UNC pretty sneaky too

[TomCat88]

They have a very good defense. They nearly shutout UC Davis in the second half last week. Ed Lamb is a very good coach, and I'm stunned he's at UNC. Nevertheless, he has them playing inspired ball and their defense can get hot and make things tough for anyone. The Cats go up against another good defense next week in Weber State. Good tests for them late in the season.

Come again?

Statistically, a good defense.

I know you are more of a stats guy but come on.

Look it up. Conference only and FCS only. Their overall stats are skewed by two FBS games.

In conference play they have allowed the 3rd most TD’s, allow 34.8 points per game.

The only reason they look remotely decent on a yardage basis is because half their games have come against EWU and Portland State, both of whom had some of their better games against Weber, and because the other teams are calling off the dogs at the end of the game. Sac State ran for 400 yards at 8 yards a clip against Weber, and Davis passed at will on them. In no way, whether it be tape or statistically, are they a good defense.

Their offense has put them in bad field position a lot. Do FCS only. It’s more accurate. Last five games have been Hansel.

I did conference only like you suggested, is that now not good enough?

If the offense has put them in bad field position, then that also makes sense on why they’re not allowing as many yards, correct? Can’t have a drive for 80 yards if you get the ball at the 50.

Well, if you insist on being bullheaded... I’ll take your bet that UM doesn’t hit their average for points or yards this week.

What in the world are you talking about? I used conference stats like you requested, but I’m being bullheaded?! I’m using your criteria!

I also didn’t make a bet anywhere…I genuinely have no idea what you’re referring to.

The part about the bet was joke. Good grief. Don’t take this stuff so seriously.

I said conference and FCS only. Re-read the thread.

[Cataholic]

They have a very good defense. They nearly shutout UC Davis in the second half last week. Ed Lamb is a very good coach, and I'm stunned he's at UNC. Nevertheless, he has them playing inspired ball and their defense can get hot and make things tough for anyone. The Cats go up against another good defense next week in Weber State. Good tests for them late in the season.

Come again?

Statistically, a good defense.

I know you are more of a stats guy but come on.

Look it up. Conference only and FCS only. Their overall stats are skewed by two FBS games.

In conference play they have allowed the 3rd most TD’s, allow 34.8 points per game.

The only reason they look remotely decent on a yardage basis is because half their games have come against EWU and Portland State, both of whom had some of their better games against Weber, and because the other teams are calling off the dogs at the end of the game. Sac State ran for 400 yards at 8 yards a clip against Weber, and Davis passed at will on them. In no way, whether it be tape or statistically, are they a good defense.

Their offense has put them in bad field position a lot. Do FCS only. It’s more accurate. Last five games have been Hansel.

I did conference only like you suggested, is that now not good enough?

If the offense has put them in bad field position, then that also makes sense on why they’re not allowing as many yards, correct? Can’t have a drive for 80 yards if you get the ball at the 50.

Well, if you insist on being bullheaded... I’ll take your bet that UM doesn’t hit their average for points or yards this week.

What in the world are you talking about? I used conference stats like you requested, but I’m being bullheaded?! I’m using your criteria!

I also didn’t make a bet anywhere…I genuinely have no idea what you’re referring to.

Jokes on you! I think is using you as clickbait! He is just trying to drive up hits on his post! Sorry Tom. But your take is pretty bad.

[TomCat88]

Come again?

Statistically, a good defense.

I know you are more of a stats guy but come on.

Look it up. Conference only and FCS only. Their overall stats are skewed by two FBS games.

In conference play they have allowed the 3rd most TD’s, allow 34.8 points per game.

The only reason they look remotely decent on a yardage basis is because half their games have come against EWU and Portland State, both of whom had some of their better games against Weber, and because the other teams are calling off the dogs at the end of the game. Sac State ran for 400 yards at 8 yards a clip against Weber, and Davis passed at will on them. In no way, whether it be tape or statistically, are they a good defense.

Their offense has put them in bad field position a lot. Do FCS only. It’s more accurate. Last five games have been Hansel.

I did conference only like you suggested, is that now not good enough?

If the offense has put them in bad field position, then that also makes sense on why they’re not allowing as many yards, correct? Can’t have a drive for 80 yards if you get the ball at the 50.

