Stadium Expansion

[RKMCMT]

Seems like it's overdue. The ticket situation this year has officially veered into ridiculous. Zero new season passes were sold to the public in the offseason. Demand seems like it's pent up with no signs of fading.

Hadn't seen any recent discussion on plans to continue on Stadium Expansion but it feels like it's holding the program back again. Anyone heard any rumors on recent concepts or developments?

I know there was an overarching plan including redoing East stands and open north endzone back when the south endzone was filled in. I just haven't heard any talk about rolling that forward (or anything else like it).

[RICO CAT]

Still waiting for Daddy Warbucks to step out of the shadows. Donors were recently tapped for the IPF so I don’t see anything on the horizon. When it does happen it will likely be piecemeal one section at a time. Would be good to at least come up with a concept for the NW end zone tho to get people thinking.

[CodyCat]

Welcome to the Stadium Expansion topic. You're a bit late. But welcome.

I will do my best to summarize everyone's thoughts:

1. Where does the money come from? Big donors are probably burned out from the BAC and IPF.
2. East side is a safety concern. Will the east side include a pressbox? Would a renovation actually add any seats?
3. Is there actual room in the north endzone for bleachers?
4. Again, where does the money come from. Lots of discussion on whether MSU/State Funds could be used to pay for them since it would possibly generate more income.
5. Lots of people on this board think any stadium expansion is at least five years out.
6. Sounds like there are no plans in the works for a stadium expansion anytime soon.

BN, what did I miss?

[BleedingBLue]

Welcome to the Stadium Expansion topic. You're a bit late. But welcome.

I will do my best to summarize everyone's thoughts:

1. Where does the money come from? Big donors are probably burned out from the BAC and IPF.
2. East side is a safety concern. Will the east side include a pressbox? Would a renovation actually add any seats?
3. Is there actual room in the north endzone for bleachers?
4. Again, where does the money come from. Lots of discussion on whether MSU/State Funds could be used to pay for them since it would possibly generate more income.
5. Lots of people on this board think any stadium expansion is at least five years out.
6. Sounds like there are no plans in the works for a stadium expansion anytime soon.

BN, what did I miss?

I think you missed can the corners of the NEZ be bowled in?

[AFCAT]

Still waiting for Daddy Warbucks to step out of the shadows. Donors were recently tapped for the IPF so I don’t see anything on the horizon. When it does happen it will likely be piecemeal one section at a time. Would be good to at least come up with a concept for the NW end zone tho to get people thinking.

Like this one from 2008?


Or this one from 2017?


I would hope they had some concept done up for internal planning, but they don't seem to want to share it since stuff seems to be always changing.

[RKMCMT]

I've seen that 2017 layout before. But thats getting to be a long time ago. I know there was a big push for the Indoor. But I figured since that's settled the next phase of their strategic plan would probably start to get some discussion. Even if it's a departure from what was drawn up during the last expansion.

[BelgradeBobcat]

Welcome to the Stadium Expansion topic. You're a bit late. But welcome.

I will do my best to summarize everyone's thoughts:

1. Where does the money come from? Big donors are probably burned out from the BAC and IPF.
2. East side is a safety concern. Will the east side include a pressbox? Would a renovation actually add any seats?
3. Is there actual room in the north endzone for bleachers?
4. Again, where does the money come from. Lots of discussion on whether MSU/State Funds could be used to pay for them since it would possibly generate more income.
5. Lots of people on this board think any stadium expansion is at least five years out.
6. Sounds like there are no plans in the works for a stadium expansion anytime soon.

BN, what did I miss?

Can the east side replacement happen in one off-season? The West side and south endzone did, but as I recall it was a really tight schedule for both.

[AFCAT]

I've seen that 2017 layout before. But thats getting to be a long time ago. I know there was a big push for the Indoor. But I figured since that's settled the next phase of their strategic plan would probably start to get some discussion. Even if it's a departure from what was drawn up during the last expansion.

My point is that they've got us intrigued in the past with their plans for the future but not a single plan has come out exactly how it was envisioned. The 2017 plan is coming in close but the concept videos/drawings are very different from the reality of what was built. Whatever concepts they would put out to us now would probably be changed anyway. Heck, even the indoor facility changed radically from a fabric sided football only facility, just last October, to a hard sided football and track facility, in a completely different location, just a few months later. How much money they raise will be the deciding factor in what will eventually be built. Future concept drawings are nice but I wouldn't put any stock in them at all.

[cat22[2010]]

Probably has been discussed on earlier threads on the subject but was is the likelihood that the roof of the BAC was set up from a structures perspective to have seating built onto the top of it? The likely answer is it was not, but maybe someone knows.

[AFCAT]

Probably has been discussed on earlier threads on the subject but was is the likelihood that the roof of the BAC was set up from a structures perspective to have seating built onto the top of it? The likely answer is it was not, but maybe someone knows.

