Two down, 0-2, +\—‘s

[kwcat]

Montana State has two games under its belt was hoping for better results but no huge surprises yet.
Was hoping for a better topic than the fire everyone back-and-forth garbage. Listen to a few podcast in the last couple of days and still trying to get my thoughts around this team.
As always, there are some encouraging things with some players, stepping up, some expected some surprises.
Cole Taylor at linebacker is rapidly improving.
Seth Brock and Mason Dethman have been a blast watching on special teams.
Caden Dowler continues to improve despite injuries and very little playing time.
Defensive line has been solid.
I still have concerns in the secondary due to lack of size, but overall find more positives than negatives.
Don’t believe we have found an identity on offense yet. May be due to lack of reps, or two really good opponents not allowing that identity to surface, or lack of play calling ability by Sterbick?
Would expect that we will get some sort of foothold this next weekend on offense.
Got into rhythm a few times against South Dakota State only to shoot ourselves in the foot with mistakes. Not 100% sold on Lamson. I am hoping he improves and becomes what we need. So far it seems like he has a problem seeing the field and missing opportunities on both RPO run options as well as open receivers.
Tight ends are somewhat inexperienced and I think we’ll get better in their roles as the season progresses.
Lack of a run game may be due to moving the offensive line around and creating some communication issues.

The sky is far from falling, lots of new coaching, staff and people filling in positions. Hopefully everybody gets meaningful reps the next few weeks and these questions get answered.

Anybody else have some productive thoughts?

[coloradocat]

August O Line > September O Line

Turns out making everyone learn a new position on the fly against Oregon and SDSU was harder than anticipated regardless of whether they are the "best 5" or not.

By October, the next time we play someone we can't sleepwalk over, the OL and QB should be fine and the offense should be very scary.

[Prodigal Cat]

The Cat defensive front just made the best O-line in this subdivision look very poor. If your an offensive coordinator in the Big Sky with those dudes coming to town your doing a Ralphie Wiggum impersonation of peeing your pants while saying "i'm in danger".

[VimSince03]

The Cat defensive front just made the best O-line in this subdivision look very poor. If your an offensive coordinator in the Big Sky with those dudes coming to town your doing a Ralphie Wiggum impersonation of peeing your pants while saying "i'm in danger".

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

Montana State has two games under its belt was hoping for better results but no huge surprises yet.
Was hoping for a better topic than the fire everyone back-and-forth garbage. Listen to a few podcast in the last couple of days and still trying to get my thoughts around this team.
As always, there are some encouraging things with some players, stepping up, some expected some surprises.
Cole Taylor at linebacker is rapidly improving.
Seth Brock and Mason Dethman have been a blast watching on special teams.
Caden Dowler continues to improve despite injuries and very little playing time.
Defensive line has been solid.
I still have concerns in the secondary due to lack of size, but overall find more positives than negatives.
Don’t believe we have found an identity on offense yet. May be due to lack of reps, or two really good opponents not allowing that identity to surface, or lack of play calling ability by Sterbick?
Would expect that we will get some sort of foothold this next weekend on offense.
Got into rhythm a few times against South Dakota State only to shoot ourselves in the foot with mistakes. Not 100% sold on Lamson. I am hoping he improves and becomes what we need. So far it seems like he has a problem seeing the field and missing opportunities on both RPO run options as well as open receivers.
Tight ends are somewhat inexperienced and I think we’ll get better in their roles as the season progresses.
Lack of a run game may be due to moving the offensive line around and creating some communication issues.

The sky is far from falling, lots of new coaching, staff and people filling in positions. Hopefully everybody gets meaningful reps the next few weeks and these questions get answered.

