2025 Griz Hail Mary

[ECBobcat]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

Gris logic also includes the thought that a university nearly twice the size—whose incoming classes post higher SAT, ACT, and GPA averages; that admits students more selectively; that boasts twice as many Montana University Scholars; that claims over $100,000,000 more in research expenditures; that, as of 2023, has a larger endowment; and whose athletic teams have kept the Brawl of the Wild trophy nine straight times—is somehow the little brother university.

But hey, if they want to be the ugly, spinster big sister, whatever.

[coachouert]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

Gris logic also includes the thought that a university nearly twice the size—whose incoming classes post higher SAT, ACT, and GPA averages; that admits students more selectively; that boasts twice as many Montana University Scholars; that claims over $100,000,000 more in research expenditures; that, as of 2023, has a larger endowment; and whose athletic teams have kept the Brawl of the Wild trophy nine straight times—is somehow the little brother university.

But hey, if they want to be the ugly, spinster big sister, whatever.

Not to nitpick, but MSU does not admit more selectively. MSU and UM have the exact same admissions criteria and are both open access institutions. MSU does have a much much higher volume of applications, but our admission standards are the same.

[ECBobcat]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

Gris logic also includes the thought that a university nearly twice the size—whose incoming classes post higher SAT, ACT, and GPA averages; that admits students more selectively; that boasts twice as many Montana University Scholars; that claims over $100,000,000 more in research expenditures; that, as of 2023, has a larger endowment; and whose athletic teams have kept the Brawl of the Wild trophy nine straight times—is somehow the little brother university.

But hey, if they want to be the ugly, spinster big sister, whatever.

Not to nitpick, but MSU does not admit more selectively. MSU and UM have the exact same admissions criteria and are both open access institutions. MSU does have a much much higher volume of applications, but our admission standards are the same.

Noted. Admits a lower percentage of applicants might be a better way to state it, then.

[OldGriz]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

Gris logic also includes the thought that a university nearly twice the size—whose incoming classes post higher SAT, ACT, and GPA averages; that admits students more selectively; that boasts twice as many Montana University Scholars; that claims over $100,000,000 more in research expenditures; that, as of 2023, has a larger endowment; and whose athletic teams have kept the Brawl of the Wild trophy nine straight times—is somehow the little brother university.

But hey, if they want to be the ugly, spinster big sister, whatever.

Not to nitpick, but MSU does not admit more selectively. MSU and UM have the exact same admissions criteria and are both open access institutions. MSU does have a much much higher volume of applications, but our admission standards are the same.

Noted. Admits a lower percentage of applicants might be a better way to state it, then.

No, you are just wrong.

[ECBobcat]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

Gris logic also includes the thought that a university nearly twice the size—whose incoming classes post higher SAT, ACT, and GPA averages; that admits students more selectively; that boasts twice as many Montana University Scholars; that claims over $100,000,000 more in research expenditures; that, as of 2023, has a larger endowment; and whose athletic teams have kept the Brawl of the Wild trophy nine straight times—is somehow the little brother university.

But hey, if they want to be the ugly, spinster big sister, whatever.

Not to nitpick, but MSU does not admit more selectively. MSU and UM have the exact same admissions criteria and are both open access institutions. MSU does have a much much higher volume of applications, but our admission standards are the same.

Noted. Admits a lower percentage of applicants might be a better way to state it, then.

No, you are just wrong.

Got it.

[OldGriz]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

Gris logic also includes the thought that a university nearly twice the size—whose incoming classes post higher SAT, ACT, and GPA averages; that admits students more selectively; that boasts twice as many Montana University Scholars; that claims over $100,000,000 more in research expenditures; that, as of 2023, has a larger endowment; and whose athletic teams have kept the Brawl of the Wild trophy nine straight times—is somehow the little brother university.

But hey, if they want to be the ugly, spinster big sister, whatever.

Not to nitpick, but MSU does not admit more selectively. MSU and UM have the exact same admissions criteria and are both open access institutions. MSU does have a much much higher volume of applications, but our admission standards are the same.

Noted. Admits a lower percentage of applicants might be a better way to state it, then.

No, you are just wrong.

Got it.

The two universities have the same admission standards. Applicants who don’t meet the standards are not admitted. A greater percentage of MSU applicants fail to meet the standards compared to UM applicants. The standards are identical. You figure it out. It’s the opposite of your argument.

