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Post by coachouert » Fri Nov 07, 2025 11:28 am

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I'd much rather play the Pandas in Zootown a second time that play the Bizen in Fargo.

UM ususally lays an egg at home in the playoffs.

NDSU is just flat out better than the gris.

Easier to travel to Missoula.

Cats would be REALLY hungry after losing the Brawl. I think the odds of the gris winning 2 consecutive 50-50 games are pretty long.
I agree with the easier to travel to Missoula and NDSU being flat out better because they are flat out better than everyone. Going to disagree on the laying an egg at home in the playoffs and the odds of winning two in a row being long. If I'm reading correctly, UM has lost four playoff games at home in the last twenty years, the last home loss being in 2013. Missoula is a hard place to play, especially in the playoffs. People thought Weber and Idaho would be hungry and it would be challenging to beat the Cats twice in one season and the Cats blew the doors off of both teams. Would they be hungry, absolutely. Would it still be a tough task, also absolutely.

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Post by RockyBearCat » Fri Nov 07, 2025 1:14 pm

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Is your very first point something you've seen the analysts say? I would think if NDSU loses to UND, the winner of Cat\Griz jumps to the #1 seed.
I agree if UND beats NDSU, Brawl winner is 1. Cats would have only 1 FCS loss to a then healthy #2 SDSU in 2OT if they win the brawl. Remember, everyone here and elsewhere were stating that it was NDSU at one level, SDSU at another level and then the CATS at the next level. All other top teams were in the next grouping. Also, if the hated gris go undefeated and beat #2/3 CATS the week before they go to 1.

Either way, Brawl winner jumps NDSU (loss to #15).
Am I reading you correctly? You think the loser of Cat griz will be a 15 seed? :shock:
No, that is not what I meant, I wasn't clear on that. I am saying if NDSU loses to #15 UND. I think brawl winner jumps to number 1. Brawl loser is likely still top 4.



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Post by ilovethecats » Fri Nov 07, 2025 2:06 pm

RockyBearCat wrote:
Fri Nov 07, 2025 1:14 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Nov 06, 2025 3:07 pm
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Is your very first point something you've seen the analysts say? I would think if NDSU loses to UND, the winner of Cat\Griz jumps to the #1 seed.
I agree if UND beats NDSU, Brawl winner is 1. Cats would have only 1 FCS loss to a then healthy #2 SDSU in 2OT if they win the brawl. Remember, everyone here and elsewhere were stating that it was NDSU at one level, SDSU at another level and then the CATS at the next level. All other top teams were in the next grouping. Also, if the hated gris go undefeated and beat #2/3 CATS the week before they go to 1.

Either way, Brawl winner jumps NDSU (loss to #15).
Am I reading you correctly? You think the loser of Cat griz will be a 15 seed? :shock:
No, that is not what I meant, I wasn't clear on that. I am saying if NDSU loses to #15 UND. I think brawl winner jumps to number 1. Brawl loser is likely still top 4.
Thanks, someone smarter than myself pointed out that's likely what you meant. I think you worded it fine. I'm struggling this week. :lol:



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Post by onceacat » Fri Nov 07, 2025 10:15 pm

coachouert wrote:
Fri Nov 07, 2025 11:28 am
onceacat wrote:
Fri Nov 07, 2025 10:42 am
I'd much rather play the Pandas in Zootown a second time that play the Bizen in Fargo.

UM ususally lays an egg at home in the playoffs.

NDSU is just flat out better than the gris.

Easier to travel to Missoula.

Cats would be REALLY hungry after losing the Brawl. I think the odds of the gris winning 2 consecutive 50-50 games are pretty long.
I agree with the easier to travel to Missoula and NDSU being flat out better because they are flat out better than everyone. Going to disagree on the laying an egg at home in the playoffs and the odds of winning two in a row being long. If I'm reading correctly, UM has lost four playoff games at home in the last twenty years, the last home loss being in 2013. Missoula is a hard place to play, especially in the playoffs. People thought Weber and Idaho would be hungry and it would be challenging to beat the Cats twice in one season and the Cats blew the doors off of both teams. Would they be hungry, absolutely. Would it still be a tough task, also absolutely.

