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Re: FCS Games 11/9

Post by coloradocat » Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:03 pm

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I'm not sold that the tweet was about what people think it was. I just don't see it. Fife was invited to talk at a presser early in the season and on his pod, CN pointed out how rare that is with BH. And spoke about his maturity. A mature qb doesn't tweet something meaning what people interpret it to be. So I just don't see it meaning what people thought it meant.
Mature people never get frustrated with their situation.


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Re: FCS Games 11/9

Post by nanacat » Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:11 pm

MSU01 wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:05 pm
nanacat wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:21 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:03 pm
This explains a lot.

He needs to care. Of course he won't reveal that he's a screw up coach, or there's a problem, but I bet he's losing the locker room. The fans have got to be growing weary of his shtick. Or they should be. Pathetic.
I think recruits are starting to pay attention as well. Just look at the list of Montana kids who have committed to MSU this year versus the list going to UM. Good thing for Bobby that he Bergen'd his way to Frisco last year or I'm not sure if the fans and administration over there would have anywhere near this much patience with his crap.
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Re: FCS Games 11/9

Post by nanacat » Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:57 am

JudithBasinCat wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:41 pm
nanacat wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:28 pm
Bocephus wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:02 am
MSU01 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 12:50 am
The Griz should try a three QB system, it couldn't be any dumber than whatever the hell they're doing now.
That is the most disjointed clown show of QB rotations I have ever seen.
I saw a comment on fb inferring Ah Yat was being played due to booster expectations and maybe a financial incentive as well. Would Bobby be manipulated like that? Likely not, but clearly the 2 QB system he's running is not working.
My guess is that he was playing this much to keep him happy so he doesn’t transfer.
You really think he'd transfer away from his dad's Alma mater if he didn't play as a freshman?



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Re: FCS Games 11/9

Post by JudithBasinCat » Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:15 am

nanacat wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:57 am
JudithBasinCat wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:41 pm
nanacat wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:28 pm
Bocephus wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:02 am
MSU01 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 12:50 am
The Griz should try a three QB system, it couldn't be any dumber than whatever the hell they're doing now.
That is the most disjointed clown show of QB rotations I have ever seen.
I saw a comment on fb inferring Ah Yat was being played due to booster expectations and maybe a financial incentive as well. Would Bobby be manipulated like that? Likely not, but clearly the 2 QB system he's running is not working.
My guess is that he was playing this much to keep him happy so he doesn’t transfer.
You really think he'd transfer away from his dad's Alma mater if he didn't play as a freshman?
I guess it just depends on what’s more important to him; just being at his dad’s Alma mater, or actually getting to play.



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Re: FCS Games 11/9

Post by ClowderUp » Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:20 am

JudithBasinCat wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:15 am
nanacat wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:57 am
JudithBasinCat wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:41 pm
nanacat wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:28 pm
Bocephus wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:02 am
MSU01 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 12:50 am
The Griz should try a three QB system, it couldn't be any dumber than whatever the hell they're doing now.
That is the most disjointed clown show of QB rotations I have ever seen.
I saw a comment on fb inferring Ah Yat was being played due to booster expectations and maybe a financial incentive as well. Would Bobby be manipulated like that? Likely not, but clearly the 2 QB system he's running is not working.
My guess is that he was playing this much to keep him happy so he doesn’t transfer.
You really think he'd transfer away from his dad's Alma mater if he didn't play as a freshman?
I guess it just depends on what’s more important to him; just being at his dad’s Alma mater, or actually getting to play.
Strange part is why aren't they using the Bobcat method. If Fife is that much better, then let the kid get the team to a big lead first. Then Ay Yat with the first team for a series or two, then the rest of the way with the scrubs. Wilson already has over 100 reps of live action.



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Re: FCS Games 11/9

Post by Lord Vigo » Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:28 pm

ClowderUp wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:20 am
Strange part is why aren't they using the Bobcat method. If Fife is that much better, then let the kid get the team to a big lead first. Then Ay Yat with the first team for a series or two, then the rest of the way with the scrubs. Wilson already has over 100 reps of live action.
The problem with this approach is that while Fife is considerably better than Ah Yat, he's not anything special. Neither him nor the team is good enough, in most games, to build a massive lead that would allow for backups to play.



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Re: FCS Games 11/9

Post by ClowderUp » Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:29 pm

Lord Vigo wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:28 pm
ClowderUp wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:20 am
Strange part is why aren't they using the Bobcat method. If Fife is that much better, then let the kid get the team to a big lead first. Then Ay Yat with the first team for a series or two, then the rest of the way with the scrubs. Wilson already has over 100 reps of live action.
The problem with this approach is that while Fife is considerably better than Ah Yat, he's not anything special. Neither him nor the team is good enough, in most games, to build a massive lead that would allow for backups to play.
I would have agreed until I read the stat lines. It seems Fife is actually significantly better than Ay Yat, so one can't say for certain about the big leads in these otherwise close games. There have been several that qualify as is (Morehead, UNC, Poly). I'm wondering if they didn't rotate in the NAU, EWU, Weber, and WCU games if they could have been much bigger leads. Sometimes it's a moment early that changes the whole course of a game. Could those moments have swayed these games in the gris favor without the idiotic QB rotation? Regardless, I think we agree Bobby is a complete dumbass with this approach.



