Choate to interview for Boise State job

[BleedingBLue]

A lot of conflicting information out there. Some say it's down to Choate or Avalos, others say that they're interviewing 5 or more candidates today. I tend to believe the latter, I kind of doubt that a new AD would come in and not expand the search at least a little.

I really think Choate is the front runner. Even if they talk to others, I think they'll come back to Choate. He might not be the flashiest candidate with the deepest resume, but when you consider his entire body of work here within the athletic department it's hard to see any other candidate matching that.

I agree with this. If someone knows what they are doing at BSU they will recognize that Choate is probably the least risky of the candidates.

I think they look at Choate as a guy who's young enough to put in 20 years but not so young that he'll be champing at the bit to get a bigger job. If he gets the job and does a good job there, I think he's more likely than most to retire there. If BSU gets anybody really good, they'll have them for five years and they'll move on. Seems like Choate wouldn't be looking for that power 5 job unless he really knocked it out of the park in a hurry.

Does Boise need someone to come in and establish a culture? I don't think they do. They want someone that will keep them on track and keep the fans happy with a high-octane offense. Unless Choate has an OC in his hip pocket, then I'm not sure how he's all that enticing. The two new candidates coming in are OCs. Guy from Florida and now one from USC.

I was thinking the same thing. I can't really imagine BSU fans being all that excited to move to a ground and pound "drag them to the deep end" type offense like we've been seeing in Bozeman. But maybe that's just me being hopeful to still have Coach Choate at MSU next season, and beyond.

They aren't that excited about that. They want a coach who can develop QBs and throw the ball. I've read on a couple fan boards that most fans wouldn't want Choate for that reason alone. But the fans don't make the hiring decisions.

[Cat4LifeHouseDivided]

A lot of conflicting information out there. Some say it's down to Choate or Avalos, others say that they're interviewing 5 or more candidates today. I tend to believe the latter, I kind of doubt that a new AD would come in and not expand the search at least a little.

I really think Choate is the front runner. Even if they talk to others, I think they'll come back to Choate. He might not be the flashiest candidate with the deepest resume, but when you consider his entire body of work here within the athletic department it's hard to see any other candidate matching that.

I agree with this. If someone knows what they are doing at BSU they will recognize that Choate is probably the least risky of the candidates.

I think they look at Choate as a guy who's young enough to put in 20 years but not so young that he'll be champing at the bit to get a bigger job. If he gets the job and does a good job there, I think he's more likely than most to retire there. If BSU gets anybody really good, they'll have them for five years and they'll move on. Seems like Choate wouldn't be looking for that power 5 job unless he really knocked it out of the park in a hurry.

Does Boise need someone to come in and establish a culture? I don't think they do. They want someone that will keep them on track and keep the fans happy with a high-octane offense. Unless Choate has an OC in his hip pocket, then I'm not sure how he's all that enticing. The two new candidates coming in are OCs. Guy from Florida and now one from USC.

I was thinking the same thing. I can't really imagine BSU fans being all that excited to move to a ground and pound "drag them to the deep end" type offense like we've been seeing in Bozeman. But maybe that's just me being hopeful to still have Coach Choate at MSU next season, and beyond.

We are assuming that would remain his style. He did hire Udy here to bring in some spread concepts.

[083190]

If you think Boise State hasn't been a run first offense, you haven't been watching closely enough. The bowl win versus Oklahoma ended with a couple of trick plays and a Sports Center Top Ten, but take a look at the list of NFL running backs from Boise State over the last 10 years. They have as many in the NFL as any school out there. And that isn't because they were throwing it all over the field and running trick plays every other series. It's because they have had a very good running game with good linemen and really good running backs!

[Cledus]

If you think Boise State hasn't been a run first offense, you haven't been watching closely enough. The bowl win versus Oklahoma ended with a couple of trick plays and a Sports Center Top Ten, but take a look at the list of NFL running backs from Boise State over the last 10 years. They have as many in the NFL as any school out there. And that isn't because they were throwing it all over the field and running trick plays every other series. It's because they have had a very good running game with good linemen and really good running backs!

Boise State and then Washington under Petersen have been running teams with big play capabilities. I believe this is the kind of offense Choate wants. Even though the first few years here haven't quite worked out that way because of the quarterback situation, I don't think he'd veer off that path and try to install at Boise what we have here at MSU. We would have a much different offense right now if the quarterback situation during Choate's first two years here were better.

[rivercat]

Sounds like BSU is interviewing the four candidates today.

https://mwwire.com/2021/01/05/boise-sta ... dy-avalos/

[imacat]

Boise State and then Washington under Petersen have been running teams with big play capabilities. I believe this is the kind of offense Choate wants. Even though the first few years here haven't quite worked out that way because of the quarterback situation, I don't think he'd veer off that path and try to install at Boise what we have here at MSU. We would have a much different offense right now if the quarterback situation during Choate's first two years here were better.
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I think that this illustrates a major weakness in Choate’s resume. He simply has not developed a quarterback. He has had plenty of time to identify and recruit the position. Don’t forget he was very high on Bruggman at the beginning of his first season ... basically handing him the job the day he was signed.

[Cledus]

Boise State and then Washington under Petersen have been running teams with big play capabilities. I believe this is the kind of offense Choate wants. Even though the first few years here haven't quite worked out that way because of the quarterback situation, I don't think he'd veer off that path and try to install at Boise what we have here at MSU. We would have a much different offense right now if the quarterback situation during Choate's first two years here were better.

I think that this illustrates a major weakness in Choate’s resume. He simply has not developed a quarterback. He has had plenty of time to identify and recruit the position. Don’t forget he was very high on Bruggman at the beginning of his first season ... basically handing him the job the day he was signed.

I don’t disagree and I think Choate would agree with anyone who calls him out on it. He actually addressed it once. The issue was made worse by Messingham leaving after one season, so there was a continuity setback. Let’s not forget that after leaving MSU, Bruggman landed at a big name FBS school (I forget which one) and he arrived here from an FBS school. So he’s fooled more than Choate and it’s not really fair to single out Choate for the Bruggman con.

Choate has owned it and learned from it. I think that’s a good trait in a coach. Despite his age, I think Choate’s career trajectory is still trending upwards.

Remember Ed Orgeron’s first head coach gig? He was run out of Ole Miss and that’s a place where they’ll tolerate losing. Like Choate, Orgeron cut his teeth on the defensive side of the ball. Orgeron learned from his mistakes and grew from them. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who would turn down Orgeron today.

