Malik Mullins hits the Portal

[BelligerentBobcat]

Smith and Brown left because they wanted to play in an offense that throws the ball more, and was closer to home.

Smith was starting before he left MSU.

[VimSince03]

Well, alright. To be honest I wasn't entirely sure why he signed here, but with two FBS dropdowns on the way this isn't surprising.

Not surprising and not the last to leave that room. MSU has put the writing on the wall the last 2 years as to what the plan is moving forward in terms of bringing in FBS transfers and plugging them into starting roles. I’m not saying its a bad plan just making a statement.

The flip side of that is coaches know what they are looking at for performance in each WR position. If player doesn't show the progression to do those things, they will fill role with experienced player that can.

I get what your saying but progression and coaching go hand in hand. Its called development. Brown & Smith both seemed to show progression and developed just fine in other programs. This just seems like a quick fix MO over the past couple of years.

I'll bite on this! And yes my response is going to be long because I need to keep combating this narrative that this coaching staff isn't developing talent at WR.

You are picking and choosing your players here. For one, you would be hard pressed not to find transfer WRs on every college football team each year so this isn't something that only MSU is doing. Your stance is that FBS, or transfers in general, are GIVEN starting jobs over WR's being developed on the roster which is just wrong. Ravi Alston was an All-American DIII transfer who beat out his competition in the spring and was one of the best blockers I've ever seen at WR on the perimeter. Our team doesn't run the ball as well as it did on the perimeter if it wasn't for Alston and Snell. I know Jaden Smith had a great year at Tarleton State but he lost the job to Ravi in the spring in a very fair competition. Clevan Thomas was brought in because our slot options going into the year was a true freshman in Taco Dowler (a tall ask for a true frosh) and Thomas started at a SEC program. If you watched the SDSU game, Clevan is clearly going to be the #1 WR next year. But based on your previous posts, you believe Clevan took snaps away from Taco and Christian Anaya (who redshirted last year...because the coaching staff wanted to develop him more physically).

Willie Patterson DEVELOPED under Justin Udy and had his best year his senior season last fall after a decent junior year. He chose to embrace this coaching staff. Charles Brown was given opportunities in his first and only year under Vigen and produced mixed results and dealt with injuries. He chose to embrace another coaching staff after spring ball. For anyone who watched the spring game in 2022, I certainly didn't see a starting WR in Charles Brown. I saw a younger player who still needed to develop in several areas of playing the position. But he didn't want to develop, he wanted to start...get my point here?

This coaching staff has brought in the following receivers since 2021 (keep in mind Vigen came on board after Choate signed the 2021 recruiting class):

2021: Cam Gardner - transferred as a sophomore from Utah. Focused on academics after his 2021 season. He made the two deep.
2022: Ravi Alston - DIII All-American transfer
2022: Clevan Thomas - Kentucky transfer
2022: Malik Mullins - CC transfer as a sophomore
2022: Marqui Johnson - Sac State transfer
2022: Christian Anaya - true freshman (scholarship)
2022: Taco Dowler - true freshman (scholarship)
2022: Dylan Snyder - true freshman (pwo)
2022: Zachary Dodson-Green - true freshman (pwo)

WRs signed by previous coaching staff on Vigen's 2021 or 2022 rosters:

2021/2022: Coy Steel - Willie Patterson beat him out in 2021 for slot duties but he was in the rotation. Had a gruesome injury halfway through 2021 but battled back.
2021: Charles Brown - true freshman during COVID-19. Made the two-deep and was in the rotation against Wyoming. Hit the injury bug but lost opportunities to Willie Patterson and true frosh Andrew Patterson from the slot after he came back. Famously tripped a fan running on the field one game.
2021: Jamahd Monroe - flirted with the two-deep but just never got the opportunities as a redshirt freshman due to the players ahead of him.
2021: Nate Stewart - transfer from Akron slated to be in the rotation with Jaden Smith in the fall after a solid spring but an injury kept him out most of the season. Returned and was a star in the playoff run.
2021/2022: Willie Patterson - blossomed under Vigen/Housewright/Udy and DEVELOPED into one of MSU's best players in 2022.
2021: Tanner Trafton - retired due to injuries.
2021/2022: Jaden Smith - earned starting honors under the new coaching staff in Spring 2021. Lance McCutcheon took away most of his opportunities but when given them Jaden and his QBs never got on the same page. Plenty of talent there and this was a transfer that no one wanted to see happen including the coaching staff. Ravi Alston was brought in to push him and Ravi to his credit had a really good spring when in competition with Jaden. Glad Jaden had a productive year at his new school but saying this coaching staff didn't want to develop him is dead wrong.
2021: Andrew Patterson - earned more time after Coy Steel and Charles Brown had injuries then beat out Charles Brown for two-deep honors from the slot position. Andrew was one of the star true freshman in 2021 but like Cam Gardner he needed to step away from the team to focus on school in 2022. No idea what his future holds but another player the coaches were unafraid to throw into the rotation as a true freshman much like Taco Dowler in 2022.
2021: Logan Kleinhans - could never quite crack the two-deep and left the team after his redshirt sophomore season.
2021: Peyton Hanser - could never make the two-deep at outside receiver but played special teams. Decided to forgo his final year of eligibility in 2022 and graduated.
2021/2022: Aidan Garrigan - earned rave reviews as a scout receiver his freshman year and had a solid spring in 2022. Cracked the two-deep but never really played over the Top 4-5 receivers in the rotation last year. However, Aidan is bragged about a bunch by this coaching staff and he has a real shot of earning starting honors his redshirt sophomore season and will compete with transfers Ty McCullough and Lonyetta Alexander at outside receiver. Regardless, Aidan is making a name for himself due to his willingness to play special teams and his trust in his DEVELOPMENT with this coaching staff.
2021: Lance McCutcheon - turned in one of the greatest WR seasons in Bobcat history and is now in the NFL. Went through a developmental roller coaster under Jeff Choate but finally broke through his senior season. Some say Choate's staff should take credit for Lance, others say it was Vigen's offense that opened up his opportunities...but I say it was Lance McCutcheon who turned himself into a star by trusting in the process.

Alright so what is the takeaway here! We have younger receivers developing on the roster in that redshirt freshman/sophomore range and have brought in FBS and JUCO transfers to fill in age & talent gaps. Players that weren't brought in by this coaching staff have either left due to their role/playing time, graduated/retired, or stayed and embraced their role. You stated this coaching staff's MO is to bring in transfers instead of developing players but we've yet to see any of their freshman recruits from 2022 even develop yet?! Actually, the only recruit this staff brought in that has left is Malik Mullins...a transfer. They aren't afraid to play young players if they can compete as Taco had an increased role as the year went along in 2022. The rest of the young players are arguably on schedule with where they SHOULD be at this point in their college careers. Lonyatta Alexander and Ty McCulloch are FBS transfers brought in to help the team win. Again, here was my expected two-deep going into the spring:

X Receiver

Aidan Garrigan - 6'3", 205 lbs. (RSo.)
/Lonyatta Alexander Jr. - 6'1", 200 lbs. (Jr.)
Malik Mullins - 6'3", 190 lbs. (So.)

