Yale at No. 2 Montana State - Skyline Sports

[Colter_Nuanez]

[grizzh8r]

Am I in the right place?

Yale put out some game notes here. It may not be an interview, and it doesn't contain an injury report, but it's something. We want info, too!

Thanks for the link, and welcome to BN lostdogfan!

[CodyCat]

Am I in the right place?

Yale put out some game notes here. It may not be an interview, and it doesn't contain an injury report, but it's something. We want info, too!

I love having new posters during the playoffs. Can you break down Yale’s strengths, weaknesses, and players to watch?

I was really bummed to hear Yale said no to Colters interviews.

[lostdogfan]

I love having new posters during the playoffs. Can you break down Yale’s strengths, weaknesses, and players to watch?

Only from the perspective of the bum in row 37 who's a couple deep. So don't believe anything I say.

• I think most of what you'll find out there is largely right. The offense runs through Pitsenberger and the strength of an offensive line that will be missing its starting left guard, a senior. Dante Reno has had his moments and frankly I've been pleasantly surprised by him; for all the ups and downs, he plays rather like you'd expect a raw guy in his first year of starting to play.
• The secondary is very capable in man coverage but has at times struggled with big receivers. Neither starting corner is taller than six feet. On the other hand, the nickel (number 4) has an NFL future, the linebackers get all over the field (watch especially for 24, the team's leading tackler) and number 2, an end –- if he plays –- has caused a lot of trouble up front.
• Tony Reno's wife is named Toni. That's a strength, right?

What I don't really buy is the suggestion that Yale will be intimidated by the setting or the moment. This team played in front of 52,000 people two weeks ago; they played on the road in front of 31,000 last year; Dante Reno has been on the field in SEC stadiums. Does MSU have a fantastic home field advantage? No question. Will altitude come into play? Probably -- the Yale basketball team struggled to adjust in its first-round NCAA tourney game in Denver this past March. Does all of that mean that these guys will be deers in headlights, and Tony Reno will have to take out the world's longest tape measure and do his best Norman Dale impression? I don't see it. I think this is a special season, the guys are fired up and don't really have anything to lose, and there's nothing really to feel pressure about.

Does all of that preclude them from losing 55-7? Of course not.

I was really bummed to hear Yale said no to Colters interviews.

Yeah, they tend to run a pretty tight ship. It's also finals season...and frankly I have no idea how the team is handling that (everything about this is new!), but I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of it.

A couple other thoughts:

• I had a conversation with a buddy on how we'd describe this game. I don't think it's Yale's most important of the last fifteen years (in retrospect, Harvard in 2016), or the biggest (couple options, maybe Harvard a couple weeks ago), or would even be the most gratifying if Yale won (probably Army in 2014)...but it might be the most fun.
• Everyone's talking in another thread about chili and whatever else in their tailgates. Where do I find those, and what should I bring?

[cats2506]

I love having new posters during the playoffs. Can you break down Yale’s strengths, weaknesses, and players to watch?

Only from the perspective of the bum in row 37 who's a couple deep. So don't believe anything I say.

• I think most of what you'll find out there is largely right. The offense runs through Pitsenberger and the strength of an offensive line that will be missing its starting left guard, a senior. Dante Reno has had his moments and frankly I've been pleasantly surprised by him, but he plays rather like you'd expect a raw guy in his first year of starting to play.
• The secondary is very capable in man coverage but has at times struggled with big receivers. Neither starting corner is taller than six feet. On the other hand, the nickel (number 4) has an NFL future, the linebackers get all over the field (watch especially for 24, the team's leading tackler) and number 2, an end –- if he plays –- has caused a lot of trouble up front.
• Tony Reno's wife is named Toni. That's a strength, right?

What I don't really buy is the suggestion that Yale will be intimidated by the setting or the moment. This team played in front of 52,000 people two weeks ago; they played on the road in front of 31,000 last year; Dante Reno has been on the field in SEC stadiums. Does MSU have a fantastic home field advantage? No question. Will altitude come into play? Probably -- the Yale basketball team struggled to adjust in its first-round NCAA tourney game in Denver this past March. Does all of that mean that these guys will be deers in headlights, and Tony Reno will have to take out the world's longest tape measure and do his best Norman Dale impression? I don't see it. I think this is a special season, the guys are fired up and don't really have anything to lose, and there's nothing really to feel pressure about.

