Troy Freaking Andersen!

[Travelingcat]

https://connect.zebra.com/SrBowlInsights
Hopefully this link to zebra technologies that tracked the players in the senior bowl works. To summarize, Troy hit 20.29mph for the sixth best linebacker for the past 4 senior bowls (101 linebackers) and the top max acceleration of 6.01 yards per second squared. His max acceleration is 6th best for all players for the past 4 years. Not sure what it means for 40 times or how much teams use it for scouting purposes, but impressive nonetheless

During one of the MSU playoff broadcasts, the analyst said Tommy Mellot had the second fastest acceleration on the team. The only person faster was Troy.

@Helcat could you find those 5 LBs ahead of Troy and find their 40 times?

.........................40 time........Fastest Speed Registered (MPH)

Shaqem Griffin........4.38................21.28
Marquis Haynes.......4.67................20.69
Oren Burks.............4.59................20.58
Tariq Carpenter.......- ....................20.40
Davion Taylor..........4.49................20.37
Troy Andersen.........-....................20.29

I'll add that Troy as the third fastest max acceleration at 6.01 yd/s^2 among ALL the defensive players since they started measuring.

Right-- And I'd add that short-area acceleration for Anderson is probably even more important than his max speed. His overall yards covered on the field and his acceleration were absolutely elite-- best of any LB over the last four senior bowls other than All-Pro Darius Leonard on yards covered. The overall athletic profile for Andersen is just fantaistic.

[ND0479]

Here's a list of all of the LB's drafted last year. Cross-reference it with the link to see their 40 times (combo of Pro days and NFL combine...I think)

https://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombin ... B&college=

Michah Parsons R1-12
Zaven Collins R1-16
Jamin Davis R1-19
Odafe Oweh R1-31
Joe Tryon R1-32
Azeez Ojulari R2-18 (50)
Jeremiah Owusu R2-20 (52)
Nick Bolton R2-26 (58)
Pete Werner R2-28 (60)
Chazz Surratt R3-15 (78)
Malcolm Koonce R3-17 (80)
Monty Rice R3-29 (92)
Ernest jones R3-40 (104)
Baron Bowing R3-42 (105)
Derrick Barnes R4-8 (113)
Jabril Cox R4-10 (115)
Elerson Smith R4-11 (116)
Chris Rumph R4-13 (118)
Buddy Johnson R4-35 (140)
Tony Fields R5-9(153)
Garret Wallow R5-26 (170)
KJ Britt R5-32 (176)
Cameron McGrone R5-33 (177)
Nick Niemann R6-1 (185)
Quincy Roche R6-32 (216)
Isaiah McDuffie R6-36 (220)
Patrick Johnson R7-6 (234)
William Bradley R7-12 (246)
Chris Garrett R7-25 (252)
Grant Stuard R7-32 (259)

[BelligerentBobcat]

Here's a list of all of the LB's drafted last year. Cross-reference it with the link to see their 40 times (combo of Pro days and NFL combine...I think)

https://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombin ... B&college=

Michah Parsons R1-12
Zaven Collins R1-16
Jamin Davis R1-19
Odafe Oweh R1-31
Joe Tryon R1-32
Azeez Ojulari R2-18 (50)
Jeremiah Owusu R2-20 (52)
Nick Bolton R2-26 (58)
Pete Werner R2-28 (60)
Chazz Surratt R3-15 (78)
Malcolm Koonce R3-17 (80)
Monty Rice R3-29 (92)
Ernest jones R3-40 (104)
Baron Bowing R3-42 (105)
Derrick Barnes R4-8 (113)
Jabril Cox R4-10 (115)
Elerson Smith R4-11 (116)
Chris Rumph R4-13 (118)
Buddy Johnson R4-35 (140)
Tony Fields R5-9(153)
Garret Wallow R5-26 (170)
KJ Britt R5-32 (176)
Cameron McGrone R5-33 (177)
Nick Niemann R6-1 (185)
Quincy Roche R6-32 (216)
Isaiah McDuffie R6-36 (220)
Patrick Johnson R7-6 (234)
William Bradley R7-12 (246)
Chris Garrett R7-25 (252)
Grant Stuard R7-32 (259)

Quite a few of those are edge rushers. You’d probably want to differentiate between an off ball LB like Troy and an edge like Joe Tryon.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I’d guess Troy goes late day 2 or early day 3. He’s raw, but not young for a draft prospect. Has had some injury issues that won’t help him. Chad Muma, for example, is a lot safer prospect with a similar ceiling.

