Good, bad, and ugly Oregon edition

[TomCat88]

Bad:
Tackling. Broken tackles are one thing but when you see players trying to deliver ‘the big hit’ and not wrapping up that’s form. If they were sliding off guys trying to wrap up that’s understandable. They were trying hit in the open field.

There were a few missed tackles but nothing out of the ordinary. I rewatched the game and watched for this. I think people see missed tackles liked they see basketball players not boxing out. If the other team gets an offensive rebound they scream “box out!” even though the ball just bounced right to the opposing player.

Some missed tackles are broken tackles. Players go in and make a great effort to just close but aren’t able to get into good enough position despite that effort and the attempt is broken. Receivers are accused of dropping passes then they make a great effort to get to but the ball is too hot or they hit the ground so hard it’s impossible to hang to. But hE gOT a HaNd on IT, sO He sHOuld’Ve caUgHT it!

Tackling is a technique. The result of the play doesn’t change that. There were plenty of plays where the Bobcat made the tackle by launching without wrapping up. There’s a reason players do it. It does not change the fact that the form is bad. It’s like blocking on the O-line, people don’t notice the bad form until it affects the play. They see the player go down and think “good tackle” even though it wasn’t a great form tackle. Championship teams tackle well, tackle consistently, and tackle with good form. Cats missed some tackles today because they were not doing those. Even when they made plays they still didn’t have good form consistently. They need to be better at that to be a national title contender.

Your response doesn’t appear to match my comment. I’m confused

[Bobcat4Ever]

The Good: Lamson. Accurate and on time. 23/31, 74%. Rating 127.8. He showed that he’s been playing FBS competition. The broken sack and pass to Taco was a beauty as he kept looking downfield the entire time. No interceptions.

The Good: Dowler. Career-high 12 receptions for 107 yards, 8.9 ypc.

The Good: The other Dowler. 10 tackles, 7 solo.

The Good: No turnovers lost.

Three really outstanding first-game performances against what could be a national semifinal team. The day was not too big for these ’Cats.

[Helcat72]

I think DB'S like McMillan were making business decisions when tackling Sadiq in the open field. I'm not sure you can blame him for throwing his 170 lb body at him instead of wrapping up and dislocating his shoulders.

[iaafan]

I think DB'S like McMillan were making business decisions when tackling Sadiq in the open field. I'm not sure you can blame him for throwing his 170 lb body at him instead of wrapping up and dislocating his shoulders.

That wasn’t McMillan on the TD. And that was Sadiq’s only catch. He also had a three yard run.

[lutecat]

Ugly: playing these spoiled brat ducks for a measly $650k (or whatever it is) when they have players who make more than that in NIL.

In this day and age of college football we need to get a 2 million payout minimum if we're playing an Oregon/Michigan/ SEC ect school. We played a professional team today. This is not the yesteryear of cUm competing against Oregon.

[iaafan]

Bad:
Tackling. Broken tackles are one thing but when you see players trying to deliver ‘the big hit’ and not wrapping up that’s form. If they were sliding off guys trying to wrap up that’s understandable. They were trying hit in the open field.

There were a few missed tackles but nothing out of the ordinary. I rewatched the game and watched for this. I think people see missed tackles liked they see basketball players not boxing out. If the other team gets an offensive rebound they scream “box out!” even though the ball just bounced right to the opposing player.

Some missed tackles are broken tackles. Players go in and make a great effort to just close but aren’t able to get into good enough position despite that effort and the attempt is broken. Receivers are accused of dropping passes then they make a great effort to get to but the ball is too hot or they hit the ground so hard it’s impossible to hang to. But hE gOT a HaNd on IT, sO He sHOuld’Ve caUgHT it!

Tackling is a technique. The result of the play doesn’t change that. There were plenty of plays where the Bobcat made the tackle by launching without wrapping up. There’s a reason players do it. It does not change the fact that the form is bad. It’s like blocking on the O-line, people don’t notice the bad form until it affects the play. They see the player go down and think “good tackle” even though it wasn’t a great form tackle. Championship teams tackle well, tackle consistently, and tackle with good form. Cats missed some tackles today because they were not doing those. Even when they made plays they still didn’t have good form consistently. They need to be better at that to be a national title contender.

Absolute BS. The Ducks broke three tackles of any conseqhence. The defense was absolutely not just throwing their bodies at players. You’re just butt hurt over the score and you want to blame someone. Pathetic.

[iaafan]

The Ducks have great speed on offense. I don’t recall a single play where their speed was evident. There’s a reason for that. The only huge plays in the game were not a result of any lack of speed on our part.

[PapaG]

The Ducks have great speed on offense. I don’t recall a single play where their speed was evident. There’s a reason for that. The only huge plays in the game were not a result of any lack of speed on our part.