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Re: FCS Games 11/9

Post by Lord Vigo » Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:49 pm

ClowderUp wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:29 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:28 pm
ClowderUp wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:20 am
Strange part is why aren't they using the Bobcat method. If Fife is that much better, then let the kid get the team to a big lead first. Then Ay Yat with the first team for a series or two, then the rest of the way with the scrubs. Wilson already has over 100 reps of live action.
The problem with this approach is that while Fife is considerably better than Ah Yat, he's not anything special. Neither him nor the team is good enough, in most games, to build a massive lead that would allow for backups to play.
I would have agreed until I read the stat lines. It seems Fife is actually significantly better than Ay Yat, so one can't say for certain about the big leads in these otherwise close games. There have been several that qualify as is (Morehead, UNC, Poly). I'm wondering if they didn't rotate in the NAU, EWU, Weber, and WCU games if they could have been much bigger leads. Sometimes it's a moment early that changes the whole course of a game. Could those moments have swayed these games in the gris favor without the idiotic QB rotation? Regardless, I think we agree Bobby is a complete dumbass with this approach.
I think those stats are misleading because of how tiny the samples are. Their stats for Fife are from three games— WEB, EW, and NAU. Only one of those teams (NAU) can play a lick of defense and Fife was bad in that game.

Fife is a B- QB. Better than average, but not special. So he’s better than Ah Yat, who is more like a D right now, but the Griz would not be world beaters with him as the lone QB. They’re just not that good.



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Re: FCS Games 11/9

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:56 pm

MSU01 wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:05 pm
nanacat wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:21 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:03 pm
This explains a lot.

He needs to care. Of course he won't reveal that he's a screw up coach, or there's a problem, but I bet he's losing the locker room. The fans have got to be growing weary of his shtick. Or they should be. Pathetic.
I think recruits are starting to pay attention as well. Just look at the list of Montana kids who have committed to MSU this year versus the list going to UM. Good thing for Bobby that he Bergen'd his way to Frisco last year or I'm not sure if the fans and administration over there would have anywhere near this much patience with his crap.
Bergen'd. :lol: That's a good one. Did you just make that up? Or have I been out of the loop?


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Re: FCS Games 11/9

Post by Lord Vigo » Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:24 pm

Bobby's whole philosophy is that you don't have stars in your program-- it's all about the team rather than the individual. Everyone has to compete, no one is handed anything, no one is given the red carpet treatment.

I actually love that in this era of college sport.

In my opinion, the problem is that he undermined his own credibility with how he handled Robby. He tailored the defense to get Robby cheap stats and then tried to control the #37 process so that Robby would wear the legacy number.

I think that debacle was a major sea change for how people viewed the way Bobby operates. It remains to be seen if he can stick it out until it all blows over.



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Re: FCS Games 11/9

Post by GoodTimesAllTheTime » Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:31 pm

ClowderUp wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:29 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:28 pm
ClowderUp wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:20 am
Strange part is why aren't they using the Bobcat method. If Fife is that much better, then let the kid get the team to a big lead first. Then Ay Yat with the first team for a series or two, then the rest of the way with the scrubs. Wilson already has over 100 reps of live action.
The problem with this approach is that while Fife is considerably better than Ah Yat, he's not anything special. Neither him nor the team is good enough, in most games, to build a massive lead that would allow for backups to play.
I would have agreed until I read the stat lines. It seems Fife is actually significantly better than Ay Yat, so one can't say for certain about the big leads in these otherwise close games. There have been several that qualify as is (Morehead, UNC, Poly). I'm wondering if they didn't rotate in the NAU, EWU, Weber, and WCU games if they could have been much bigger leads. Sometimes it's a moment early that changes the whole course of a game. Could those moments have swayed these games in the gris favor without the idiotic QB rotation? Regardless, I think we agree Bobby is a complete dumbass with this approach.
Part of the problem with the stats is that Bobby clearly isn’t rotating on a consistent basis. He is pulling QBs when they don’t look good, so the stats where Fife alone plays doesn’t tell the whole story. It sure looks like they flip Ah Yat or Fife in as a direct reaction to how the other is playing. It’s more trying to see what sticks. So the QBs are allowed to stay in when they look good against bad defenses and pulled when they look bad against good ones.



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