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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by RickRund » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:36 am

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:00 am
The one in Trader Joe's, correct. Didn't watch the video... You were definitely spot on there. She really lost it. I don't wear a mask but if I go to a business that requires it I will wear it if I want their product. Not that big of a deal with me.



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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by coloradocat » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:12 am

Cataholic wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:37 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:24 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:54 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:25 pm
grizzh8r wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:52 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:50 am
wapiti wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:43 am
The Butcher wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:08 pm
wapiti wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:43 pm
Better to get it now during early summer than during the season this fall.
Not sure there will be a season. ☹️
Don't be such a Debbie Downer. There will be a season.
Covid-19 has over a 99% recovery rate. It's about the same as the common flu.
Where do you get this nonsense? The official CDC numbers say that over 5% diagnosed will die. Experts agree that it is much likely lower but it's not certain at all. Even if it's 99% survivable that is still 10X worse than the seasonal flu. Credible experts disagree about the lethality and have been wrong about this at every turn. This virus is new and nobody knows the end game here. Covid19 has the potential to be the worst pandemic in American history.
That would require nearly 700k deaths, then. Sorry, don't see that happening. Have you seen the numbers? I'm no statistician, but this is a very strong downward trend:

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+covid+deaths

It would take another half million to come even close to the Spanish flu estimate for the US. It's hyperbolic statements like this that only serve to feed the hype machine and fear mongers. Stop it!
Yea hyperbolic my asscheeks. The spanish flu killed 600,000 in two years during a war. That is ~25,000/month. This virus has killed 125,000 in four months, that is certainly on pace to rival the spanish flu ~31,000/month. The spanish flu went through several peaks and valleys in the two years it was active.
The US population in 1918 was less than one-third of what it is today. That changes your comparison significantly.
So what? The point is that we are on pace to have more people dead from this than the spanish flu. I guess we'll put an asterisk by the statistics in the history books to make you feel better.
Do I really have to explain? 25,000 per 100 million is much different than 31,000 per 360 million.
Apparently you do. Some people want deaths to continue to rise to validate their opinion.



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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by ilovethecats » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:46 pm

coloradocat wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:12 am
Cataholic wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:37 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:24 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:54 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:25 pm
grizzh8r wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:52 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:50 am
wapiti wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:43 am
The Butcher wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:08 pm
wapiti wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:43 pm
Better to get it now during early summer than during the season this fall.
Not sure there will be a season. ☹️
Don't be such a Debbie Downer. There will be a season.
Covid-19 has over a 99% recovery rate. It's about the same as the common flu.
Where do you get this nonsense? The official CDC numbers say that over 5% diagnosed will die. Experts agree that it is much likely lower but it's not certain at all. Even if it's 99% survivable that is still 10X worse than the seasonal flu. Credible experts disagree about the lethality and have been wrong about this at every turn. This virus is new and nobody knows the end game here. Covid19 has the potential to be the worst pandemic in American history.
That would require nearly 700k deaths, then. Sorry, don't see that happening. Have you seen the numbers? I'm no statistician, but this is a very strong downward trend:

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+covid+deaths

It would take another half million to come even close to the Spanish flu estimate for the US. It's hyperbolic statements like this that only serve to feed the hype machine and fear mongers. Stop it!
Yea hyperbolic my asscheeks. The spanish flu killed 600,000 in two years during a war. That is ~25,000/month. This virus has killed 125,000 in four months, that is certainly on pace to rival the spanish flu ~31,000/month. The spanish flu went through several peaks and valleys in the two years it was active.
The US population in 1918 was less than one-third of what it is today. That changes your comparison significantly.
So what? The point is that we are on pace to have more people dead from this than the spanish flu. I guess we'll put an asterisk by the statistics in the history books to make you feel better.
Do I really have to explain? 25,000 per 100 million is much different than 31,000 per 360 million.
Apparently you do. Some people want deaths to continue to rise to validate their opinion.
Yep. I’ve seen lots of crazy arguments on both sides of this pandemic. But comparing deaths of a flu 100 years ago to Covid deaths, and completely ignoring the human population of both time periods when making this comparison, is honestly just asinine. There’s no reason whatsoever to disregard populations unless your agenda is simply to make Covid as deadly as possible.