Does all of that preclude them from losing 55-7? Of course not.

I was really bummed to hear Yale said no to Colters interviews.

Yeah, they tend to run a pretty tight ship. It's also finals season...and frankly I have no idea how the team is handling that (everything about this is new!), but I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of it.

A couple other thoughts:

• I had a conversation with a buddy on how we'd describe this game. I don't think it's Yale's most important of the last fifteen years (in retrospect, Harvard in 2016), or the biggest (couple options, maybe Harvard a couple weeks ago), or would even be the most gratifying if Yale won (probably Army in 2014)...but it might be the most fun.
• Everyone's talking in another thread about chili and beer and whatever else in their tailgates. Where do I find those, and what should I bring?

Thanks so much for the info. Do you know if many fans are coming to the game.
One of the best things about playoffs is getting to learn more about other teams we don't often see. Myself and many other were excited to have a historic Ivy League champion coming to Bozeman. So you can hopefully understand our disappointment in the lack of information and dialog.

I hope in the future the Ivy League will start scheduling more teams outside their own bubble, its what makes college football a lot of fun.

[CodyCat]

I love having new posters during the playoffs. Can you break down Yale’s strengths, weaknesses, and players to watch?

Only from the perspective of the bum in row 37 who's a couple deep. So don't believe anything I say.

• I think most of what you'll find out there is largely right. The offense runs through Pitsenberger and the strength of an offensive line that will be missing its starting left guard, a senior. Dante Reno has had his moments and frankly I've been pleasantly surprised by him; for all the ups and downs, he plays rather like you'd expect a raw guy in his first year of starting to play.
• The secondary is very capable in man coverage but has at times struggled with big receivers. Neither starting corner is taller than six feet. On the other hand, the nickel (number 4) has an NFL future, the linebackers get all over the field (watch especially for 24, the team's leading tackler) and number 2, an end –- if he plays –- has caused a lot of trouble up front.
• Tony Reno's wife is named Toni. That's a strength, right?

What I don't really buy is the suggestion that Yale will be intimidated by the setting or the moment. This team played in front of 52,000 people two weeks ago; they played on the road in front of 31,000 last year; Dante Reno has been on the field in SEC stadiums. Does MSU have a fantastic home field advantage? No question. Will altitude come into play? Probably -- the Yale basketball team struggled to adjust in its first-round NCAA tourney game in Denver this past March. Does all of that mean that these guys will be deers in headlights, and Tony Reno will have to take out the world's longest tape measure and do his best Norman Dale impression? I don't see it. I think this is a special season, the guys are fired up and don't really have anything to lose, and there's nothing really to feel pressure about.

Does all of that preclude them from losing 55-7? Of course not.

I was really bummed to hear Yale said no to Colters interviews.

Yeah, they tend to run a pretty tight ship. It's also finals season...and frankly I have no idea how the team is handling that (everything about this is new!), but I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of it.

A couple other thoughts:

• I had a conversation with a buddy on how we'd describe this game. I don't think it's Yale's most important of the last fifteen years (in retrospect, Harvard in 2016), or the biggest (couple options, maybe Harvard a couple weeks ago), or would even be the most gratifying if Yale won (probably Army in 2014)...but it might be the most fun.
• Everyone's talking in another thread about chili and whatever else in their tailgates. Where do I find those, and what should I bring?

I would concentrate on the Northwest side of the stadium. Just walk around and you won’t have any trouble finding food and drinks. With the early kickoff I doubt the tailgates will fill up until about 1030 or 1100 allowing for a great opportunity to get fed. You will be welcomed at most tailgates. Enjoy!

[lostdogfan]

Thanks so much for the info. Do you know if many fans are coming to the game.
One of the best things about playoffs is getting to learn more about other teams we don't often see. Myself and many other were excited to have a historic Ivy League champion coming to Bozeman. So you can hopefully understand our disappointment in the lack of information and dialog.

I hope in the future the Ivy League will start scheduling more teams outside their own bubble, its what makes college football a lot of fun.

No idea about the number. I know someone who heard from the ticket office (Yale's) a couple days ago that tickets from the team's allotment were no longer available to the public. What the team's allotment is, I have no clue. Could be a hundred, could be a thousand. Whether there are still unallocated tickets held in reserve for players' families or whatever, and whether those will or won't be used -- again, no clue.