This is a fun time of year.
4 games in 20 years sounds like a lot to me, given home field advantage and higher seeding. How many home games has NDSU lost in the same time frame.

It’s not just the losses either. Firman totally outplayed the Gris but lost the game on some Junior Bergen heroics.



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Post by ClowderUp » Sat Nov 08, 2025 8:11 am

Uhhh folks. We 100% no-question want to go back to Missoula as a 3 or 6 and not to Fargo as a 4 or 5 in the unlikely event of a Brawl loss. This shouldn't be a debate. Logistical ease, facility familiarity, preparation, planning, and many other intangibles would be more efficient and more effective playing a second time over there. Maybe, and this is a strong maybe, I would think differently if we get the doors blown off the first time. I just don't think that's going to happen. Sure, the Cats may lose, but it will be a competitive game.



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Post by Catprint » Sat Nov 08, 2025 8:45 am

WEEK 11 – PART 2 – MVVC Playoff Spots?; Big Sky Predictions; Best offense/Defense

Ran out of time this week with work and writing early. This is really late but I always want the information for comparison even if you don’t read it before the games on Saturday. So making it shorter and skipping some segments and leaving them until next week.

MVFC LOOK IN

So, there are still writers and FCS experts projecting 7 MVFC teams getting into the playoffs. I think that is just about impossible. So, I decided to look at some scenarios of the last three games. There are simply too many teams playing each other for there to be good enough resumes at 7-5. My chart

Look at some basic points
• Youngstown State and USD both have 4 losses. If they both win out, they will be 8-4. I don’t believe either of these teams get in at 7-5.
• South Dakota has to play the Jacks and SIU. The odds of winning out are not good. But if they beat SIU, then SIU will have 4 losses.
• But SIU also plays Youngstown State this weekend, so one of them will have 5 losses in this scenario.
• SIU has to win out to stay alive because they have a D-II game. But that will take Youngstown out and USD out of the playoffs.
• If USD beats SIU, then SIU will be out because they can’t get to 8 D-1 wins.
• Just looking at these games, 1 team will be at only 7 wins and likely 2 wins.

If you look at the options in my chart, you can see that it is possible 4 teams could end up 7-5. Could 1 or 2 of them get into the playoffs? Possible but not a given. But NO WAY four 7-5 MFVC teams get into the playoffs.

If you look at option 2, which is maybe more likely, 5 teams get in from MFVC and two are out (YGU and Ill, State). If you flip games so SIU basically loses out, you could get 6 teams in but under no circumstance can the MVFC get 7 teams in especially in any scenario 1 or 2 of those teams will be on a 3 game losing streak or have lost 3 of 4 or even 4 of 5 (SDSU).

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Best Offense and Defense

Just providing an update. I added Harvard to the list and expanded it to 13. What is interesting is that Harvard shows up in the stats. On offense, they are #5 just behind MSU. On defense, they are number 1, pushing NDSU to second. On my overall best team in the CAT-P Combined ranking, they are #2, ahead of the Cats and just below NDSU. Now, the question is whether playing only 2 non-con games and playing only 10 games will be comparable. Since this is the first time the Ivy League is participating in the playoffs, we will find out on the field. Only other point I want to make is the Gris are 12th out of 13 in the defensive ranking. Are they really that bad? Hard to say but they are 11 in scoring D, 9th in rushing D and 12th in passing D. Yet, somehow, they are 9-0?

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COMBINED RANKING
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Big Sky Predictions – Week 11 – Short and Sweet.

Going to be quick. No way did anyone predict (that I could find) for Idaho to beat NAU AND Idaho State to beat Davis. Maybe they did in Manhattan as the Seed Potato Capital!! I think it is possible that Big Sky will get only 2 teams in the playoffs as opposed to 5 last year. That would be a bad look for the conference. The resurgence of Idaho is only serving to knock other teams out of the playoffs and damage the value of Big Sky play in the committee’s eyes. Not good for Cats; maybe not even good for the Gris depending on how the end of the year breaks out.