Anybody else have some productive thoughts?

to address your snapshot.....
Taylor does look good, he's proving to be a good one

maybe we're seeing different things but i don't see anyone standing out on special teams. they are making routine plays. not bad but not eye popping

dowler is very hot and cold for me, he'll make a good tackle then he'll whiff, he'll be in coverage then his eyes are bad and his guy is running open for a TD

i disagree on the dl..for them to be touted as a strength they have been wildly underwhelming for me. little to no pressure on the qb, dbs have more tfls then they do. now they have seen two really good ols but if we are supposed to be that good, show it.

i truly don't know what your concerns are with the dbs. dbs aren't supposed to be big, they are supposed to be fast and be able to cover and that's what they have done. there have been some busts but it wasn't due to a lack of size. if your dbs are charged with tackling rbs your dl and lbs aren't doing their jobs.

agreed, offense seems to still be finding itself. i think we are a throw first team, but bobcat nation wants a run first team. i think the OC is trying to make vigen happy with running the ball but absence of a true running threat at qb is making it hard. play design is going to have to change, from blocking to where we are attacking teams. i do think they should explore the pass to open the run, but my hesitation with that is outside of taco the wrs don't seem to be able to get themselves open, which goes back to play design to get them open.

i actually disagree with you here, lamson has looked good with what has been called. the problem is what has been called hasn't been all that good(again play design). he isn't a running qb so why are using him like one? we need better blocking schemes to take advantage of blocking angles to allow for our backs to hit the crease. we are doing big on big and not winning so there are no run lanes. then we run the qb and it looks worse. our pass game isn't all that good because it's pretty much crossing routes or "you got to get open on your own" and our wrs aren't those type of players. need better combination routes to stress the coverages and find holes.

i think TEs have been a bright spot for us. caught the ball well blocked decently well. i think there is nothing but upside there.

agreed, could be a problem, but from what i saw we are big on big and we just aren't winning. that has nothing to do with communication, when you lock on move the man. that we aren't doing. which is why i say lets using X blocking, pull schemes, trap blocks to gain a tactical advantage via angles to move guys and allow our rbs to find the crease.

agreed...lots of new faces everywhere...lots of old faces coaching new positions....i have faith in the staff to iron out everything. first two games was a doozy for a revamped team. its understandable to start out slow. the team should be able to breathe a little and work on some of their issues and get better all around moving forward.

my take by position:

qb: still learning the offense. he knows what to do but isn't fully comfortable, but he's played arguable the #1 team in the country and the #2 team in our division, he's going to look that way. i see a lot of good and the bad i feel can be coached up. he isn't a running qb so lets ALL understand that and stop looking for that(OC stop calling those plays).

rbs: haven't seen them really show up yet, but i think that is more due to the dls that they have seen and the ol still sorting it all out. ability is there they will be fine.

wrs: taco is clearly the guy. what do we do if they bracket cover him? the other wrs have to start showing up to be a threat so that taco can get loose. i don't think they are man beaters so we need to have routes that work with other routes to free themselves up or we go to timing routes and positional throws(ie back shoulder).

ol: haven't showed up yet in the run game, but have been actually pretty good in the pass game. when we got pressure it's because the wrs didn't get open so the qb has had to hold the ball. run game we get little to no push at all, they got to figure out what the issue is there. that isn't communication that's ability. if we don't have the ability to move a man change our scheme so we can create creases.

lbs: they've looked really good. they pull their trigger and run hard to the ball. i like what i see here. they will only get better. couple of times is saw two men in one hole so they got to sort out their gap responsibilities, but i attribute that to their aggressiveness...i'll take it..easier to back one off than to make one go.

dl: to be our supposed best unit, hasn't really showed up to me. not a lot of qb pressures, no tfls, los isn't changing. now they have seen two really good ols, so i get it. but they are supposed to be a strength so they need to be a strength no excuses.

cbs: they have actually been the best group behind the lbs. to be almost all new faces, none having any starting experience they are covering guys well, driving to the ball and tackling well. wk 1 they saw a group of wrs that should be nfl players, in almost all man to man scenarios nobody was running free. wk 2 coverage was spot on..mcmillan was pulled on the td and it was a great throw and catch, he'll learn from that and i doubt it happens again.