[coachouert]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

Gris logic also includes the thought that a university nearly twice the size—whose incoming classes post higher SAT, ACT, and GPA averages; that admits students more selectively; that boasts twice as many Montana University Scholars; that claims over $100,000,000 more in research expenditures; that, as of 2023, has a larger endowment; and whose athletic teams have kept the Brawl of the Wild trophy nine straight times—is somehow the little brother university.

But hey, if they want to be the ugly, spinster big sister, whatever.

Not to nitpick, but MSU does not admit more selectively. MSU and UM have the exact same admissions criteria and are both open access institutions. MSU does have a much much higher volume of applications, but our admission standards are the same.

Noted. Admits a lower percentage of applicants might be a better way to state it, then.

No, you are just wrong.

Got it.

The two universities have the same admission standards. Applicants who don’t meet the standards are not admitted. A greater percentage of MSU applicants fail to meet the standards compared to UM applicants. The standards are identical. You figure it out. It’s the opposite of your argument.

That's not necessarily correct. MSU gets well over double the number of applications. If a student applies, but does not submit the necessary information such as a test score, GPA or pay the application fee for non-resident students that are looking at MSU or UM, they are never admitted and count against the admit rate. Neither school often outright "denies" a student admission like you would see at a more selective institution. The majority of those not admitted at both are because they did not submit the necessary information, but they do not get a denial letter.

And because I can see where you are going with the "greater percentage of MSU applicants fail to meet the standards compared to UM applicants" and your next step will be to say that UM gets a higher quality student applying, that is also incorrect. It is a volume thing. UM gets less than 10,000 applications for new FR students while MSU gets nearly 25,000 applications.

[OldGriz]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

Gris logic also includes the thought that a university nearly twice the size—whose incoming classes post higher SAT, ACT, and GPA averages; that admits students more selectively; that boasts twice as many Montana University Scholars; that claims over $100,000,000 more in research expenditures; that, as of 2023, has a larger endowment; and whose athletic teams have kept the Brawl of the Wild trophy nine straight times—is somehow the little brother university.

But hey, if they want to be the ugly, spinster big sister, whatever.

Not to nitpick, but MSU does not admit more selectively. MSU and UM have the exact same admissions criteria and are both open access institutions. MSU does have a much much higher volume of applications, but our admission standards are the same.

Noted. Admits a lower percentage of applicants might be a better way to state it, then.

No, you are just wrong.

Got it.

The two universities have the same admission standards. Applicants who don’t meet the standards are not admitted. A greater percentage of MSU applicants fail to meet the standards compared to UM applicants. The standards are identical. You figure it out. It’s the opposite of your argument.

That's not necessarily correct. MSU gets well over double the number of applications. If a student applies, but does not submit the necessary information such as a test score, GPA or pay the application fee for non-resident students that are looking at MSU or UM, they are never admitted and count against the admit rate. Neither school often outright "denies" a student admission like you would see at a more selective institution. The majority of those not admitted at both are because they did not submit the necessary information, but they do not get a denial letter.

And because I can see where you are going with the "greater percentage of MSU applicants fail to meet the standards compared to UM applicants" and your next step will be to say that UM gets a higher quality student applying, that is also incorrect. It is a volume thing. UM gets less than 10,000 applications for new FR students while MSU gets nearly 25,000 applications.

I’m not going there. I’m just pointing out that ECBobcat didn’t know what he was talking about when he said MSU admits students more selectively. He was intimating that UM accepts students who wouldn’t be able to get into MSU, which is false. He’s just wrong.

[coachouert]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

Gris logic also includes the thought that a university nearly twice the size—whose incoming classes post higher SAT, ACT, and GPA averages; that admits students more selectively; that boasts twice as many Montana University Scholars; that claims over $100,000,000 more in research expenditures; that, as of 2023, has a larger endowment; and whose athletic teams have kept the Brawl of the Wild trophy nine straight times—is somehow the little brother university.

But hey, if they want to be the ugly, spinster big sister, whatever.

Not to nitpick, but MSU does not admit more selectively. MSU and UM have the exact same admissions criteria and are both open access institutions. MSU does have a much much higher volume of applications, but our admission standards are the same.

Noted. Admits a lower percentage of applicants might be a better way to state it, then.

No, you are just wrong.

Got it.

The two universities have the same admission standards. Applicants who don’t meet the standards are not admitted. A greater percentage of MSU applicants fail to meet the standards compared to UM applicants. The standards are identical. You figure it out. It’s the opposite of your argument.