Choate may not have developed QB, but that’s why he hires the X’s and O’s wizards. He’s also never represented himself as someone who develops QB’s. Our last awesome QB under Ash could barely get us past the first round. So it seems you’ve got to recognize there’s more to team success than the QB, even if it is the most important position.

[onceacat]

Boise State and then Washington under Petersen have been running teams with big play capabilities. I believe this is the kind of offense Choate wants. Even though the first few years here haven't quite worked out that way because of the quarterback situation, I don't think he'd veer off that path and try to install at Boise what we have here at MSU. We would have a much different offense right now if the quarterback situation during Choate's first two years here were better.

I think that this illustrates a major weakness in Choate’s resume. He simply has not developed a quarterback. He has had plenty of time to identify and recruit the position. Don’t forget he was very high on Bruggman at the beginning of his first season ... basically handing him the job the day he was signed.

I don’t disagree and I think Choate would agree with anyone who calls him out on it. He actually addressed it once. The issue was made worse by Messingham leaving after one season, so there was a continuity setback. Let’s not forget that after leaving MSU, Bruggman landed at a big name FBS school (I forget which one) and he arrived here from an FBS school. So he’s fooled more than Choate and it’s not really fair to single out Choate for the Bruggman con.

Choate has owned it and learned from it. I think that’s a good trait in a coach. Despite his age, I think Choate’s career trajectory is still trending upwards.

Remember Ed Orgeron’s first head coach gig? He was run out of Ole Miss and that’s a place where they’ll tolerate losing. Like Choate, Orgeron cut his teeth on the defensive side of the ball. Orgeron learned from his mistakes and grew from them. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who would turn down Orgeron today.

Choate may not have developed QB, but that’s why he hires the X’s and O’s wizards. He’s also never represented himself as someone who develops QB’s. Our last awesome QB under Ash could barely get us past the first round. So it seems you’ve got to recognize there’s more to team success than the QB, even if it is the most important position.

One of Choate best traits is that he keeps learning. He also knows what his weaknesses are and honestly assessed himself.

Those are really good traits in a coach.

[Cataholic]

Boise State and then Washington under Petersen have been running teams with big play capabilities. I believe this is the kind of offense Choate wants. Even though the first few years here haven't quite worked out that way because of the quarterback situation, I don't think he'd veer off that path and try to install at Boise what we have here at MSU. We would have a much different offense right now if the quarterback situation during Choate's first two years here were better.

I think that this illustrates a major weakness in Choate’s resume. He simply has not developed a quarterback. He has had plenty of time to identify and recruit the position. Don’t forget he was very high on Bruggman at the beginning of his first season ... basically handing him the job the day he was signed.

I don’t disagree and I think Choate would agree with anyone who calls him out on it. He actually addressed it once. The issue was made worse by Messingham leaving after one season, so there was a continuity setback. Let’s not forget that after leaving MSU, Bruggman landed at a big name FBS school (I forget which one) and he arrived here from an FBS school. So he’s fooled more than Choate and it’s not really fair to single out Choate for the Bruggman con.

Choate has owned it and learned from it. I think that’s a good trait in a coach. Despite his age, I think Choate’s career trajectory is still trending upwards.

Remember Ed Orgeron’s first head coach gig? He was run out of Ole Miss and that’s a place where they’ll tolerate losing. Like Choate, Orgeron cut his teeth on the defensive side of the ball. Orgeron learned from his mistakes and grew from them. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who would turn down Orgeron today.

Choate may not have developed QB, but that’s why he hires the X’s and O’s wizards. He’s also never represented himself as someone who develops QB’s. Our last awesome QB under Ash could barely get us past the first round. So it seems you’ve got to recognize there’s more to team success than the QB, even if it is the most important position.

One of Choate best traits is that he keeps learning. He also knows what his weaknesses are and honestly assessed himself.

Those are really good traits in a coach.

And he just needs to be honest in those discussions about his setbacks at QB. He has not had the success he wanted at QB, but has there ever been been a string of setbacks like that at another school? Maybe Wisconsin this year when they were on their fourth string QB this year due to injuries and Covid. His backup was a walk-on freshman. On paper, what Choate accomplished was impressive:

Prukop - All American leaves program to join Oregon after Choate hire.
Brugman - 4 star with experience in Power 5 conference. Looked great in practice but couldn’t pass accurately during games.
Murray - Best athlete on the field, but pass accuracy issues. Leaves school due to grades. Was supposed to rejoin the program but didn’t qualify despite working with the team for a full year.
Jonsen - 4 star from Oregon. Was considered one of the top three dual threat QB’s in the country coming out of high school. Slips on ice and breaks foot after arriving on campus.
Andersen - Recruited to play defense but sheer athleticism makes him the best option at QB.
Rovig - Prepping for his first collegiate start at QB and breaks foot in practice when someone accidentally steps on his foot while jogging in the field house.
Bauman - Has the strongest arm on the team but has issues with decision making and accuracy. He was young and was forced to play before he is really ready.
McKay - NC State transfer who looks like the real deal.
Mellot - Top recruit in state of Montana committed to MSU after intense recruiting battle with rival. Already looks impressive during initial camp.

It is hard to believe all the bad luck that has occurred at that position. It is also hard to say that any other coach would not have made the same decisions that Choate did. He did what any other coach would have done.

[Montanabob]

Boise State and then Washington under Petersen have been running teams with big play capabilities. I believe this is the kind of offense Choate wants. Even though the first few years here haven't quite worked out that way because of the quarterback situation, I don't think he'd veer off that path and try to install at Boise what we have here at MSU. We would have a much different offense right now if the quarterback situation during Choate's first two years here were better.

I think that this illustrates a major weakness in Choate’s resume. He simply has not developed a quarterback. He has had plenty of time to identify and recruit the position. Don’t forget he was very high on Bruggman at the beginning of his first season ... basically handing him the job the day he was signed.

I don’t disagree and I think Choate would agree with anyone who calls him out on it. He actually addressed it once. The issue was made worse by Messingham leaving after one season, so there was a continuity setback. Let’s not forget that after leaving MSU, Bruggman landed at a big name FBS school (I forget which one) and he arrived here from an FBS school. So he’s fooled more than Choate and it’s not really fair to single out Choate for the Bruggman con.

Choate has owned it and learned from it. I think that’s a good trait in a coach. Despite his age, I think Choate’s career trajectory is still trending upwards.