S: i like what i see they are where they are supposed to be and they get there fast. very few busted coverages, problem is when they bust its' a td...ot td S eyes were bad, jumped the run didn't see the te releasing....td. correctable, has nothing to do with ability.

coaching: howe figured out they weren't throwing at mcmillan and rolled coverage and started stuffing them. he found his flow and i feel he has called two good games. personally i think we rotate too much. if a group is doing well, let them play. rotate the dl as needed but the secondary and lbs leave them alone, they find a groove then their out. i don't like that. OC is still getting his footing. he didn't call a terrible game, i mean we went to double ot, so got to give him some credit. i think he still doesn't really know what all his players really can do and isn't calling plays to highlight the strengths of his players..from the ol, to the qb, to he rbs, to the wrs. he has to design plays that marries all of those things into one. not an easy job but that's his charge and that's what a good oc does. i have faith that he'll figure it out, and with the teams left to play he has some room to breathe to get that done.

vigen: in two games...one we were clearly outmatched at most positions and it showed. the other we went to double ot. in every game there are things everyone could have done better but all in all the guys have showed up ready to play and seem prepared. now i will say that the continued mishaps on special teams needs to be addressed. one week is a mishap, two weeks begins a pattern. we can't beat ourselves and we are losing the hidden yardage game because of special teams, that isn't ok and he has to address that. i think he will, so i look at that as a non issue(unless it keeps up then it is an issue).

overall: we'll be ok...we played two really tough opponents with a truly revamped team and coaching staff. we were going to have our growing pains and we had two weeks worth. now i do expect to see us play better and clean up the mishaps we've had. we are still a really good team with a TON of ability. the coaches have to let go of tradition, past years, and "what msu does" and do what our players do best so they can be their best. if we do that we roll and we will be in nashville....my pre-season prediction stands....NC champs at years end.

[onceacat]

Defense is playing really well as a unit. I don't care if all those TFLs are from the DL or from DBs coming up and making plays, ultimately Defense is played as a team...and I think they are solid, maybe even really good.

Offense has kinks to work out. We have the best RB tandem in FCS, why are we running Lamson on designed QB plays? The staff obviously knows more than I do, but this seems way out of whack. I think Lamson looks like he provides the first legit passing threat since McGhee. Stop treating him like Tommy or Troy. O-Line is all over the place...I don't necessarily buy into the philosophy of moving everyone around...but Vigen has proven himself, so I'll see what comes over the next couple months.

Special teams-fine, nothing of note EXCEPT that the punt team has been full on bush league. Seriously WTF!!!!! Punt team alone is responsible for at least 14, maybe 28 points of opponents scores. The Hawks or Raptors would be benching the punt team at this point & starting to look for something new. Maybe the strategy of no punts? Always go for it on 4th & 20+? I've never seen any Bobcat unit this bad in a 2 game stretch. Gotta get it fixed ASAP. If the punt team is this bad, San Diego could have a chance with a couple punt blocks.

Fix special teams & get Lamson settled in & develop a good offensive identity & theres no reason this isn't a legit SF team with a chance at the chipper.

[TomCat88]

i disagree on the dl..for them to be touted as a strength they have been wildly underwhelming for me. little to no pressure on the qb, dbs have more tfls then they do. now they have seen two really good ols but if we are supposed to be that good, show it.

dl: to be our supposed best unit, hasn't really showed up to me. not a lot of qb pressures, no tfls, los isn't changing. now they have seen two really good ols, so i get it. but they are supposed to be a strength so they need to be a strength no excuses.

I'm going to give it another week, but I have to think the DL is doing pretty well. At least statistically. I see you're concentrating on the pass rush, but the DL plays a big role in the run game as well. MSU allowed 6.5 ypc to Oregon, but a week later the Ducks got 8.4 against Okla. State. Last week, MSU held SDSU to just 3.1, which is a good number against anyone let alone a team like SDSU. I can't really hold it against them for not getting to the QB against Oregon, but they should've been able to get more pressure on the QB vs SDSU. I have them down for three goods and just one bad.