Regarding available info: you're not alone. It's something that Yale fans have been seeing play out for some time. There's a long view of this, which is not too long ago, Yale and Ivy coverage was on the front page of the New York Times' sports section, games were airing on ABC, average attendance was 30k, whatever else -- and now things look very different. That shift has been a conscious choice by the university and the league, and I would argue the right choice if you boil it down to a binary, but everything has its tradeoffs. The present-day view of this is that games are no longer aired on FM or AM radio (although ESPN+ has been a godsend). The only beat reporter left that the team has is from the student newspaper. (Which is not to dismiss the quality of the Yale Daily News, and if you want good, recent articles, you certainly should check them out. But not even the New Haven Register really covers the team.) The athletic department has had fantastic success over the past decade, and it's a great time to be an alum if you like winning, but that's also come with some moves that some would argue have hampered community interest. (Choosing not to support radio coverage might be one example.) Again...tradeoffs to everything.

I hope scheduling practices will expand, too. We had a home-and-home against Richmond scheduled. We got 2019 in at their place (big fourth quarter comeback win!), then the home side got COVIDed. We had a four game, 2-and-2 vs. Mercer on the books: beat them at the Bowl once, then never played the other three. It's tough with 10 games, and when our season starts four weeks after everyone else's, and when you want to keep the regional and historic connections going. The Patriot and the Ivy have built up this Northeast sandbox with each other for so long...I think there's a lot of institutional commitment there. So who knows.

But I'm so thrilled to have this game. What a blast.

[AFCAT]

Am I in the right place?

Yale put out some game notes here. It may not be an interview, and it doesn't contain an injury report, but it's something. We want info, too!

Yeah, not much there. That's too bad there isn't more local news coverage about this game. I see there is very little information about the game on the Yale social media pages too. One minor detail, MSU did play Maine last season, so that's the most recent game against a team from New England, not Bryant.

As a guy that loves to visit historical places, I'd really like Yale and MSU to schedule home and home series. I want to see the Bobcats play in that Yale stadium.

[RICO CAT]

It’s fun to see interviews with the opposing team’s coach to get an idea of their personality. There are some real characters out there. Think it makes things more interesting. I’m guessing Yale is holding their cards close to their vest, hoping to catch the Cats hungover from their last win. The Bulldogs will be all business, that’s for sure. It would be awesome to see a game at the Yale Bowl, such a historic venue.

[kwcat]

A particularly enjoyed the part where JP talked with Schlep the night before the game.
He talked about being consistent and just keep jabbing and not hinging the game on one play because those big things do happen.
I think largely that culture started when Choate came that we were never out of the game.
In the past, quite a few of the teams and definitely Bobcat Nation has overreacted anytime a play doesn’t go our way. The biggest Takeaway is there are abs and flows and you consistently keep working in those bounces come your way.
The fan base is getting better at games realizing when we’re behind it’s not the end of the game yet. It’s why I have always hated the term losing when somebody gives you the score. I say we are losing by 10 points. I’ve always preferred to say we are down by 10. I think it’s a different mindset. I think that’s what JP was trying to convey.
You don’t lose until the game is over or until mentally you give up that’s the only two ways.
Yale was a good example of that against Youngstown State last week.
Yale will come in with a good plan just like most opposing teams do. Regardless of what happens. The game is not over until it’s over.

[RockyBearCat]

Thanks so much for the info. Do you know if many fans are coming to the game.
One of the best things about playoffs is getting to learn more about other teams we don't often see. Myself and many other were excited to have a historic Ivy League champion coming to Bozeman. So you can hopefully understand our disappointment in the lack of information and dialog.

I hope in the future the Ivy League will start scheduling more teams outside their own bubble, its what makes college football a lot of fun.

No idea about the number. I know someone who heard from the ticket office (Yale's) a couple days ago that tickets from the team's allotment were no longer available to the public. What the team's allotment is, I have no clue. Could be a hundred, could be a thousand. Whether there are still unallocated tickets held in reserve for players' families or whatever, and whether those will or won't be used -- again, no clue.