I honestly don’t get it.



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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by TomCat88 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:05 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:46 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:12 am
Cataholic wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:37 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:24 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:54 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:25 pm
grizzh8r wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:52 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:50 am
wapiti wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:43 am
The Butcher wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:08 pm


Not sure there will be a season. ☹️
Don't be such a Debbie Downer. There will be a season.
Covid-19 has over a 99% recovery rate. It's about the same as the common flu.
Where do you get this nonsense? The official CDC numbers say that over 5% diagnosed will die. Experts agree that it is much likely lower but it's not certain at all. Even if it's 99% survivable that is still 10X worse than the seasonal flu. Credible experts disagree about the lethality and have been wrong about this at every turn. This virus is new and nobody knows the end game here. Covid19 has the potential to be the worst pandemic in American history.
That would require nearly 700k deaths, then. Sorry, don't see that happening. Have you seen the numbers? I'm no statistician, but this is a very strong downward trend:

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+covid+deaths

It would take another half million to come even close to the Spanish flu estimate for the US. It's hyperbolic statements like this that only serve to feed the hype machine and fear mongers. Stop it!
Yea hyperbolic my asscheeks. The spanish flu killed 600,000 in two years during a war. That is ~25,000/month. This virus has killed 125,000 in four months, that is certainly on pace to rival the spanish flu ~31,000/month. The spanish flu went through several peaks and valleys in the two years it was active.
The US population in 1918 was less than one-third of what it is today. That changes your comparison significantly.
So what? The point is that we are on pace to have more people dead from this than the spanish flu. I guess we'll put an asterisk by the statistics in the history books to make you feel better.
Do I really have to explain? 25,000 per 100 million is much different than 31,000 per 360 million.
Apparently you do. Some people want deaths to continue to rise to validate their opinion.
Yep. I’ve seen lots of crazy arguments on both sides of this pandemic. But comparing deaths of a flu 100 years ago to Covid deaths, and completely ignoring the human population of both time periods when making this comparison, is honestly just asinine. There’s no reason whatsoever to disregard populations unless your agenda is simply to make Covid as deadly as possible.

I honestly don’t get it.
You also have to account for advances in general health/medical procedures. The higher number of deaths from 1918 compared to today has a lot to do with people not knowing what the best practices were. Put Covid-19 back in 1918 and you perhaps have more than 120,000 deaths and vice versa put Spanish flu in 2020 and it might be a whole different story with maybe only 100,00 deaths. Who knows? Until more data comes in it's all just guesswork. We don't have pandemics annually so, unlike weather, they're very difficult to compare/contrast and model for. If all you did was compare 1918 to 2020, then you would probably guess that this might be as bad as Spanish flu and if so, with triple the population the deaths will be triple. So 600,000 in 1918 with 1/3 the population becomes 1.8 million in 2020 with no or very little countermeasures like distancing, cleaning, masks etc. Put Covid-19 back to 1918, then maybe there's 1.2 million deaths.


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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by catatac » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:27 pm

Covid deaths are still dropping, tapering off significantly as Iooked at today's numbers.


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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by TomCat88 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:44 pm

catatac wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:27 pm
Covid deaths are still dropping, tapering off significantly as Iooked at today's numbers.
They are and that's great. I tend to believe that's the biggest stat assuming that the people just getting sick are recovering fully. The Sunday and Monday numbers are always way down for some reason. I believe most counts are from the previous day, so Sun/Mon counts are actually Sat/Sun counts and since it's the weekend a lot of numbers aren't recorded until the Tuesday count, which is almost always the highest. I always compare day of the week numbers, because day-by-day can be misleading.

