How do Cats stack up against Griz

[Cataholic]

One more interesting comparison.

The Cats and Griz have both played 5 BSC games, they have both played 2 games at home and 3 on the road, and their collective opponents' records are an identical 18-27.

In those conference games, the Cats are +177 points in scoring differential, good for 35.4 PPG. Their smallest margin was the 17 point victory over CP.

In their conference games, the Griz are +79 points in scoring differential, good for 15.8 PPG. Their smallest margin was their 4 point victory over ISU.

Here's an offense/defense breakdown in BSC play.

The Griz have scored 198 points in five conference games, good for 39.6 PPG.

They have allowed 129 points in those same games, or 25.8 PPG.

The Cats have scored 228 points in five conference games, good for 45.6 PPG.

They have allowed 51 points in those same games, or 10.2 PPG.

Here's why this is interesting to me:

A lot of the discourse around the Cat/Griz comparison so far this season has focused on SOS. Griz fans have obviously (and fairly) highlighted that UM is undefeated and the Cats have two losses. Cat fans have responded that they've played a tougher schedule. The response to that (again, I think fairly) is that the stronger SOS is basically based on the Oregon game, which is basically irrelevant.

So my suggestion is throw the OOC play out altogether and just focus on what's truly comparable: conference play. The SOS in-conference between the Cats and the Griz is literally identical. And what it reveals is that MSU is a substantially better performing team. That's even true in regards to offense, where the narrative in the media right now definitely favors the Griz. The Cats are almost a touchdown better and then obviously on the defensive side, they're 2.5 times better in terms of points allowed.

I think this is getting lost in a lot of the coverage of the team teams.

The Oregon game isn’t “irrelevant” when Gris fans are using W/L record as a point of comparison.

UM hasn’t played anyone like Oregon, or even SDSU when they were healthy, and that’s really what matters in the SOS argument if W/L record matters.

The “best” team UM played is probably UND, and they just got beaten by a 4-loss team.

Well there’s this. Cats aren’t even on the “3” list

What a stupid post! The Griz have only played 3 FCS teams with a winning record: NDSU, Sac State and SACRED HEART!

[wbtfg]

Top 50 wins!!

[Prodigal Cat]

[TomCat88]

Do they explain their methodology anywhere?

[seataccat]

Do they explain their methodology anywhere?

PFSN's College QB Impact (QBi) assigns a numerical score and a letter grade to a quarterback's performance. We arrive at the grade by considering both a QB's passing and rushing performance. Certain more stable factors like clean pocket performance and designed rushing success get weighted more than less stable ones like pressure performance and scrambling. We also add a "clutch" component that gives extra weight to how quarterbacks perform in high-leverage situations.

To qualify for the season leaderboard, a QB must average at least 15 plays per game (dropbacks or designed runs) while playing in at least half his team's games that season. To qualify for the games leaderboard, a QB must have participated in at least 15 plays that game.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/cfb- ... ngs-impact

[TomCat88]

The only impressive win I know of this season, in terms of who you beat, was SDSU beating MSU. NDSU's win over SDSU was impressive due to the score but SDSU was down a lot that game. There have been impressive wins in terms of how dominant a team was against a lesser, yet quality, opponents.

-MSU's offense hanging 48 and 342 passing on UNC at Greeley when the Bears had the top pass D in the BSC, statistically.
-MSU beating NAU 34-10 (scoring 34 unanswered) in Flagstaff.
-UM's 49-35 (they were up 42-21) win over SAC in Sacramento with a late night start.

[TomCat88]

Do they explain their methodology anywhere?

PFSN's College QB Impact (QBi) assigns a numerical score and a letter grade to a quarterback's performance. We arrive at the grade by considering both a QB's passing and rushing performance. Certain more stable factors like clean pocket performance and designed rushing success get weighted more than less stable ones like pressure performance and scrambling. We also add a "clutch" component that gives extra weight to how quarterbacks perform in high-leverage situations.

To qualify for the season leaderboard, a QB must average at least 15 plays per game (dropbacks or designed runs) while playing in at least half his team's games that season. To qualify for the games leaderboard, a QB must have participated in at least 15 plays that game.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/cfb- ... ngs-impact

Thanks. You can tell by the leaderboard that any form of degree of difficulty wasn't included. We see QBs in the playoffs from non-MVFC/BSC conferences that are highly touted go up against NDSU, MSU, SDSU and the like over the last few years and they're not anywhere near their usual selves.