[GoldstoneCat]

Defense is playing really well as a unit. I don't care if all those TFLs are from the DL or from DBs coming up and making plays, ultimately Defense is played as a team...and I think they are solid, maybe even really good.

Offense has kinks to work out. We have the best RB tandem in FCS, why are we running Lamson on designed QB plays? The staff obviously knows more than I do, but this seems way out of whack. I think Lamson looks like he provides the first legit passing threat since McGhee. Stop treating him like Tommy or Troy. O-Line is all over the place...I don't necessarily buy into the philosophy of moving everyone around...but Vigen has proven himself, so I'll see what comes over the next couple months.

Special teams-fine, nothing of note EXCEPT that the punt team has been full on bush league. Seriously WTF!!!!! Punt team alone is responsible for at least 14, maybe 28 points of opponents scores. The Hawks or Raptors would be benching the punt team at this point & starting to look for something new. Maybe the strategy of no punts? Always go for it on 4th & 20+? I've never seen any Bobcat unit this bad in a 2 game stretch. Gotta get it fixed ASAP. If the punt team is this bad, San Diego could have a chance with a couple punt blocks.

Fix special teams & get Lamson settled in & develop a good offensive identity & theres no reason this isn't a legit SF team with a chance at the chipper.

Lamson scrambled a lot last week with guys open down the field. Now, some of that is no doubt on the offensive line, and yes there were some designed runs or read options (one of which was a touchdown) but so far he looks like a 1 read QB to me. One can function better as a 1 read QB if you're as fast as Tommy. The jury is still very much out behind center. Hopefully this 3 game stretch here allows us to find our footing and for him to get more comfortable in the offense.

[SAE94]

What I am afraid is going to happen is that we are going to play two doormats and blow them out. The feeling will be "Hurray! Cats have righted the ship..." Only to be exposed again when conference starts.

[luckyirishguy25]

What I am afraid is going to happen is that we are going to play two doormats and blow them out. The feeling will be "Hurray! Cats have righted the ship..." Only to be exposed again when conference starts.

I'm not concerned with conference play, we play in the big fluffy, we'll be fine. It's the playoffs when we go one and done and everyone is shocked is my problem.

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

Defense is playing really well as a unit. I don't care if all those TFLs are from the DL or from DBs coming up and making plays, ultimately Defense is played as a team...and I think they are solid, maybe even really good.

Offense has kinks to work out. We have the best RB tandem in FCS, why are we running Lamson on designed QB plays? The staff obviously knows more than I do, but this seems way out of whack. I think Lamson looks like he provides the first legit passing threat since McGhee. Stop treating him like Tommy or Troy. O-Line is all over the place...I don't necessarily buy into the philosophy of moving everyone around...but Vigen has proven himself, so I'll see what comes over the next couple months.

Special teams-fine, nothing of note EXCEPT that the punt team has been full on bush league. Seriously WTF!!!!! Punt team alone is responsible for at least 14, maybe 28 points of opponents scores. The Hawks or Raptors would be benching the punt team at this point & starting to look for something new. Maybe the strategy of no punts? Always go for it on 4th & 20+? I've never seen any Bobcat unit this bad in a 2 game stretch. Gotta get it fixed ASAP. If the punt team is this bad, San Diego could have a chance with a couple punt blocks.