But, yes, low death counts are great to see despite the high number of cases. I hope that holds and the death spike isn't coming in a few days, but I'm leery of that because that's how it went in New York and New Jersey a couple months ago. I think it's mostly due to more testing and better ability to curb its effects. Keeping fingers crossed.


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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by RickRund » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:50 pm

Saw a news story this morning on FOX Business of a bar at the Univ of Mich where they traced 85 cases of covid and over half were asymptomatic.



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Post by Cledus » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:24 pm

RickRund wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:50 pm
Saw a news story this morning on FOX Business of a bar at the Univ of Mich where they traced 85 cases of covid and over half were asymptomatic.
There doesn’t seem to be any reliable indicators for how people’s bodies react to the infection. Some people say it’s the worst experience they’ve endured and other people shrug it off and say they barely noticed anything.


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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by MSU01 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:28 pm

RickRund wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:50 pm
Saw a news story this morning on FOX Business of a bar at the Univ of Mich where they traced 85 cases of covid and over half were asymptomatic.
I'm sure the 85 people at this college bar are an unbiased sample, and representative of the population at large with regard to basic demographic variables of interest.


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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by ilovethecats » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:31 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:05 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:46 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:12 am
Cataholic wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:37 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:24 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:54 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:25 pm
grizzh8r wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:52 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:50 am
wapiti wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:43 am


Don't be such a Debbie Downer. There will be a season.
Covid-19 has over a 99% recovery rate. It's about the same as the common flu.
Where do you get this nonsense? The official CDC numbers say that over 5% diagnosed will die. Experts agree that it is much likely lower but it's not certain at all. Even if it's 99% survivable that is still 10X worse than the seasonal flu. Credible experts disagree about the lethality and have been wrong about this at every turn. This virus is new and nobody knows the end game here. Covid19 has the potential to be the worst pandemic in American history.
That would require nearly 700k deaths, then. Sorry, don't see that happening. Have you seen the numbers? I'm no statistician, but this is a very strong downward trend:

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+covid+deaths

It would take another half million to come even close to the Spanish flu estimate for the US. It's hyperbolic statements like this that only serve to feed the hype machine and fear mongers. Stop it!
Yea hyperbolic my asscheeks. The spanish flu killed 600,000 in two years during a war. That is ~25,000/month. This virus has killed 125,000 in four months, that is certainly on pace to rival the spanish flu ~31,000/month. The spanish flu went through several peaks and valleys in the two years it was active.
The US population in 1918 was less than one-third of what it is today. That changes your comparison significantly.
So what? The point is that we are on pace to have more people dead from this than the spanish flu. I guess we'll put an asterisk by the statistics in the history books to make you feel better.
Do I really have to explain? 25,000 per 100 million is much different than 31,000 per 360 million.
Apparently you do. Some people want deaths to continue to rise to validate their opinion.
Yep. I’ve seen lots of crazy arguments on both sides of this pandemic. But comparing deaths of a flu 100 years ago to Covid deaths, and completely ignoring the human population of both time periods when making this comparison, is honestly just asinine. There’s no reason whatsoever to disregard populations unless your agenda is simply to make Covid as deadly as possible.

I honestly don’t get it.
You also have to account for advances in general health/medical procedures. The higher number of deaths from 1918 compared to today has a lot to do with people not knowing what the best practices were. Put Covid-19 back in 1918 and you perhaps have more than 120,000 deaths and vice versa put Spanish flu in 2020 and it might be a whole different story with maybe only 100,00 deaths. Who knows? Until more data comes in it's all just guesswork. We don't have pandemics annually so, unlike weather, they're very difficult to compare/contrast and model for. If all you did was compare 1918 to 2020, then you would probably guess that this might be as bad as Spanish flu and if so, with triple the population the deaths will be triple. So 600,000 in 1918 with 1/3 the population becomes 1.8 million in 2020 with no or very little countermeasures like distancing, cleaning, masks etc. Put Covid-19 back to 1918, then maybe there's 1.2 million deaths.
I can agree with that logic for sure. That should all most certainly be taken into account.