[rfischer94]

Griz seeing this rn

[kwcat]

One more interesting comparison.

The Cats and Griz have both played 5 BSC games, they have both played 2 games at home and 3 on the road, and their collective opponents' records are an identical 18-27.

In those conference games, the Cats are +177 points in scoring differential, good for 35.4 PPG. Their smallest margin was the 17 point victory over CP.

In their conference games, the Griz are +79 points in scoring differential, good for 15.8 PPG. Their smallest margin was their 4 point victory over ISU.

Here's an offense/defense breakdown in BSC play.

The Griz have scored 198 points in five conference games, good for 39.6 PPG.

They have allowed 129 points in those same games, or 25.8 PPG.

The Cats have scored 228 points in five conference games, good for 45.6 PPG.

They have allowed 51 points in those same games, or 10.2 PPG.

Here's why this is interesting to me:

A lot of the discourse around the Cat/Griz comparison so far this season has focused on SOS. Griz fans have obviously (and fairly) highlighted that UM is undefeated and the Cats have two losses. Cat fans have responded that they've played a tougher schedule. The response to that (again, I think fairly) is that the stronger SOS is basically based on the Oregon game, which is basically irrelevant.

So my suggestion is throw the OOC play out altogether and just focus on what's truly comparable: conference play. The SOS in-conference between the Cats and the Griz is literally identical. And what it reveals is that MSU is a substantially better performing team. That's even true in regards to offense, where the narrative in the media right now definitely favors the Griz. The Cats are almost a touchdown better and then obviously on the defensive side, they're 2.5 times better in terms of points allowed.

I think this is getting lost in a lot of the coverage of the team teams.

The Oregon game isn’t “irrelevant” when Gris fans are using W/L record as a point of comparison.

UM hasn’t played anyone like Oregon, or even SDSU when they were healthy, and that’s really what matters in the SOS argument if W/L record matters.

The “best” team UM played is probably UND, and they just got beaten by a 4-loss team.

Well there’s this. Cats aren’t even on the “3” list

What a stupid post! The Griz have only played 3 FCS teams with a winning record: NDSU, Sac State and SACRED HEART!

Ndsu?

[TomCat88]

One more interesting comparison.

The Cats and Griz have both played 5 BSC games, they have both played 2 games at home and 3 on the road, and their collective opponents' records are an identical 18-27.

In those conference games, the Cats are +177 points in scoring differential, good for 35.4 PPG. Their smallest margin was the 17 point victory over CP.

In their conference games, the Griz are +79 points in scoring differential, good for 15.8 PPG. Their smallest margin was their 4 point victory over ISU.

Here's an offense/defense breakdown in BSC play.

The Griz have scored 198 points in five conference games, good for 39.6 PPG.

They have allowed 129 points in those same games, or 25.8 PPG.

The Cats have scored 228 points in five conference games, good for 45.6 PPG.

They have allowed 51 points in those same games, or 10.2 PPG.

Here's why this is interesting to me:

A lot of the discourse around the Cat/Griz comparison so far this season has focused on SOS. Griz fans have obviously (and fairly) highlighted that UM is undefeated and the Cats have two losses. Cat fans have responded that they've played a tougher schedule. The response to that (again, I think fairly) is that the stronger SOS is basically based on the Oregon game, which is basically irrelevant.

So my suggestion is throw the OOC play out altogether and just focus on what's truly comparable: conference play. The SOS in-conference between the Cats and the Griz is literally identical. And what it reveals is that MSU is a substantially better performing team. That's even true in regards to offense, where the narrative in the media right now definitely favors the Griz. The Cats are almost a touchdown better and then obviously on the defensive side, they're 2.5 times better in terms of points allowed.

I think this is getting lost in a lot of the coverage of the team teams.

The Oregon game isn’t “irrelevant” when Gris fans are using W/L record as a point of comparison.

UM hasn’t played anyone like Oregon, or even SDSU when they were healthy, and that’s really what matters in the SOS argument if W/L record matters.

The “best” team UM played is probably UND, and they just got beaten by a 4-loss team.

Well there’s this. Cats aren’t even on the “3” list

What a stupid post! The Griz have only played 3 FCS teams with a winning record: NDSU, Sac State and SACRED HEART!

Ndsu?

He meant UND.

[kwcat]

One more interesting comparison.

The Cats and Griz have both played 5 BSC games, they have both played 2 games at home and 3 on the road, and their collective opponents' records are an identical 18-27.