Taco had the catch where he reversed the field and couldn’t quite get the edge against the Oregon secondary, so he got chased down and slammed into something in the on the sidelines. Scary moment.

Against almost all FCS and a large majority of FBS teams, teams, he easily outruns the secondary to the edge and gets a TD. I was worried he got injured on the tackle as both players were moving so fast when Taco got thrown out of bounds into what looked like some large AC unit.

What was crazy to me as also a Duck fan/former season ticket holder was how many freshmen Oregon was playing in that secondary and also at running back that can flat out fly.

I also thought Dante Moore looked great at QB, too. Big time arm and accurate. I expected Oregon to win but did not foresee MSU not getting a single stop on defense, nor did I see the complete inability to get any sort of running game going. Lanning says he likes this Oregon team more than last seasons, so hopefully the Bobcats caught a national title contender on a day everything was clicking for them.

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

The good: qb is a stud..... the use of taco in the pass game I really like....lbs were fast in space...dbs covered nfl caliber wrs and looked good doing it.

The bad: run blocking wasn't very good....pass rush was no where to be found....too many missed tackles that weren't due to ability

The ugly: we didn't control the controllables. That was really disappointing. If noting else we should have had a clean game in that regard.

Overall: 97% of teams in America wild be put manned vs this team, so who cares in the end that e were also. Would be have wanted to look better? Yeah but so what if we didn't. I saw coaches take an approach of were here to compete. The play calling..... adjustments...I saw a lot from the coaches in this loss,all good imo.

[RickRund]

Don’t know how to do it so think highlighted bold last sentence. But the Gris beat Washington a few seasons ago

[PapaG]

Don’t know how to do it so think highlighted bold last sentence. But the Gris beat Washington a few seasons ago

The Bobcats manhandled the Gris last year in Bozeman, but apparently them barely beating a 4-8 Washington team in a post-COVID season meant a lot to @OldGriz to the point he was spamming the game thread with it.

Weird posting performance by that guy. Definitely a Wal-Mart Gris.

[TomCat88]

Bad:
Tackling. Broken tackles are one thing but when you see players trying to deliver ‘the big hit’ and not wrapping up that’s form. If they were sliding off guys trying to wrap up that’s understandable. They were trying hit in the open field.

There were a few missed tackles but nothing out of the ordinary. I rewatched the game and watched for this. I think people see missed tackles liked they see basketball players not boxing out. If the other team gets an offensive rebound they scream “box out!” even though the ball just bounced right to the opposing player.

Some missed tackles are broken tackles. Players go in and make a great effort to just close but aren’t able to get into good enough position despite that effort and the attempt is broken. Receivers are accused of dropping passes then they make a great effort to get to but the ball is too hot or they hit the ground so hard it’s impossible to hang to. But hE gOT a HaNd on IT, sO He sHOuld’Ve caUgHT it!

Tackling is a technique. The result of the play doesn’t change that. There were plenty of plays where the Bobcat made the tackle by launching without wrapping up. There’s a reason players do it. It does not change the fact that the form is bad. It’s like blocking on the O-line, people don’t notice the bad form until it affects the play. They see the player go down and think “good tackle” even though it wasn’t a great form tackle. Championship teams tackle well, tackle consistently, and tackle with good form. Cats missed some tackles today because they were not doing those. Even when they made plays they still didn’t have good form consistently. They need to be better at that to be a national title contender.

Absolute BS. The Ducks broke three tackles of any conseqhence. The defense was absolutely not just throwing their bodies at players. You’re just butt hurt over the score and you want to blame someone. Pathetic.

There were four missed tackles. There were two plays that I initially thought were missed tackles but were actually just great offensive plays

The two obvious ones were by our frosh corners. The TE (Williams or Johnson) and then the first TD in the second half (McMillan?). There were two others but they only got 2 and 4 additional yards on those.

I also saw a lot of really good tackles that saved TDs (they eventually scored but these are still worth noting) and MSU forced Oregon into third downs 10 times and fourth downs twice. The near goal line stand was impressive. They had first and goal at the two and needed four attempts to get in. Beauty’s in the eye of the beholder I guess but stuff like that shows a lot of fight.

The two penalties on the TD drive right before half were rough. Can’t do that if/when they get into a tight game.

After first three possessions combined it was obvious MSU wouldn’t be able to run or get a pass rush without sacrificing a wide open receiver.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Here’s my overall take:

Last years team would have lost by a larger margin to this Oregon squad.

[PapaG]

Here’s my overall take:

Last years team would have lost by a larger margin to this Oregon squad.

I don’t really take anything away from this for MSU other than Lamson to Dowler should be fun to watch, and that Lanning seems to have by far the most physical team of his four at Oregon. Their D-Line was manhandling an otherwise excellent FSC Bobcat OL.