Regarding available info: you're not alone. It's something that Yale fans have been seeing play out for some time. There's a long view of this, which is not too long ago, Yale and Ivy coverage was on the front page of the New York Times' sports section, games were airing on ABC, average attendance was 30k, whatever else -- and now things look very different. That shift has been a conscious choice by the university and the league, and I would argue the right choice if you boil it down to a binary, but everything has its tradeoffs. The present-day view of this is that games are no longer aired on FM or AM radio (although ESPN+ has been a godsend). The only beat reporter left that the team has is from the student newspaper. (Which is not to dismiss the quality of the Yale Daily News, and if you want good, recent articles, you certainly should check them out. But not even the New Haven Register really covers the team.) The athletic department has had fantastic success over the past decade, and it's a great time to be an alum if you like winning, but that's also come with some moves that some would argue have hampered community interest. (Choosing not to support radio coverage might be one example.) Again...tradeoffs to everything.

I hope scheduling practices will expand, too. We had a home-and-home against Richmond scheduled. We got 2019 in at their place (big fourth quarter comeback win!), then the home side got COVIDed. We had a four game, 2-and-2 vs. Mercer on the books: beat them at the Bowl once, then never played the other three. It's tough with 10 games, and when our season starts four weeks after everyone else's, and when you want to keep the regional and historic connections going. The Patriot and the Ivy have built up this Northeast sandbox with each other for so long...I think there's a lot of institutional commitment there. So who knows.

But I'm so thrilled to have this game. What a blast.

@lostdogfan Our tailgate with smokehouse chili will be in #194-195 in the lot north of the stadium. The lot is just across Kagy, the main drive there that will be closed down. Hoping to set up around 9, chili should be hot by 10 or so. I'll have some ice cold Busch Light's and will make you a caesar if you are interested. Ask for Honsie.

[luckyirishguy25]

Thanks so much for the info. Do you know if many fans are coming to the game.
One of the best things about playoffs is getting to learn more about other teams we don't often see. Myself and many other were excited to have a historic Ivy League champion coming to Bozeman. So you can hopefully understand our disappointment in the lack of information and dialog.

I hope in the future the Ivy League will start scheduling more teams outside their own bubble, its what makes college football a lot of fun.

No idea about the number. I know someone who heard from the ticket office (Yale's) a couple days ago that tickets from the team's allotment were no longer available to the public. What the team's allotment is, I have no clue. Could be a hundred, could be a thousand. Whether there are still unallocated tickets held in reserve for players' families or whatever, and whether those will or won't be used -- again, no clue.

Regarding available info: you're not alone. It's something that Yale fans have been seeing play out for some time. There's a long view of this, which is not too long ago, Yale and Ivy coverage was on the front page of the New York Times' sports section, games were airing on ABC, average attendance was 30k, whatever else -- and now things look very different. That shift has been a conscious choice by the university and the league, and I would argue the right choice if you boil it down to a binary, but everything has its tradeoffs. The present-day view of this is that games are no longer aired on FM or AM radio (although ESPN+ has been a godsend). The only beat reporter left that the team has is from the student newspaper. (Which is not to dismiss the quality of the Yale Daily News, and if you want good, recent articles, you certainly should check them out. But not even the New Haven Register really covers the team.) The athletic department has had fantastic success over the past decade, and it's a great time to be an alum if you like winning, but that's also come with some moves that some would argue have hampered community interest. (Choosing not to support radio coverage might be one example.) Again...tradeoffs to everything.

I hope scheduling practices will expand, too. We had a home-and-home against Richmond scheduled. We got 2019 in at their place (big fourth quarter comeback win!), then the home side got COVIDed. We had a four game, 2-and-2 vs. Mercer on the books: beat them at the Bowl once, then never played the other three. It's tough with 10 games, and when our season starts four weeks after everyone else's, and when you want to keep the regional and historic connections going. The Patriot and the Ivy have built up this Northeast sandbox with each other for so long...I think there's a lot of institutional commitment there. So who knows.

But I'm so thrilled to have this game. What a blast.

@lostdogfan Our tailgate with smokehouse chili will be in #194-195 in the lot north of the stadium. The lot is just across Kagy, the main drive there that will be closed down. Hoping to set up around 9, chili should be hot by 10 or so. I'll have some ice cold Busch Light's and will make you a caesar if you are interested. Ask for Honsie.

Nothing says "welcome to Montana" like a cold Busch Light!

[RockyBearCat]

Thanks so much for the info. Do you know if many fans are coming to the game.
One of the best things about playoffs is getting to learn more about other teams we don't often see. Myself and many other were excited to have a historic Ivy League champion coming to Bozeman. So you can hopefully understand our disappointment in the lack of information and dialog.

