Bobby's 3-3-5 Defense

[catatac]

Undisciplined, overly aggressive, gets burned a lot. I am keeping tabs on their Weber game today, they literally have FIVE offsides calls in the first half. They had a play where the defense had Offsides, 12 men on the field, and defensive PI, all on the same call. I hope they play like that against us.

[OldGriz]

You are correct, Sir. It’s been a very frustrating defense for Griz fans to watch at times this season. It just appears to be part of who/what they are. It’s why I don’t expect Montana to be more than a 10-point favorite going into The Brawl. Maybe even as close as 7 points.

[seataccat]

You are correct, Sir. It’s been a very frustrating defense for Griz fans to watch at times this season. It just appears to be part of who/what they are. It’s why I don’t expect Montana to be more than a 10-point favorite going into The Brawl. Maybe even as close as 7 points.

A 10 point favorite in the cat griz game? I'll take that action for sure. Personally I think the cats will be favored.

[catatac]

You are correct, Sir. It’s been a very frustrating defense for Griz fans to watch at times this season. It just appears to be part of who/what they are. It’s why I don’t expect Montana to be more than a 10-point favorite going into The Brawl. Maybe even as close as 7 points.

Thank God for coach Vigen. Consistently great. I will give Bobby some credit, he does have a knack for being able to motivate players and get them to play their best. Unfortunately for Griz fans though... he's an up and down coach, wildly inconsistent. That's not a formula to take down the Bison.

[OldGriz]

You are correct, Sir. It’s been a very frustrating defense for Griz fans to watch at times this season. It just appears to be part of who/what they are. It’s why I don’t expect Montana to be more than a 10-point favorite going into The Brawl. Maybe even as close as 7 points.

Thank God for coach Vigen. Consistently great. I will give Bobby some credit, he does have a knack for being able to motivate players and get them to play their best. Unfortunately for Griz fans though... he's an up and down coach, wildly inconsistent. That's not a formula to take down the Bison.

I agree.

[BigBruceBaker]

You are correct, Sir. It’s been a very frustrating defense for Griz fans to watch at times this season. It just appears to be part of who/what they are. It’s why I don’t expect Montana to be more than a 10-point favorite going into The Brawl. Maybe even as close as 7 points.

I'd love to get into that action - want to lay a bet on what the line will be?

[ClowderUp]

I'm predicting it starts at pandas -1.5. I think betting will move it to Cats -0.5.

[TomCat88]

I'm predicting it starts at pandas -1.5. I think betting will move it to Cats -0.5.

If UCD and MSU both win this weekend, then I think the result of the MSU vs UCD game goes. Obviously, if MSU loses, UM will be favored. If MSU only wins by a close margin, then UM will be favored. If MSU wins by a lot, then MSU might be favored.

[catatac]

I'm predicting it starts at pandas -1.5. I think betting will move it to Cats -0.5.

If UCD and MSU both win this weekend, then I think the result of the MSU vs UCD game goes. Obviously, if MSU loses, UM will be favored. If MSU only wins by a close margin, then UM will be favored. If MSU wins by a lot, then MSU might be favored.

I don't see a universe where MSU will be favored playing in WAGriz against an 11-0 Griz squad. I could be wrong.

[RickRund]

I'm predicting it starts at pandas -1.5. I think betting will move it to Cats -0.5.

If UCD and MSU both win this weekend, then I think the result of the MSU vs UCD game goes. Obviously, if MSU loses, UM will be favored. If MSU only wins by a close margin, then UM will be favored. If MSU wins by a lot, then MSU might be favored.

I don't see a universe where MSU will be favored playing in WAGriz against an 11-0 Griz squad. I could be wrong.

Massey has the CAT/gris score 34-28. They are generally fairly close. It will be interesting to see the results. I wish Sagarin could do the same.

[catatac]

I'm predicting it starts at pandas -1.5. I think betting will move it to Cats -0.5.

If UCD and MSU both win this weekend, then I think the result of the MSU vs UCD game goes. Obviously, if MSU loses, UM will be favored. If MSU only wins by a close margin, then UM will be favored. If MSU wins by a lot, then MSU might be favored.

I don't see a universe where MSU will be favored playing in WAGriz against an 11-0 Griz squad. I could be wrong.

Massey has the CAT/gris score 34-28. They are generally fairly close. It will be interesting to see the results. I wish Sagarin could do the same.