Fix special teams & get Lamson settled in & develop a good offensive identity & theres no reason this isn't a legit SF team with a chance at the chipper.

i agree the defense is play really well....i do care who is getting the TFLs because when your dbs are getting TFLs they are triggering way too fast which compromises them in pass coverage...evidenced by the game winning TD, the safeties triggered way too fast because their eyes were in the backfield(trying to crash hard on the run) and they didn't read the TE properly(THAT's who read as a safety to get your run pass key). it's a large problem if your dbs are leading the team in TFLs. yes defense is a team game...each person has to do their job, when you don't do your job someone else has to do it and that compromises your job....dl is there it get tfl's not dbs..by essentially doing their job they aren't doing theirs, which is why you see wrs open in the middle of the field at times, they are making up for the lack of dl stopping the run and not doing their job. when you know your dl is good on the run you are slower to react to it which allows you to not get caught in the PA pass. we can agree to disagree...i'm good with that.

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

i disagree on the dl..for them to be touted as a strength they have been wildly underwhelming for me. little to no pressure on the qb, dbs have more tfls then they do. now they have seen two really good ols but if we are supposed to be that good, show it.

dl: to be our supposed best unit, hasn't really showed up to me. not a lot of qb pressures, no tfls, los isn't changing. now they have seen two really good ols, so i get it. but they are supposed to be a strength so they need to be a strength no excuses.

I'm going to give it another week, but I have to think the DL is doing pretty well. At least statistically. I see you're concentrating on the pass rush, but the DL plays a big role in the run game as well. MSU allowed 6.5 ypc to Oregon, but a week later the Ducks got 8.4 against Okla. State. Last week, MSU held SDSU to just 3.1, which is a good number against anyone let alone a team like SDSU. I can't really hold it against them for not getting to the QB against Oregon, but they should've been able to get more pressure on the QB vs SDSU. I have them down for three goods and just one bad.

we can agree to disagree. i think the run yardage is being effected more by the help of the dbs and lbs as opposed to the dl being great against the run. there have been a host of plays that i'm seeing the cb knife in from a gap that has been opened up by the dl to limit yards on closed in sets. i'm seeing safeties triggering super fast making plays at the los. i'm looking at their play overall....we don't get a push on the los AND we don't get any pressure. we can throw out the oregon game if you'd like. against sdsu we didn't get a push and there was no pressure on the qb. now i'm not dogging the dl, i do think we have ability, they just haven't performed to level that i expected. again they played two really good ols so i do expect them to get better and when they see sdsu in the playoffs they will play better against them. i'm not off of them i just feel they need to step up, that's all.

[coloradocat]

i disagree on the dl..for them to be touted as a strength they have been wildly underwhelming for me. little to no pressure on the qb, dbs have more tfls then they do. now they have seen two really good ols but if we are supposed to be that good, show it.

dl: to be our supposed best unit, hasn't really showed up to me. not a lot of qb pressures, no tfls, los isn't changing. now they have seen two really good ols, so i get it. but they are supposed to be a strength so they need to be a strength no excuses.

vs SDSU (via team website box score)

Eiden: 1.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks
Parsons: 2 TFL, 1 sack
Eckert: 1 TFL, 1 sack
Crews: 0.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks
Brott: 0.5 TFL, 0 sacks
All LBs: 1.5 TFL, 0 sacks
All DBs: 0 TFL, 0 sacks
DL sacks: 4
DB pbus: 3

The defense held SDSU to 3.1 YPC and the only rushing TD was by the QB. Sure, they could have been better, but they were also playing a great team. Can't pile up stats on everyone.

[kwcat]

BBT
I do feel pretty good about the defensive line.
to clarify in regards to the defensive backs. My reference to size primarily comes to tackling and contested balls. They are very athletic and seem to be rapidly improving so I am not completely down on them. I am old school and it does drive me crazy when they don’t get their heads turned, especially against bigger receivers such as the touchdowns scored by number one from South Dakota State.
offensively we just do not have a flow established. I still think swapping out the center position on the offensive line is disruptive due to communications between lineman. hopefully we get Mastel back and everybody else under their correct positions.
In regards to Lamson, I have two concerns, one of which somebody else already mentioned is that he doesn’t seem to progress through his reads and gets a little antsy. Secondly, his running style seems to cause larger impact in getting tackled rather than glancing off the defenders. That’s a longevity concern.
Being at home against little bit less teams than what we’ve seen, hopefully provides the opportunity to iron these issues out.
I’ve been awful busy with work and not gotten to evaluate players as closely as I would like. Sure appreciate everybody’s input. I will be curious to see how we improve and progress.Go Cats!