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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by PHAT CAT » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:41 pm

I got it the end of February. Headache for three days. My back and hips hurt. I slept for days The worst part was the rash. It started on one side of my body and it moved to the other side. The rash was like I'd been bite 50 times on both sides. That rash sucked.



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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by TomCat88 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:14 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:31 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:05 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:46 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:12 am
Cataholic wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:37 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:24 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:54 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:25 pm
grizzh8r wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:52 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:50 am

Where do you get this nonsense? The official CDC numbers say that over 5% diagnosed will die. Experts agree that it is much likely lower but it's not certain at all. Even if it's 99% survivable that is still 10X worse than the seasonal flu. Credible experts disagree about the lethality and have been wrong about this at every turn. This virus is new and nobody knows the end game here. Covid19 has the potential to be the worst pandemic in American history.
That would require nearly 700k deaths, then. Sorry, don't see that happening. Have you seen the numbers? I'm no statistician, but this is a very strong downward trend:

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+covid+deaths

It would take another half million to come even close to the Spanish flu estimate for the US. It's hyperbolic statements like this that only serve to feed the hype machine and fear mongers. Stop it!
Yea hyperbolic my asscheeks. The spanish flu killed 600,000 in two years during a war. That is ~25,000/month. This virus has killed 125,000 in four months, that is certainly on pace to rival the spanish flu ~31,000/month. The spanish flu went through several peaks and valleys in the two years it was active.
The US population in 1918 was less than one-third of what it is today. That changes your comparison significantly.
So what? The point is that we are on pace to have more people dead from this than the spanish flu. I guess we'll put an asterisk by the statistics in the history books to make you feel better.
Do I really have to explain? 25,000 per 100 million is much different than 31,000 per 360 million.
Apparently you do. Some people want deaths to continue to rise to validate their opinion.
Yep. I’ve seen lots of crazy arguments on both sides of this pandemic. But comparing deaths of a flu 100 years ago to Covid deaths, and completely ignoring the human population of both time periods when making this comparison, is honestly just asinine. There’s no reason whatsoever to disregard populations unless your agenda is simply to make Covid as deadly as possible.

I honestly don’t get it.
You also have to account for advances in general health/medical procedures. The higher number of deaths from 1918 compared to today has a lot to do with people not knowing what the best practices were. Put Covid-19 back in 1918 and you perhaps have more than 120,000 deaths and vice versa put Spanish flu in 2020 and it might be a whole different story with maybe only 100,00 deaths. Who knows? Until more data comes in it's all just guesswork. We don't have pandemics annually so, unlike weather, they're very difficult to compare/contrast and model for. If all you did was compare 1918 to 2020, then you would probably guess that this might be as bad as Spanish flu and if so, with triple the population the deaths will be triple. So 600,000 in 1918 with 1/3 the population becomes 1.8 million in 2020 with no or very little countermeasures like distancing, cleaning, masks etc. Put Covid-19 back to 1918, then maybe there's 1.2 million deaths.
I can agree with that logic for sure. That should all most certainly be taken into account.
Sidebar: I watched a YouTube video called "the five worst times to be alive in human history." It called the era from 1917 to 1945 the worst ever. My dad was born in 1917 and survived the Spanish flu as an infant, had polio as a young boy, then went through the Great Depression, then went to Europe for WWII. Things got really bad for him starting 58 years ago tomorrow...June 30, 1962. :wink:


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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by ilovethecats » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:17 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:14 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:31 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:05 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:46 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:12 am
Cataholic wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:37 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:24 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:54 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:25 pm
grizzh8r wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:52 pm


That would require nearly 700k deaths, then. Sorry, don't see that happening. Have you seen the numbers? I'm no statistician, but this is a very strong downward trend:

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+covid+deaths

It would take another half million to come even close to the Spanish flu estimate for the US. It's hyperbolic statements like this that only serve to feed the hype machine and fear mongers. Stop it!
Yea hyperbolic my asscheeks. The spanish flu killed 600,000 in two years during a war. That is ~25,000/month. This virus has killed 125,000 in four months, that is certainly on pace to rival the spanish flu ~31,000/month. The spanish flu went through several peaks and valleys in the two years it was active.
The US population in 1918 was less than one-third of what it is today. That changes your comparison significantly.
So what? The point is that we are on pace to have more people dead from this than the spanish flu. I guess we'll put an asterisk by the statistics in the history books to make you feel better.
Do I really have to explain? 25,000 per 100 million is much different than 31,000 per 360 million.
Apparently you do. Some people want deaths to continue to rise to validate their opinion.
Yep. I’ve seen lots of crazy arguments on both sides of this pandemic. But comparing deaths of a flu 100 years ago to Covid deaths, and completely ignoring the human population of both time periods when making this comparison, is honestly just asinine. There’s no reason whatsoever to disregard populations unless your agenda is simply to make Covid as deadly as possible.

I honestly don’t get it.
You also have to account for advances in general health/medical procedures. The higher number of deaths from 1918 compared to today has a lot to do with people not knowing what the best practices were. Put Covid-19 back in 1918 and you perhaps have more than 120,000 deaths and vice versa put Spanish flu in 2020 and it might be a whole different story with maybe only 100,00 deaths. Who knows? Until more data comes in it's all just guesswork. We don't have pandemics annually so, unlike weather, they're very difficult to compare/contrast and model for. If all you did was compare 1918 to 2020, then you would probably guess that this might be as bad as Spanish flu and if so, with triple the population the deaths will be triple. So 600,000 in 1918 with 1/3 the population becomes 1.8 million in 2020 with no or very little countermeasures like distancing, cleaning, masks etc. Put Covid-19 back to 1918, then maybe there's 1.2 million deaths.
I can agree with that logic for sure. That should all most certainly be taken into account.
Sidebar: I watched a YouTube video called "the five worst times to be alive in human history." It called the era from 1917 to 1945 the worst ever. My dad was born in 1917 and survived the Spanish flu as an infant, had polio as a young boy, then went through the Great Depression, then went to Europe for WWII. Things got really bad for him starting 58 years ago tomorrow...June 30, 1962. :wink:
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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by TomCat88 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:49 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:17 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:14 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:31 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:05 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:46 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:12 am
Cataholic wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:37 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:24 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:54 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:25 pm

Yea hyperbolic my asscheeks. The spanish flu killed 600,000 in two years during a war. That is ~25,000/month. This virus has killed 125,000 in four months, that is certainly on pace to rival the spanish flu ~31,000/month. The spanish flu went through several peaks and valleys in the two years it was active.
The US population in 1918 was less than one-third of what it is today. That changes your comparison significantly.
So what? The point is that we are on pace to have more people dead from this than the spanish flu. I guess we'll put an asterisk by the statistics in the history books to make you feel better.
Do I really have to explain? 25,000 per 100 million is much different than 31,000 per 360 million.
Apparently you do. Some people want deaths to continue to rise to validate their opinion.
Yep. I’ve seen lots of crazy arguments on both sides of this pandemic. But comparing deaths of a flu 100 years ago to Covid deaths, and completely ignoring the human population of both time periods when making this comparison, is honestly just asinine. There’s no reason whatsoever to disregard populations unless your agenda is simply to make Covid as deadly as possible.