Well, if you insist on being bullheaded... I’ll take your bet that UM doesn’t hit their average for points or yards this week.

What in the world are you talking about? I used conference stats like you requested, but I’m being bullheaded?! I’m using your criteria!

I also didn’t make a bet anywhere…I genuinely have no idea what you’re referring to.

Jokes on you! I think is using you as clickbait! He is just trying to drive up hits on his post! Sorry Tom. But your take is pretty bad.

Look it up.

[TomCat88]

Points isn’t a good way to measure defense. Vs EWU wsu gave up nine points on offense. Then there’s garbage time points. Then there’s getting worn down late.

Look up the 1983 MSU defense. It was good but it got worn down due to a bad offense. A year later, good offense…dominant defense.

Any takers on this week’s game vs UM hitting its averages for points and yards?

[TomCat88]

Points isn’t a good way to measure defense. Vs EWU wsu gave up nine points on offense. Then there’s garbage time points. Then there’s getting worn down late.

Look up the 1983 MSU defense. It was good but it got worn down due to a bad offense. A year later, good offense…dominant defense.

Any takers on this week’s game vs UM hitting its averages for points and yards?

Okay, no takers I guess.

The best statistical measuring stick for a defense or offense is yards per play per Mike Kramer. Weber is at 5.7 in conference, which is third and is at 5.7 in all FCS games, which would be fourth but doesn't take into account the other teams non-FBS games. My guess is it would be in the top half of the BSC. They're playing good, not great, defense.

They probably get worn down because their offense is anemic. That shows up in the box scores. The three games prior to EWU they allowed 21, 21, and 14 points in the fourth quarter.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Come again?

Statistically, a good defense.

I know you are more of a stats guy but come on.

Look it up. Conference only and FCS only. Their overall stats are skewed by two FBS games.

In conference play they have allowed the 3rd most TD’s, allow 34.8 points per game.

The only reason they look remotely decent on a yardage basis is because half their games have come against EWU and Portland State, both of whom had some of their better games against Weber, and because the other teams are calling off the dogs at the end of the game. Sac State ran for 400 yards at 8 yards a clip against Weber, and Davis passed at will on them. In no way, whether it be tape or statistically, are they a good defense.

Their offense has put them in bad field position a lot. Do FCS only. It’s more accurate. Last five games have been Hansel.

I did conference only like you suggested, is that now not good enough?

If the offense has put them in bad field position, then that also makes sense on why they’re not allowing as many yards, correct? Can’t have a drive for 80 yards if you get the ball at the 50.

Well, if you insist on being bullheaded... I’ll take your bet that UM doesn’t hit their average for points or yards this week.

What in the world are you talking about? I used conference stats like you requested, but I’m being bullheaded?! I’m using your criteria!

I also didn’t make a bet anywhere…I genuinely have no idea what you’re referring to.

The part about the bet was joke. Good grief. Don’t take this stuff so seriously.

I said conference and FCS only. Re-read the thread.

Tom, I really hope you didn’t mean conference and FCS only as one category! That’s terribly redundant, unless you think that there are non-FCS teams within the conference. One could argue Portland State I suppose.

I like this game by the way! Say stupid things and claim it was a joke. Always a winning argument. Haha, just kidding of course!

[BelligerentBobcat]

Points isn’t a good way to measure defense. Vs EWU wsu gave up nine points on offense. Then there’s garbage time points. Then there’s getting worn down late.

Look up the 1983 MSU defense. It was good but it got worn down due to a bad offense. A year later, good offense…dominant defense.

Any takers on this week’s game vs UM hitting its averages for points and yards?

Okay, no takers I guess.

The best statistical measuring stick for a defense or offense is yards per play per Mike Kramer. Weber is at 5.7 in conference, which is third and is at 5.7 in all FCS games, which would be fourth but doesn't take into account the other teams non-FBS games. My guess is it would be in the top half of the BSC. They're playing good, not great, defense.

They probably get worn down because their offense is anemic. That shows up in the box scores. The three games prior to EWU they allowed 21, 21, and 14 points in the fourth quarter.

Per Jeffrey Choaters, stats are for losers.