[TomCat88]

i disagree on the dl..for them to be touted as a strength they have been wildly underwhelming for me. little to no pressure on the qb, dbs have more tfls then they do. now they have seen two really good ols but if we are supposed to be that good, show it.

dl: to be our supposed best unit, hasn't really showed up to me. not a lot of qb pressures, no tfls, los isn't changing. now they have seen two really good ols, so i get it. but they are supposed to be a strength so they need to be a strength no excuses.

I'm going to give it another week, but I have to think the DL is doing pretty well. At least statistically. I see you're concentrating on the pass rush, but the DL plays a big role in the run game as well. MSU allowed 6.5 ypc to Oregon, but a week later the Ducks got 8.4 against Okla. State. Last week, MSU held SDSU to just 3.1, which is a good number against anyone let alone a team like SDSU. I can't really hold it against them for not getting to the QB against Oregon, but they should've been able to get more pressure on the QB vs SDSU. I have them down for three goods and just one bad.

we can agree to disagree. i think the run yardage is being effected more by the help of the dbs and lbs as opposed to the dl being great against the run. there have been a host of plays that i'm seeing the cb knife in from a gap that has been opened up by the dl to limit yards on closed in sets. i'm seeing safeties triggering super fast making plays at the los. i'm looking at their play overall....we don't get a push on the los AND we don't get any pressure. we can throw out the oregon game if you'd like. against sdsu we didn't get a push and there was no pressure on the qb. now i'm not dogging the dl, i do think we have ability, they just haven't performed to level that i expected. again they played two really good ols so i do expect them to get better and when they see sdsu in the playoffs they will play better against them. i'm not off of them i just feel they need to step up, that's all.

Oh no! We don't have to agree to disagree. I'm not a football person, so you can just tell me to shut up. I can tell you know way more about it than I do. You've probably forgotten more than I'll ever know. I just thought the DL sort of took up blockers so the LBs and safeties can clean up. But I defer to you or just about anyone. Thanks!

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

i disagree on the dl..for them to be touted as a strength they have been wildly underwhelming for me. little to no pressure on the qb, dbs have more tfls then they do. now they have seen two really good ols but if we are supposed to be that good, show it.

dl: to be our supposed best unit, hasn't really showed up to me. not a lot of qb pressures, no tfls, los isn't changing. now they have seen two really good ols, so i get it. but they are supposed to be a strength so they need to be a strength no excuses.

vs SDSU (via team website box score)

Eiden: 1.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks
Parsons: 2 TFL, 1 sack
Eckert: 1 TFL, 1 sack
Crews: 0.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks
Brott: 0.5 TFL, 0 sacks
All LBs: 1.5 TFL, 0 sacks
All DBs: 0 TFL, 0 sacks
DL sacks: 4
DB pbus: 3

The defense held SDSU to 3.1 YPC and the only rushing TD was by the QB. Sure, they could have been better, but they were also playing a great team. Can't pile up stats on everyone.

so sdsu have 3.1 ypc and we think that is a good job for our defense....conversely we are saying that our offense had the same ypc and we are saying they didn't do good. which on is it? you are using the same basic stat to say two different things, lol. i stated multiple times that i'm not down on the dl but for them to be a strength they were not a deciding force for our defense. the lbs and dbs are playing better than they are. size is means little on the edge your ability matters most. i know for a fact that mcmillan has a 48" vertical, i've seen him being about 1-2" shorter windmill dunk off two feet, he isn't getting big boyed in the endzone, now he didn't get out experienced in that he was pulled down on the td and he was expecting that, you could see in his reaction after the td that hew as looking for a flag...but because of the kid he is, he stopped owned it and walked to the huddle. they have tackled fine....again if your dbs are being charged to be deciding forces in the run game your defensive scheme is bad, actually it's terrible. they have missed few tackled and have showed up with force multiple times.

again the dl has seen two really good ols. i felt they would be more of a factor based off the hype around what they were supposed to be, i am more impressed with other positions than the dl. i just feel they need to be what we all think she are. again we can agree to disagree on what we see...i could careless about stats, i'm watching the game and i know what i see.