Hopefully Troy gets drafted somewhere that will use him well. Ideally a system that doesn’t require their backers to take on offensive lineman frequently.

[tetoncat]

Gerald Alexander interviewing for Jaguars DC. if he gets that is it a landing spot for Troy.

[technoCat]

I’d guess Troy goes late day 2 or early day 3. He’s raw, but not young for a draft prospect. Has had some injury issues that won’t help him. Chad Muma, for example, is a lot safer prospect with a similar ceiling.

Hopefully Troy gets drafted somewhere that will use him well. Ideally a system that doesn’t require their backers to take on offensive lineman frequently.

I disagree on this. Muma is slightly ahead of Troy as of right now but he has played at that position for 4 years. He will obviously get a bit better with NFL trainers and coaches but he is close to his ceiling. Troy hasn't gotten more than a year at any position and improved vastly through the course of the season and I believe has much farther to go.

I do agree that teams might shy away from him given his injury history depending on just how bad that shoulder was by the end of the year. If he's good now, I think 2019 can somewhat be forgotten given his workload the year before and that year.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I’d guess Troy goes late day 2 or early day 3. He’s raw, but not young for a draft prospect. Has had some injury issues that won’t help him. Chad Muma, for example, is a lot safer prospect with a similar ceiling.

Hopefully Troy gets drafted somewhere that will use him well. Ideally a system that doesn’t require their backers to take on offensive lineman frequently.

I disagree on this. Muma is slightly ahead of Troy as of right now but he has played at that position for 4 years. He will obviously get a bit better with NFL trainers and coaches but he is close to his ceiling. Troy hasn't gotten more than a year at any position and improved vastly through the course of the season and I believe has much farther to go.

I do agree that teams might shy away from him given his injury history depending on just how bad that shoulder was by the end of the year. If he's good now, I think 2019 can somewhat be forgotten given his workload the year before and that year.

I’m curious as to why you think Muma is close to his ceiling?

Anyways, I think Troy is closer to Muma now than he was at the beginning of the season, but Muma is still the better LB by a decent margin.

[Montanabob]

Here's a list of all of the LB's drafted last year. Cross-reference it with the link to see their 40 times (combo of Pro days and NFL combine...I think)

https://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombin ... B&college=

Michah Parsons R1-12
Zaven Collins R1-16
Jamin Davis R1-19
Odafe Oweh R1-31
Joe Tryon R1-32
Azeez Ojulari R2-18 (50)
Jeremiah Owusu R2-20 (52)
Nick Bolton R2-26 (58)
Pete Werner R2-28 (60)
Chazz Surratt R3-15 (78)
Malcolm Koonce R3-17 (80)
Monty Rice R3-29 (92)
Ernest jones R3-40 (104)
Baron Bowing R3-42 (105)
Derrick Barnes R4-8 (113)
Jabril Cox R4-10 (115)
Elerson Smith R4-11 (116)
Chris Rumph R4-13 (118)
Buddy Johnson R4-35 (140)
Tony Fields R5-9(153)
Garret Wallow R5-26 (170)
KJ Britt R5-32 (176)
Cameron McGrone R5-33 (177)
Nick Niemann R6-1 (185)
Quincy Roche R6-32 (216)
Isaiah McDuffie R6-36 (220)
Patrick Johnson R7-6 (234)
William Bradley R7-12 (246)
Chris Garrett R7-25 (252)
Grant Stuard R7-32 (259)

Quite a few of those are edge rushers. You’d probably want to differentiate between an off ball LB like Troy and an edge like Joe Tryon.