For real, I get what you’re saying about YPP. It’s my favorite team analysis stat when used with proper context. If you’re allowing 5.5 YPP, and low points, that means you’re getting stop on the important downs. If you’re allowing that many YPP, and high points, then you aren’t getting stops. At the end of the day, the team that allows the least amount of points is going to win, so at a certain point, points do matter! That is, the point.

[TomCat88]

Points isn’t a good way to measure defense. Vs EWU wsu gave up nine points on offense. Then there’s garbage time points. Then there’s getting worn down late.

Look up the 1983 MSU defense. It was good but it got worn down due to a bad offense. A year later, good offense…dominant defense.

Any takers on this week’s game vs UM hitting its averages for points and yards?

Okay, no takers I guess.

The best statistical measuring stick for a defense or offense is yards per play per Mike Kramer. Weber is at 5.7 in conference, which is third and is at 5.7 in all FCS games, which would be fourth but doesn't take into account the other teams non-FBS games. My guess is it would be in the top half of the BSC. They're playing good, not great, defense.

They probably get worn down because their offense is anemic. That shows up in the box scores. The three games prior to EWU they allowed 21, 21, and 14 points in the fourth quarter.

Per Jeffrey Choaters, stats are for losers.

For real, I get what you’re saying about YPP. It’s my favorite team analysis stat when used with proper context. If you’re allowing 5.5 YPP, and low points, that means you’re getting stop on the important downs. If you’re allowing that many YPP, and high points, then you aren’t getting stops. At the end of the day, the team that allows the least amount of points is going to win, so at a certain point, points do matter! That is, the point.

Points can be indicative but ypp is better because it isn’t affected by special teams and the offense. This isn’t difficult.

Jeff Choate didn’t coin that term. It means the losing team uses stats to find something it did well while the winners just celebrate.

[Montanabob]

still seats available.
see you all Caturday
https://tickets.unco.edu/Online/default.asp

[catatac]

I'm going to side with the posters calling Tom out on calling Weber a "Good Defense"! Sorry to pile on Tom, just the way I see it! I don't know what the Griz will do to them tomorrow but I'm not betting on any of that... the Griz have sucked at certain times this year. I will say though, if the Cats don't put up at least 40 on the Weebs next weekend, I will be surprised.

[catatac]

I wouldn’t have thought at the beginning of the season that this would be the conference game that I am probably most worried about, besides UC Davis and UM. That said, if we win by 20+ I think we are going to have a good chance at running the table until the playoffs.

Are you saying you were worried about is going to Flagstaff, then facing an ISU team that went toe to toe with UM... then Cal Poly, but now that we thumped all of them, you've now moved on to being worried about UNC?

[coloradocat]

I'm going to side with the posters calling Tom out on calling Weber a "Good Defense"! Sorry to pile on Tom, just the way I see it! I don't know what the Griz will do to them tomorrow but I'm not betting on any of that... the Griz have sucked at certain times this year. I will say though, if the Cats don't put up at least 40 on the Weebs next weekend, I will be surprised.

BuT tHe STatS!

[RedClowder]

Did everyone buy GA or visiting team? Looked like GA was a bit cheaper but not much to worry about. I can’t tell on the website if we need to print tickets or not. I was there in 2022 and don’t remember if I had printed paper tickets. Downloaded them to my phone but I might print them anyways to be safe.

Looking forward to the game! Last time UNCU came out swinging and took a quick 14-3 lead before the Cats turned it on. Let me get a go cats on 3! 1, 2,

[coloradocat]

Did everyone buy GA or visiting team? Looked like GA was a bit cheaper but not much to worry about. I can’t tell on the website if we need to print tickets or not. I was there in 2022 and don’t remember if I had printed paper tickets. Downloaded them to my phone but I might print them anyways to be safe.

Looking forward to the game! Last time UNCU came out swinging and took a quick 14-3 lead before the Cats turned it on. Let me get a go cats on 3! 1, 2,

I historically bought tickets ahead of time online and have bought both visitor and GA over the years. It doesn't really matter which. I feel like I might have printed my tickets last time but I don't have a printer at home so I'm just going to grab a ticket at the box office tomorrow. No matter how "good" UNCU is they'll never sell out of GA tickets.