H Receiver

Taco Dowler - 5'9", 170 lbs. (So.)
Marqui Johnson - 5'8", 165 lbs. (Jr.)

Z Receiver

Clevan Thomas - 5'11", 195 lbs. (GSr.)
Ty McCulloch - 6'1", 180 lbs. (Sr.)
/Christian Anaya - 6'1", 175 lbs. (RFr.)

Now that Malik has transferred, that just opens up more opportunities for Christian Anaya and a swath of young talent (freshman or sophomores) ready to step up and show they can compete. I don't want to keep harping on a few opinions I disagree with but my goodness WAY too much is being made of WR's who have transferred since the Spring of 2022. The only transfer I didn't like to see go was Jaden Smith but he was challenged last spring, lost a competition, and decided to leave to be the guy somewhere else (which he was). As fans we want to see every young recruit develop but that isn't realistic as the goal of most programs recruiting strategy is to try to find a player the next year to replace you. Competition is a good thing but also leads to more attrition at certain positions than others and usually WR is that position.

[PapaG]

Taco Dowler needs the ball in his hands more often in space. Two punt return TDs as a true freshman is insane and he should be an all-time Bobcat if used correctly. You can’t teach that wiggle and burst.

[ThoughtUKnew14]

Well, alright. To be honest I wasn't entirely sure why he signed here, but with two FBS dropdowns on the way this isn't surprising.

Not surprising and not the last to leave that room. MSU has put the writing on the wall the last 2 years as to what the plan is moving forward in terms of bringing in FBS transfers and plugging them into starting roles. I’m not saying its a bad plan just making a statement.

The flip side of that is coaches know what they are looking at for performance in each WR position. If player doesn't show the progression to do those things, they will fill role with experienced player that can.

I get what your saying but progression and coaching go hand in hand. Its called development. Brown & Smith both seemed to show progression and developed just fine in other programs. This just seems like a quick fix MO over the past couple of years.

I'll bite on this! And yes my response is going to be long because I need to keep combating this narrative that this coaching staff isn't developing talent at WR.

You are picking and choosing your players here. For one, you would be hard pressed not to find transfer WRs on every college football team each year so this isn't something that only MSU is doing. Your stance is that FBS, or transfers in general, are GIVEN starting jobs over WR's being developed on the roster which is just wrong. Ravi Alston was an All-American DIII transfer who beat out his competition in the spring and was one of the best blockers I've ever seen at WR on the perimeter. Our team doesn't run the ball as well as it did on the perimeter if it wasn't for Alston and Snell. I know Jaden Smith had a great year at Tarleton State but he lost the job to Ravi in the spring in a very fair competition. Clevan Thomas was brought in because our slot options going into the year was a true freshman in Taco Dowler (a tall ask for a true frosh) and Thomas started at a SEC program. If you watched the SDSU game, Clevan is clearly going to be the #1 WR next year. But based on your previous posts, you believe Clevan took snaps away from Taco and Christian Anaya (who redshirted last year...because the coaching staff wanted to develop him more physically).

Willie Patterson DEVELOPED under Justin Udy and had his best year his senior season last fall after a decent junior year. He chose to embrace this coaching staff. Charles Brown was given opportunities in his first and only year under Vigen and produced mixed results and dealt with injuries. He chose to embrace another coaching staff after spring ball. For anyone who watched the spring game in 2022, I certainly didn't see a starting WR in Charles Brown. I saw a younger player who still needed to develop in several areas of playing the position. But he didn't want to develop, he wanted to start...get my point here?

This coaching staff has brought in the following receivers since 2021 (keep in mind Vigen came on board after Choate signed the 2021 recruiting class):

2021: Cam Gardner - transferred as a sophomore from Utah. Focused on academics after his 2021 season. He made the two deep.
2022: Ravi Alston - DIII All-American transfer
2022: Clevan Thomas - Kentucky transfer
2022: Malik Mullins - CC transfer as a sophomore
2022: Marqui Johnson - Sac State transfer
2022: Christian Anaya - true freshman (scholarship)
2022: Taco Dowler - true freshman (scholarship)
2022: Dylan Snyder - true freshman (pwo)
2022: Zachary Dodson-Green - true freshman (pwo)

WRs signed by previous coaching staff on Vigen's 2021 or 2022 rosters:

2021/2022: Coy Steel - Willie Patterson beat him out in 2021 for slot duties but he was in the rotation. Had a gruesome injury halfway through 2021 but battled back.
2021: Charles Brown - true freshman during COVID-19. Made the two-deep and was in the rotation against Wyoming. Hit the injury bug but lost opportunities to Willie Patterson and true frosh Andrew Patterson from the slot after he came back. Famously tripped a fan running on the field one game.
2021: Jamahd Monroe - flirted with the two-deep but just never got the opportunities as a redshirt freshman due to the players ahead of him.
2021: Nate Stewart - transfer from Akron slated to be in the rotation with Jaden Smith in the fall after a solid spring but an injury kept him out most of the season. Returned and was a star in the playoff run.
2021/2022: Willie Patterson - blossomed under Vigen/Housewright/Udy and DEVELOPED into one of MSU's best players in 2022.
2021: Tanner Trafton - retired due to injuries.
2021/2022: Jaden Smith - earned starting honors under the new coaching staff in Spring 2021. Lance McCutcheon took away most of his opportunities but when given them Jaden and his QBs never got on the same page. Plenty of talent there and this was a transfer that no one wanted to see happen including the coaching staff. Ravi Alston was brought in to push him and Ravi to his credit had a really good spring when in competition with Jaden. Glad Jaden had a productive year at his new school but saying this coaching staff didn't want to develop him is dead wrong.
2021: Andrew Patterson - earned more time after Coy Steel and Charles Brown had injuries then beat out Charles Brown for two-deep honors from the slot position. Andrew was one of the star true freshman in 2021 but like Cam Gardner he needed to step away from the team to focus on school in 2022. No idea what his future holds but another player the coaches were unafraid to throw into the rotation as a true freshman much like Taco Dowler in 2022.
2021: Logan Kleinhans - could never quite crack the two-deep and left the team after his redshirt sophomore season.
2021: Peyton Hanser - could never make the two-deep at outside receiver but played special teams. Decided to forgo his final year of eligibility in 2022 and graduated.
2021/2022: Aidan Garrigan - earned rave reviews as a scout receiver his freshman year and had a solid spring in 2022. Cracked the two-deep but never really played over the Top 4-5 receivers in the rotation last year. However, Aidan is bragged about a bunch by this coaching staff and he has a real shot of earning starting honors his redshirt sophomore season and will compete with transfers Ty McCullough and Lonyetta Alexander at outside receiver. Regardless, Aidan is making a name for himself due to his willingness to play special teams and his trust in his DEVELOPMENT with this coaching staff.
2021: Lance McCutcheon - turned in one of the greatest WR seasons in Bobcat history and is now in the NFL. Went through a developmental roller coaster under Jeff Choate but finally broke through his senior season. Some say Choate's staff should take credit for Lance, others say it was Vigen's offense that opened up his opportunities...but I say it was Lance McCutcheon who turned himself into a star by trusting in the process.