I think it would be interesting to see him as an edge rusher.... Scare a few QB's into passing quickly.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Here's a list of all of the LB's drafted last year. Cross-reference it with the link to see their 40 times (combo of Pro days and NFL combine...I think)

https://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombin ... B&college=

Michah Parsons R1-12
Zaven Collins R1-16
Jamin Davis R1-19
Odafe Oweh R1-31
Joe Tryon R1-32
Azeez Ojulari R2-18 (50)
Jeremiah Owusu R2-20 (52)
Nick Bolton R2-26 (58)
Pete Werner R2-28 (60)
Chazz Surratt R3-15 (78)
Malcolm Koonce R3-17 (80)
Monty Rice R3-29 (92)
Ernest jones R3-40 (104)
Baron Bowing R3-42 (105)
Derrick Barnes R4-8 (113)
Jabril Cox R4-10 (115)
Elerson Smith R4-11 (116)
Chris Rumph R4-13 (118)
Buddy Johnson R4-35 (140)
Tony Fields R5-9(153)
Garret Wallow R5-26 (170)
KJ Britt R5-32 (176)
Cameron McGrone R5-33 (177)
Nick Niemann R6-1 (185)
Quincy Roche R6-32 (216)
Isaiah McDuffie R6-36 (220)
Patrick Johnson R7-6 (234)
William Bradley R7-12 (246)
Chris Garrett R7-25 (252)
Grant Stuard R7-32 (259)

Quite a few of those are edge rushers. You’d probably want to differentiate between an off ball LB like Troy and an edge like Joe Tryon.

I think it would be interesting to see him as an edge rusher.... Scare a few QB's into passing quickly.

He’d get obliterated in the NFL as an edge rusher. Let him blitz from space, that’s what he’s good at.

[rivercat]

I’d guess Troy goes late day 2 or early day 3. He’s raw, but not young for a draft prospect. Has had some injury issues that won’t help him. Chad Muma, for example, is a lot safer prospect with a similar ceiling.

Hopefully Troy gets drafted somewhere that will use him well. Ideally a system that doesn’t require their backers to take on offensive lineman frequently.

I disagree on this. Muma is slightly ahead of Troy as of right now but he has played at that position for 4 years. He will obviously get a bit better with NFL trainers and coaches but he is close to his ceiling. Troy hasn't gotten more than a year at any position and improved vastly through the course of the season and I believe has much farther to go.

I do agree that teams might shy away from him given his injury history depending on just how bad that shoulder was by the end of the year. If he's good now, I think 2019 can somewhat be forgotten given his workload the year before and that year.

I’m curious as to why you think Muma is close to his ceiling?

Anyways, I think Troy is closer to Muma now than he was at the beginning of the season, but Muma is still the better LB by a decent margin.

I agree with technoCat. I think Muma is a really good LB and is very athletic. His ceiling isn't much higher because what can he improve upon? He has always been at LB and knows and plays the position very well. There isn't much risk in drafting him because teams know what they are getting.

Troy on the other hand is a raw talent that is more athletic than Muma. That will prove out in the combine. Teams are taking some risk drafting Troy due to past injuries and inexperience at playing LB. The risk of drafting Troy is greater than Muma but so is the potential reward.

[technoCat]

I’d guess Troy goes late day 2 or early day 3. He’s raw, but not young for a draft prospect. Has had some injury issues that won’t help him. Chad Muma, for example, is a lot safer prospect with a similar ceiling.

Hopefully Troy gets drafted somewhere that will use him well. Ideally a system that doesn’t require their backers to take on offensive lineman frequently.

I disagree on this. Muma is slightly ahead of Troy as of right now but he has played at that position for 4 years. He will obviously get a bit better with NFL trainers and coaches but he is close to his ceiling. Troy hasn't gotten more than a year at any position and improved vastly through the course of the season and I believe has much farther to go.

I do agree that teams might shy away from him given his injury history depending on just how bad that shoulder was by the end of the year. If he's good now, I think 2019 can somewhat be forgotten given his workload the year before and that year.

I’m curious as to why you think Muma is close to his ceiling?

Anyways, I think Troy is closer to Muma now than he was at the beginning of the season, but Muma is still the better LB by a decent margin.

To reiterate, I think Muma is much closer to his ceiling than Troy because he's been playing the same position for much MUCH longer.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I’d guess Troy goes late day 2 or early day 3. He’s raw, but not young for a draft prospect. Has had some injury issues that won’t help him. Chad Muma, for example, is a lot safer prospect with a similar ceiling.

Hopefully Troy gets drafted somewhere that will use him well. Ideally a system that doesn’t require their backers to take on offensive lineman frequently.