[TomCat88]

I'm going to side with the posters calling Tom out on calling Weber a "Good Defense"! Sorry to pile on Tom, just the way I see it! I don't know what the Griz will do to them tomorrow but I'm not betting on any of that... the Griz have sucked at certain times this year. I will say though, if the Cats don't put up at least 40 on the Weebs next weekend, I will be surprised.

BuT tHe STatS!

Yes, the stats. What else is there? Everything is literally a stat. Titles, wins, losses, ties, points…on down the line.

You can be a good defense and lose every game and be near the bottom of every statistical category.

[catatac]

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Points given up so far. 43 points per game? Not good.

[onceacat]

Points isn’t a good way to measure defense. Vs EWU wsu gave up nine points on offense. Then there’s garbage time points. Then there’s getting worn down late.

Look up the 1983 MSU defense. It was good but it got worn down due to a bad offense. A year later, good offense…dominant defense.

Any takers on this week’s game vs UM hitting its averages for points and yards?

Okay, no takers I guess.

The best statistical measuring stick for a defense or offense is yards per play per Mike Kramer. Weber is at 5.7 in conference, which is third and is at 5.7 in all FCS games, which would be fourth but doesn't take into account the other teams non-FBS games. My guess is it would be in the top half of the BSC. They're playing good, not great, defense.

They probably get worn down because their offense is anemic. That shows up in the box scores. The three games prior to EWU they allowed 21, 21, and 14 points in the fourth quarter.

Per Jeffrey Choaters, stats are for losers.

For real, I get what you’re saying about YPP. It’s my favorite team analysis stat when used with proper context. If you’re allowing 5.5 YPP, and low points, that means you’re getting stop on the important downs. If you’re allowing that many YPP, and high points, then you aren’t getting stops. At the end of the day, the team that allows the least amount of points is going to win, so at a certain point, points do matter! That is, the point.

What's Choate's W-L record as a head coach?

I'll trust Choate to the end of the earth as a defensive specialist.

Hes 32-39 as a Head Coach.

Maybe Jeff Choate needs to learn the value of statistics and learn how to win games.

FFS, 32-39.

[TomCat88]

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Points given up so far. 43 points per game? Not good.

Last year did MSU’s defense allow 31 points to New Mexico?

In their last five games the offense or STs gave up 3 points vs Butler and only gave up 7 points until 4 minutes left in the half; the defense held ucd scoreless for the first 23 minutes; offense or STs gave 14 vs SAC and SAC scored another 14 in garbage time cuz they’re SAC; psu scored 14 in the last <3 minutes and only had 6 points through three quarters; EWU got 9 off offense and STs and didn’t score on O until 4 minutes to go in the half.

So 54 points off the O or STs. And you can see they didn’t allow much early in games which is a sign that the offense wasn’t getting them much rest.

The first two games were against James Madison (7-1) and Arizona. The third game they were probably still shell shocked.

[catatac]

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Points given up so far. 43 points per game? Not good.

Last year did MSU’s defense allow 31 points to New Mexico?

In their last five games the offense or STs gave up 3 points vs Butler and only gave up 7 points until 4 minutes left in the half; the defense held ucd scoreless for the first 23 minutes; offense or STs gave 14 vs SAC and SAC scored another 14 in garbage time cuz they’re SAC; psu scored 14 in the last <3 minutes and only had 6 points through three quarters; EWU got 9 off offense and STs and didn’t score on O until 4 minutes to go in the half.

So 54 points off the O or STs. And you can see they didn’t allow much early in games which is a sign that the offense wasn’t getting them much rest.

The first two games were against James Madison (7-1) and Arizona. The third game they were probably still shell shocked.

43 points pg, 8 games. As one wise coach said, at some point in the season you are who you are. Hey, that's the beautiful thing about these boards and football! We can speculate, and agree or disagree all we want! I don't think they are a good defense. I don't even know if the are good enough to be called an average defense. If they play out their last four games and hold opponents to 6, may 10 points pg... then I will agree with you.

[ilovethecats]

Such a funny thread. Im learning that bad teams are actually good, and bad defenses actually good defenses. I’ll say the BSC might be the best in all of FCS.

Patiently waiting to hear that the Cat defense is somehow not a good defense to put a bow on this one.