Alright so what is the takeaway here! We have younger receivers developing on the roster in that redshirt freshman/sophomore range and have brought in FBS and JUCO transfers to fill in age & talent gaps. Players that weren't brought in by this coaching staff have either left due to their role/playing time, graduated/retired, or stayed and embraced their role. You stated this coaching staff's MO is to bring in transfers instead of developing players but we've yet to see any of their freshman recruits from 2022 even develop yet?! Actually, the only recruit this staff brought in that has left is Malik Mullins...a transfer. They aren't afraid to play young players if they can compete as Taco had an increased role as the year went along in 2022. The rest of the young players are arguably on schedule with where they SHOULD be at this point in their college careers. Lonyatta Alexander and Ty McCulloch are FBS transfers brought in to help the team win. Again, here was my expected two-deep going into the spring:

X Receiver

Aidan Garrigan - 6'3", 205 lbs. (RSo.)
/Lonyatta Alexander Jr. - 6'1", 200 lbs. (Jr.)
Malik Mullins - 6'3", 190 lbs. (So.)

H Receiver

Taco Dowler - 5'9", 170 lbs. (So.)
Marqui Johnson - 5'8", 165 lbs. (Jr.)

Z Receiver

Clevan Thomas - 5'11", 195 lbs. (GSr.)
Ty McCulloch - 6'1", 180 lbs. (Sr.)
/Christian Anaya - 6'1", 175 lbs. (RFr.)

Now that Malik has transferred, that just opens up more opportunities for Christian Anaya and a swath of young talent (freshman or sophomores) ready to step up and show they can compete. I don't want to keep harping on a few opinions I disagree with but my goodness WAY too much is being made of WR's who have transferred since the Spring of 2022. The only transfer I didn't like to see go was Jaden Smith but he was challenged last spring, lost a competition, and decided to leave to be the guy somewhere else (which he was). As fans we want to see every young recruit develop but that isn't realistic as the goal of most programs recruiting strategy is to try to find a player the next year to replace you. Competition is a good thing but also leads to more attrition at certain positions than others and usually WR is that position.

Dude, I haven’t read that much since college and I’m not about to start tonight as I have Valentines Day plans with my GF & Wife ….

I’ll catch up with you tomorrow.

[Bobcat4Ever]

Or they showed progression at other schools because of their development here. Or the other WR's on the other teams weren't that good. Or they didn't like the weather. Or...

…maybe they wanted to play on teams that had a passing attack that was used more often and not just to spread the field for the running game. Unless a receiver wants to block a lot (fortunately we have some that really get after it) and occasionally try to make a big pass play, MSU probably isn't the place for them. I truly believe that the game plan has a lot to do with the transfers occurring. Tanner Bleskin or Mitchell Herbert wouldn’t be getting the action that they did.

[Bobcat4Ever]

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[BelligerentBobcat]

Well, alright. To be honest I wasn't entirely sure why he signed here, but with two FBS dropdowns on the way this isn't surprising.

Not surprising and not the last to leave that room. MSU has put the writing on the wall the last 2 years as to what the plan is moving forward in terms of bringing in FBS transfers and plugging them into starting roles. I’m not saying its a bad plan just making a statement.

The flip side of that is coaches know what they are looking at for performance in each WR position. If player doesn't show the progression to do those things, they will fill role with experienced player that can.

I get what your saying but progression and coaching go hand in hand. Its called development. Brown & Smith both seemed to show progression and developed just fine in other programs. This just seems like a quick fix MO over the past couple of years.

I'll bite on this! And yes my response is going to be long because I need to keep combating this narrative that this coaching staff isn't developing talent at WR.

You are picking and choosing your players here. For one, you would be hard pressed not to find transfer WRs on every college football team each year so this isn't something that only MSU is doing. Your stance is that FBS, or transfers in general, are GIVEN starting jobs over WR's being developed on the roster which is just wrong. Ravi Alston was an All-American DIII transfer who beat out his competition in the spring and was one of the best blockers I've ever seen at WR on the perimeter. Our team doesn't run the ball as well as it did on the perimeter if it wasn't for Alston and Snell. I know Jaden Smith had a great year at Tarleton State but he lost the job to Ravi in the spring in a very fair competition. Clevan Thomas was brought in because our slot options going into the year was a true freshman in Taco Dowler (a tall ask for a true frosh) and Thomas started at a SEC program. If you watched the SDSU game, Clevan is clearly going to be the #1 WR next year. But based on your previous posts, you believe Clevan took snaps away from Taco and Christian Anaya (who redshirted last year...because the coaching staff wanted to develop him more physically).

Willie Patterson DEVELOPED under Justin Udy and had his best year his senior season last fall after a decent junior year. He chose to embrace this coaching staff. Charles Brown was given opportunities in his first and only year under Vigen and produced mixed results and dealt with injuries. He chose to embrace another coaching staff after spring ball. For anyone who watched the spring game in 2022, I certainly didn't see a starting WR in Charles Brown. I saw a younger player who still needed to develop in several areas of playing the position. But he didn't want to develop, he wanted to start...get my point here?

This coaching staff has brought in the following receivers since 2021 (keep in mind Vigen came on board after Choate signed the 2021 recruiting class):

2021: Cam Gardner - transferred as a sophomore from Utah. Focused on academics after his 2021 season. He made the two deep.
2022: Ravi Alston - DIII All-American transfer
2022: Clevan Thomas - Kentucky transfer
2022: Malik Mullins - CC transfer as a sophomore
2022: Marqui Johnson - Sac State transfer
2022: Christian Anaya - true freshman (scholarship)
2022: Taco Dowler - true freshman (scholarship)
2022: Dylan Snyder - true freshman (pwo)
2022: Zachary Dodson-Green - true freshman (pwo)

WRs signed by previous coaching staff on Vigen's 2021 or 2022 rosters:

2021/2022: Coy Steel - Willie Patterson beat him out in 2021 for slot duties but he was in the rotation. Had a gruesome injury halfway through 2021 but battled back.
2021: Charles Brown - true freshman during COVID-19. Made the two-deep and was in the rotation against Wyoming. Hit the injury bug but lost opportunities to Willie Patterson and true frosh Andrew Patterson from the slot after he came back. Famously tripped a fan running on the field one game.
2021: Jamahd Monroe - flirted with the two-deep but just never got the opportunities as a redshirt freshman due to the players ahead of him.
2021: Nate Stewart - transfer from Akron slated to be in the rotation with Jaden Smith in the fall after a solid spring but an injury kept him out most of the season. Returned and was a star in the playoff run.
2021/2022: Willie Patterson - blossomed under Vigen/Housewright/Udy and DEVELOPED into one of MSU's best players in 2022.
2021: Tanner Trafton - retired due to injuries.
2021/2022: Jaden Smith - earned starting honors under the new coaching staff in Spring 2021. Lance McCutcheon took away most of his opportunities but when given them Jaden and his QBs never got on the same page. Plenty of talent there and this was a transfer that no one wanted to see happen including the coaching staff. Ravi Alston was brought in to push him and Ravi to his credit had a really good spring when in competition with Jaden. Glad Jaden had a productive year at his new school but saying this coaching staff didn't want to develop him is dead wrong.
2021: Andrew Patterson - earned more time after Coy Steel and Charles Brown had injuries then beat out Charles Brown for two-deep honors from the slot position. Andrew was one of the star true freshman in 2021 but like Cam Gardner he needed to step away from the team to focus on school in 2022. No idea what his future holds but another player the coaches were unafraid to throw into the rotation as a true freshman much like Taco Dowler in 2022.
2021: Logan Kleinhans - could never quite crack the two-deep and left the team after his redshirt sophomore season.
2021: Peyton Hanser - could never make the two-deep at outside receiver but played special teams. Decided to forgo his final year of eligibility in 2022 and graduated.
2021/2022: Aidan Garrigan - earned rave reviews as a scout receiver his freshman year and had a solid spring in 2022. Cracked the two-deep but never really played over the Top 4-5 receivers in the rotation last year. However, Aidan is bragged about a bunch by this coaching staff and he has a real shot of earning starting honors his redshirt sophomore season and will compete with transfers Ty McCullough and Lonyetta Alexander at outside receiver. Regardless, Aidan is making a name for himself due to his willingness to play special teams and his trust in his DEVELOPMENT with this coaching staff.
2021: Lance McCutcheon - turned in one of the greatest WR seasons in Bobcat history and is now in the NFL. Went through a developmental roller coaster under Jeff Choate but finally broke through his senior season. Some say Choate's staff should take credit for Lance, others say it was Vigen's offense that opened up his opportunities...but I say it was Lance McCutcheon who turned himself into a star by trusting in the process.

Alright so what is the takeaway here! We have younger receivers developing on the roster in that redshirt freshman/sophomore range and have brought in FBS and JUCO transfers to fill in age & talent gaps. Players that weren't brought in by this coaching staff have either left due to their role/playing time, graduated/retired, or stayed and embraced their role. You stated this coaching staff's MO is to bring in transfers instead of developing players but we've yet to see any of their freshman recruits from 2022 even develop yet?! Actually, the only recruit this staff brought in that has left is Malik Mullins...a transfer. They aren't afraid to play young players if they can compete as Taco had an increased role as the year went along in 2022. The rest of the young players are arguably on schedule with where they SHOULD be at this point in their college careers. Lonyatta Alexander and Ty McCulloch are FBS transfers brought in to help the team win. Again, here was my expected two-deep going into the spring:

X Receiver

Aidan Garrigan - 6'3", 205 lbs. (RSo.)
/Lonyatta Alexander Jr. - 6'1", 200 lbs. (Jr.)
Malik Mullins - 6'3", 190 lbs. (So.)

H Receiver

Taco Dowler - 5'9", 170 lbs. (So.)
Marqui Johnson - 5'8", 165 lbs. (Jr.)

Z Receiver

Clevan Thomas - 5'11", 195 lbs. (GSr.)
Ty McCulloch - 6'1", 180 lbs. (Sr.)
/Christian Anaya - 6'1", 175 lbs. (RFr.)

Now that Malik has transferred, that just opens up more opportunities for Christian Anaya and a swath of young talent (freshman or sophomores) ready to step up and show they can compete. I don't want to keep harping on a few opinions I disagree with but my goodness WAY too much is being made of WR's who have transferred since the Spring of 2022. The only transfer I didn't like to see go was Jaden Smith but he was challenged last spring, lost a competition, and decided to leave to be the guy somewhere else (which he was). As fans we want to see every young recruit develop but that isn't realistic as the goal of most programs recruiting strategy is to try to find a player the next year to replace you. Competition is a good thing but also leads to more attrition at certain positions than others and usually WR is that position.

Dude, I haven’t read that much since college and I’m not about to start tonight as I have Valentines Day plans with my GF & Wife ….

I’ll catch up with you tomorrow.

Also known as the “I’m wrong but I ain’t gonna admit that.”

[coloradocat]

Well, alright. To be honest I wasn't entirely sure why he signed here, but with two FBS dropdowns on the way this isn't surprising.

Not surprising and not the last to leave that room. MSU has put the writing on the wall the last 2 years as to what the plan is moving forward in terms of bringing in FBS transfers and plugging them into starting roles. I’m not saying its a bad plan just making a statement.

The flip side of that is coaches know what they are looking at for performance in each WR position. If player doesn't show the progression to do those things, they will fill role with experienced player that can.

I get what your saying but progression and coaching go hand in hand. Its called development. Brown & Smith both seemed to show progression and developed just fine in other programs. This just seems like a quick fix MO over the past couple of years.

I'll bite on this! And yes my response is going to be long because I need to keep combating this narrative that this coaching staff isn't developing talent at WR.

You are picking and choosing your players here. For one, you would be hard pressed not to find transfer WRs on every college football team each year so this isn't something that only MSU is doing. Your stance is that FBS, or transfers in general, are GIVEN starting jobs over WR's being developed on the roster which is just wrong. Ravi Alston was an All-American DIII transfer who beat out his competition in the spring and was one of the best blockers I've ever seen at WR on the perimeter. Our team doesn't run the ball as well as it did on the perimeter if it wasn't for Alston and Snell. I know Jaden Smith had a great year at Tarleton State but he lost the job to Ravi in the spring in a very fair competition. Clevan Thomas was brought in because our slot options going into the year was a true freshman in Taco Dowler (a tall ask for a true frosh) and Thomas started at a SEC program. If you watched the SDSU game, Clevan is clearly going to be the #1 WR next year. But based on your previous posts, you believe Clevan took snaps away from Taco and Christian Anaya (who redshirted last year...because the coaching staff wanted to develop him more physically).

Willie Patterson DEVELOPED under Justin Udy and had his best year his senior season last fall after a decent junior year. He chose to embrace this coaching staff. Charles Brown was given opportunities in his first and only year under Vigen and produced mixed results and dealt with injuries. He chose to embrace another coaching staff after spring ball. For anyone who watched the spring game in 2022, I certainly didn't see a starting WR in Charles Brown. I saw a younger player who still needed to develop in several areas of playing the position. But he didn't want to develop, he wanted to start...get my point here?

