats
Agg-ies
Grizzlies (duh)
Bull-dogs
SFA (another Lumberjack team)
Grizz again
Red-birds

Literally only 3 teams (2 of with have the same mascot) didn't fit the chant. Out of 16. So MSU fans put that other team's name in their mouth 11 times unnecessarily, with 3 times they could have just skipped the first part and said GCG, which is what we do at games.

Being known as the "eat s%$#" fan base 365 days a year, we'll be more hated than NDSU here pretty soon without the 10 championships.

I'd do away with all of it (we only say the GCG part unless we're actually playing the other team), but if you're going to say it... at least direct it at the current opponent.

[MSUBobcat04]

I was going to wait a few weeks till the offseason to start a thread about killing the chant, making Mony Mony a thing we only do a few weeks out of the year. It's over. They no longer beat us in.... anything. It's time we started acting like it.

How this happens I'm not sure but I think the athletes could go a long way to come out saying its stupid etc. Get them to stop playing Mony Mony in the stadium until the week before the game. Students getting other students to stop doing it during the fight song.

The Mony Mony chant can almost always be changed to reference the team we are actually playing, as most schools either have a 2-syllable name or mascot. "Eat $#it Redbirds, go Cats go" rolls off the tongue exactly the same. This year could have been, Eat $#it:
U-O
Ra-bbits
(USD doesn't work very well)
La-kers
Ea-gles
(NAU also not a great fit)
Ben-gals
Must-angs
No-Co (not my fav, but works in a pinch)
We-ber or Wild-cats
Agg-ies
Grizzlies (duh)
Bull-dogs
SFA (another Lumberjack team)
Grizz again
Red-birds

Literally only 3 teams (2 of with have the same mascot) didn't fit the chant. Out of 16. So MSU fans put that other team's name in their mouth 11 times unnecessarily, with 3 times they could have just skipped the first part and said GCG, which is what we do at games.

Other than the gris, I have no reason to trash these teams, I respect their players and coaches, I think it would be totally classless to change the chant each week to our current opponent.

No one's forcing you to say Eat $#it to anyone. But go ahead and think doing ESGGCG when playing Mercyhurst is bothering the Griz fanbase if that's your prerogative. I think that makes us look classless. Reason 258 I rarely peruse the BN forum..... I'll leave it to all you "classy" people.

[ZebraCat]

I was going to wait a few weeks till the offseason to start a thread about killing the chant, making Mony Mony a thing we only do a few weeks out of the year. It's over. They no longer beat us in.... anything. It's time we started acting like it.

How this happens I'm not sure but I think the athletes could go a long way to come out saying its stupid etc. Get them to stop playing Mony Mony in the stadium until the week before the game. Students getting other students to stop doing it during the fight song.

The Mony Mony chant can almost always be changed to reference the team we are actually playing, as most schools either have a 2-syllable name or mascot. "Eat $#it Redbirds, go Cats go" rolls off the tongue exactly the same. This year could have been, Eat $#it:
U-O
Ra-bbits
(USD doesn't work very well)
La-kers
Ea-gles
(NAU also not a great fit)
Ben-gals
Must-angs
No-Co (not my fav, but works in a pinch)
We-ber or Wild-cats
Agg-ies
Grizzlies (duh)
Bull-dogs
SFA (another Lumberjack team)
Grizz again
Red-birds

Literally only 3 teams (2 of with have the same mascot) didn't fit the chant. Out of 16. So MSU fans put that other team's name in their mouth 11 times unnecessarily, with 3 times they could have just skipped the first part and said GCG, which is what we do at games.

Other than the gris, I have no reason to trash these teams, I respect their players and coaches, I think it would be totally classless to change the chant each week to our current opponent.

No one's forcing you to say Eat $#it to anyone. But go ahead and think doing ESGGCG when playing Mercyhurst is bothering the Griz fanbase if that's your prerogative. I think that makes us look classless. Reason 258 I rarely peruse the BN forum..... I'll leave it to all you "classy" people.

Thank you