Remember Ed Orgeron’s first head coach gig? He was run out of Ole Miss and that’s a place where they’ll tolerate losing. Like Choate, Orgeron cut his teeth on the defensive side of the ball. Orgeron learned from his mistakes and grew from them. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who would turn down Orgeron today.

Choate may not have developed QB, but that’s why he hires the X’s and O’s wizards. He’s also never represented himself as someone who develops QB’s. Our last awesome QB under Ash could barely get us past the first round. So it seems you’ve got to recognize there’s more to team success than the QB, even if it is the most important position.

One of Choate best traits is that he keeps learning. He also knows what his weaknesses are and honestly assessed himself.

Those are really good traits in a coach.

And he just needs to be honest in those discussions about his setbacks at QB. He has not had the success he wanted at QB, but has there ever been been a string of setbacks like that at another school? Maybe Wisconsin this year when they were on their fourth string QB this year due to injuries and Covid. His backup was a walk-on freshman. On paper, what Choate accomplished was impressive:

Prukop - All American leaves program to join Oregon after Choate hire.
Brugman - 4 star with experience in Power 5 conference. Looked great in practice but couldn’t pass accurately during games.
Murray - Best athlete on the field, but pass accuracy issues. Leaves school due to grades. Was supposed to rejoin the program but didn’t qualify despite working with the team for a full year.
Jonsen - 4 star from Oregon. Was considered one of the top three dual threat QB’s in the country coming out of high school. Slips on ice and breaks foot after arriving on campus.
Andersen - Recruited to play defense but sheer athleticism makes him the best option at QB.
Rovig - Prepping for his first collegiate start at QB and breaks foot in practice when someone accidentally steps on his foot while jogging in the field house.
Bauman - Has the strongest arm on the team but has issues with decision making and accuracy. He was young and was forced to play before he is really ready.
McKay - NC State transfer who looks like the real deal.
Mellot - Top recruit in state of Montana committed to MSU after intense recruiting battle with rival. Already looks impressive during initial camp.

It is hard to believe all the bad luck that has occurred at that position. It is also hard to say that any other coach would not have made the same decisions that Choate did. He did what any other coach would have done.

One thing I would point out is that while we have had quality QB prospects, I do think we have had a great offensive line in front of the QB. Sometimes I have questioned the OC's play calling, especially the passing.

[bobcat99]

Boise State and then Washington under Petersen have been running teams with big play capabilities. I believe this is the kind of offense Choate wants. Even though the first few years here haven't quite worked out that way because of the quarterback situation, I don't think he'd veer off that path and try to install at Boise what we have here at MSU. We would have a much different offense right now if the quarterback situation during Choate's first two years here were better.

I think that this illustrates a major weakness in Choate’s resume. He simply has not developed a quarterback. He has had plenty of time to identify and recruit the position. Don’t forget he was very high on Bruggman at the beginning of his first season ... basically handing him the job the day he was signed.

I don’t disagree and I think Choate would agree with anyone who calls him out on it. He actually addressed it once. The issue was made worse by Messingham leaving after one season, so there was a continuity setback. Let’s not forget that after leaving MSU, Bruggman landed at a big name FBS school (I forget which one) and he arrived here from an FBS school. So he’s fooled more than Choate and it’s not really fair to single out Choate for the Bruggman con.

Choate has owned it and learned from it. I think that’s a good trait in a coach. Despite his age, I think Choate’s career trajectory is still trending upwards.

Remember Ed Orgeron’s first head coach gig? He was run out of Ole Miss and that’s a place where they’ll tolerate losing. Like Choate, Orgeron cut his teeth on the defensive side of the ball. Orgeron learned from his mistakes and grew from them. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who would turn down Orgeron today.

Choate may not have developed QB, but that’s why he hires the X’s and O’s wizards. He’s also never represented himself as someone who develops QB’s. Our last awesome QB under Ash could barely get us past the first round. So it seems you’ve got to recognize there’s more to team success than the QB, even if it is the most important position.

One of Choate best traits is that he keeps learning. He also knows what his weaknesses are and honestly assessed himself.

Those are really good traits in a coach.

And he just needs to be honest in those discussions about his setbacks at QB. He has not had the success he wanted at QB, but has there ever been been a string of setbacks like that at another school? Maybe Wisconsin this year when they were on their fourth string QB this year due to injuries and Covid. His backup was a walk-on freshman. On paper, what Choate accomplished was impressive:

Prukop - All American leaves program to join Oregon after Choate hire.
Brugman - 4 star with experience in Power 5 conference. Looked great in practice but couldn’t pass accurately during games.
Murray - Best athlete on the field, but pass accuracy issues. Leaves school due to grades. Was supposed to rejoin the program but didn’t qualify despite working with the team for a full year.
Jonsen - 4 star from Oregon. Was considered one of the top three dual threat QB’s in the country coming out of high school. Slips on ice and breaks foot after arriving on campus.
Andersen - Recruited to play defense but sheer athleticism makes him the best option at QB.
Rovig - Prepping for his first collegiate start at QB and breaks foot in practice when someone accidentally steps on his foot while jogging in the field house.
Bauman - Has the strongest arm on the team but has issues with decision making and accuracy. He was young and was forced to play before he is really ready.
McKay - NC State transfer who looks like the real deal.
Mellot - Top recruit in state of Montana committed to MSU after intense recruiting battle with rival. Already looks impressive during initial camp.

It is hard to believe all the bad luck that has occurred at that position. It is also hard to say that any other coach would not have made the same decisions that Choate did. He did what any other coach would have done.

That’s a pretty rosy way of looking at things.

Bruggman was a highly ranked recruit coming out of HS, transferred twice, and had pretty mediocre stats coming out of JUCO before coming here.

Jonsen was a highly ranked recruit coming out of HS, and didn’t even start at his JUCO before coming here.

Andersen is/was an elite athlete that probably shouldn’t have been a college QB.

Rovig was a very solid QB recruit for this level, he just didn’t hit.

Bauman was a very raw QB recruit, and it seems like he stills needs quite a bit of seasoning before he’s ready to play. Possible TE.

McKay sounds like he will be the starter and the best QB we’ve had in Choate’s tenure.

Mellot seems like a solid QB recruit for this level.

I would say the only bad luck was that QB that was committed here for a while and then decommitted for a bigger school. Expecting Bruggman or Jonsen to be good QB’s was foolish. They hadn’t succeeded in college anywhere prior to coming here. Rovig and Bauman were just misses. That happens. I would not call that bad luck, but maybe poor planning.