This coaching staff has brought in the following receivers since 2021 (keep in mind Vigen came on board after Choate signed the 2021 recruiting class):

2021: Cam Gardner - transferred as a sophomore from Utah. Focused on academics after his 2021 season. He made the two deep.
2022: Ravi Alston - DIII All-American transfer
2022: Clevan Thomas - Kentucky transfer
2022: Malik Mullins - CC transfer as a sophomore
2022: Marqui Johnson - Sac State transfer
2022: Christian Anaya - true freshman (scholarship)
2022: Taco Dowler - true freshman (scholarship)
2022: Dylan Snyder - true freshman (pwo)
2022: Zachary Dodson-Green - true freshman (pwo)

WRs signed by previous coaching staff on Vigen's 2021 or 2022 rosters:

2021/2022: Coy Steel - Willie Patterson beat him out in 2021 for slot duties but he was in the rotation. Had a gruesome injury halfway through 2021 but battled back.
2021: Charles Brown - true freshman during COVID-19. Made the two-deep and was in the rotation against Wyoming. Hit the injury bug but lost opportunities to Willie Patterson and true frosh Andrew Patterson from the slot after he came back. Famously tripped a fan running on the field one game.
2021: Jamahd Monroe - flirted with the two-deep but just never got the opportunities as a redshirt freshman due to the players ahead of him.
2021: Nate Stewart - transfer from Akron slated to be in the rotation with Jaden Smith in the fall after a solid spring but an injury kept him out most of the season. Returned and was a star in the playoff run.
2021/2022: Willie Patterson - blossomed under Vigen/Housewright/Udy and DEVELOPED into one of MSU's best players in 2022.
2021: Tanner Trafton - retired due to injuries.
2021/2022: Jaden Smith - earned starting honors under the new coaching staff in Spring 2021. Lance McCutcheon took away most of his opportunities but when given them Jaden and his QBs never got on the same page. Plenty of talent there and this was a transfer that no one wanted to see happen including the coaching staff. Ravi Alston was brought in to push him and Ravi to his credit had a really good spring when in competition with Jaden. Glad Jaden had a productive year at his new school but saying this coaching staff didn't want to develop him is dead wrong.
2021: Andrew Patterson - earned more time after Coy Steel and Charles Brown had injuries then beat out Charles Brown for two-deep honors from the slot position. Andrew was one of the star true freshman in 2021 but like Cam Gardner he needed to step away from the team to focus on school in 2022. No idea what his future holds but another player the coaches were unafraid to throw into the rotation as a true freshman much like Taco Dowler in 2022.
2021: Logan Kleinhans - could never quite crack the two-deep and left the team after his redshirt sophomore season.
2021: Peyton Hanser - could never make the two-deep at outside receiver but played special teams. Decided to forgo his final year of eligibility in 2022 and graduated.
2021/2022: Aidan Garrigan - earned rave reviews as a scout receiver his freshman year and had a solid spring in 2022. Cracked the two-deep but never really played over the Top 4-5 receivers in the rotation last year. However, Aidan is bragged about a bunch by this coaching staff and he has a real shot of earning starting honors his redshirt sophomore season and will compete with transfers Ty McCullough and Lonyetta Alexander at outside receiver. Regardless, Aidan is making a name for himself due to his willingness to play special teams and his trust in his DEVELOPMENT with this coaching staff.
2021: Lance McCutcheon - turned in one of the greatest WR seasons in Bobcat history and is now in the NFL. Went through a developmental roller coaster under Jeff Choate but finally broke through his senior season. Some say Choate's staff should take credit for Lance, others say it was Vigen's offense that opened up his opportunities...but I say it was Lance McCutcheon who turned himself into a star by trusting in the process.

Alright so what is the takeaway here! We have younger receivers developing on the roster in that redshirt freshman/sophomore range and have brought in FBS and JUCO transfers to fill in age & talent gaps. Players that weren't brought in by this coaching staff have either left due to their role/playing time, graduated/retired, or stayed and embraced their role. You stated this coaching staff's MO is to bring in transfers instead of developing players but we've yet to see any of their freshman recruits from 2022 even develop yet?! Actually, the only recruit this staff brought in that has left is Malik Mullins...a transfer. They aren't afraid to play young players if they can compete as Taco had an increased role as the year went along in 2022. The rest of the young players are arguably on schedule with where they SHOULD be at this point in their college careers. Lonyatta Alexander and Ty McCulloch are FBS transfers brought in to help the team win. Again, here was my expected two-deep going into the spring:

X Receiver

Aidan Garrigan - 6'3", 205 lbs. (RSo.)
/Lonyatta Alexander Jr. - 6'1", 200 lbs. (Jr.)
Malik Mullins - 6'3", 190 lbs. (So.)

H Receiver

Taco Dowler - 5'9", 170 lbs. (So.)
Marqui Johnson - 5'8", 165 lbs. (Jr.)

Z Receiver

Clevan Thomas - 5'11", 195 lbs. (GSr.)
Ty McCulloch - 6'1", 180 lbs. (Sr.)
/Christian Anaya - 6'1", 175 lbs. (RFr.)

Now that Malik has transferred, that just opens up more opportunities for Christian Anaya and a swath of young talent (freshman or sophomores) ready to step up and show they can compete. I don't want to keep harping on a few opinions I disagree with but my goodness WAY too much is being made of WR's who have transferred since the Spring of 2022. The only transfer I didn't like to see go was Jaden Smith but he was challenged last spring, lost a competition, and decided to leave to be the guy somewhere else (which he was). As fans we want to see every young recruit develop but that isn't realistic as the goal of most programs recruiting strategy is to try to find a player the next year to replace you. Competition is a good thing but also leads to more attrition at certain positions than others and usually WR is that position.

Dude, I haven’t read that much since college and I’m not about to start tonight as I have Valentines Day plans with my GF & Wife ….

I’ll catch up with you tomorrow.

Also known as the “I’m wrong but I ain’t gonna admit that.”

Hey, if he has V-Day plans with both his GF and his wife he can't be wasting energy reading/responding to Vim's dissertation.

[PHAT CAT]

Roses are red and Violet are blue. If your man is busy on valentines day. Most likely, the side chic is you.

[cat4lyf]

Has anyone talked to Malik before? I was never able to talk to him.

[Norsky19]

Well, alright. To be honest I wasn't entirely sure why he signed here, but with two FBS dropdowns on the way this isn't surprising.

Not surprising and not the last to leave that room. MSU has put the writing on the wall the last 2 years as to what the plan is moving forward in terms of bringing in FBS transfers and plugging them into starting roles. I’m not saying its a bad plan just making a statement.

The flip side of that is coaches know what they are looking at for performance in each WR position. If player doesn't show the progression to do those things, they will fill role with experienced player that can.