[tetoncat]

i disagree on the dl..for them to be touted as a strength they have been wildly underwhelming for me. little to no pressure on the qb, dbs have more tfls then they do. now they have seen two really good ols but if we are supposed to be that good, show it.

dl: to be our supposed best unit, hasn't really showed up to me. not a lot of qb pressures, no tfls, los isn't changing. now they have seen two really good ols, so i get it. but they are supposed to be a strength so they need to be a strength no excuses.

vs SDSU (via team website box score)

Eiden: 1.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks
Parsons: 2 TFL, 1 sack
Eckert: 1 TFL, 1 sack
Crews: 0.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks
Brott: 0.5 TFL, 0 sacks
All LBs: 1.5 TFL, 0 sacks
All DBs: 0 TFL, 0 sacks
DL sacks: 4
DB pbus: 3

The defense held SDSU to 3.1 YPC and the only rushing TD was by the QB. Sure, they could have been better, but they were also playing a great team. Can't pile up stats on everyone.

so sdsu have 3.1 ypc and we think that is a good job for our defense....conversely we are saying that our offense had the same ypc and we are saying they didn't do good. which on is it? you are using the same basic stat to say two different things, lol. i stated multiple times that i'm not down on the dl but for them to be a strength they were not a deciding force for our defense. the lbs and dbs are playing better than they are. size is means little on the edge your ability matters most. i know for a fact that mcmillan has a 48" vertical, i've seen him being about 1-2" shorter windmill dunk off two feet, he isn't getting big boyed in the endzone, now he didn't get out experienced in that he was pulled down on the td and he was expecting that, you could see in his reaction after the td that hew as looking for a flag...but because of the kid he is, he stopped owned it and walked to the huddle. they have tackled fine....again if your dbs are being charged to be deciding forces in the run game your defensive scheme is bad, actually it's terrible. they have missed few tackled and have showed up with force multiple times.

again the dl has seen two really good ols. i felt they would be more of a factor based off the hype around what they were supposed to be, i am more impressed with other positions than the dl. i just feel they need to be what we all think she are. again we can agree to disagree on what we see...i could careless about stats, i'm watching the game and i know what i see.

You literally said the DL had no TFL or pressure and DB had all the TFL. It was shown that was not the case. DBs have to make tackles on outside runs and quick passes. The D as a whole has played well but areas for all positions improve

[TomCat88]

so sdsu have 3.1 ypc and we think that is a good job for our defense....conversely we are saying that our offense had the same ypc and we are saying they didn't do good. which one is it?

MSU averaged 5.0 to 3.1 for SDSU. Both numbers are good considering those are their strengths. SDSU led the MVFC in every major statistical category last year. They held teams to 3.1 yards per carry and 98(?) yards rushing per game. That 3.1 allowed might where the confusion is.

[grizzh8r]

i disagree on the dl..for them to be touted as a strength they have been wildly underwhelming for me. little to no pressure on the qb, dbs have more tfls then they do. now they have seen two really good ols but if we are supposed to be that good, show it.

dl: to be our supposed best unit, hasn't really showed up to me. not a lot of qb pressures, no tfls, los isn't changing. now they have seen two really good ols, so i get it. but they are supposed to be a strength so they need to be a strength no excuses.

vs SDSU (via team website box score)

Eiden: 1.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks
Parsons: 2 TFL, 1 sack
Eckert: 1 TFL, 1 sack
Crews: 0.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks
Brott: 0.5 TFL, 0 sacks
All LBs: 1.5 TFL, 0 sacks
All DBs: 0 TFL, 0 sacks
DL sacks: 4
DB pbus: 3