I disagree on this. Muma is slightly ahead of Troy as of right now but he has played at that position for 4 years. He will obviously get a bit better with NFL trainers and coaches but he is close to his ceiling. Troy hasn't gotten more than a year at any position and improved vastly through the course of the season and I believe has much farther to go.

I do agree that teams might shy away from him given his injury history depending on just how bad that shoulder was by the end of the year. If he's good now, I think 2019 can somewhat be forgotten given his workload the year before and that year.

I’m curious as to why you think Muma is close to his ceiling?

Anyways, I think Troy is closer to Muma now than he was at the beginning of the season, but Muma is still the better LB by a decent margin.

To reiterate, I think Muma is much closer to his ceiling than Troy because he's been playing the same position for much MUCH longer.

I would agree that Muma is closer to his ceiling. It seemed you were saying that Muma is close to his ceiling, and that I wouldn’t agree with.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I’d guess Troy goes late day 2 or early day 3. He’s raw, but not young for a draft prospect. Has had some injury issues that won’t help him. Chad Muma, for example, is a lot safer prospect with a similar ceiling.

Hopefully Troy gets drafted somewhere that will use him well. Ideally a system that doesn’t require their backers to take on offensive lineman frequently.

I disagree on this. Muma is slightly ahead of Troy as of right now but he has played at that position for 4 years. He will obviously get a bit better with NFL trainers and coaches but he is close to his ceiling. Troy hasn't gotten more than a year at any position and improved vastly through the course of the season and I believe has much farther to go.

I do agree that teams might shy away from him given his injury history depending on just how bad that shoulder was by the end of the year. If he's good now, I think 2019 can somewhat be forgotten given his workload the year before and that year.

I’m curious as to why you think Muma is close to his ceiling?

Anyways, I think Troy is closer to Muma now than he was at the beginning of the season, but Muma is still the better LB by a decent margin.

I agree with technoCat. I think Muma is a really good LB and is very athletic. His ceiling isn't much higher because what can he improve upon? He has always been at LB and knows and plays the position very well. There isn't much risk in drafting him because teams know what they are getting.

Troy on the other hand is a raw talent that is more athletic than Muma. That will prove out in the combine. Teams are taking some risk drafting Troy due to past injuries and inexperience at playing LB. The risk of drafting Troy is greater than Muma but so is the potential reward.

I think you and I differ on how much we think a player can grow or develop post college. I’ve seen a lot of 4 year players progress a lot in the NFL. Cooper Kupp would be a good example. With Muma’s athleticism, if he didn’t have any areas to improve upon, he’d be a top 10 off ball LB day 1 in the league. He’s clearly not that good yet, and clearly has a lot he can improve.

I’m not saying any of this to disparage Troy. I think he can be a very capable NFL starter some day, and that’s amazing. He just has a lot to clean up to get there, imo.

[rivercat]

I’d guess Troy goes late day 2 or early day 3. He’s raw, but not young for a draft prospect. Has had some injury issues that won’t help him. Chad Muma, for example, is a lot safer prospect with a similar ceiling.

Hopefully Troy gets drafted somewhere that will use him well. Ideally a system that doesn’t require their backers to take on offensive lineman frequently.

I disagree on this. Muma is slightly ahead of Troy as of right now but he has played at that position for 4 years. He will obviously get a bit better with NFL trainers and coaches but he is close to his ceiling. Troy hasn't gotten more than a year at any position and improved vastly through the course of the season and I believe has much farther to go.

I do agree that teams might shy away from him given his injury history depending on just how bad that shoulder was by the end of the year. If he's good now, I think 2019 can somewhat be forgotten given his workload the year before and that year.

I’m curious as to why you think Muma is close to his ceiling?

Anyways, I think Troy is closer to Muma now than he was at the beginning of the season, but Muma is still the better LB by a decent margin.

I agree with technoCat. I think Muma is a really good LB and is very athletic. His ceiling isn't much higher because what can he improve upon? He has always been at LB and knows and plays the position very well. There isn't much risk in drafting him because teams know what they are getting.

Troy on the other hand is a raw talent that is more athletic than Muma. That will prove out in the combine. Teams are taking some risk drafting Troy due to past injuries and inexperience at playing LB. The risk of drafting Troy is greater than Muma but so is the potential reward.