I don’t buy into this whole “Choate can’t/hasn’t developed a QB” thing, but I don’t think it can be called all bad luck either. There were some poor decisions made in terms of who to bring in, and also in development.

[iaafan]

Boise State and then Washington under Petersen have been running teams with big play capabilities. I believe this is the kind of offense Choate wants. Even though the first few years here haven't quite worked out that way because of the quarterback situation, I don't think he'd veer off that path and try to install at Boise what we have here at MSU. We would have a much different offense right now if the quarterback situation during Choate's first two years here were better.

I think that this illustrates a major weakness in Choate’s resume. He simply has not developed a quarterback. He has had plenty of time to identify and recruit the position. Don’t forget he was very high on Bruggman at the beginning of his first season ... basically handing him the job the day he was signed.

I don’t disagree and I think Choate would agree with anyone who calls him out on it. He actually addressed it once. The issue was made worse by Messingham leaving after one season, so there was a continuity setback. Let’s not forget that after leaving MSU, Bruggman landed at a big name FBS school (I forget which one) and he arrived here from an FBS school. So he’s fooled more than Choate and it’s not really fair to single out Choate for the Bruggman con.

Choate has owned it and learned from it. I think that’s a good trait in a coach. Despite his age, I think Choate’s career trajectory is still trending upwards.

Remember Ed Orgeron’s first head coach gig? He was run out of Ole Miss and that’s a place where they’ll tolerate losing. Like Choate, Orgeron cut his teeth on the defensive side of the ball. Orgeron learned from his mistakes and grew from them. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who would turn down Orgeron today.

Choate may not have developed QB, but that’s why he hires the X’s and O’s wizards. He’s also never represented himself as someone who develops QB’s. Our last awesome QB under Ash could barely get us past the first round. So it seems you’ve got to recognize there’s more to team success than the QB, even if it is the most important position.

One of Choate best traits is that he keeps learning. He also knows what his weaknesses are and honestly assessed himself.

Those are really good traits in a coach.

And he just needs to be honest in those discussions about his setbacks at QB. He has not had the success he wanted at QB, but has there ever been been a string of setbacks like that at another school? Maybe Wisconsin this year when they were on their fourth string QB this year due to injuries and Covid. His backup was a walk-on freshman. On paper, what Choate accomplished was impressive:

Prukop - All American leaves program to join Oregon after Choate hire.
Brugman - 4 star with experience in Power 5 conference. Looked great in practice but couldn’t pass accurately during games.
Murray - Best athlete on the field, but pass accuracy issues. Leaves school due to grades. Was supposed to rejoin the program but didn’t qualify despite working with the team for a full year.
Jonsen - 4 star from Oregon. Was considered one of the top three dual threat QB’s in the country coming out of high school. Slips on ice and breaks foot after arriving on campus.
Andersen - Recruited to play defense but sheer athleticism makes him the best option at QB.
Rovig - Prepping for his first collegiate start at QB and breaks foot in practice when someone accidentally steps on his foot while jogging in the field house.
Bauman - Has the strongest arm on the team but has issues with decision making and accuracy. He was young and was forced to play before he is really ready.
McKay - NC State transfer who looks like the real deal.
Mellot - Top recruit in state of Montana committed to MSU after intense recruiting battle with rival. Already looks impressive during initial camp.

It is hard to believe all the bad luck that has occurred at that position. It is also hard to say that any other coach would not have made the same decisions that Choate did. He did what any other coach would have done.

One thing I would point out is that while we have had quality QB prospects, I do think we have had a great offensive line in front of the QB. Sometimes I have questioned the OC's play calling, especially the passing.

So, so true. That's something the BSU people will look at when evaluating his team development skills. QB may be the most important player, but OL is the most important unit in football.

[Cataholic]

Boise State and then Washington under Petersen have been running teams with big play capabilities. I believe this is the kind of offense Choate wants. Even though the first few years here haven't quite worked out that way because of the quarterback situation, I don't think he'd veer off that path and try to install at Boise what we have here at MSU. We would have a much different offense right now if the quarterback situation during Choate's first two years here were better.

I think that this illustrates a major weakness in Choate’s resume. He simply has not developed a quarterback. He has had plenty of time to identify and recruit the position. Don’t forget he was very high on Bruggman at the beginning of his first season ... basically handing him the job the day he was signed.

I don’t disagree and I think Choate would agree with anyone who calls him out on it. He actually addressed it once. The issue was made worse by Messingham leaving after one season, so there was a continuity setback. Let’s not forget that after leaving MSU, Bruggman landed at a big name FBS school (I forget which one) and he arrived here from an FBS school. So he’s fooled more than Choate and it’s not really fair to single out Choate for the Bruggman con.

Choate has owned it and learned from it. I think that’s a good trait in a coach. Despite his age, I think Choate’s career trajectory is still trending upwards.

Remember Ed Orgeron’s first head coach gig? He was run out of Ole Miss and that’s a place where they’ll tolerate losing. Like Choate, Orgeron cut his teeth on the defensive side of the ball. Orgeron learned from his mistakes and grew from them. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who would turn down Orgeron today.

Choate may not have developed QB, but that’s why he hires the X’s and O’s wizards. He’s also never represented himself as someone who develops QB’s. Our last awesome QB under Ash could barely get us past the first round. So it seems you’ve got to recognize there’s more to team success than the QB, even if it is the most important position.

One of Choate best traits is that he keeps learning. He also knows what his weaknesses are and honestly assessed himself.

Those are really good traits in a coach.

And he just needs to be honest in those discussions about his setbacks at QB. He has not had the success he wanted at QB, but has there ever been been a string of setbacks like that at another school? Maybe Wisconsin this year when they were on their fourth string QB this year due to injuries and Covid. His backup was a walk-on freshman. On paper, what Choate accomplished was impressive:

Prukop - All American leaves program to join Oregon after Choate hire.
Brugman - 4 star with experience in Power 5 conference. Looked great in practice but couldn’t pass accurately during games.
Murray - Best athlete on the field, but pass accuracy issues. Leaves school due to grades. Was supposed to rejoin the program but didn’t qualify despite working with the team for a full year.
Jonsen - 4 star from Oregon. Was considered one of the top three dual threat QB’s in the country coming out of high school. Slips on ice and breaks foot after arriving on campus.
Andersen - Recruited to play defense but sheer athleticism makes him the best option at QB.
Rovig - Prepping for his first collegiate start at QB and breaks foot in practice when someone accidentally steps on his foot while jogging in the field house.
Bauman - Has the strongest arm on the team but has issues with decision making and accuracy. He was young and was forced to play before he is really ready.
McKay - NC State transfer who looks like the real deal.
Mellot - Top recruit in state of Montana committed to MSU after intense recruiting battle with rival. Already looks impressive during initial camp.