I get what your saying but progression and coaching go hand in hand. Its called development. Brown & Smith both seemed to show progression and developed just fine in other programs. This just seems like a quick fix MO over the past couple of years.

I'll bite on this! And yes my response is going to be long because I need to keep combating this narrative that this coaching staff isn't developing talent at WR.

You are picking and choosing your players here. For one, you would be hard pressed not to find transfer WRs on every college football team each year so this isn't something that only MSU is doing. Your stance is that FBS, or transfers in general, are GIVEN starting jobs over WR's being developed on the roster which is just wrong. Ravi Alston was an All-American DIII transfer who beat out his competition in the spring and was one of the best blockers I've ever seen at WR on the perimeter. Our team doesn't run the ball as well as it did on the perimeter if it wasn't for Alston and Snell. I know Jaden Smith had a great year at Tarleton State but he lost the job to Ravi in the spring in a very fair competition. Clevan Thomas was brought in because our slot options going into the year was a true freshman in Taco Dowler (a tall ask for a true frosh) and Thomas started at a SEC program. If you watched the SDSU game, Clevan is clearly going to be the #1 WR next year. But based on your previous posts, you believe Clevan took snaps away from Taco and Christian Anaya (who redshirted last year...because the coaching staff wanted to develop him more physically).

Willie Patterson DEVELOPED under Justin Udy and had his best year his senior season last fall after a decent junior year. He chose to embrace this coaching staff. Charles Brown was given opportunities in his first and only year under Vigen and produced mixed results and dealt with injuries. He chose to embrace another coaching staff after spring ball. For anyone who watched the spring game in 2022, I certainly didn't see a starting WR in Charles Brown. I saw a younger player who still needed to develop in several areas of playing the position. But he didn't want to develop, he wanted to start...get my point here?

This coaching staff has brought in the following receivers since 2021 (keep in mind Vigen came on board after Choate signed the 2021 recruiting class):

2021: Cam Gardner - transferred as a sophomore from Utah. Focused on academics after his 2021 season. He made the two deep.
2022: Ravi Alston - DIII All-American transfer
2022: Clevan Thomas - Kentucky transfer
2022: Malik Mullins - CC transfer as a sophomore
2022: Marqui Johnson - Sac State transfer
2022: Christian Anaya - true freshman (scholarship)
2022: Taco Dowler - true freshman (scholarship)
2022: Dylan Snyder - true freshman (pwo)
2022: Zachary Dodson-Green - true freshman (pwo)

WRs signed by previous coaching staff on Vigen's 2021 or 2022 rosters:

2021/2022: Coy Steel - Willie Patterson beat him out in 2021 for slot duties but he was in the rotation. Had a gruesome injury halfway through 2021 but battled back.
2021: Charles Brown - true freshman during COVID-19. Made the two-deep and was in the rotation against Wyoming. Hit the injury bug but lost opportunities to Willie Patterson and true frosh Andrew Patterson from the slot after he came back. Famously tripped a fan running on the field one game.
2021: Jamahd Monroe - flirted with the two-deep but just never got the opportunities as a redshirt freshman due to the players ahead of him.
2021: Nate Stewart - transfer from Akron slated to be in the rotation with Jaden Smith in the fall after a solid spring but an injury kept him out most of the season. Returned and was a star in the playoff run.
2021/2022: Willie Patterson - blossomed under Vigen/Housewright/Udy and DEVELOPED into one of MSU's best players in 2022.
2021: Tanner Trafton - retired due to injuries.
2021/2022: Jaden Smith - earned starting honors under the new coaching staff in Spring 2021. Lance McCutcheon took away most of his opportunities but when given them Jaden and his QBs never got on the same page. Plenty of talent there and this was a transfer that no one wanted to see happen including the coaching staff. Ravi Alston was brought in to push him and Ravi to his credit had a really good spring when in competition with Jaden. Glad Jaden had a productive year at his new school but saying this coaching staff didn't want to develop him is dead wrong.
2021: Andrew Patterson - earned more time after Coy Steel and Charles Brown had injuries then beat out Charles Brown for two-deep honors from the slot position. Andrew was one of the star true freshman in 2021 but like Cam Gardner he needed to step away from the team to focus on school in 2022. No idea what his future holds but another player the coaches were unafraid to throw into the rotation as a true freshman much like Taco Dowler in 2022.
2021: Logan Kleinhans - could never quite crack the two-deep and left the team after his redshirt sophomore season.
2021: Peyton Hanser - could never make the two-deep at outside receiver but played special teams. Decided to forgo his final year of eligibility in 2022 and graduated.
2021/2022: Aidan Garrigan - earned rave reviews as a scout receiver his freshman year and had a solid spring in 2022. Cracked the two-deep but never really played over the Top 4-5 receivers in the rotation last year. However, Aidan is bragged about a bunch by this coaching staff and he has a real shot of earning starting honors his redshirt sophomore season and will compete with transfers Ty McCullough and Lonyetta Alexander at outside receiver. Regardless, Aidan is making a name for himself due to his willingness to play special teams and his trust in his DEVELOPMENT with this coaching staff.
2021: Lance McCutcheon - turned in one of the greatest WR seasons in Bobcat history and is now in the NFL. Went through a developmental roller coaster under Jeff Choate but finally broke through his senior season. Some say Choate's staff should take credit for Lance, others say it was Vigen's offense that opened up his opportunities...but I say it was Lance McCutcheon who turned himself into a star by trusting in the process.

Alright so what is the takeaway here! We have younger receivers developing on the roster in that redshirt freshman/sophomore range and have brought in FBS and JUCO transfers to fill in age & talent gaps. Players that weren't brought in by this coaching staff have either left due to their role/playing time, graduated/retired, or stayed and embraced their role. You stated this coaching staff's MO is to bring in transfers instead of developing players but we've yet to see any of their freshman recruits from 2022 even develop yet?! Actually, the only recruit this staff brought in that has left is Malik Mullins...a transfer. They aren't afraid to play young players if they can compete as Taco had an increased role as the year went along in 2022. The rest of the young players are arguably on schedule with where they SHOULD be at this point in their college careers. Lonyatta Alexander and Ty McCulloch are FBS transfers brought in to help the team win. Again, here was my expected two-deep going into the spring:

X Receiver

Aidan Garrigan - 6'3", 205 lbs. (RSo.)
/Lonyatta Alexander Jr. - 6'1", 200 lbs. (Jr.)
Malik Mullins - 6'3", 190 lbs. (So.)

H Receiver

Taco Dowler - 5'9", 170 lbs. (So.)
Marqui Johnson - 5'8", 165 lbs. (Jr.)

Z Receiver

Clevan Thomas - 5'11", 195 lbs. (GSr.)
Ty McCulloch - 6'1", 180 lbs. (Sr.)
/Christian Anaya - 6'1", 175 lbs. (RFr.)