I think you and I differ on how much we think a player can grow or develop post college. I’ve seen a lot of 4 year players progress a lot in the NFL. Cooper Kupp would be a good example. With Muma’s athleticism, if he didn’t have any areas to improve upon, he’d be a top 10 off ball LB day 1 in the league. He’s clearly not that good yet, and clearly has a lot he can improve.

I’m not saying any of this to disparage Troy. I think he can be a very capable NFL starter some day, and that’s amazing. He just has a lot to clean up to get there, imo.

We probably don't differ all that much really. I didn't think you were saying anything to disparage Troy. You're right that Muma will improve in the league. I was at the WY game and was awed with the play of Muma. He was physical and he was constantly making the right play. We agree that Troy has more to improve on than Muma and it will be fun seeing where these 2 end up in their careers.

[autocat]

TROY can play multiple positions which adds value, Mum is just a linebacker

[St George]

TROY can play multiple positions which adds value, Mum is just a linebacker

+1000

[Bobcatsinmso]

I’d guess Troy goes late day 2 or early day 3. He’s raw, but not young for a draft prospect. Has had some injury issues that won’t help him. Chad Muma, for example, is a lot safer prospect with a similar ceiling.

Hopefully Troy gets drafted somewhere that will use him well. Ideally a system that doesn’t require their backers to take on offensive lineman frequently.

I disagree on this. Muma is slightly ahead of Troy as of right now but he has played at that position for 4 years. He will obviously get a bit better with NFL trainers and coaches but he is close to his ceiling. Troy hasn't gotten more than a year at any position and improved vastly through the course of the season and I believe has much farther to go.

I do agree that teams might shy away from him given his injury history depending on just how bad that shoulder was by the end of the year. If he's good now, I think 2019 can somewhat be forgotten given his workload the year before and that year.

I’m curious as to why you think Muma is close to his ceiling?

Anyways, I think Troy is closer to Muma now than he was at the beginning of the season, but Muma is still the better LB by a decent margin.

I agree with technoCat. I think Muma is a really good LB and is very athletic. His ceiling isn't much higher because what can he improve upon? He has always been at LB and knows and plays the position very well. There isn't much risk in drafting him because teams know what they are getting.

Troy on the other hand is a raw talent that is more athletic than Muma. That will prove out in the combine. Teams are taking some risk drafting Troy due to past injuries and inexperience at playing LB. The risk of drafting Troy is greater than Muma but so is the potential reward.

I think you and I differ on how much we think a player can grow or develop post college. I’ve seen a lot of 4 year players progress a lot in the NFL. Cooper Kupp would be a good example. With Muma’s athleticism, if he didn’t have any areas to improve upon, he’d be a top 10 off ball LB day 1 in the league. He’s clearly not that good yet, and clearly has a lot he can improve.

I’m not saying any of this to disparage Troy. I think he can be a very capable NFL starter some day, and that’s amazing. He just has a lot to clean up to get there, imo.

We probably don't differ all that much really. I didn't think you were saying anything to disparage Troy. You're right that Muma will improve in the league. I was at the WY game and was awed with the play of Muma. He was physical and he was constantly making the right play. We agree that Troy has more to improve on than Muma and it will be fun seeing where these 2 end up in their careers.

Muma has the potential to be like the last Wyo LB drafted and currently playing in the NFL. You can see him for yourself this Sunday as logan Wilson starts for Cincinnati this Sunday. Andersen has the potential to be like the current MSU starting linebacker in the NFL Alex Singleton. Troy will not have to take the scenic route of touring the CFL before joining the NFL however, as Troy will be snapped up before round 4 in the draft.
Cant wait to see all these guys next year on Sundays, they are all good.

[luckyirishguy25]

I’d guess Troy goes late day 2 or early day 3. He’s raw, but not young for a draft prospect. Has had some injury issues that won’t help him. Chad Muma, for example, is a lot safer prospect with a similar ceiling.

Hopefully Troy gets drafted somewhere that will use him well. Ideally a system that doesn’t require their backers to take on offensive lineman frequently.

I disagree on this. Muma is slightly ahead of Troy as of right now but he has played at that position for 4 years. He will obviously get a bit better with NFL trainers and coaches but he is close to his ceiling. Troy hasn't gotten more than a year at any position and improved vastly through the course of the season and I believe has much farther to go.