I honestly don’t get it.
You also have to account for advances in general health/medical procedures. The higher number of deaths from 1918 compared to today has a lot to do with people not knowing what the best practices were. Put Covid-19 back in 1918 and you perhaps have more than 120,000 deaths and vice versa put Spanish flu in 2020 and it might be a whole different story with maybe only 100,00 deaths. Who knows? Until more data comes in it's all just guesswork. We don't have pandemics annually so, unlike weather, they're very difficult to compare/contrast and model for. If all you did was compare 1918 to 2020, then you would probably guess that this might be as bad as Spanish flu and if so, with triple the population the deaths will be triple. So 600,000 in 1918 with 1/3 the population becomes 1.8 million in 2020 with no or very little countermeasures like distancing, cleaning, masks etc. Put Covid-19 back to 1918, then maybe there's 1.2 million deaths.
I can agree with that logic for sure. That should all most certainly be taken into account.
Sidebar: I watched a YouTube video called "the five worst times to be alive in human history." It called the era from 1917 to 1945 the worst ever. My dad was born in 1917 and survived the Spanish flu as an infant, had polio as a young boy, then went through the Great Depression, then went to Europe for WWII. Things got really bad for him starting 58 years ago tomorrow...June 30, 1962. :wink:
Happy Birthday! \:D/
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I got it the end of February. Headache for three days. My back and hips hurt. I slept for days The worst part was the rash. It started on one side of my body and it moved to the other side. The rash was like I'd been bite 50 times on both sides. That rash sucked.
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Post by RickRund » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:58 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:17 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:14 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:31 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:05 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:46 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:12 am
Cataholic wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:37 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:24 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:54 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:25 pm

Yea hyperbolic my asscheeks. The spanish flu killed 600,000 in two years during a war. That is ~25,000/month. This virus has killed 125,000 in four months, that is certainly on pace to rival the spanish flu ~31,000/month. The spanish flu went through several peaks and valleys in the two years it was active.
The US population in 1918 was less than one-third of what it is today. That changes your comparison significantly.
So what? The point is that we are on pace to have more people dead from this than the spanish flu. I guess we'll put an asterisk by the statistics in the history books to make you feel better.
Do I really have to explain? 25,000 per 100 million is much different than 31,000 per 360 million.
Apparently you do. Some people want deaths to continue to rise to validate their opinion.
Yep. I’ve seen lots of crazy arguments on both sides of this pandemic. But comparing deaths of a flu 100 years ago to Covid deaths, and completely ignoring the human population of both time periods when making this comparison, is honestly just asinine. There’s no reason whatsoever to disregard populations unless your agenda is simply to make Covid as deadly as possible.

I honestly don’t get it.
You also have to account for advances in general health/medical procedures. The higher number of deaths from 1918 compared to today has a lot to do with people not knowing what the best practices were. Put Covid-19 back in 1918 and you perhaps have more than 120,000 deaths and vice versa put Spanish flu in 2020 and it might be a whole different story with maybe only 100,00 deaths. Who knows? Until more data comes in it's all just guesswork. We don't have pandemics annually so, unlike weather, they're very difficult to compare/contrast and model for. If all you did was compare 1918 to 2020, then you would probably guess that this might be as bad as Spanish flu and if so, with triple the population the deaths will be triple. So 600,000 in 1918 with 1/3 the population becomes 1.8 million in 2020 with no or very little countermeasures like distancing, cleaning, masks etc. Put Covid-19 back to 1918, then maybe there's 1.2 million deaths.
I can agree with that logic for sure. That should all most certainly be taken into account.
Sidebar: I watched a YouTube video called "the five worst times to be alive in human history." It called the era from 1917 to 1945 the worst ever. My dad was born in 1917 and survived the Spanish flu as an infant, had polio as a young boy, then went through the Great Depression, then went to Europe for WWII. Things got really bad for him starting 58 years ago tomorrow...June 30, 1962. :wink:
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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by catatac » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:31 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:44 pm
catatac wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:27 pm
Covid deaths are still dropping, tapering off significantly as Iooked at today's numbers.
They are and that's great. I tend to believe that's the biggest stat assuming that the people just getting sick are recovering fully. The Sunday and Monday numbers are always way down for some reason. I believe most counts are from the previous day, so Sun/Mon counts are actually Sat/Sun counts and since it's the weekend a lot of numbers aren't recorded until the Tuesday count, which is almost always the highest. I always compare day of the week numbers, because day-by-day can be misleading.