Now that Malik has transferred, that just opens up more opportunities for Christian Anaya and a swath of young talent (freshman or sophomores) ready to step up and show they can compete. I don't want to keep harping on a few opinions I disagree with but my goodness WAY too much is being made of WR's who have transferred since the Spring of 2022. The only transfer I didn't like to see go was Jaden Smith but he was challenged last spring, lost a competition, and decided to leave to be the guy somewhere else (which he was). As fans we want to see every young recruit develop but that isn't realistic as the goal of most programs recruiting strategy is to try to find a player the next year to replace you. Competition is a good thing but also leads to more attrition at certain positions than others and usually WR is that position.

That was very thorough and informative. Your write ups are why I frequent this forum. It's almost like you're on the staff....maybe you are?

[VimSince03]

Well, alright. To be honest I wasn't entirely sure why he signed here, but with two FBS dropdowns on the way this isn't surprising.

Not surprising and not the last to leave that room. MSU has put the writing on the wall the last 2 years as to what the plan is moving forward in terms of bringing in FBS transfers and plugging them into starting roles. I’m not saying its a bad plan just making a statement.

The flip side of that is coaches know what they are looking at for performance in each WR position. If player doesn't show the progression to do those things, they will fill role with experienced player that can.

I get what your saying but progression and coaching go hand in hand. Its called development. Brown & Smith both seemed to show progression and developed just fine in other programs. This just seems like a quick fix MO over the past couple of years.

I'll bite on this! And yes my response is going to be long because I need to keep combating this narrative that this coaching staff isn't developing talent at WR.

You are picking and choosing your players here. For one, you would be hard pressed not to find transfer WRs on every college football team each year so this isn't something that only MSU is doing. Your stance is that FBS, or transfers in general, are GIVEN starting jobs over WR's being developed on the roster which is just wrong. Ravi Alston was an All-American DIII transfer who beat out his competition in the spring and was one of the best blockers I've ever seen at WR on the perimeter. Our team doesn't run the ball as well as it did on the perimeter if it wasn't for Alston and Snell. I know Jaden Smith had a great year at Tarleton State but he lost the job to Ravi in the spring in a very fair competition. Clevan Thomas was brought in because our slot options going into the year was a true freshman in Taco Dowler (a tall ask for a true frosh) and Thomas started at a SEC program. If you watched the SDSU game, Clevan is clearly going to be the #1 WR next year. But based on your previous posts, you believe Clevan took snaps away from Taco and Christian Anaya (who redshirted last year...because the coaching staff wanted to develop him more physically).

Willie Patterson DEVELOPED under Justin Udy and had his best year his senior season last fall after a decent junior year. He chose to embrace this coaching staff. Charles Brown was given opportunities in his first and only year under Vigen and produced mixed results and dealt with injuries. He chose to embrace another coaching staff after spring ball. For anyone who watched the spring game in 2022, I certainly didn't see a starting WR in Charles Brown. I saw a younger player who still needed to develop in several areas of playing the position. But he didn't want to develop, he wanted to start...get my point here?

This coaching staff has brought in the following receivers since 2021 (keep in mind Vigen came on board after Choate signed the 2021 recruiting class):

2021: Cam Gardner - transferred as a sophomore from Utah. Focused on academics after his 2021 season. He made the two deep.
2022: Ravi Alston - DIII All-American transfer
2022: Clevan Thomas - Kentucky transfer
2022: Malik Mullins - CC transfer as a sophomore
2022: Marqui Johnson - Sac State transfer
2022: Christian Anaya - true freshman (scholarship)
2022: Taco Dowler - true freshman (scholarship)
2022: Dylan Snyder - true freshman (pwo)
2022: Zachary Dodson-Green - true freshman (pwo)

WRs signed by previous coaching staff on Vigen's 2021 or 2022 rosters:

2021/2022: Coy Steel - Willie Patterson beat him out in 2021 for slot duties but he was in the rotation. Had a gruesome injury halfway through 2021 but battled back.
2021: Charles Brown - true freshman during COVID-19. Made the two-deep and was in the rotation against Wyoming. Hit the injury bug but lost opportunities to Willie Patterson and true frosh Andrew Patterson from the slot after he came back. Famously tripped a fan running on the field one game.
2021: Jamahd Monroe - flirted with the two-deep but just never got the opportunities as a redshirt freshman due to the players ahead of him.
2021: Nate Stewart - transfer from Akron slated to be in the rotation with Jaden Smith in the fall after a solid spring but an injury kept him out most of the season. Returned and was a star in the playoff run.
2021/2022: Willie Patterson - blossomed under Vigen/Housewright/Udy and DEVELOPED into one of MSU's best players in 2022.
2021: Tanner Trafton - retired due to injuries.
2021/2022: Jaden Smith - earned starting honors under the new coaching staff in Spring 2021. Lance McCutcheon took away most of his opportunities but when given them Jaden and his QBs never got on the same page. Plenty of talent there and this was a transfer that no one wanted to see happen including the coaching staff. Ravi Alston was brought in to push him and Ravi to his credit had a really good spring when in competition with Jaden. Glad Jaden had a productive year at his new school but saying this coaching staff didn't want to develop him is dead wrong.
2021: Andrew Patterson - earned more time after Coy Steel and Charles Brown had injuries then beat out Charles Brown for two-deep honors from the slot position. Andrew was one of the star true freshman in 2021 but like Cam Gardner he needed to step away from the team to focus on school in 2022. No idea what his future holds but another player the coaches were unafraid to throw into the rotation as a true freshman much like Taco Dowler in 2022.
2021: Logan Kleinhans - could never quite crack the two-deep and left the team after his redshirt sophomore season.
2021: Peyton Hanser - could never make the two-deep at outside receiver but played special teams. Decided to forgo his final year of eligibility in 2022 and graduated.
2021/2022: Aidan Garrigan - earned rave reviews as a scout receiver his freshman year and had a solid spring in 2022. Cracked the two-deep but never really played over the Top 4-5 receivers in the rotation last year. However, Aidan is bragged about a bunch by this coaching staff and he has a real shot of earning starting honors his redshirt sophomore season and will compete with transfers Ty McCullough and Lonyetta Alexander at outside receiver. Regardless, Aidan is making a name for himself due to his willingness to play special teams and his trust in his DEVELOPMENT with this coaching staff.
2021: Lance McCutcheon - turned in one of the greatest WR seasons in Bobcat history and is now in the NFL. Went through a developmental roller coaster under Jeff Choate but finally broke through his senior season. Some say Choate's staff should take credit for Lance, others say it was Vigen's offense that opened up his opportunities...but I say it was Lance McCutcheon who turned himself into a star by trusting in the process.