Davis @ Idaho – It is an even money game on the betting line. Idaho is holding open its smoldering playoff chances with a win. Davis knows they lose this game and come in cold to Bobcat stadium, they may be looking at being 6-4 going into the last game of the year. Currently Davis is #10 in the committee’s rankings. That seems awfully high. Can they bounce back and play a decent game? And what about Idaho? They are 4-3 against the FCS. IF they win out, is 7-3 against the FCS good enough to nab an at large. I have already explained a number of times why we need Davis to win. I have no idea if they have the fortitude. Davis 44 – Idaho 42 - 2OT – win by a 2-point conversion.

EWU @ Gris – Can Eastern pull the upset? Not a chance. I don’t think the Gris are great but Eastern has only beaten WIU (2-7); PSU (1-8), Weber (3-6) and Idaho (4-5 – and that was with Joshua Wood out of the game.) I don’t think it will be even kind of close – Gris 44 – Grounded Eagles – 13.

Cal Poly @ Idaho State – Face saving game. I think ISU slings it all over Cal Poly. Pushes the score up. ISU – 38 – Cal Poly 17

UNC @ NAU – Every game is a playoff game for NAU. Don’t win the next three – almost certainly out with 5 losses. Northern Colorado is improved but were exposed last week by the Cats. NAU must win: NAU 27 – UNC – 14

Sac State @ PSU – Don’t bother. No upset. Sac State 42 – PSU - 10

WEBER @ MSU – I don’t predict and there is only one result that works for us – high scoring victory.

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Post by Catprint » Sat Nov 08, 2025 8:56 am

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a. Maybe we should hope for the #4 seed and Tarleton State gets #3. Not a perfect scenario but no ghosts from the past and nice outdoor weather (most likely) and an opponent who doesn’t know us. This is my first choice.
The 3 and 4 seeds are on opposite sides of the bracket and can only meet in Nashville.

If MSU loses Cat griz and gets the 4 or 5 seed, we goto Fargo for the semi's.
If we get the 3 seed we goto missoula. It's that simple.
Winning Cat griz is the only way out of that.
My bad - Not sure what I was thinking. Too late at night. Playing in Texas only happens if Tarleton gets #4 or #5 and we get the other 4/5. Then we meet in the quarters.



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Post by Catprint » Sat Nov 08, 2025 8:57 am

catatac wrote:
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Is your very first point something you've seen the analysts say? I would think if NDSU loses to UND, the winner of Cat\Griz jumps to the #1 seed.
Read from Herder and McKinnell that NDSU's resume will still be good enough to be #1, especially if the game was close AND MSU wins the brawl. No way a 10-2 MSU team jumps an 11-1 NDSU especially since NDSU beat SDSU and we lost to SDSU.



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Post by Catprint » Sat Nov 08, 2025 9:26 am

ClowderUp wrote:
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Uhhh folks. We 100% no-question want to go back to Missoula as a 3 or 6 and not to Fargo as a 4 or 5 in the unlikely event of a Brawl loss. This shouldn't be a debate. Logistical ease, facility familiarity, preparation, planning, and many other intangibles would be more efficient and more effective playing a second time over there. Maybe, and this is a strong maybe, I would think differently if we get the doors blown off the first time. I just don't think that's going to happen. Sure, the Cats may lose, but it will be a competitive game.
Ultimately, this is my choice. In the event of a Brawl loss, #3 seed and back to Missoula is the best choice. #6 seed and travel to Tarleton might be a better second choice than #5 seed for sure. #4 gives us two home games so a toss up whether #6 seed is better than #4 seed. But honestly, I don't see a high chance of a scenario where we drop from #2 all the way to #6 in the committee's eyes. It means 4 teams have to jump ahead - Gris, Tarleton, Lehigh and ?? (SDSU? Tenn. Tech?). Suppose it is possible but seems unrealistic. I will take the #3 seed and a second trip to Missoula. Gris could get upset and their defense will still be suspect and we will have had a game to come up with a better strategy. Still not an easy game but I am not going to Fargo! Now, I might take a trip to Stephenville in Dec. if we are #5 seed and UTT is #4.



