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TomCat88
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by TomCat88 » Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:33 pm
tetoncat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:26 pm
TomCat88 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:24 pm
WSUWILDCAT wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:41 am
You stop our running game and you stop us. I haven't seen anything from this team yet that I can confidently say our passing game could pick up the slack.
I hate to say it but I dont see us winning this one. I think our defense can keep the score low (they only allowed 24 points to Utah) but I dont think our offense overall can give them the help they will need. Very low scoring game but I believe the bobcats pull away late for a 20-10 win.
This is a great analysis imo. Not only is Weber struggling throwing the ball, but MSU is night and day from last year in the secondary. Both corners and safeties are improved and deeper. Okada hard to replace at nickel but isn’t a full time secondary position.
Weber is tough at home on defense and MSU is struggling to find or re-find its identity on offense.
Last year the OL was the story, this year it might be the secondary or entire defense.
Why do you say they haven't found their identity on offense?
Because I’ve heard a few good critics say that they “aren’t running their stuff” which tells me that they’re searching for something and aren’t where they want to be yet. And some of the things Vigen says feeds into that.
When I say “say” I mean they’re bewildered by this.
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by wbtfg » Wed Sep 20, 2023 3:15 pm
Huge o/u of 66.5 on SBMT. MSU is a 3.5pt favorite putting the implied total at 35-31.5.
Curious if @WSUWILDCAT also thinks that's a really high total?
Edit: it's actually 65.5, but still.....
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by catatac » Wed Sep 20, 2023 3:39 pm
TomCat88 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:33 pm
tetoncat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:26 pm
TomCat88 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:24 pm
WSUWILDCAT wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:41 am
You stop our running game and you stop us. I haven't seen anything from this team yet that I can confidently say our passing game could pick up the slack.
I hate to say it but I dont see us winning this one. I think our defense can keep the score low (they only allowed 24 points to Utah) but I dont think our offense overall can give them the help they will need. Very low scoring game but I believe the bobcats pull away late for a 20-10 win.
This is a great analysis imo. Not only is Weber struggling throwing the ball, but MSU is night and day from last year in the secondary. Both corners and safeties are improved and deeper. Okada hard to replace at nickel but isn’t a full time secondary position.
Weber is tough at home on defense and MSU is struggling to find or re-find its identity on offense.
Last year the OL was the story, this year it might be the secondary or entire defense.
Why do you say they haven't found their identity on offense?
Because I’ve heard a few good critics say that they “aren’t running their stuff” which tells me that they’re searching for something and aren’t where they want to be yet. And some of the things Vigen says feeds into that.
When I say “say” I mean they’re bewildered by this.
I'm guessing this has to do with projected top three receivers, and Tommy, being out. That's probably an entirely different offensive identity with none of those players in the game.
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by MSU01 » Wed Sep 20, 2023 3:41 pm
wbtfg wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 3:15 pm
Huge o/u of 66.5 on SBMT. MSU is a 3.5pt favorite putting the implied total at 35-31.5.
Curious if @WSUWILDCAT also thinks that's a really high total?
Edit: it's actually 65.5, but still.....
The under bet seems like easy money with that line, which based on my limited sports wagering experience of course means that the final score will end up something like 76-74 after 8 OTs.
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by tdub » Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:01 pm
TomCat88 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:24 pm
WSUWILDCAT wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:41 am
You stop our running game and you stop us. I haven't seen anything from this team yet that I can confidently say our passing game could pick up the slack.
I hate to say it but I dont see us winning this one. I think our defense can keep the score low (they only allowed 24 points to Utah) but I dont think our offense overall can give them the help they will need. Very low scoring game but I believe the bobcats pull away late for a 20-10 win.
This is a great analysis imo. Not only is Weber struggling throwing the ball, but MSU is night and day from last year in the secondary. Both corners and safeties are improved and deeper. Okada hard to replace at nickel but isn’t a full time secondary position.
Weber is tough at home on defense and MSU is struggling to find or re-find its identity on offense.
Last year the OL was the story, this year it might be the secondary or entire defense. Not 100% sold on that yet but the SDSU performance was a good start.