I do agree that teams might shy away from him given his injury history depending on just how bad that shoulder was by the end of the year. If he's good now, I think 2019 can somewhat be forgotten given his workload the year before and that year.

I’m curious as to why you think Muma is close to his ceiling?

Anyways, I think Troy is closer to Muma now than he was at the beginning of the season, but Muma is still the better LB by a decent margin.

I agree with technoCat. I think Muma is a really good LB and is very athletic. His ceiling isn't much higher because what can he improve upon? He has always been at LB and knows and plays the position very well. There isn't much risk in drafting him because teams know what they are getting.

Troy on the other hand is a raw talent that is more athletic than Muma. That will prove out in the combine. Teams are taking some risk drafting Troy due to past injuries and inexperience at playing LB. The risk of drafting Troy is greater than Muma but so is the potential reward.

I think you and I differ on how much we think a player can grow or develop post college. I’ve seen a lot of 4 year players progress a lot in the NFL. Cooper Kupp would be a good example. With Muma’s athleticism, if he didn’t have any areas to improve upon, he’d be a top 10 off ball LB day 1 in the league. He’s clearly not that good yet, and clearly has a lot he can improve.

I’m not saying any of this to disparage Troy. I think he can be a very capable NFL starter some day, and that’s amazing. He just has a lot to clean up to get there, imo.

We probably don't differ all that much really. I didn't think you were saying anything to disparage Troy. You're right that Muma will improve in the league. I was at the WY game and was awed with the play of Muma. He was physical and he was constantly making the right play. We agree that Troy has more to improve on than Muma and it will be fun seeing where these 2 end up in their careers.

Muma has the potential to be like the last Wyo LB drafted and currently playing in the NFL. You can see him for yourself this Sunday as logan Wilson starts for Cincinnati this Sunday. Andersen has the potential to be like the current MSU starting linebacker in the NFL Alex Singleton. Troy will not have to take the scenic route of touring the CFL before joining the NFL however, as Troy will be snapped up before round 4 in the draft.
Cant wait to see all these guys next year on Sundays, they are all good.

All due respect to Alex, but Troy has a bigger frame and is faster than Alex. Troy is going to be better than Alex.

[rivercat]

I’d guess Troy goes late day 2 or early day 3. He’s raw, but not young for a draft prospect. Has had some injury issues that won’t help him. Chad Muma, for example, is a lot safer prospect with a similar ceiling.

Hopefully Troy gets drafted somewhere that will use him well. Ideally a system that doesn’t require their backers to take on offensive lineman frequently.

I disagree on this. Muma is slightly ahead of Troy as of right now but he has played at that position for 4 years. He will obviously get a bit better with NFL trainers and coaches but he is close to his ceiling. Troy hasn't gotten more than a year at any position and improved vastly through the course of the season and I believe has much farther to go.

I do agree that teams might shy away from him given his injury history depending on just how bad that shoulder was by the end of the year. If he's good now, I think 2019 can somewhat be forgotten given his workload the year before and that year.

I’m curious as to why you think Muma is close to his ceiling?

Anyways, I think Troy is closer to Muma now than he was at the beginning of the season, but Muma is still the better LB by a decent margin.

I agree with technoCat. I think Muma is a really good LB and is very athletic. His ceiling isn't much higher because what can he improve upon? He has always been at LB and knows and plays the position very well. There isn't much risk in drafting him because teams know what they are getting.

Troy on the other hand is a raw talent that is more athletic than Muma. That will prove out in the combine. Teams are taking some risk drafting Troy due to past injuries and inexperience at playing LB. The risk of drafting Troy is greater than Muma but so is the potential reward.

I think you and I differ on how much we think a player can grow or develop post college. I’ve seen a lot of 4 year players progress a lot in the NFL. Cooper Kupp would be a good example. With Muma’s athleticism, if he didn’t have any areas to improve upon, he’d be a top 10 off ball LB day 1 in the league. He’s clearly not that good yet, and clearly has a lot he can improve.

I’m not saying any of this to disparage Troy. I think he can be a very capable NFL starter some day, and that’s amazing. He just has a lot to clean up to get there, imo.

We probably don't differ all that much really. I didn't think you were saying anything to disparage Troy. You're right that Muma will improve in the league. I was at the WY game and was awed with the play of Muma. He was physical and he was constantly making the right play. We agree that Troy has more to improve on than Muma and it will be fun seeing where these 2 end up in their careers.