Throw it away and prepare for a very winnable game at home next week against a now rival.

[technoCat]

Here’s my overall take:

Last years team would have lost by a larger margin to this Oregon squad.

I don’t really take anything away from this for MSU other than Lamson to Dowler should be fun to watch, and that Lanning seems to have by far the most physical team of his four at Oregon. Their D-Line was manhandling an otherwise excellent FSC Bobcat OL.

Throw it away and prepare for a very winnable game at home next week against a now rival.

1. So now we have to degrade last year's team to "feel good" about getting thumped. With absolutely no explanation. Nice...
2. Do we know the line is excellent? We have 3 pretty much new starters and two guys out of position. Maybe this line was hearing a little too much how great they were and needed a little humble pie. Not being able to run at all is not a good look. They actually surprised me a little on the pass side, I thought that was kind of our weakness last year.

[VimSince03]

So....are we going to talk about the 1st half punting? Actually was great Colby got settled in later. But yikes did that not help our D.

[TomCat88]

Here’s my overall take:

Last years team would have lost by a larger margin to this Oregon squad.

I don’t really take anything away from this for MSU other than Lamson to Dowler should be fun to watch, and that Lanning seems to have by far the most physical team of his four at Oregon. Their D-Line was manhandling an otherwise excellent FSC Bobcat OL.

Throw it away and prepare for a very winnable game at home next week against a now rival.

1. So now we have to degrade last year's team to "feel good" about getting thumped. With absolutely no explanation. Nice...
2. Do we know the line is excellent? We have 3 pretty much new starters and two guys out of position. Maybe this line was hearing a little too much how great they were and needed a little humble pie. Not being able to run at all is not a good look. They actually surprised me a little on the pass side, I thought that was kind of our weakness last year.

May not have run blocked well but they pass blocked well enough to allow for 23 completions on 31 attempts. Msu fans either have to credit the line or Lamson for that. Almost all of the receptions were routine so it isn’t like Lamson was getting bailed out by his receivers a lot.

[TomCat88]

So....are we going to talk about the 1st half punting? Actually was great Colby got settled in later. But yikes did that not help our D.

First, you have to decide if Oregon was actually going after the punter. If not, then it’s a concern.

I think they were and that’s showing MSU some respect. Or it was from fear of a repeat of the Idaho game.

Fans also need to keep in mind Oregon was still stinging from being thumped by Ohio State. Down 34-0 at one point.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Here’s my overall take:

Last years team would have lost by a larger margin to this Oregon squad.

I don’t really take anything away from this for MSU other than Lamson to Dowler should be fun to watch, and that Lanning seems to have by far the most physical team of his four at Oregon. Their D-Line was manhandling an otherwise excellent FSC Bobcat OL.

Throw it away and prepare for a very winnable game at home next week against a now rival.

1. So now we have to degrade last year's team to "feel good" about getting thumped. With absolutely no explanation. Nice...
2. Do we know the line is excellent? We have 3 pretty much new starters and two guys out of position. Maybe this line was hearing a little too much how great they were and needed a little humble pie. Not being able to run at all is not a good look. They actually surprised me a little on the pass side, I thought that was kind of our weakness last year.

What part was degrading last years team? It was just meant as a point of comparison. As in, despite losing by a lot, this team can still be a title contender. Don’t look for insults that aren’t there.

[SparkCat]

Here’s my overall take:

Last years team would have lost by a larger margin to this Oregon squad.

I don’t really take anything away from this for MSU other than Lamson to Dowler should be fun to watch, and that Lanning seems to have by far the most physical team of his four at Oregon. Their D-Line was manhandling an otherwise excellent FSC Bobcat OL.

Throw it away and prepare for a very winnable game at home next week against a now rival.

1. So now we have to degrade last year's team to "feel good" about getting thumped. With absolutely no explanation. Nice...
2. Do we know the line is excellent? We have 3 pretty much new starters and two guys out of position. Maybe this line was hearing a little too much how great they were and needed a little humble pie. Not being able to run at all is not a good look. They actually surprised me a little on the pass side, I thought that was kind of our weakness last year.

I’ll address point 2 from my simple perspective. No FCS team and only the Ducks direct peers will be able to push their lines around. Same thing happens when we play low tier FCS or D2 teams, I understand that even then they have some diamonds in the rough and have decent runs or sneak one by our guys, so why can’t we do the same? Because their defensive line were the top 1% of athletes, heck some of them didn’t even look like down linemen, they looked like NFL linebackers. When their tightend is 6’3”, 245 lbs, runs 23 mph and can bench over 400, imagine what their ‘big guys’ can do.