So do you think this is the week they use more traditional 4-3 instead of the 4-2-5 they most often play? Especially with Dowler out, do you want Price being in there for a ton of run support vs. McCade? Seems like a good week to go that direction.
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by RockyBearCat » Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:13 pm
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by TomCat88 » Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:16 pm
tdub wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:01 pm
TomCat88 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:24 pm
WSUWILDCAT wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:41 am
You stop our running game and you stop us. I haven't seen anything from this team yet that I can confidently say our passing game could pick up the slack.
I hate to say it but I dont see us winning this one. I think our defense can keep the score low (they only allowed 24 points to Utah) but I dont think our offense overall can give them the help they will need. Very low scoring game but I believe the bobcats pull away late for a 20-10 win.
This is a great analysis imo. Not only is Weber struggling throwing the ball, but MSU is night and day from last year in the secondary. Both corners and safeties are improved and deeper. Okada hard to replace at nickel but isn’t a full time secondary position.
Weber is tough at home on defense and MSU is struggling to find or re-find its identity on offense.
Last year the OL was the story, this year it might be the secondary or entire defense. Not 100% sold on that yet but the SDSU performance was a good start.
So do you think this is the week they use more traditional 4-3 instead of the 4-2-5 they most often play? Especially with Dowler out, do you want Price being in there for a ton of run support vs. McCade? Seems like a good week to go that direction.
No, I think they'll stick with the 4-2-5. You never know. I don't know how much they practice the 4-3 or if they even do.
I thought Aiden Parks would be at nickel with Price, Jr. vs Stetson. I think Price will play that spot solo for the most part. He left the game vs Stetson and never returned but there's no mention of him not playing. I think he can handle it if he's 100%. The first two games showed they're fairly even as it turns out after Vigen had said that Dowler was more the run guy and Price was more the pass coverage guy. I just thought Parks would be there because he was mentioned in spring or fall (?) as a contender. He's very good on STs cover teams but that doesn't always mean anyone is a lock for a defensive spot.
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by tdub » Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:18 pm
TomCat88 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:16 pm
tdub wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:01 pm
TomCat88 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:24 pm
WSUWILDCAT wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:41 am
You stop our running game and you stop us. I haven't seen anything from this team yet that I can confidently say our passing game could pick up the slack.
I hate to say it but I dont see us winning this one. I think our defense can keep the score low (they only allowed 24 points to Utah) but I dont think our offense overall can give them the help they will need. Very low scoring game but I believe the bobcats pull away late for a 20-10 win.
This is a great analysis imo. Not only is Weber struggling throwing the ball, but MSU is night and day from last year in the secondary. Both corners and safeties are improved and deeper. Okada hard to replace at nickel but isn’t a full time secondary position.
Weber is tough at home on defense and MSU is struggling to find or re-find its identity on offense.
Last year the OL was the story, this year it might be the secondary or entire defense. Not 100% sold on that yet but the SDSU performance was a good start.
So do you think this is the week they use more traditional 4-3 instead of the 4-2-5 they most often play? Especially with Dowler out, do you want Price being in there for a ton of run support vs. McCade? Seems like a good week to go that direction.
No, I think they'll stick with the 4-2-5. You never know. I don't know how much they practice the 4-3 or if they even do.
I thought Aiden Parks would be at nickel with Price, Jr. vs Stetson. I think Price will play that spot solo for the most part. He left the game vs Stetson and never returned but there's no mention of him not playing. I think he can handle it if he's 100%. The first two games showed they're fairly even as it turns out after Vigen had said that Dowler was more the run guy and Price was more the pass coverage guy. I just thought Parks would be there because he was mentioned in spring or fall (?) as a contender. He's very good on STs cover teams but that doesn't always mean anyone is a lock for a defensive spot.
Maybe it’s my senility setting in, but I could’ve sworn there have been a couple packages in with 3 LBs, probably during SDSU. Not frequent, but did happen (I think). With guys as athletic as McCade, seems like in run-heavy situations, he could play that ‘nickel’ spot without schematically changing much of anything.