It is hard to believe all the bad luck that has occurred at that position. It is also hard to say that any other coach would not have made the same decisions that Choate did. He did what any other coach would have done.

One thing I would point out is that while we have had quality QB prospects, I do think we have had a great offensive line in front of the QB. Sometimes I have questioned the OC's play calling, especially the passing.

Good point. And Choate has some responsibility on the rotating door at OC. However, I still think any coach could have made all those same decisions at QB. The crazy thing is that despite all those setbacks, he has still made it work.

[Cataholic]

Boise State and then Washington under Petersen have been running teams with big play capabilities. I believe this is the kind of offense Choate wants. Even though the first few years here haven't quite worked out that way because of the quarterback situation, I don't think he'd veer off that path and try to install at Boise what we have here at MSU. We would have a much different offense right now if the quarterback situation during Choate's first two years here were better.

I think that this illustrates a major weakness in Choate’s resume. He simply has not developed a quarterback. He has had plenty of time to identify and recruit the position. Don’t forget he was very high on Bruggman at the beginning of his first season ... basically handing him the job the day he was signed.

I don’t disagree and I think Choate would agree with anyone who calls him out on it. He actually addressed it once. The issue was made worse by Messingham leaving after one season, so there was a continuity setback. Let’s not forget that after leaving MSU, Bruggman landed at a big name FBS school (I forget which one) and he arrived here from an FBS school. So he’s fooled more than Choate and it’s not really fair to single out Choate for the Bruggman con.

Choate has owned it and learned from it. I think that’s a good trait in a coach. Despite his age, I think Choate’s career trajectory is still trending upwards.

Remember Ed Orgeron’s first head coach gig? He was run out of Ole Miss and that’s a place where they’ll tolerate losing. Like Choate, Orgeron cut his teeth on the defensive side of the ball. Orgeron learned from his mistakes and grew from them. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who would turn down Orgeron today.

Choate may not have developed QB, but that’s why he hires the X’s and O’s wizards. He’s also never represented himself as someone who develops QB’s. Our last awesome QB under Ash could barely get us past the first round. So it seems you’ve got to recognize there’s more to team success than the QB, even if it is the most important position.

One of Choate best traits is that he keeps learning. He also knows what his weaknesses are and honestly assessed himself.

Those are really good traits in a coach.

And he just needs to be honest in those discussions about his setbacks at QB. He has not had the success he wanted at QB, but has there ever been been a string of setbacks like that at another school? Maybe Wisconsin this year when they were on their fourth string QB this year due to injuries and Covid. His backup was a walk-on freshman. On paper, what Choate accomplished was impressive:

Prukop - All American leaves program to join Oregon after Choate hire.
Brugman - 4 star with experience in Power 5 conference. Looked great in practice but couldn’t pass accurately during games.
Murray - Best athlete on the field, but pass accuracy issues. Leaves school due to grades. Was supposed to rejoin the program but didn’t qualify despite working with the team for a full year.
Jonsen - 4 star from Oregon. Was considered one of the top three dual threat QB’s in the country coming out of high school. Slips on ice and breaks foot after arriving on campus.
Andersen - Recruited to play defense but sheer athleticism makes him the best option at QB.
Rovig - Prepping for his first collegiate start at QB and breaks foot in practice when someone accidentally steps on his foot while jogging in the field house.
Bauman - Has the strongest arm on the team but has issues with decision making and accuracy. He was young and was forced to play before he is really ready.
McKay - NC State transfer who looks like the real deal.
Mellot - Top recruit in state of Montana committed to MSU after intense recruiting battle with rival. Already looks impressive during initial camp.

It is hard to believe all the bad luck that has occurred at that position. It is also hard to say that any other coach would not have made the same decisions that Choate did. He did what any other coach would have done.

That’s a pretty rosy way of looking at things.

Bruggman was a highly ranked recruit coming out of HS, transferred twice, and had pretty mediocre stats coming out of JUCO before coming here.

Jonsen was a highly ranked recruit coming out of HS, and didn’t even start at his JUCO before coming here.

Andersen is/was an elite athlete that probably shouldn’t have been a college QB.

Rovig was a very solid QB recruit for this level, he just didn’t hit.

Bauman was a very raw QB recruit, and it seems like he stills needs quite a bit of seasoning before he’s ready to play. Possible TE.

McKay sounds like he will be the starter and the best QB we’ve had in Choate’s tenure.

Mellot seems like a solid QB recruit for this level.

I would say the only bad luck was that QB that was committed here for a while and then decommitted for a bigger school. Expecting Bruggman or Jonsen to be good QB’s was foolish. They hadn’t succeeded in college anywhere prior to coming here. Rovig and Bauman were just misses. That happens. I would not call that bad luck, but maybe poor planning.

I don’t buy into this whole “Choate can’t/hasn’t developed a QB” thing, but I don’t think it can be called all bad luck either. There were some poor decisions made in terms of who to bring in, and also in development.

All fair points. As mentioned in another post, I think most coaches would make the same decisions so hard to fault Choate. I mean how often does a iaa program get to have a 4 star nationally recruited QB in the program? It is also pretty amazing that he has been able to be successful despite the setbacks.

[gtapp]

Do you think Choate would have an interest in a DC position at a Power 5 school? That would be a huge raise and put him in a position for an FBS head coaching job.

[wbtfg]

Do you think Choate would have an interest in a DC position at a Power 5 school? That would be a huge raise and put him in a position for an FBS head coaching job.

I don't think so. I get the impression he really likes being a head coach. I think he likes being able to set the mission/schedule/culture/staff/etc....and I have to say, he's damn good at it.

To use an analogy, I think he'd rather build his own successful small business rather than going to the corporate world to chase more money.

[VimSince03]

Boise State and then Washington under Petersen have been running teams with big play capabilities. I believe this is the kind of offense Choate wants. Even though the first few years here haven't quite worked out that way because of the quarterback situation, I don't think he'd veer off that path and try to install at Boise what we have here at MSU. We would have a much different offense right now if the quarterback situation during Choate's first two years here were better.