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Post by tetoncat » Sat Nov 08, 2025 9:34 am

Catprint wrote:
Sat Nov 08, 2025 8:57 am
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Is your very first point something you've seen the analysts say? I would think if NDSU loses to UND, the winner of Cat\Griz jumps to the #1 seed.
Read from Herder and McKinnell that NDSU's resume will still be good enough to be #1, especially if the game was close AND MSU wins the brawl. No way a 10-2 MSU team jumps an 11-1 NDSU especially since NDSU beat SDSU and we lost to SDSU.
Comparatively Cats 10-1 as FBS loss doesn't hurt them. In committees eyes Cats are not a 2 loss team.


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Post by Bocephus » Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:00 am

Catprint wrote:
Sat Nov 08, 2025 9:26 am
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Sat Nov 08, 2025 8:11 am
Uhhh folks. We 100% no-question want to go back to Missoula as a 3 or 6 and not to Fargo as a 4 or 5 in the unlikely event of a Brawl loss. This shouldn't be a debate. Logistical ease, facility familiarity, preparation, planning, and many other intangibles would be more efficient and more effective playing a second time over there. Maybe, and this is a strong maybe, I would think differently if we get the doors blown off the first time. I just don't think that's going to happen. Sure, the Cats may lose, but it will be a competitive game.
Ultimately, this is my choice. In the event of a Brawl loss, #3 seed and back to Missoula is the best choice. #6 seed and travel to Tarleton might be a better second choice than #5 seed for sure. #4 gives us two home games so a toss up whether #6 seed is better than #4 seed. But honestly, I don't see a high chance of a scenario where we drop from #2 all the way to #6 in the committee's eyes. It means 4 teams have to jump ahead - Gris, Tarleton, Lehigh and ?? (SDSU? Tenn. Tech?). Suppose it is possible but seems unrealistic. I will take the #3 seed and a second trip to Missoula. Gris could get upset and their defense will still be suspect and we will have had a game to come up with a better strategy. Still not an easy game but I am not going to Fargo! Now, I might take a trip to Stephenville in Dec. if we are #5 seed and UTT is #4.
Also playoff tickets might be easier to get for Cat fans than regular season brawl tickets. There could be a large number of Cat fans in Missoula for a semi final matchup.



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Post by catatac » Wed Nov 12, 2025 11:21 am

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It seems absolutely amazing to me to be sitting here in a position where IF the Cats happen to lose the Brawl... (Assuming we beat UC Davis on Saturday), the only question is whether we end up ranked #3 or #4 in the country. LOL


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Post by MSU01 » Wed Nov 12, 2025 11:27 am

catatac wrote:
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kwcat wrote:
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It seems absolutely amazing to me to be sitting here in a position where IF the Cats happen to lose the Brawl... (Assuming we beat UC Davis on Saturday), the only question is whether we end up ranked #3 or #4 in the country. LOL
Just goes to show how incredibly top-heavy the FCS is as a division right now.



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Post by coloradocat » Wed Nov 12, 2025 11:47 am

MSU01 wrote:
Wed Nov 12, 2025 11:27 am
catatac wrote:
Wed Nov 12, 2025 11:21 am
kwcat wrote:
Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:28 pm
It seems absolutely amazing to me to be sitting here in a position where IF the Cats happen to lose the Brawl... (Assuming we beat UC Davis on Saturday), the only question is whether we end up ranked #3 or #4 in the country. LOL
Just goes to show how incredibly top-heavy the FCS is as a division right now.
Yeah, I get the argument that a 2 loss team shouldn't be a top 3 or 4 seed but it's not our fault that it's obvious to everyone that it's NDSU/MSU/griz and then a gap and then everyone else.


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Post by Prodigal Cat » Wed Nov 12, 2025 11:53 am

catatac wrote:
Wed Nov 12, 2025 11:21 am
kwcat wrote:
Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:28 pm
It seems absolutely amazing to me to be sitting here in a position where IF the Cats happen to lose the Brawl... (Assuming we beat UC Davis on Saturday), the only question is whether we end up ranked #3 or #4 in the country. LOL
Just crazy. A little over a month ago top 4 was the best Cats could hope for and top 2 was very slim and needed several things to fall their way. Now its back in their own control.


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Post by ClowderUp » Wed Nov 12, 2025 7:16 pm

I think in the context of a possible loss in Missoula, style point in the Davis game actually matters. If we want to be considered heads and tails above the next wave of teams then we need to win like we're heads and tails above the next wave of teams.



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