That's not necessarily correct. MSU gets well over double the number of applications. If a student applies, but does not submit the necessary information such as a test score, GPA or pay the application fee for non-resident students that are looking at MSU or UM, they are never admitted and count against the admit rate. Neither school often outright "denies" a student admission like you would see at a more selective institution. The majority of those not admitted at both are because they did not submit the necessary information, but they do not get a denial letter.

And because I can see where you are going with the "greater percentage of MSU applicants fail to meet the standards compared to UM applicants" and your next step will be to say that UM gets a higher quality student applying, that is also incorrect. It is a volume thing. UM gets less than 10,000 applications for new FR students while MSU gets nearly 25,000 applications.

I’m not going there. I’m just pointing out that ECBobcat didn’t know what he was talking about when he said MSU admits students more selectively. He was intimating that UM accepts students who wouldn’t be able to get into MSU, which is false. He’s just wrong.

Fair enough. Apologies for making that assumption.

[HookedOnGriz]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

Pretty simple from what I saw….and it not just Griz fans….listen to Colter and others talk about Cooke’s arm talent…probably tops in the league. And if you let him sit in the pocket he can slice and dice you all day. That is what UM let him do the whole first half. Then they adjusted in the 2nd half, got him off his game with some pressure and moving him around (that’s when he’s not good at all or accurate).

So most Griz fans are admitting Cooke is a great passer, but not so great when you disrupt his timing. They are admitting the Cats defense will probably cause more pressure, disrupt his timing, and make him mediocre…..which is what the Griz finally did to him in the last 1.5 quarters.

After all it’s a game of match ups. ISU on the road is not a great match up for the 3-3-5. Your front at home is a better match up.

[wbtfg]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

Pretty simple from what I saw….and it not just Griz fans….listen to Colter and others talk about Cooke’s arm talent…probably tops in the league. And if you let him sit in the pocket he can slice and dice you all day. That is what UM let him do the whole first half. Then they adjusted in the 2nd half, got him off his game with some pressure and moving him around (that’s when he’s not good at all or accurate).

So most Griz fans are admitting Cooke is a great passer, but not so great when you disrupt his timing. They are admitting the Cats defense will probably cause more pressure, disrupt his timing, and make him mediocre…..which is what the Griz finally did to him in the last 1.5 quarters.

After all it’s a game of match ups. ISU on the road is not a great match up for the 3-3-5. Your front at home is a better match up.

Don't the griz regularly send 5 or 6 guys to rush the QB? it seemed to me like the opposite. He was able to pick apart the man coverage, but struggles when UM rushed fewer people, didn't rely on the man-to-man cover 0 and played more zone.

[TomCat88]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

Fans, media, coaches everywhere use hindsight to support their opinions in the present.

ISU gets the ball out quickly, like MH, and has tall receivers. That seems like a matchup problem for MSU. I’ll, uh, I’ll let you know if that’s right after the game.

[TomCat88]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

Pretty simple from what I saw….and it not just Griz fans….listen to Colter and others talk about Cooke’s arm talent…probably tops in the league. And if you let him sit in the pocket he can slice and dice you all day. That is what UM let him do the whole first half. Then they adjusted in the 2nd half, got him off his game with some pressure and moving him around (that’s when he’s not good at all or accurate).

So most Griz fans are admitting Cooke is a great passer, but not so great when you disrupt his timing. They are admitting the Cats defense will probably cause more pressure, disrupt his timing, and make him mediocre…..which is what the Griz finally did to him in the last 1.5 quarters.

After all it’s a game of match ups. ISU on the road is not a great match up for the 3-3-5. Your front at home is a better match up.

Don't the griz regularly send 5 or 6 guys to rush the QB? it seemed to me like the opposite. He was able to pick apart the man coverage, but struggles when UM rushed fewer people, didn't rely on the man-to-man cover 0 and played more zone.

The Griz defense is called Casino Royale. My assumption is that it is because it causes chaos, like the movie. It seems to work great against some offenses but when it doesn’t work great, it barely works at all.

[HookedOnGriz]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

Pretty simple from what I saw….and it not just Griz fans….listen to Colter and others talk about Cooke’s arm talent…probably tops in the league. And if you let him sit in the pocket he can slice and dice you all day. That is what UM let him do the whole first half. Then they adjusted in the 2nd half, got him off his game with some pressure and moving him around (that’s when he’s not good at all or accurate).

So most Griz fans are admitting Cooke is a great passer, but not so great when you disrupt his timing. They are admitting the Cats defense will probably cause more pressure, disrupt his timing, and make him mediocre…..which is what the Griz finally did to him in the last 1.5 quarters.