Any seating on the BAC roof would have to be higher than the scoreboard to get a decent view of the field. Unless they move that scoreboard, I can't envision any seating up there at all.

[cat22[2010]]

Probably has been discussed on earlier threads on the subject but was is the likelihood that the roof of the BAC was set up from a structures perspective to have seating built onto the top of it? The likely answer is it was not, but maybe someone knows.

Any seating on the BAC roof would have to be higher than the scoreboard to get a decent view of the field. Unless they move that scoreboard, I can't envision any seating up there at all.

That is a good point, did not even think about the new scoreboard.

[kennethnoisewater]

Probably has been discussed on earlier threads on the subject but was is the likelihood that the roof of the BAC was set up from a structures perspective to have seating built onto the top of it? The likely answer is it was not, but maybe someone knows.

Leon said specifically that the BAC was not engineered for seating on the roof. But it doesn't matter like AFCAT said--can't see over the scoreboard anyway.

[Bobcat Sig]

Probably has been discussed on earlier threads on the subject but was is the likelihood that the roof of the BAC was set up from a structures perspective to have seating built onto the top of it? The likely answer is it was not, but maybe someone knows.

Leon said specifically that the BAC was not engineered for seating on the roof. But it doesn't matter like AFCAT said--can't see over the scoreboard anyway.

Good to know.

I suspect then the ends bordering the BAC could be bowled in. That could be pretty sweet.

[CodyCat]

I dont see any way that at some point in the future the new videoboard would be moved. It just has too. It really is in a terrible location. But, by the time that is necessary, it will be time for a new board.

[MSU01]

Seems like it's overdue. The ticket situation this year has officially veered into ridiculous. Zero new season passes were sold to the public in the offseason. Demand seems like it's pent up with no signs of fading.

Hadn't seen any recent discussion on plans to continue on Stadium Expansion but it feels like it's holding the program back again. Anyone heard any rumors on recent concepts or developments?

I know there was an overarching plan including redoing East stands and open north endzone back when the south endzone was filled in. I just haven't heard any talk about rolling that forward (or anything else like it).

I doubt we'll hear anything official from MSU until the Indoor Practice Facility is completed and opened, at the earliest. I'd have to disagree that the program is being held back by not expanding the stadium, because the two most recent facilities projects (BAC and IPF) won't be used by fans but will continue to have a huge positive impact on the football program itself. My guess: Within the next 10 years we'll have a rebuild of the east side bleachers. North end zone seating won't happen because the BAC is just too close to the field and the amount of seats you can fit in there may not be worth the cost. As with any facilities improvement project, unless a massive donor drops out of the sky and funds the entire thing it won't happen nearly as quickly as we'd like it to.

[cat22[2010]]

Probably has been discussed on earlier threads on the subject but was is the likelihood that the roof of the BAC was set up from a structures perspective to have seating built onto the top of it? The likely answer is it was not, but maybe someone knows.

Leon said specifically that the BAC was not engineered for seating on the roof. But it doesn't matter like AFCAT said--can't see over the scoreboard anyway.

Just because I am curious. Did Leon ever say why? I assume cost was a large decision factor.

[RKMCMT]

Seems like it's overdue. The ticket situation this year has officially veered into ridiculous. Zero new season passes were sold to the public in the offseason. Demand seems like it's pent up with no signs of fading.

Hadn't seen any recent discussion on plans to continue on Stadium Expansion but it feels like it's holding the program back again. Anyone heard any rumors on recent concepts or developments?

I know there was an overarching plan including redoing East stands and open north endzone back when the south endzone was filled in. I just haven't heard any talk about rolling that forward (or anything else like it).

I doubt we'll hear anything official from MSU until the Indoor Practice Facility is completed and opened, at the earliest. I'd have to disagree that the program is being held back by not expanding the stadium, because the two most recent facilities projects (BAC and IPF) won't be used by fans but will continue to have a huge positive impact on the football program itself. My guess: Within the next 10 years we'll have a rebuild of the east side bleachers. North end zone seating won't happen because the BAC is just too close to the field and the amount of seats you can fit in there may not be worth the cost. As with any facilities improvement project, unless a massive donor drops out of the sky and funds the entire thing it won't happen nearly as quickly as we'd like it to.

I think the prior plans always showed a short section of stands in the north endzone. I'd think they would have built the complex roughly where they'd need to to accommodate a short set of stands with a tunnel back to the complex. Guessing stands would come up to roughly window level on the complex or so until they can go higher in the corners. They had basically unlimited room to the north to space the complex so I can't imagine them not factoring in eventual expansion plans on it.

[RKMCMT]

I'd have to disagree that the program is being held back by not expanding the stadium, because the two most recent facilities projects (BAC and IPF) won't be used by fans but will continue to have a huge positive impact on the football program itself. My guess: Within the next 10 years we'll have a rebuild of the east side bleachers. North end zone seating won't happen because the BAC is just too close to the field and the amount of seats you can fit in there may not be worth the cost. As with any facilities improvement project, unless a massive donor drops out of the sky and funds the entire thing it won't happen nearly as quickly as we'd like it to.