I think that this illustrates a major weakness in Choate’s resume. He simply has not developed a quarterback. He has had plenty of time to identify and recruit the position. Don’t forget he was very high on Bruggman at the beginning of his first season ... basically handing him the job the day he was signed.

I don’t disagree and I think Choate would agree with anyone who calls him out on it. He actually addressed it once. The issue was made worse by Messingham leaving after one season, so there was a continuity setback. Let’s not forget that after leaving MSU, Bruggman landed at a big name FBS school (I forget which one) and he arrived here from an FBS school. So he’s fooled more than Choate and it’s not really fair to single out Choate for the Bruggman con.

Choate has owned it and learned from it. I think that’s a good trait in a coach. Despite his age, I think Choate’s career trajectory is still trending upwards.

Remember Ed Orgeron’s first head coach gig? He was run out of Ole Miss and that’s a place where they’ll tolerate losing. Like Choate, Orgeron cut his teeth on the defensive side of the ball. Orgeron learned from his mistakes and grew from them. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who would turn down Orgeron today.

Choate may not have developed QB, but that’s why he hires the X’s and O’s wizards. He’s also never represented himself as someone who develops QB’s. Our last awesome QB under Ash could barely get us past the first round. So it seems you’ve got to recognize there’s more to team success than the QB, even if it is the most important position.

One of Choate best traits is that he keeps learning. He also knows what his weaknesses are and honestly assessed himself.

Those are really good traits in a coach.

And he just needs to be honest in those discussions about his setbacks at QB. He has not had the success he wanted at QB, but has there ever been been a string of setbacks like that at another school? Maybe Wisconsin this year when they were on their fourth string QB this year due to injuries and Covid. His backup was a walk-on freshman. On paper, what Choate accomplished was impressive:

Prukop - All American leaves program to join Oregon after Choate hire.
Brugman - 4 star with experience in Power 5 conference. Looked great in practice but couldn’t pass accurately during games.
Murray - Best athlete on the field, but pass accuracy issues. Leaves school due to grades. Was supposed to rejoin the program but didn’t qualify despite working with the team for a full year.
Jonsen - 4 star from Oregon. Was considered one of the top three dual threat QB’s in the country coming out of high school. Slips on ice and breaks foot after arriving on campus.
Andersen - Recruited to play defense but sheer athleticism makes him the best option at QB.
Rovig - Prepping for his first collegiate start at QB and breaks foot in practice when someone accidentally steps on his foot while jogging in the field house.
Bauman - Has the strongest arm on the team but has issues with decision making and accuracy. He was young and was forced to play before he is really ready.
McKay - NC State transfer who looks like the real deal.
Mellot - Top recruit in state of Montana committed to MSU after intense recruiting battle with rival. Already looks impressive during initial camp.

It is hard to believe all the bad luck that has occurred at that position. It is also hard to say that any other coach would not have made the same decisions that Choate did. He did what any other coach would have done.

That’s a pretty rosy way of looking at things.

Bruggman was a highly ranked recruit coming out of HS, transferred twice, and had pretty mediocre stats coming out of JUCO before coming here.

Jonsen was a highly ranked recruit coming out of HS, and didn’t even start at his JUCO before coming here.

Andersen is/was an elite athlete that probably shouldn’t have been a college QB.

Rovig was a very solid QB recruit for this level, he just didn’t hit.

Bauman was a very raw QB recruit, and it seems like he stills needs quite a bit of seasoning before he’s ready to play. Possible TE.

McKay sounds like he will be the starter and the best QB we’ve had in Choate’s tenure.

Mellot seems like a solid QB recruit for this level.

I would say the only bad luck was that QB that was committed here for a while and then decommitted for a bigger school. Expecting Bruggman or Jonsen to be good QB’s was foolish. They hadn’t succeeded in college anywhere prior to coming here. Rovig and Bauman were just misses. That happens. I would not call that bad luck, but maybe poor planning.

I don’t buy into this whole “Choate can’t/hasn’t developed a QB” thing, but I don’t think it can be called all bad luck either. There were some poor decisions made in terms of who to bring in, and also in development.

All fair points. As mentioned in another post, I think most coaches would make the same decisions so hard to fault Choate. I mean how often does a iaa program get to have a 4 star nationally recruited QB in the program? It is also pretty amazing that he has been able to be successful despite the setbacks.

That's the biggest tease of the QB position under Choate's tenure: how good will the team be once he hits on one that can provide the total package that's expected from a QB at this level?

[wbtfg]

Boise State and then Washington under Petersen have been running teams with big play capabilities. I believe this is the kind of offense Choate wants. Even though the first few years here haven't quite worked out that way because of the quarterback situation, I don't think he'd veer off that path and try to install at Boise what we have here at MSU. We would have a much different offense right now if the quarterback situation during Choate's first two years here were better.

I think that this illustrates a major weakness in Choate’s resume. He simply has not developed a quarterback. He has had plenty of time to identify and recruit the position. Don’t forget he was very high on Bruggman at the beginning of his first season ... basically handing him the job the day he was signed.

I don’t disagree and I think Choate would agree with anyone who calls him out on it. He actually addressed it once. The issue was made worse by Messingham leaving after one season, so there was a continuity setback. Let’s not forget that after leaving MSU, Bruggman landed at a big name FBS school (I forget which one) and he arrived here from an FBS school. So he’s fooled more than Choate and it’s not really fair to single out Choate for the Bruggman con.

Choate has owned it and learned from it. I think that’s a good trait in a coach. Despite his age, I think Choate’s career trajectory is still trending upwards.

Remember Ed Orgeron’s first head coach gig? He was run out of Ole Miss and that’s a place where they’ll tolerate losing. Like Choate, Orgeron cut his teeth on the defensive side of the ball. Orgeron learned from his mistakes and grew from them. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who would turn down Orgeron today.

Choate may not have developed QB, but that’s why he hires the X’s and O’s wizards. He’s also never represented himself as someone who develops QB’s. Our last awesome QB under Ash could barely get us past the first round. So it seems you’ve got to recognize there’s more to team success than the QB, even if it is the most important position.

One of Choate best traits is that he keeps learning. He also knows what his weaknesses are and honestly assessed himself.

Those are really good traits in a coach.