In those conference games, the Cats are +177 points in scoring differential, good for 35.4 PPG. Their smallest margin was the 17 point victory over CP.

In their conference games, the Griz are +79 points in scoring differential, good for 15.8 PPG. Their smallest margin was their 4 point victory over ISU.

Here's an offense/defense breakdown in BSC play.

The Griz have scored 198 points in five conference games, good for 39.6 PPG.

They have allowed 129 points in those same games, or 25.8 PPG.

The Cats have scored 228 points in five conference games, good for 45.6 PPG.

They have allowed 51 points in those same games, or 10.2 PPG.

Here's why this is interesting to me:

A lot of the discourse around the Cat/Griz comparison so far this season has focused on SOS. Griz fans have obviously (and fairly) highlighted that UM is undefeated and the Cats have two losses. Cat fans have responded that they've played a tougher schedule. The response to that (again, I think fairly) is that the stronger SOS is basically based on the Oregon game, which is basically irrelevant.

So my suggestion is throw the OOC play out altogether and just focus on what's truly comparable: conference play. The SOS in-conference between the Cats and the Griz is literally identical. And what it reveals is that MSU is a substantially better performing team. That's even true in regards to offense, where the narrative in the media right now definitely favors the Griz. The Cats are almost a touchdown better and then obviously on the defensive side, they're 2.5 times better in terms of points allowed.

I think this is getting lost in a lot of the coverage of the team teams.

The Oregon game isn’t “irrelevant” when Gris fans are using W/L record as a point of comparison.

UM hasn’t played anyone like Oregon, or even SDSU when they were healthy, and that’s really what matters in the SOS argument if W/L record matters.

The “best” team UM played is probably UND, and they just got beaten by a 4-loss team.

Well there’s this. Cats aren’t even on the “3” list

What a stupid post! The Griz have only played 3 FCS teams with a winning record: NDSU, Sac State and SACRED HEART!

Ndsu?

He meant UND.

I know and you know. But posters confused those two schools a lot as they do South Dakota, State, and South Dakota and then get upset when the Montana schools get confused.
Probably should’ve just left it alone, but there’s been a lot of mistakes on that this week

[Montanabob]

One more interesting comparison.

The Cats and Griz have both played 5 BSC games, they have both played 2 games at home and 3 on the road, and their collective opponents' records are an identical 18-27.

In those conference games, the Cats are +177 points in scoring differential, good for 35.4 PPG. Their smallest margin was the 17 point victory over CP.

In their conference games, the Griz are +79 points in scoring differential, good for 15.8 PPG. Their smallest margin was their 4 point victory over ISU.

Here's an offense/defense breakdown in BSC play.

The Griz have scored 198 points in five conference games, good for 39.6 PPG.

They have allowed 129 points in those same games, or 25.8 PPG.

The Cats have scored 228 points in five conference games, good for 45.6 PPG.

They have allowed 51 points in those same games, or 10.2 PPG.

Here's why this is interesting to me:

A lot of the discourse around the Cat/Griz comparison so far this season has focused on SOS. Griz fans have obviously (and fairly) highlighted that UM is undefeated and the Cats have two losses. Cat fans have responded that they've played a tougher schedule. The response to that (again, I think fairly) is that the stronger SOS is basically based on the Oregon game, which is basically irrelevant.

So my suggestion is throw the OOC play out altogether and just focus on what's truly comparable: conference play. The SOS in-conference between the Cats and the Griz is literally identical. And what it reveals is that MSU is a substantially better performing team. That's even true in regards to offense, where the narrative in the media right now definitely favors the Griz. The Cats are almost a touchdown better and then obviously on the defensive side, they're 2.5 times better in terms of points allowed.

I think this is getting lost in a lot of the coverage of the team teams.

The Oregon game isn’t “irrelevant” when Gris fans are using W/L record as a point of comparison.

UM hasn’t played anyone like Oregon, or even SDSU when they were healthy, and that’s really what matters in the SOS argument if W/L record matters.

The “best” team UM played is probably UND, and they just got beaten by a 4-loss team.

Well there’s this. Cats aren’t even on the “3” list

What a stupid post! The Griz have only played 3 FCS teams with a winning record: NDSU, Sac State and SACRED HEART!

Ndsu?

He meant UND.

