OL Grades - 2025 SDSU

[TomCat88]

Last year ndsu had 275 and 328 in total offense vs SDSU. Thats not say MSU’s OL is playing great. Both games in Fargo.

[catzz]

This is truly appreciate Vim. Appreciate the breakdown to help us understand a bit of the complexity of the o-line.

[VimSince03]

This is truly appreciate Vim. Appreciate the breakdown to help us understand a bit of the complexity of the o-line.

I wish I could do an All-22 look so I can show you guys things I see. They aren't as far away as it seems...the level of competition has been crazy for a new unit to get tested by this early on. Not sure that 2022 offensive line would've faired any better when they were new on the scene. They got to figure things out against McNeese State and Morehead State before performing really well at Oregon State. Its also crazy JT was part of that line as well.

For example, I thought Cedric Jefferson had a terrible game on Saturday and it turned out we probably wouldn't have been very successful on offense without him. Was told Braden Zimmer's pass pro is crazy for how young he is in his development as an OT dating back to when he played the position in high school and that wasn't a lie...he's crazy talented at pass pro. Everyone crapped on Everett Carr all week and he definitely struggled...but then I saw a kid suck it up and perform better in the second half. I saw a player in Titan Fleischmann who is definitely playing out of position and could blame that for his struggles but instead he keeps lining up every play looking for work. And then there is JT Reed...who just keeps plugging away despite adversity every year of his college career.

[Travelingcat]

Thanks so much for this detailed write-up. Amazing to get an informed opinion so that I can begin to understand all of the stuff I don't know.

I still feel good about this team, though Lamson's pocket presence vs SDSU was not great and I didn't feel our playcalling did us any favors.

But we are likely going to "get well" over the next few games and build some confidence. We've played two really good teams-- likely far better than anyone else on our schedule. We were "almost there" vs. SDSU and just need to keep improving over the rest of the year to be very much in the mix.

[VimSince03]

Thanks so much for this detailed write-up. Amazing to get an informed opinion so that I can begin to understand all of the stuff I don't know.

I still feel good about this team, though Lamson's pocket presence vs SDSU was not great and I didn't feel our playcalling did us any favors.

But we are likely going to "get well" over the next few games and build some confidence. We've played two really good teams-- likely far better than anyone else on our schedule. We were "almost there" vs. SDSU and just need to keep improving over the rest of the year to be very much in the mix.

When he had a bad pocket, he arguably played better. When we had clean pockets, our passing production was poor. Hopefully that gets cleaned up.

[BelligerentBobcat]

This is truly appreciate Vim. Appreciate the breakdown to help us understand a bit of the complexity of the o-line.

I wish I could do an All-22 look so I can show you guys things I see. They aren't as far away as it seems...the level of competition has been crazy for a new unit to get tested by this early on. Not sure that 2022 offensive line would've faired any better when they were new on the scene. They got to figure things out against McNeese State and Morehead State before performing really well at Oregon State. Its also crazy JT was part of that line as well.

For example, I thought Cedric Jefferson had a terrible game on Saturday and it turned out we probably wouldn't have been very successful on offense without him. Was told Braden Zimmer's pass pro is crazy for how young he is in his development as an OT dating back to when he played the position in high school and that wasn't a lie...he's crazy talented at pass pro. Everyone crapped on Everett Carr all week and he definitely struggled...but then I saw a kid suck it up and perform better in the second half. I saw a player in Titan Fleischmann who is definitely playing out of position and could blame that for his struggles but instead he keeps lining up every play looking for work. And then there is JT Reed...who just keeps plugging away despite adversity every year of his college career.

Wait…do you have access to their all-22??

[VimSince03]

This is truly appreciate Vim. Appreciate the breakdown to help us understand a bit of the complexity of the o-line.

I wish I could do an All-22 look so I can show you guys things I see. They aren't as far away as it seems...the level of competition has been crazy for a new unit to get tested by this early on. Not sure that 2022 offensive line would've faired any better when they were new on the scene. They got to figure things out against McNeese State and Morehead State before performing really well at Oregon State. Its also crazy JT was part of that line as well.

For example, I thought Cedric Jefferson had a terrible game on Saturday and it turned out we probably wouldn't have been very successful on offense without him. Was told Braden Zimmer's pass pro is crazy for how young he is in his development as an OT dating back to when he played the position in high school and that wasn't a lie...he's crazy talented at pass pro. Everyone crapped on Everett Carr all week and he definitely struggled...but then I saw a kid suck it up and perform better in the second half. I saw a player in Titan Fleischmann who is definitely playing out of position and could blame that for his struggles but instead he keeps lining up every play looking for work. And then there is JT Reed...who just keeps plugging away despite adversity every year of his college career.

Wait…do you have access to their all-22??

No and thats why my grades are more broad when I do them because I'm only getting a side perspective. I can pick up most of it though.