Alright so what is the takeaway here! We have younger receivers developing on the roster in that redshirt freshman/sophomore range and have brought in FBS and JUCO transfers to fill in age & talent gaps. Players that weren't brought in by this coaching staff have either left due to their role/playing time, graduated/retired, or stayed and embraced their role. You stated this coaching staff's MO is to bring in transfers instead of developing players but we've yet to see any of their freshman recruits from 2022 even develop yet?! Actually, the only recruit this staff brought in that has left is Malik Mullins...a transfer. They aren't afraid to play young players if they can compete as Taco had an increased role as the year went along in 2022. The rest of the young players are arguably on schedule with where they SHOULD be at this point in their college careers. Lonyatta Alexander and Ty McCulloch are FBS transfers brought in to help the team win. Again, here was my expected two-deep going into the spring:

X Receiver

Aidan Garrigan - 6'3", 205 lbs. (RSo.)
/Lonyatta Alexander Jr. - 6'1", 200 lbs. (Jr.)
Malik Mullins - 6'3", 190 lbs. (So.)

H Receiver

Taco Dowler - 5'9", 170 lbs. (So.)
Marqui Johnson - 5'8", 165 lbs. (Jr.)

Z Receiver

Clevan Thomas - 5'11", 195 lbs. (GSr.)
Ty McCulloch - 6'1", 180 lbs. (Sr.)
/Christian Anaya - 6'1", 175 lbs. (RFr.)

Now that Malik has transferred, that just opens up more opportunities for Christian Anaya and a swath of young talent (freshman or sophomores) ready to step up and show they can compete. I don't want to keep harping on a few opinions I disagree with but my goodness WAY too much is being made of WR's who have transferred since the Spring of 2022. The only transfer I didn't like to see go was Jaden Smith but he was challenged last spring, lost a competition, and decided to leave to be the guy somewhere else (which he was). As fans we want to see every young recruit develop but that isn't realistic as the goal of most programs recruiting strategy is to try to find a player the next year to replace you. Competition is a good thing but also leads to more attrition at certain positions than others and usually WR is that position.

That was very thorough and informative. Your write ups are why I frequent this forum. It's almost like you're on the staff....maybe you are?

All I'm doing is looking at the current roster, looking how everyone fits in at WR, and making an assessment of where the talent needed to be filled in. There was also a post above that Tanner Bleskin or Mitch Herbert wouldn't have liked this offense and I'm like "Tanner Bleskin and Mitch Herbert would've loved this offense!" Tanner was an incredible run blocker and Mitch was pretty good himself plus both were bigger bodied receivers who could make ridiculous catches while stretching the field vertically.

I also don't feel that bad for a kid when he gets pushed in a competition, gets fairly beat out, and then decides to leave and the WRs that left were given opportunities. Again, great that they are in spots where they feel more valued but did everyone really expect younger receivers recruited by the prior coaching staff to stick around that long knowing how the position usually operates every year now with the transfer portal?

[coloradocat]

Not sure where to post this but because this is the active thread at the moment...

How many former Bobcats left the program for another school and eventually went on to play professionally? There's one well known guy but that's all I can think of off the top of my head. Guys leave because they either don't mesh with the staff/team or they want more playing time. They aren't leaving to raise their profile post-college, they just want to play and have fun. We can be upset that players are leaving but looking back, how many do we really miss? Someone else always comes in and performs.

[VimSince03]

Not sure where to post this but because this is the active thread at the moment...

How many former Bobcats left the program for another school and eventually went on to play professionally? There's one well known guy but that's all I can think of off the top of my head. Guys leave because they either don't mesh with the staff/team or they want more playing time. They aren't leaving to raise their profile post-college, they just want to play and have fun. We can be upset that players are leaving but looking back, how many do we really miss? Someone else always comes in and performs.

Probably could've just posted this instead of writing a novel.

[AFCAT]

Not sure where to post this but because this is the active thread at the moment...

How many former Bobcats left the program for another school and eventually went on to play professionally? There's one well known guy but that's all I can think of off the top of my head. Guys leave because they either don't mesh with the staff/team or they want more playing time. They aren't leaving to raise their profile post-college, they just want to play and have fun. We can be upset that players are leaving but looking back, how many do we really miss? Someone else always comes in and performs.

We’ve seen starters leave in the past few years to FBS programs, so I don’t think it’s all about meshing with the coaches or playing time either, although that can be a factor with some. There are all sorts of reasons players leave.

[coloradocat]

Not sure where to post this but because this is the active thread at the moment...

How many former Bobcats left the program for another school and eventually went on to play professionally? There's one well known guy but that's all I can think of off the top of my head. Guys leave because they either don't mesh with the staff/team or they want more playing time. They aren't leaving to raise their profile post-college, they just want to play and have fun. We can be upset that players are leaving but looking back, how many do we really miss? Someone else always comes in and performs.

Probably could've just posted this instead of writing a novel.

That's funny coming from you Vim.

[tdub]

Not sure where to post this but because this is the active thread at the moment...

How many former Bobcats left the program for another school and eventually went on to play professionally? There's one well known guy but that's all I can think of off the top of my head. Guys leave because they either don't mesh with the staff/team or they want more playing time. They aren't leaving to raise their profile post-college, they just want to play and have fun. We can be upset that players are leaving but looking back, how many do we really miss? Someone else always comes in and performs.

Probably could've just posted this instead of writing a novel.

But your novels are entertaining! Keep on writing ‘em.

[VimSince03]

Not sure where to post this but because this is the active thread at the moment...

How many former Bobcats left the program for another school and eventually went on to play professionally? There's one well known guy but that's all I can think of off the top of my head. Guys leave because they either don't mesh with the staff/team or they want more playing time. They aren't leaving to raise their profile post-college, they just want to play and have fun. We can be upset that players are leaving but looking back, how many do we really miss? Someone else always comes in and performs.

Probably could've just posted this instead of writing a novel.

That's funny coming from you Vim.

Sorry meant I could've just wrote what you said.

[coloradocat]

Not sure where to post this but because this is the active thread at the moment...

How many former Bobcats left the program for another school and eventually went on to play professionally? There's one well known guy but that's all I can think of off the top of my head. Guys leave because they either don't mesh with the staff/team or they want more playing time. They aren't leaving to raise their profile post-college, they just want to play and have fun. We can be upset that players are leaving but looking back, how many do we really miss? Someone else always comes in and performs.

Probably could've just posted this instead of writing a novel.

That's funny coming from you Vim.

Sorry meant I could've just wrote what you said.

We appreciate your novels.

[Bobcat4Ever]

Not sure where to post this but because this is the active thread at the moment...

How many former Bobcats left the program for another school and eventually went on to play professionally? There's one well known guy but that's all I can think of off the top of my head. Guys leave because they either don't mesh with the staff/team or they want more playing time. They aren't leaving to raise their profile post-college, they just want to play and have fun. We can be upset that players are leaving but looking back, how many do we really miss? Someone else always comes in and performs.

Probably could've just posted this instead of writing a novel.

But your novels are entertaining! Keep on writing ‘em.

Hear, hear! Keep up the great insight, Vim. You are appreciated here.