Oh, I think the Cats are a better team, with better lines, better depth, better culture. On paper I think most people would look at that game and predict the Cats to win. I'm just saying because it's in Missoula, I can't imagine the opening Vegas betting line having the Cats favored if both teams win out until then. If that happened, all of Griz Nation would absolutely pound that betting line.

[TomCat88]

I'm predicting it starts at pandas -1.5. I think betting will move it to Cats -0.5.

If UCD and MSU both win this weekend, then I think the result of the MSU vs UCD game goes. Obviously, if MSU loses, UM will be favored. If MSU only wins by a close margin, then UM will be favored. If MSU wins by a lot, then MSU might be favored.

I don't see a universe where MSU will be favored playing in WAGriz against an 11-0 Griz squad. I could be wrong.

Yeah, you’re probably right. I wasn’t thinking like a bookmaker.

[catatac]

Geez... I peeked over at EwGriz...., there is a serious lack of brain power over there by a lot of the posters. Cats have about the same SOS as Griz, Griz have a WAY better offense, and now they're clicking on all cylinders (Psssst... that's what happens when you play bad teams - and you're going to look REALLY good in these next couple games too). And then onto defense, they have a kick ass defense (like the Cats), but only when their star CB is in there... and they're thinking he'll be back by Cat\Griz. Entertaining stuff. LOL

[MrGoodKat]

The Griz are pretty small on the defensive line to run the 3-3-5 super effectively. Ramos is the only guy with any real size who gets a lot of run (I'm pretty sure than Ramos and Bailey are the only guys on the entire roster above 275). The guys playing that 4i/5T role are 240-250.

On most plays, the Cats are fielding at least two players in the range of 280-300 lbs (Brott, Eckert, Marsh, Black, Sharbono, Asuega, etc.). Their down ends are roughly the same size as UM's, despite playing further on the edges.

When your line is designed to primarily 2 gap and create opportunities for linebackers, you want them to be bigger than that. It isn't the only issue with their defense, but it's certainly one of them.

[catatac]

The Griz are pretty small on the defensive line to run the 3-3-5 super effectively. Ramos is the only guy with any real size who gets a lot of run (I'm pretty sure than Ramos and Bailey are the only guys on the entire roster above 275). The guys playing that 4i/5T role are 240-250.

On most plays, the Cats are fielding at least two players in the range of 280-300 lbs (Brott, Eckert, Marsh, Black, Sharbono, Asuega, etc.). Their down ends are roughly the same size as UM's, despite playing further on the edges.

When your line is designed to primarily 2 gap and create opportunities for linebackers, you want them to be bigger than that. It isn't the only issue with their defense, but it's certainly one of them.

That's great information and an interesting perspective. I'm far from an X's and O's guru but what I have seen is that it seems like that 3-3-5 is way more effective if you have that monster D Tackle, like Gubner... or that beast from Oregon when they ran that a few years back. So my question for you, does this mean that we should be able to just power run it down their throats all day with our big, physical OL? Or does it end up being more of a schematics deal with how we go off tackle and find ways to get their fast LBs blocked? Of course I'm just talking about how we should choose to run the ball on them effectively.

[iaafan]

The Griz are pretty small on the defensive line to run the 3-3-5 super effectively. Ramos is the only guy with any real size who gets a lot of run (I'm pretty sure than Ramos and Bailey are the only guys on the entire roster above 275). The guys playing that 4i/5T role are 240-250.

On most plays, the Cats are fielding at least two players in the range of 280-300 lbs (Brott, Eckert, Marsh, Black, Sharbono, Asuega, etc.). Their down ends are roughly the same size as UM's, despite playing further on the edges.

When your line is designed to primarily 2 gap and create opportunities for linebackers, you want them to be bigger than that. It isn't the only issue with their defense, but it's certainly one of them.

A lot of high school coaches play schemes that don’t fit their personnel. Not many FCS coaches do. They may be winning but it’s fool’s gold.

[seataccat]

The Griz are pretty small on the defensive line to run the 3-3-5 super effectively. Ramos is the only guy with any real size who gets a lot of run (I'm pretty sure than Ramos and Bailey are the only guys on the entire roster above 275). The guys playing that 4i/5T role are 240-250.

On most plays, the Cats are fielding at least two players in the range of 280-300 lbs (Brott, Eckert, Marsh, Black, Sharbono, Asuega, etc.). Their down ends are roughly the same size as UM's, despite playing further on the edges.