I know and you know. But posters confused those two schools a lot as they do South Dakota, State, and South Dakota and then get upset when the Montana schools get confused.
Probably should’ve just left it alone, but there’s been a lot of mistakes on that this week

wait? univ san diego is not in this fight?

[kwcat]

One more interesting comparison.

The Cats and Griz have both played 5 BSC games, they have both played 2 games at home and 3 on the road, and their collective opponents' records are an identical 18-27.

In those conference games, the Cats are +177 points in scoring differential, good for 35.4 PPG. Their smallest margin was the 17 point victory over CP.

In their conference games, the Griz are +79 points in scoring differential, good for 15.8 PPG. Their smallest margin was their 4 point victory over ISU.

Here's an offense/defense breakdown in BSC play.

The Griz have scored 198 points in five conference games, good for 39.6 PPG.

They have allowed 129 points in those same games, or 25.8 PPG.

The Cats have scored 228 points in five conference games, good for 45.6 PPG.

They have allowed 51 points in those same games, or 10.2 PPG.

Here's why this is interesting to me:

A lot of the discourse around the Cat/Griz comparison so far this season has focused on SOS. Griz fans have obviously (and fairly) highlighted that UM is undefeated and the Cats have two losses. Cat fans have responded that they've played a tougher schedule. The response to that (again, I think fairly) is that the stronger SOS is basically based on the Oregon game, which is basically irrelevant.

So my suggestion is throw the OOC play out altogether and just focus on what's truly comparable: conference play. The SOS in-conference between the Cats and the Griz is literally identical. And what it reveals is that MSU is a substantially better performing team. That's even true in regards to offense, where the narrative in the media right now definitely favors the Griz. The Cats are almost a touchdown better and then obviously on the defensive side, they're 2.5 times better in terms of points allowed.

I think this is getting lost in a lot of the coverage of the team teams.

The Oregon game isn’t “irrelevant” when Gris fans are using W/L record as a point of comparison.

UM hasn’t played anyone like Oregon, or even SDSU when they were healthy, and that’s really what matters in the SOS argument if W/L record matters.

The “best” team UM played is probably UND, and they just got beaten by a 4-loss team.

Well there’s this. Cats aren’t even on the “3” list

What a stupid post! The Griz have only played 3 FCS teams with a winning record: NDSU, Sac State and SACRED HEART!

Ndsu?

He meant UND.

I know and you know. But posters confused those two schools a lot as they do South Dakota, State, and South Dakota and then get upset when the Montana schools get confused.
Probably should’ve just left it alone, but there’s been a lot of mistakes on that this week

wait? univ san diego is not in this fight?

[BelligerentBobcat]

In conference play, the difference in points allowed between MSU and the #2 team, UC Davis, is the same as the difference between Davis and the #11 team in the conference. We’re seeing an absolutely elite defense here.

[MrGoodKat]

In conference play, the difference in points allowed between MSU and the #2 team, UC Davis, is the same as the difference between Davis and the #11 team in the conference. We’re seeing an absolutely elite defense here.

The Brawl is going to be billed as the best offense in the conference hosting the best defense.

In reality, it’s going to be the 2nd best offense hosting the #1 offense who also happens to be an elite defense.

[MSUcat44]

@HookedOnGriz i just know he's gonna be realllll quiet after that disgusting game by the gris lol.

[MTnative]

@HookedOnGriz i just know he's gonna be realllll quiet after that disgusting game by the gris lol.

EWU handed the gris an absolute gift at the end.

Gris D is going to get absolutely torched if they play like that in the Brawl. I suspect they will.

[Catsrgrood]

Im too lazy to do it myself (who am I kidding, I may look tomorrow), but I’m looking forward to seeing some Big Sky conference stat comparisons after this week.

6 weeks in, and we have 4 common opponents with the griz. That’s a pretty solid sample size to compare teams a bit more.

[GoldstoneCat]

@HookedOnGriz i just know he's gonna be realllll quiet after that disgusting game by the gris lol.

EWU handed the gris an absolute gift at the end.

Gris D is going to get absolutely torched if they play like that in the Brawl. I suspect they will.

Their defense is horrible. Horrid. That kid for eastern had some moxie but took like 7 sacks. The best offense in the history of time converted 1 3rd down against the mighty eagles. We are going to stomp the hell out of them if we don't let the environment overwhelm us.

[083190]

It will be interesting to see the polls on Monday. Do Herder and the other experts ( ) still fawn all over an overrated Montana? Or do they finally acknowledge what the committee sees?