And he just needs to be honest in those discussions about his setbacks at QB. He has not had the success he wanted at QB, but has there ever been been a string of setbacks like that at another school? Maybe Wisconsin this year when they were on their fourth string QB this year due to injuries and Covid. His backup was a walk-on freshman. On paper, what Choate accomplished was impressive:

Prukop - All American leaves program to join Oregon after Choate hire.
Brugman - 4 star with experience in Power 5 conference. Looked great in practice but couldn’t pass accurately during games.
Murray - Best athlete on the field, but pass accuracy issues. Leaves school due to grades. Was supposed to rejoin the program but didn’t qualify despite working with the team for a full year.
Jonsen - 4 star from Oregon. Was considered one of the top three dual threat QB’s in the country coming out of high school. Slips on ice and breaks foot after arriving on campus.
Andersen - Recruited to play defense but sheer athleticism makes him the best option at QB.
Rovig - Prepping for his first collegiate start at QB and breaks foot in practice when someone accidentally steps on his foot while jogging in the field house.
Bauman - Has the strongest arm on the team but has issues with decision making and accuracy. He was young and was forced to play before he is really ready.
McKay - NC State transfer who looks like the real deal.
Mellot - Top recruit in state of Montana committed to MSU after intense recruiting battle with rival. Already looks impressive during initial camp.

It is hard to believe all the bad luck that has occurred at that position. It is also hard to say that any other coach would not have made the same decisions that Choate did. He did what any other coach would have done.

That’s a pretty rosy way of looking at things.

Bruggman was a highly ranked recruit coming out of HS, transferred twice, and had pretty mediocre stats coming out of JUCO before coming here.

Jonsen was a highly ranked recruit coming out of HS, and didn’t even start at his JUCO before coming here.

Andersen is/was an elite athlete that probably shouldn’t have been a college QB.

Rovig was a very solid QB recruit for this level, he just didn’t hit.

Bauman was a very raw QB recruit, and it seems like he stills needs quite a bit of seasoning before he’s ready to play. Possible TE.

McKay sounds like he will be the starter and the best QB we’ve had in Choate’s tenure.

Mellot seems like a solid QB recruit for this level.

I would say the only bad luck was that QB that was committed here for a while and then decommitted for a bigger school. Expecting Bruggman or Jonsen to be good QB’s was foolish. They hadn’t succeeded in college anywhere prior to coming here. Rovig and Bauman were just misses. That happens. I would not call that bad luck, but maybe poor planning.

I don’t buy into this whole “Choate can’t/hasn’t developed a QB” thing, but I don’t think it can be called all bad luck either. There were some poor decisions made in terms of who to bring in, and also in development.

All fair points. As mentioned in another post, I think most coaches would make the same decisions so hard to fault Choate. I mean how often does a iaa program get to have a 4 star nationally recruited QB in the program? It is also pretty amazing that he has been able to be successful despite the setbacks.

That's the biggest tease of the QB position under Choate's tenure: how good will the team be once he hits on one that can provide the total package that's expected from a QB at this level?

Not only QB's but also an OC that will stick around for more than 1 year. I think we've had 5 OC's in the past 5 years? Messingham, Armstrong, Cole, Miller, Udy

[bobcat99]

Boise State and then Washington under Petersen have been running teams with big play capabilities. I believe this is the kind of offense Choate wants. Even though the first few years here haven't quite worked out that way because of the quarterback situation, I don't think he'd veer off that path and try to install at Boise what we have here at MSU. We would have a much different offense right now if the quarterback situation during Choate's first two years here were better.

I think that this illustrates a major weakness in Choate’s resume. He simply has not developed a quarterback. He has had plenty of time to identify and recruit the position. Don’t forget he was very high on Bruggman at the beginning of his first season ... basically handing him the job the day he was signed.

I don’t disagree and I think Choate would agree with anyone who calls him out on it. He actually addressed it once. The issue was made worse by Messingham leaving after one season, so there was a continuity setback. Let’s not forget that after leaving MSU, Bruggman landed at a big name FBS school (I forget which one) and he arrived here from an FBS school. So he’s fooled more than Choate and it’s not really fair to single out Choate for the Bruggman con.

Choate has owned it and learned from it. I think that’s a good trait in a coach. Despite his age, I think Choate’s career trajectory is still trending upwards.

Remember Ed Orgeron’s first head coach gig? He was run out of Ole Miss and that’s a place where they’ll tolerate losing. Like Choate, Orgeron cut his teeth on the defensive side of the ball. Orgeron learned from his mistakes and grew from them. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who would turn down Orgeron today.

Choate may not have developed QB, but that’s why he hires the X’s and O’s wizards. He’s also never represented himself as someone who develops QB’s. Our last awesome QB under Ash could barely get us past the first round. So it seems you’ve got to recognize there’s more to team success than the QB, even if it is the most important position.

One of Choate best traits is that he keeps learning. He also knows what his weaknesses are and honestly assessed himself.

Those are really good traits in a coach.

And he just needs to be honest in those discussions about his setbacks at QB. He has not had the success he wanted at QB, but has there ever been been a string of setbacks like that at another school? Maybe Wisconsin this year when they were on their fourth string QB this year due to injuries and Covid. His backup was a walk-on freshman. On paper, what Choate accomplished was impressive:

Prukop - All American leaves program to join Oregon after Choate hire.
Brugman - 4 star with experience in Power 5 conference. Looked great in practice but couldn’t pass accurately during games.
Murray - Best athlete on the field, but pass accuracy issues. Leaves school due to grades. Was supposed to rejoin the program but didn’t qualify despite working with the team for a full year.
Jonsen - 4 star from Oregon. Was considered one of the top three dual threat QB’s in the country coming out of high school. Slips on ice and breaks foot after arriving on campus.
Andersen - Recruited to play defense but sheer athleticism makes him the best option at QB.
Rovig - Prepping for his first collegiate start at QB and breaks foot in practice when someone accidentally steps on his foot while jogging in the field house.
Bauman - Has the strongest arm on the team but has issues with decision making and accuracy. He was young and was forced to play before he is really ready.
McKay - NC State transfer who looks like the real deal.
Mellot - Top recruit in state of Montana committed to MSU after intense recruiting battle with rival. Already looks impressive during initial camp.

It is hard to believe all the bad luck that has occurred at that position. It is also hard to say that any other coach would not have made the same decisions that Choate did. He did what any other coach would have done.

That’s a pretty rosy way of looking at things.

Bruggman was a highly ranked recruit coming out of HS, transferred twice, and had pretty mediocre stats coming out of JUCO before coming here.