I hope in the future the Ivy League will start scheduling more teams outside their own bubble, its what makes college football a lot of fun.

No idea about the number. I know someone who heard from the ticket office (Yale's) a couple days ago that tickets from the team's allotment were no longer available to the public. What the team's allotment is, I have no clue. Could be a hundred, could be a thousand. Whether there are still unallocated tickets held in reserve for players' families or whatever, and whether those will or won't be used -- again, no clue.

Regarding available info: you're not alone. It's something that Yale fans have been seeing play out for some time. There's a long view of this, which is not too long ago, Yale and Ivy coverage was on the front page of the New York Times' sports section, games were airing on ABC, average attendance was 30k, whatever else -- and now things look very different. That shift has been a conscious choice by the university and the league, and I would argue the right choice if you boil it down to a binary, but everything has its tradeoffs. The present-day view of this is that games are no longer aired on FM or AM radio (although ESPN+ has been a godsend). The only beat reporter left that the team has is from the student newspaper. (Which is not to dismiss the quality of the Yale Daily News, and if you want good, recent articles, you certainly should check them out. But not even the New Haven Register really covers the team.) The athletic department has had fantastic success over the past decade, and it's a great time to be an alum if you like winning, but that's also come with some moves that some would argue have hampered community interest. (Choosing not to support radio coverage might be one example.) Again...tradeoffs to everything.

I hope scheduling practices will expand, too. We had a home-and-home against Richmond scheduled. We got 2019 in at their place (big fourth quarter comeback win!), then the home side got COVIDed. We had a four game, 2-and-2 vs. Mercer on the books: beat them at the Bowl once, then never played the other three. It's tough with 10 games, and when our season starts four weeks after everyone else's, and when you want to keep the regional and historic connections going. The Patriot and the Ivy have built up this Northeast sandbox with each other for so long...I think there's a lot of institutional commitment there. So who knows.

But I'm so thrilled to have this game. What a blast.

@lostdogfan Our tailgate with smokehouse chili will be in #194-195 in the lot north of the stadium. The lot is just across Kagy, the main drive there that will be closed down. Hoping to set up around 9, chili should be hot by 10 or so. I'll have some ice cold Busch Light's and will make you a caesar if you are interested. Ask for Honsie.

Nothing says "welcome to Montana" like a cold Busch Light!

My thought exactly!

[BobcatDel]

Thanks so much for the info. Do you know if many fans are coming to the game.
One of the best things about playoffs is getting to learn more about other teams we don't often see. Myself and many other were excited to have a historic Ivy League champion coming to Bozeman. So you can hopefully understand our disappointment in the lack of information and dialog.

I hope in the future the Ivy League will start scheduling more teams outside their own bubble, its what makes college football a lot of fun.

No idea about the number. I know someone who heard from the ticket office (Yale's) a couple days ago that tickets from the team's allotment were no longer available to the public. What the team's allotment is, I have no clue. Could be a hundred, could be a thousand. Whether there are still unallocated tickets held in reserve for players' families or whatever, and whether those will or won't be used -- again, no clue.

Regarding available info: you're not alone. It's something that Yale fans have been seeing play out for some time. There's a long view of this, which is not too long ago, Yale and Ivy coverage was on the front page of the New York Times' sports section, games were airing on ABC, average attendance was 30k, whatever else -- and now things look very different. That shift has been a conscious choice by the university and the league, and I would argue the right choice if you boil it down to a binary, but everything has its tradeoffs. The present-day view of this is that games are no longer aired on FM or AM radio (although ESPN+ has been a godsend). The only beat reporter left that the team has is from the student newspaper. (Which is not to dismiss the quality of the Yale Daily News, and if you want good, recent articles, you certainly should check them out. But not even the New Haven Register really covers the team.) The athletic department has had fantastic success over the past decade, and it's a great time to be an alum if you like winning, but that's also come with some moves that some would argue have hampered community interest. (Choosing not to support radio coverage might be one example.) Again...tradeoffs to everything.