But, yes, low death counts are great to see despite the high number of cases. I hope that holds and the death spike isn't coming in a few days, but I'm leery of that because that's how it went in New York and New Jersey a couple months ago. I think it's mostly due to more testing and better ability to curb its effects. Keeping fingers crossed.
Yes! Same here, it's always interesting to see those numbers and yes, the peak for the week is always Tues or Wed. At any rate, same here with the fingers crossed. The overall trend is trending the right way for now. I don't know how to post just the graph for the U.S. since this started, but it's in this link if people want to look.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by ilovethecats » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:50 pm

catatac wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:31 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:44 pm
catatac wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:27 pm
Covid deaths are still dropping, tapering off significantly as Iooked at today's numbers.
They are and that's great. I tend to believe that's the biggest stat assuming that the people just getting sick are recovering fully. The Sunday and Monday numbers are always way down for some reason. I believe most counts are from the previous day, so Sun/Mon counts are actually Sat/Sun counts and since it's the weekend a lot of numbers aren't recorded until the Tuesday count, which is almost always the highest. I always compare day of the week numbers, because day-by-day can be misleading.

But, yes, low death counts are great to see despite the high number of cases. I hope that holds and the death spike isn't coming in a few days, but I'm leery of that because that's how it went in New York and New Jersey a couple months ago. I think it's mostly due to more testing and better ability to curb its effects. Keeping fingers crossed.
Yes! Same here, it's always interesting to see those numbers and yes, the peak for the week is always Tues or Wed. At any rate, same here with the fingers crossed. The overall trend is trending the right way for now. I don't know how to post just the graph for the U.S. since this started, but it's in this link if people want to look.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Cases are going way up. Deaths have been going down. Even if the positive cases are the ONLY positive cases this is a good thing. If you’re of the belief that I am, that there are WAY more people positive than we know about, this decline in deaths is even more important.

If the epidemiologists that predicted positive cases could be EIGHTY times higher than we know....what does that say about the deadliness or even the danger of the virus?



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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by codecat » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:02 pm

Cledus wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:46 am
This spike in new cases seems to coincide with all the blm protests and riots. What a weird coincidence, don’t you think?
Not so weird when you find out that the primary purpose of blm is fundraising for the left - they are experts at hiding a lesser motive behind a seemingly good one.


Socialism - the financial model historically used to control the masses! It has noting to do with
freedom, and seriously erodes the primary constitutional freedom of free enterprise.

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Re: Covid hits MSU athletes

Post by Norsky19 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:01 am

grizzh8r wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:52 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:50 am
wapiti wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:43 am
The Butcher wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:08 pm
wapiti wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:43 pm
Better to get it now during early summer than during the season this fall.
Not sure there will be a season. ☹️
Don't be such a Debbie Downer. There will be a season.
Covid-19 has over a 99% recovery rate. It's about the same as the common flu.
Where do you get this nonsense? The official CDC numbers say that over 5% diagnosed will die. Experts agree that it is much likely lower but it's not certain at all. Even if it's 99% survivable that is still 10X worse than the seasonal flu. Credible experts disagree about the lethality and have been wrong about this at every turn. This virus is new and nobody knows the end game here. Covid19 has the potential to be the worst pandemic in American history.
That would require nearly 700k deaths, then. Sorry, don't see that happening. Have you seen the numbers? I'm no statistician, but this is a very strong downward trend:

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+covid+deaths

It would take another half million to come even close to the Spanish flu estimate for the US. It's hyperbolic statements like this that only serve to feed the hype machine and fear mongers. Stop it!
THIS!! If we weren't in an election year nothing would be shutting down. We can expect the craziness and hyperbole every 4 years.



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