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by St George » Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:41 pm
In our first three games Montana State has lacked the Holy Crap what the F are they going to do factor that they have when Mellot and Chambers and a running back are in the backfield at the same time.
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by TheBigCat » Wed Sep 20, 2023 8:40 pm
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by Common Cat » Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:10 pm
Buy or sell we see Jordan Reed play.
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by wbtfg » Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:18 pm
Common Cat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:10 pm
Buy or sell we see Jordan Reed play.
Sell
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by Montanabob » Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:19 pm
wbtfg wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:18 pm
Common Cat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:10 pm
Buy or sell we see Jordan Reed play.
Sell
BUY
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by GoldstoneCat » Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:34 pm
Common Cat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:10 pm
Buy or sell we see Jordan Reed play.
Sell.
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by CatBot » Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:02 pm
Common Cat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:10 pm
Buy or sell we see Jordan Reed play.
Buy
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by CodyCat » Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:02 am
Common Cat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:10 pm
Buy or sell we see Jordan Reed play.
BUY!!!!
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by thefrank1 » Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:36 am
Common Cat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:10 pm
Buy or sell we see Jordan Reed play.
Definite BUY. We need all the experience we can get at QB.
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by MT2AK_CAT » Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:48 am
I predict after a 7 hour drive from Colorado to Ogden on Saturday I will be ready for some cold beer and a Bobcat win!
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by TomCat88 » Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:52 am
tdub wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:18 pm
TomCat88 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:16 pm
tdub wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:01 pm
TomCat88 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:24 pm
WSUWILDCAT wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:41 am
You stop our running game and you stop us. I haven't seen anything from this team yet that I can confidently say our passing game could pick up the slack.
I hate to say it but I dont see us winning this one. I think our defense can keep the score low (they only allowed 24 points to Utah) but I dont think our offense overall can give them the help they will need. Very low scoring game but I believe the bobcats pull away late for a 20-10 win.
This is a great analysis imo. Not only is Weber struggling throwing the ball, but MSU is night and day from last year in the secondary. Both corners and safeties are improved and deeper. Okada hard to replace at nickel but isn’t a full time secondary position.
Weber is tough at home on defense and MSU is struggling to find or re-find its identity on offense.
Last year the OL was the story, this year it might be the secondary or entire defense. Not 100% sold on that yet but the SDSU performance was a good start.
So do you think this is the week they use more traditional 4-3 instead of the 4-2-5 they most often play? Especially with Dowler out, do you want Price being in there for a ton of run support vs. McCade? Seems like a good week to go that direction.
No, I think they'll stick with the 4-2-5. You never know. I don't know how much they practice the 4-3 or if they even do.
I thought Aiden Parks would be at nickel with Price, Jr. vs Stetson. I think Price will play that spot solo for the most part. He left the game vs Stetson and never returned but there's no mention of him not playing. I think he can handle it if he's 100%. The first two games showed they're fairly even as it turns out after Vigen had said that Dowler was more the run guy and Price was more the pass coverage guy. I just thought Parks would be there because he was mentioned in spring or fall (?) as a contender. He's very good on STs cover teams but that doesn't always mean anyone is a lock for a defensive spot.
Maybe it’s my senility setting in, but I could’ve sworn there have been a couple packages in with 3 LBs, probably during SDSU. Not frequent, but did happen (I think). With guys as athletic as McCade, seems like in run-heavy situations, he could play that ‘nickel’ spot without schematically changing much of anything.
I doubt you’re going senile! Lol. If you saw it, then it probably happened. I’m not always paying attention to that. I don’t recall any coaches or players referring to the 4-3.
Coaches always say every team is different from year to year. It’s one of those things that goes in one ear and out the other. Like depth. Most fans and media don’t find those subjects interesting. But the identity of a team, like depth, is very important. Just like a player has to learn what they do well so does a team. It can change from year to year easily. Things that didn’t work, work better or vice versa.
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by CodyCat » Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:14 pm
MT2AK_CAT wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:48 am
I predict after a 7 hour drive from Colorado to Ogden on Saturday I will be ready for some cold beer and a Bobcat win!
Id recommend you bring beer from CO or WY before crossing over into Utah.
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