Not held back as in no progress is being made. But selling zero new season tickets is a new threshold. Heck UM was still selling them this year and still even offering those desperation 3-game season packages.

Looking at what tickets are selling for aftermarket, even for these trash early warmup games... the program is going to be leaving a lot of money on the table every year.

[MSU01]

Seems like it's overdue. The ticket situation this year has officially veered into ridiculous. Zero new season passes were sold to the public in the offseason. Demand seems like it's pent up with no signs of fading.

Hadn't seen any recent discussion on plans to continue on Stadium Expansion but it feels like it's holding the program back again. Anyone heard any rumors on recent concepts or developments?

I know there was an overarching plan including redoing East stands and open north endzone back when the south endzone was filled in. I just haven't heard any talk about rolling that forward (or anything else like it).

I doubt we'll hear anything official from MSU until the Indoor Practice Facility is completed and opened, at the earliest. I'd have to disagree that the program is being held back by not expanding the stadium, because the two most recent facilities projects (BAC and IPF) won't be used by fans but will continue to have a huge positive impact on the football program itself. My guess: Within the next 10 years we'll have a rebuild of the east side bleachers. North end zone seating won't happen because the BAC is just too close to the field and the amount of seats you can fit in there may not be worth the cost. As with any facilities improvement project, unless a massive donor drops out of the sky and funds the entire thing it won't happen nearly as quickly as we'd like it to.

I think the prior plans always showed a short section of stands in the north endzone. I'd think they would have built the complex roughly where they'd need to to accommodate a short set of stands with a tunnel back to the complex. Guessing stands would come up to roughly window level on the complex or so until they can go higher in the corners. They had basically unlimited room to the north to space the complex so I can't imagine them not factoring in eventual expansion plans on it.

That was just my guess, if you look at the original renderings from the facilities improvement project they definitely wouldn't be able to build the exact same structure that was originally pictured there. To expand stadium capacity I think the more likely direction they'll go is to extend the sideline seating into the corners of the north end zone. Think new east side bleachers that wrap around all the way to the edge of the BAC, that would add way more seats than building a few rows of seating in the north end zone in front of the BAC without blocking its view of the field. I highly doubt their plan is to have the coaches' offices in the fancy new BAC eventually have a view of a bunch of concrete and metal on the back side of a seating structure.

[RKMCMT]

Seems like it's overdue. The ticket situation this year has officially veered into ridiculous. Zero new season passes were sold to the public in the offseason. Demand seems like it's pent up with no signs of fading.

Hadn't seen any recent discussion on plans to continue on Stadium Expansion but it feels like it's holding the program back again. Anyone heard any rumors on recent concepts or developments?

I know there was an overarching plan including redoing East stands and open north endzone back when the south endzone was filled in. I just haven't heard any talk about rolling that forward (or anything else like it).

I doubt we'll hear anything official from MSU until the Indoor Practice Facility is completed and opened, at the earliest. I'd have to disagree that the program is being held back by not expanding the stadium, because the two most recent facilities projects (BAC and IPF) won't be used by fans but will continue to have a huge positive impact on the football program itself. My guess: Within the next 10 years we'll have a rebuild of the east side bleachers. North end zone seating won't happen because the BAC is just too close to the field and the amount of seats you can fit in there may not be worth the cost. As with any facilities improvement project, unless a massive donor drops out of the sky and funds the entire thing it won't happen nearly as quickly as we'd like it to.

I think the prior plans always showed a short section of stands in the north endzone. I'd think they would have built the complex roughly where they'd need to to accommodate a short set of stands with a tunnel back to the complex. Guessing stands would come up to roughly window level on the complex or so until they can go higher in the corners. They had basically unlimited room to the north to space the complex so I can't imagine them not factoring in eventual expansion plans on it.

That was just my guess, if you look at the original renderings from the facilities improvement project they definitely wouldn't be able to build the exact same structure that was originally pictured there. To expand stadium capacity I think the more likely direction they'll go is to extend the sideline seating into the corners of the north end zone. Think new east side bleachers that wrap around all the way to the edge of the BAC, that would add way more seats than building a few rows of seating in the north end zone in front of the BAC without blocking its view of the field. I highly doubt their plan is to have the coaches' offices in the fancy new BAC eventually have a view of a bunch of concrete and metal on the back side of a seating structure.

Yeah, it definitely can't be what was pictured on the 2017 plan. But I feel like it will have to be something to complete the look of the stadium some day. They may opt to do north seats last, but in the grand scheme I can't see it being the plan to just leave all that space between the field and the complex open. And it may make sense to just do it as part of building the corners in. But they may opt to do something with the East stands before any of that. Maybe that would take on the NE corner also