After all it’s a game of match ups. ISU on the road is not a great match up for the 3-3-5. Your front at home is a better match up.

Don't the griz regularly send 5 or 6 guys to rush the QB? it seemed to me like the opposite. He was able to pick apart the man coverage, but struggles when UM rushed fewer people, didn't rely on the man-to-man cover 0 and played more zone.

No not that many. Usually a couple LBs or a safety. The guys they were rushing were not getting “home” so he sat in the pocket comfortably (where he can torch you) and hit anyone and everyone he wanted as we had freshman corners playing and our best coverage LB out of the game. He is good at picking apart man on man if he has time. Once we got Wing back, we moved Harper to corner and we got a lot more pressure. The second he leaves the pocket he panics and his throwing went from about 80% to 40%. The cats will have an easier time forcing him out of pocket (imo) thus have much more success all game long as opposed to 1.5 quarters.

[TomCat88]

Here’s how it was explained to me:

All the griz do is blitz and play man.

[TomCat88]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

Pretty simple from what I saw….and it not just Griz fans….listen to Colter and others talk about Cooke’s arm talent…probably tops in the league. And if you let him sit in the pocket he can slice and dice you all day. That is what UM let him do the whole first half. Then they adjusted in the 2nd half, got him off his game with some pressure and moving him around (that’s when he’s not good at all or accurate).

So most Griz fans are admitting Cooke is a great passer, but not so great when you disrupt his timing. They are admitting the Cats defense will probably cause more pressure, disrupt his timing, and make him mediocre…..which is what the Griz finally did to him in the last 1.5 quarters.

After all it’s a game of match ups. ISU on the road is not a great match up for the 3-3-5. Your front at home is a better match up.

Don't the griz regularly send 5 or 6 guys to rush the QB? it seemed to me like the opposite. He was able to pick apart the man coverage, but struggles when UM rushed fewer people, didn't rely on the man-to-man cover 0 and played more zone.

No not that many. Usually a couple LBs or a safety. The guys they were rushing were not getting “home” so he sat in the pocket comfortably (where he can torch you) and hit anyone and everyone he wanted as we had freshman corners playing and our best coverage LB out of the game. He is good at picking apart man on man if he has time. Once we got Wing back, we moved Harper to corner and we got a lot more pressure. The second he leaves the pocket he panics and his throwing went from about 80% to 40%. The cats will have an easier time forcing him out of pocket (imo) thus have much more success all game long as opposed to 1.5 quarters.

Pretty much spot on it.

[Prodigal Cat]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

Pretty simple from what I saw….and it not just Griz fans….listen to Colter and others talk about Cooke’s arm talent…probably tops in the league. And if you let him sit in the pocket he can slice and dice you all day. That is what UM let him do the whole first half. Then they adjusted in the 2nd half, got him off his game with some pressure and moving him around (that’s when he’s not good at all or accurate).

So most Griz fans are admitting Cooke is a great passer, but not so great when you disrupt his timing. They are admitting the Cats defense will probably cause more pressure, disrupt his timing, and make him mediocre…..which is what the Griz finally did to him in the last 1.5 quarters.

After all it’s a game of match ups. ISU on the road is not a great match up for the 3-3-5. Your front at home is a better match up.

Don't the griz regularly send 5 or 6 guys to rush the QB? it seemed to me like the opposite. He was able to pick apart the man coverage, but struggles when UM rushed fewer people, didn't rely on the man-to-man cover 0 and played more zone.

The Griz defense is called Casino Royale. My assumption is that it is because it causes chaos, like the movie. It seems to work great against some offenses but when it doesn’t work great, it barely works at all.

Or maybe its called that because it starts out the season looking all Eva Green smoking hot and a high stakes poker winner but by the end of the season its strapped to a chair naked, the girl is dead and your getting your balls kicked in the playoffs.

[TomCat88]

Interesting that gris fans are posting a lot about how great the ISU QB is, and how he's the best QB that um will see all season long. They are also saying that MSU shouldn't have an issue shutting him down and should beat ISU easily. But yet somehow, UM is still the better team in their eyes.

I'm having a hard time following their logic.

The logic is: if the MSU vs ISU game is close, then UM did match up well with ISU and MSU didn't match up well ISU. So, MSU fans should be rooting for a close game vs ISU or even an ISU win.

[The Butcher]

So how did the griz have such a hard time against a below average ISU?

[RickRund]

So how did the griz have such a hard time against a below average ISU?

Yep, I think they only had 122 yards rushing.