When your line is designed to primarily 2 gap and create opportunities for linebackers, you want them to be bigger than that. It isn't the only issue with their defense, but it's certainly one of them.

Rogers Cooper is very aware that they have some short comings on the interior defensive line. That is why they don't really play a 3-3-5 like they did when Bradford coached them a couple years ago. They almost always run an over or under front and line up a LB on the LOS as a buck or bandit end very similar to a 4-2-5 like the cats. And actually with the depth they have at LB their nickel generally plays close to the LOS too. So their defense resembles a 4-2-5 or even a 3-4-4. Their defensive scheme is hard to deal with and they have good players and their LB's play scrape pretty well so they are not easy to run on.

[MrGoodKat]

The Griz are pretty small on the defensive line to run the 3-3-5 super effectively. Ramos is the only guy with any real size who gets a lot of run (I'm pretty sure than Ramos and Bailey are the only guys on the entire roster above 275). The guys playing that 4i/5T role are 240-250.

On most plays, the Cats are fielding at least two players in the range of 280-300 lbs (Brott, Eckert, Marsh, Black, Sharbono, Asuega, etc.). Their down ends are roughly the same size as UM's, despite playing further on the edges.

When your line is designed to primarily 2 gap and create opportunities for linebackers, you want them to be bigger than that. It isn't the only issue with their defense, but it's certainly one of them.

Rogers Cooper is very aware that they have some short comings on the interior defensive line. That is why they don't really play a 3-3-5 like they did when Bradford coached them a couple years ago. They almost always run an over or under front and line up a LB on the LOS as a buck or bandit end very similar to a 4-2-5 like the cats. And actually with the depth they have at LB their nickel generally plays close to the LOS too. So their defense resembles a 4-2-5 or even a 3-4-4. Their defensive scheme is hard to deal with and they have good players and their LB's play scrape pretty well so they are not easy to run on.

It's hard to deal with on both sides. It's difficult for opposing offenses to read, but it's also difficult for their defensive personnel to execute.

For what it's worth, they've allowed 25.8 PPG in conference play to the Cats' 10.2.

[seataccat]

The Griz are pretty small on the defensive line to run the 3-3-5 super effectively. Ramos is the only guy with any real size who gets a lot of run (I'm pretty sure than Ramos and Bailey are the only guys on the entire roster above 275). The guys playing that 4i/5T role are 240-250.

On most plays, the Cats are fielding at least two players in the range of 280-300 lbs (Brott, Eckert, Marsh, Black, Sharbono, Asuega, etc.). Their down ends are roughly the same size as UM's, despite playing further on the edges.

When your line is designed to primarily 2 gap and create opportunities for linebackers, you want them to be bigger than that. It isn't the only issue with their defense, but it's certainly one of them.

Rogers Cooper is very aware that they have some short comings on the interior defensive line. That is why they don't really play a 3-3-5 like they did when Bradford coached them a couple years ago. They almost always run an over or under front and line up a LB on the LOS as a buck or bandit end very similar to a 4-2-5 like the cats. And actually with the depth they have at LB their nickel generally plays close to the LOS too. So their defense resembles a 4-2-5 or even a 3-4-4. Their defensive scheme is hard to deal with and they have good players and their LB's play scrape pretty well so they are not easy to run on.

It's hard to deal with on both sides. It's difficult for opposing offenses to read, but it's also difficult for their defensive personnel to execute.

For what it's worth, they've allowed 25.8 PPG in conference play to the Cats' 10.2.

Totally agree, that defense is hard to learn but if they get you on your heels it's a long day for any offense.

[seataccat]

The Griz are pretty small on the defensive line to run the 3-3-5 super effectively. Ramos is the only guy with any real size who gets a lot of run (I'm pretty sure than Ramos and Bailey are the only guys on the entire roster above 275). The guys playing that 4i/5T role are 240-250.

On most plays, the Cats are fielding at least two players in the range of 280-300 lbs (Brott, Eckert, Marsh, Black, Sharbono, Asuega, etc.). Their down ends are roughly the same size as UM's, despite playing further on the edges.

When your line is designed to primarily 2 gap and create opportunities for linebackers, you want them to be bigger than that. It isn't the only issue with their defense, but it's certainly one of them.

A lot of high school coaches play schemes that don’t fit their personnel. Not many FCS coaches do. They may be winning but it’s fool’s gold.

Why is it fools gold?