Muma has the potential to be like the last Wyo LB drafted and currently playing in the NFL. You can see him for yourself this Sunday as logan Wilson starts for Cincinnati this Sunday. Andersen has the potential to be like the current MSU starting linebacker in the NFL Alex Singleton. Troy will not have to take the scenic route of touring the CFL before joining the NFL however, as Troy will be snapped up before round 4 in the draft.
Cant wait to see all these guys next year on Sundays, they are all good.

All due respect to Alex, but Troy has a bigger frame and is faster than Alex. Troy is going to be better than Alex.

Alex is where he's at because of incredible hard work and determination. He is a tacking machine but has issues coverage. That's more a physical limitation than skill deficiency. Troy's physical abilities will not limit him in any portion of the game. On the contrary, he may become elite as his skills progress.

[Bobcatsinmso]

I’d guess Troy goes late day 2 or early day 3. He’s raw, but not young for a draft prospect. Has had some injury issues that won’t help him. Chad Muma, for example, is a lot safer prospect with a similar ceiling.

Hopefully Troy gets drafted somewhere that will use him well. Ideally a system that doesn’t require their backers to take on offensive lineman frequently.

I disagree on this. Muma is slightly ahead of Troy as of right now but he has played at that position for 4 years. He will obviously get a bit better with NFL trainers and coaches but he is close to his ceiling. Troy hasn't gotten more than a year at any position and improved vastly through the course of the season and I believe has much farther to go.

I do agree that teams might shy away from him given his injury history depending on just how bad that shoulder was by the end of the year. If he's good now, I think 2019 can somewhat be forgotten given his workload the year before and that year.

I’m curious as to why you think Muma is close to his ceiling?

Anyways, I think Troy is closer to Muma now than he was at the beginning of the season, but Muma is still the better LB by a decent margin.

I agree with technoCat. I think Muma is a really good LB and is very athletic. His ceiling isn't much higher because what can he improve upon? He has always been at LB and knows and plays the position very well. There isn't much risk in drafting him because teams know what they are getting.

Troy on the other hand is a raw talent that is more athletic than Muma. That will prove out in the combine. Teams are taking some risk drafting Troy due to past injuries and inexperience at playing LB. The risk of drafting Troy is greater than Muma but so is the potential reward.

I think you and I differ on how much we think a player can grow or develop post college. I’ve seen a lot of 4 year players progress a lot in the NFL. Cooper Kupp would be a good example. With Muma’s athleticism, if he didn’t have any areas to improve upon, he’d be a top 10 off ball LB day 1 in the league. He’s clearly not that good yet, and clearly has a lot he can improve.

I’m not saying any of this to disparage Troy. I think he can be a very capable NFL starter some day, and that’s amazing. He just has a lot to clean up to get there, imo.

We probably don't differ all that much really. I didn't think you were saying anything to disparage Troy. You're right that Muma will improve in the league. I was at the WY game and was awed with the play of Muma. He was physical and he was constantly making the right play. We agree that Troy has more to improve on than Muma and it will be fun seeing where these 2 end up in their careers.

Muma has the potential to be like the last Wyo LB drafted and currently playing in the NFL. You can see him for yourself this Sunday as logan Wilson starts for Cincinnati this Sunday. Andersen has the potential to be like the current MSU starting linebacker in the NFL Alex Singleton. Troy will not have to take the scenic route of touring the CFL before joining the NFL however, as Troy will be snapped up before round 4 in the draft.
Cant wait to see all these guys next year on Sundays, they are all good.

All due respect to Alex, but Troy has a bigger frame and is faster than Alex. Troy is going to be better than Alex.

Alex is where he's at because of incredible hard work and determination. He is a tacking machine but has issues coverage. That's more a physical limitation than skill deficiency. Troy's physical abilities will not limit him in any portion of the game. On the contrary, he may become elite as his skills progress.

I whole heartedly agree. Currently MSU has one starting LB in the NFL. Troy Andersen has a chance to make it two, but first he has to get there and earn it. I hope Troy can be as good as Alex, time will tell if he can or be even better. When was the last time Bobcat fans got to see two MSU LB's starting in the NFL?....never. I am rooting for the deuce.