Jonsen was a highly ranked recruit coming out of HS, and didn’t even start at his JUCO before coming here.

Andersen is/was an elite athlete that probably shouldn’t have been a college QB.

Rovig was a very solid QB recruit for this level, he just didn’t hit.

Bauman was a very raw QB recruit, and it seems like he stills needs quite a bit of seasoning before he’s ready to play. Possible TE.

McKay sounds like he will be the starter and the best QB we’ve had in Choate’s tenure.

Mellot seems like a solid QB recruit for this level.

I would say the only bad luck was that QB that was committed here for a while and then decommitted for a bigger school. Expecting Bruggman or Jonsen to be good QB’s was foolish. They hadn’t succeeded in college anywhere prior to coming here. Rovig and Bauman were just misses. That happens. I would not call that bad luck, but maybe poor planning.

I don’t buy into this whole “Choate can’t/hasn’t developed a QB” thing, but I don’t think it can be called all bad luck either. There were some poor decisions made in terms of who to bring in, and also in development.

All fair points. As mentioned in another post, I think most coaches would make the same decisions so hard to fault Choate. I mean how often does a iaa program get to have a 4 star nationally recruited QB in the program? It is also pretty amazing that he has been able to be successful despite the setbacks.

That's the biggest tease of the QB position under Choate's tenure: how good will the team be once he hits on one that can provide the total package that's expected from a QB at this level?

Not only QB's but also an OC that will stick around for more than 1 year. I think we've had 5 OC's in the past 5 years? Messingham, Armstrong, Cole, Miller, Udy

Certainly makes a big difference.

[bobcat99]

Boise State and then Washington under Petersen have been running teams with big play capabilities. I believe this is the kind of offense Choate wants. Even though the first few years here haven't quite worked out that way because of the quarterback situation, I don't think he'd veer off that path and try to install at Boise what we have here at MSU. We would have a much different offense right now if the quarterback situation during Choate's first two years here were better.

I think that this illustrates a major weakness in Choate’s resume. He simply has not developed a quarterback. He has had plenty of time to identify and recruit the position. Don’t forget he was very high on Bruggman at the beginning of his first season ... basically handing him the job the day he was signed.

I don’t disagree and I think Choate would agree with anyone who calls him out on it. He actually addressed it once. The issue was made worse by Messingham leaving after one season, so there was a continuity setback. Let’s not forget that after leaving MSU, Bruggman landed at a big name FBS school (I forget which one) and he arrived here from an FBS school. So he’s fooled more than Choate and it’s not really fair to single out Choate for the Bruggman con.

Choate has owned it and learned from it. I think that’s a good trait in a coach. Despite his age, I think Choate’s career trajectory is still trending upwards.

Remember Ed Orgeron’s first head coach gig? He was run out of Ole Miss and that’s a place where they’ll tolerate losing. Like Choate, Orgeron cut his teeth on the defensive side of the ball. Orgeron learned from his mistakes and grew from them. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who would turn down Orgeron today.

Choate may not have developed QB, but that’s why he hires the X’s and O’s wizards. He’s also never represented himself as someone who develops QB’s. Our last awesome QB under Ash could barely get us past the first round. So it seems you’ve got to recognize there’s more to team success than the QB, even if it is the most important position.

One of Choate best traits is that he keeps learning. He also knows what his weaknesses are and honestly assessed himself.

Those are really good traits in a coach.

And he just needs to be honest in those discussions about his setbacks at QB. He has not had the success he wanted at QB, but has there ever been been a string of setbacks like that at another school? Maybe Wisconsin this year when they were on their fourth string QB this year due to injuries and Covid. His backup was a walk-on freshman. On paper, what Choate accomplished was impressive:

Prukop - All American leaves program to join Oregon after Choate hire.
Brugman - 4 star with experience in Power 5 conference. Looked great in practice but couldn’t pass accurately during games.
Murray - Best athlete on the field, but pass accuracy issues. Leaves school due to grades. Was supposed to rejoin the program but didn’t qualify despite working with the team for a full year.
Jonsen - 4 star from Oregon. Was considered one of the top three dual threat QB’s in the country coming out of high school. Slips on ice and breaks foot after arriving on campus.
Andersen - Recruited to play defense but sheer athleticism makes him the best option at QB.
Rovig - Prepping for his first collegiate start at QB and breaks foot in practice when someone accidentally steps on his foot while jogging in the field house.
Bauman - Has the strongest arm on the team but has issues with decision making and accuracy. He was young and was forced to play before he is really ready.
McKay - NC State transfer who looks like the real deal.
Mellot - Top recruit in state of Montana committed to MSU after intense recruiting battle with rival. Already looks impressive during initial camp.

It is hard to believe all the bad luck that has occurred at that position. It is also hard to say that any other coach would not have made the same decisions that Choate did. He did what any other coach would have done.

That’s a pretty rosy way of looking at things.

Bruggman was a highly ranked recruit coming out of HS, transferred twice, and had pretty mediocre stats coming out of JUCO before coming here.

Jonsen was a highly ranked recruit coming out of HS, and didn’t even start at his JUCO before coming here.

Andersen is/was an elite athlete that probably shouldn’t have been a college QB.

Rovig was a very solid QB recruit for this level, he just didn’t hit.

Bauman was a very raw QB recruit, and it seems like he stills needs quite a bit of seasoning before he’s ready to play. Possible TE.

McKay sounds like he will be the starter and the best QB we’ve had in Choate’s tenure.

Mellot seems like a solid QB recruit for this level.

I would say the only bad luck was that QB that was committed here for a while and then decommitted for a bigger school. Expecting Bruggman or Jonsen to be good QB’s was foolish. They hadn’t succeeded in college anywhere prior to coming here. Rovig and Bauman were just misses. That happens. I would not call that bad luck, but maybe poor planning.

I don’t buy into this whole “Choate can’t/hasn’t developed a QB” thing, but I don’t think it can be called all bad luck either. There were some poor decisions made in terms of who to bring in, and also in development.

All fair points. As mentioned in another post, I think most coaches would make the same decisions so hard to fault Choate. I mean how often does a iaa program get to have a 4 star nationally recruited QB in the program? It is also pretty amazing that he has been able to be successful despite the setbacks.

That's the biggest tease of the QB position under Choate's tenure: how good will the team be once he hits on one that can provide the total package that's expected from a QB at this level?

The irony if he leaves right before the season where it looks like we might have that.