I hope scheduling practices will expand, too. We had a home-and-home against Richmond scheduled. We got 2019 in at their place (big fourth quarter comeback win!), then the home side got COVIDed. We had a four game, 2-and-2 vs. Mercer on the books: beat them at the Bowl once, then never played the other three. It's tough with 10 games, and when our season starts four weeks after everyone else's, and when you want to keep the regional and historic connections going. The Patriot and the Ivy have built up this Northeast sandbox with each other for so long...I think there's a lot of institutional commitment there. So who knows.

But I'm so thrilled to have this game. What a blast.

@lostdogfan Our tailgate with smokehouse chili will be in #194-195 in the lot north of the stadium. The lot is just across Kagy, the main drive there that will be closed down. Hoping to set up around 9, chili should be hot by 10 or so. I'll have some ice cold Busch Light's and will make you a caesar if you are interested. Ask for Honsie.

Nothing says "welcome to Montana" like a cold Busch Light!

Oh come on.... a Pendleton Ditch or a Pendelton whatever is waiting at our table. A whiskey ditch is probably not known too many places outside Montana??

[St George]

I love having new posters during the playoffs. Can you break down Yale’s strengths, weaknesses, and players to watch?

Only from the perspective of the bum in row 37 who's a couple deep. So don't believe anything I say.

• I think most of what you'll find out there is largely right. The offense runs through Pitsenberger and the strength of an offensive line that will be missing its starting left guard, a senior. Dante Reno has had his moments and frankly I've been pleasantly surprised by him; for all the ups and downs, he plays rather like you'd expect a raw guy in his first year of starting to play.
• The secondary is very capable in man coverage but has at times struggled with big receivers. Neither starting corner is taller than six feet. On the other hand, the nickel (number 4) has an NFL future, the linebackers get all over the field (watch especially for 24, the team's leading tackler) and number 2, an end –- if he plays –- has caused a lot of trouble up front.
• Tony Reno's wife is named Toni. That's a strength, right?

What I don't really buy is the suggestion that Yale will be intimidated by the setting or the moment. This team played in front of 52,000 people two weeks ago; they played on the road in front of 31,000 last year; Dante Reno has been on the field in SEC stadiums. Does MSU have a fantastic home field advantage? No question. Will altitude come into play? Probably -- the Yale basketball team struggled to adjust in its first-round NCAA tourney game in Denver this past March. Does all of that mean that these guys will be deers in headlights, and Tony Reno will have to take out the world's longest tape measure and do his best Norman Dale impression? I don't see it. I think this is a special season, the guys are fired up and don't really have anything to lose, and there's nothing really to feel pressure about.

Does all of that preclude them from losing 55-7? Of course not.

I was really bummed to hear Yale said no to Colters interviews.

Yeah, they tend to run a pretty tight ship. It's also finals season...and frankly I have no idea how the team is handling that (everything about this is new!), but I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of it.

A couple other thoughts:

• I had a conversation with a buddy on how we'd describe this game. I don't think it's Yale's most important of the last fifteen years (in retrospect, Harvard in 2016), or the biggest (couple options, maybe Harvard a couple weeks ago), or would even be the most gratifying if Yale won (probably Army in 2014)...but it might be the most fun.
• Everyone's talking in another thread about chili and whatever else in their tailgates. Where do I find those, and what should I bring?

If you can find the stadium, you can find the tailgates, Northwest of the stadium, Northeast of the stadium. across the street and North of the stadium. Great food and drink everywhere. It was not that long ago where one of the tailgates would have dressed a bear in a cardigan sweater and boat shoes and literally burnt it at the stake.

[nanacat]

I think this is the first time I've seen a Colter/Sammy interview, usually I just see Sammy's breakdowns. That was really good. Thanks guys!

[Augustus]

A whiskey ditch is probably not known too many places outside Montana??

I asked for one in New York once and only got a blank stare in response.

[AFCAT]

An article from the New Haven Register.
https://www.nhregister.com/college/arti ... ce=twitter

[nanacat]

I like what JP said about the Yale football player mentality, that they're meatheads who love football. It's easy to focus on the "nerdy" side of being students at Yale, but they're also very smart, intelligent young men. And let's not forget, the Cats QB is a graduate of Stanford, not exactly a community college. In order to graduate from schools like that you must be a very good student. Not to discount the students at MSU, especially the engineering students, but the days of football players being "big, dumb, jocks" is gone.

[vike_king]

A whiskey ditch is probably not known too many places outside Montana??

I asked for one in New York once and only got a blank stare in response.

I had the same experience in San Diego!