The defense held SDSU to 3.1 YPC and the only rushing TD was by the QB. Sure, they could have been better, but they were also playing a great team. Can't pile up stats on everyone.

so sdsu have 3.1 ypc and we think that is a good job for our defense....conversely we are saying that our offense had the same ypc and we are saying they didn't do good. which on is it? you are using the same basic stat to say two different things, lol. i stated multiple times that i'm not down on the dl but for them to be a strength they were not a deciding force for our defense. the lbs and dbs are playing better than they are. size is means little on the edge your ability matters most. i know for a fact that mcmillan has a 48" vertical, i've seen him being about 1-2" shorter windmill dunk off two feet, he isn't getting big boyed in the endzone, now he didn't get out experienced in that he was pulled down on the td and he was expecting that, you could see in his reaction after the td that hew as looking for a flag...but because of the kid he is, he stopped owned it and walked to the huddle. they have tackled fine....again if your dbs are being charged to be deciding forces in the run game your defensive scheme is bad, actually it's terrible. they have missed few tackled and have showed up with force multiple times.

again the dl has seen two really good ols. i felt they would be more of a factor based off the hype around what they were supposed to be, i am more impressed with other positions than the dl. i just feel they need to be what we all think she are. again we can agree to disagree on what we see...i could careless about stats, i'm watching the game and i know what i see.

Box score said we had 5.0 ypc, right? Big difference...

[coloradocat]

i disagree on the dl..for them to be touted as a strength they have been wildly underwhelming for me. little to no pressure on the qb, dbs have more tfls then they do. now they have seen two really good ols but if we are supposed to be that good, show it.

dl: to be our supposed best unit, hasn't really showed up to me. not a lot of qb pressures, no tfls, los isn't changing. now they have seen two really good ols, so i get it. but they are supposed to be a strength so they need to be a strength no excuses.

vs SDSU (via team website box score)

Eiden: 1.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks
Parsons: 2 TFL, 1 sack
Eckert: 1 TFL, 1 sack
Crews: 0.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks
Brott: 0.5 TFL, 0 sacks
All LBs: 1.5 TFL, 0 sacks
All DBs: 0 TFL, 0 sacks
DL sacks: 4
DB pbus: 3

The defense held SDSU to 3.1 YPC and the only rushing TD was by the QB. Sure, they could have been better, but they were also playing a great team. Can't pile up stats on everyone.

so sdsu have 3.1 ypc and we think that is a good job for our defense....conversely we are saying that our offense had the same ypc and we are saying they didn't do good. which on is it? you are using the same basic stat to say two different things, lol. i stated multiple times that i'm not down on the dl but for them to be a strength they were not a deciding force for our defense. the lbs and dbs are playing better than they are. size is means little on the edge your ability matters most. i know for a fact that mcmillan has a 48" vertical, i've seen him being about 1-2" shorter windmill dunk off two feet, he isn't getting big boyed in the endzone, now he didn't get out experienced in that he was pulled down on the td and he was expecting that, you could see in his reaction after the td that hew as looking for a flag...but because of the kid he is, he stopped owned it and walked to the huddle. they have tackled fine....again if your dbs are being charged to be deciding forces in the run game your defensive scheme is bad, actually it's terrible. they have missed few tackled and have showed up with force multiple times.

again the dl has seen two really good ols. i felt they would be more of a factor based off the hype around what they were supposed to be, i am more impressed with other positions than the dl. i just feel they need to be what we all think she are. again we can agree to disagree on what we see...i could careless about stats, i'm watching the game and i know what i see.

If I delete the part about ypc will you address the real substance of the post: the fact that you lied about the DBs having more TFLs than the DL? Zero isn't a very big number. We all understand where you are coming from but you don't need to run down another position group to prop up your guys.