[gtapp]

I want to see the OC (play calling) score! I was excited by this hire but after 2 games I am concerned with what I am seeing!

[TomCat88]

Rush stats last 7 FCS games (all playoff teams/6 top 10). Last year's opponent's yards per carry allowed in ( ).

SDSU 5.0 42-210 (3.1) +1.9
NDSU 5.4 37-198 (4.0) +1.4
USD 4.4 50-222 (3.3) +1.1
Idaho 5.3 53-283 (3.8') +1.5
UTM 6.1 33-201 (3.5) +2.6
UM 6.3 52-326 (3.9) +2.4
UCD 4.5 35-159 (3.7) +0.8

302-1599 5.3
SDSU's +/- of 1.9 is the third best in the group.
Disclaimer: stats can be deceiving.

[94VegasCat]

There hasn’t been much discussion of Mastel and his timeline of injury. I saw him dressed with a huge club on his hand last week. Could he have played? Upon his return what does the line look like?

LT Zimmer
LG Reed
C Mastel
RG Carr
RT Fleischman

[technoCat]

There hasn’t been much discussion of Mastel and his timeline of injury. I saw him dressed with a huge club on his hand last week. Could he have played? Upon his return what does the line look like?

LT Zimmer
LG Reed
C Mastel
RG Carr
RT Fleischman

I feel like they have to find a way to keep Jefferson and Zimmer on the field. I think Carr might become the odd man out.

[catzz]

There hasn’t been much discussion of Mastel and his timeline of injury. I saw him dressed with a huge club on his hand last week. Could he have played? Upon his return what does the line look like?

LT Zimmer
LG Reed
C Mastel
RG Carr
RT Fleischman

I’m sure he could have played, but he isn’t playing center with that club.

[BelligerentBobcat]

There hasn’t been much discussion of Mastel and his timeline of injury. I saw him dressed with a huge club on his hand last week. Could he have played? Upon his return what does the line look like?

LT Zimmer
LG Reed
C Mastel
RG Carr
RT Fleischman

I’m sure he could have played, but he isn’t playing center with that club.

It would be incredibly difficult to play any OL position without the full use of one hand. I can’t imagine he’s playing until the cast is off.

[GoldstoneCat]

There hasn’t been much discussion of Mastel and his timeline of injury. I saw him dressed with a huge club on his hand last week. Could he have played? Upon his return what does the line look like?

LT Zimmer
LG Reed
C Mastel
RG Carr
RT Fleischman

I feel like they have to find a way to keep Jefferson and Zimmer on the field. I think Carr might become the odd man out.

I think you're probably right but I'm not so sure this isn't the better option, because it's putting the best player back at his natural position as well. Idk. I'm kind of torn about it.

[94VegasCat]

There hasn’t been much discussion of Mastel and his timeline of injury. I saw him dressed with a huge club on his hand last week. Could he have played? Upon his return what does the line look like?

LT Zimmer
LG Reed
C Mastel
RG Carr
RT Fleischman

I feel like they have to find a way to keep Jefferson and Zimmer on the field. I think Carr might become the odd man out.

I think you're probably right but I'm not so sure this isn't the better option, because it's putting the best player back at his natural position as well. Idk. I'm kind of torn about it.

The group is doing good. I’m not calling anyone out or complaining but just wonder if there’s better combinations when Mastel is back.

[BelligerentBobcat]

There hasn’t been much discussion of Mastel and his timeline of injury. I saw him dressed with a huge club on his hand last week. Could he have played? Upon his return what does the line look like?

LT Zimmer
LG Reed
C Mastel
RG Carr
RT Fleischman

I feel like they have to find a way to keep Jefferson and Zimmer on the field. I think Carr might become the odd man out.

I think you're probably right but I'm not so sure this isn't the better option, because it's putting the best player back at his natural position as well. Idk. I'm kind of torn about it.

The group is doing good. I’m not calling anyone out or complaining but just wonder if there’s better combinations when Mastel is back.

My personal opinion is that they should do whatever they need to do to get Titan back at RT.

[TomCat88]

The OL generated 5.3 ypc but most of that was Davis, who was over 10. Lamson would've been around 6.0 were it not for a big sack. USD came in at 3.4 ypc, so this is 1.9 over that.

I kind of expect MSU to be around 5.5 ypc this year. I don't see that as any fault of the OL. Mostly it's due to Mellott being gone. He required a lot of attention from opponents and that freed RBs up a bit. I think this is a good thing though because now the OL has to be more diverse in what they do, and they seem to be doing just that.

Despite the strength of schedule MSU is third in pass efficiency in the BSC and just 3.1 out of first place at 145.2. The completion percentage is off the charts at 76%, which is 10% higher than the second best in the league. Both those numbers are against much tougher competition.

MSU had a good passing game last year in terms of completion pct and efficiency. However, it's a more important stat this year considering how much more balanced the offense is.