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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by mslacatfan » Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:21 pm

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The portal - which sucks - puts a bigger emphasis on recruiting Montana kids, who, IMO are much less likely to leave. A friend of Marcus Wehr asked him what he would need in NIL money. He said, "a pickle barrel."

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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by BleedingBLue » Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:17 pm

The portal may giveth as well as taketh, but it definitely isn't giving any Sebastian Valdez types to the FCS.



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Re: Valdez in portal

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BleedingBLue wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:17 pm
The portal may giveth as well as taketh, but it definitely isn't giving any Sebastian Valdez types to the FCS.
Was Bryce Sterk not one of the best edges in the FCS when we had him?



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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by AFCAT » Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:28 pm

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:19 pm
BleedingBLue wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:17 pm
The portal may giveth as well as taketh, but it definitely isn't giving any Sebastian Valdez types to the FCS.
Was Bryce Sterk not one of the best edges in the FCS when we had him?
Funny thing about him if that he contacted EWU first to try and go there. EWU didn’t have a scholly available and then MSU came calling and got him. Stroke of luck. I do think getting those type of players are going to be the exception rather than the rule going forward, especially if the Bobcat collective and other local NIL opportunities don’t start getting more generous. I’m going to double my monthly NIL contribution to benefit all the team but I’m only going to purchase the other stuff (shirts, hoodies, etc.) for seniors or Montana kids.


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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:41 pm

As of right now msu has Schmidt, Brott, Black, Korom, Marsh, Jaren Perkins, Sharbono at DT. Schmidt, Brott and Black are known commodities. I believe I saw Korom out there a few times. He’s a JC transfer. Marsh was 2022 Montana GPOY.


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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by BleedingBLue » Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:44 pm

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:19 pm
BleedingBLue wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:17 pm
The portal may giveth as well as taketh, but it definitely isn't giving any Sebastian Valdez types to the FCS.
Was Bryce Sterk not one of the best edges in the FCS when we had him?
He was, but as AFCAT said, it's a different world now.



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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by Camo_Cat » Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:47 pm

BleedingBLue wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:44 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:19 pm
BleedingBLue wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:17 pm
The portal may giveth as well as taketh, but it definitely isn't giving any Sebastian Valdez types to the FCS.
Was Bryce Sterk not one of the best edges in the FCS when we had him?
He was, but as AFCAT said, it's a different world now.
And that was before NIL money...



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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by Catsrgrood » Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:49 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:41 pm
As of right now msu has Schmidt, Brott, Black, Korom, Marsh, Jaren Perkins, Sharbono at DT. Schmidt, Brott and Black are known commodities. I believe I saw Korom out there a few times. He’s a JC transfer. Marsh was 2022 Montana GPOY.
Going to need some DL help this year. We already lost 3 guys off of the 2 deep from graduation, Valdez makes 4.

There is some talent there still, no doubt, but a starter quality transfer or two sure would make me feel a lot better about the DL as a whole.



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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by JohnGotti » Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:52 pm

I agree get use to it. It’s FCS football unfortunately now. It’s all about the money. I’d do the same if I had the opportunity. Go FBS or just landscape we live in now.



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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by AFCAT » Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:58 pm

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I agree get use to it. It’s FCS football unfortunately now. It’s all about the money. I’d do the same if I had the opportunity. Go FBS or just landscape we live in now.
Would going FBS increase the amount of NIL money we can give players?


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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:59 pm

Catsrgrood wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:49 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:41 pm
As of right now msu has Schmidt, Brott, Black, Korom, Marsh, Jaren Perkins, Sharbono at DT. Schmidt, Brott and Black are known commodities. I believe I saw Korom out there a few times. He’s a JC transfer. Marsh was 2022 Montana GPOY.
Going to need some DL help this year. We already lost 3 guys off of the 2 deep from graduation, Valdez makes 4.

There is some talent there still, no doubt, but a starter quality transfer or two sure would make me feel a lot better about the DL as a whole.
Lots of dudes waiting in the wings. The DTs were rotating four this year. I’m really looking forward to seeing how Solano looks this spring at DE. The side with Seymour and Alston will probably be Parsons, Crews, Vigen, Fredericks and maybe Solano. But I think Solano might be a better fit with Grebe and Eiden. He’s a pure pass rusher in their mold but bigger. I think he’s 6-4, 250 now.


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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by Camo_Cat » Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:59 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:58 pm
JohnGotti wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:52 pm
I agree get use to it. It’s FCS football unfortunately now. It’s all about the money. I’d do the same if I had the opportunity. Go FBS or just landscape we live in now.
Would going FBS increase the amount of NIL money we can give players?
No....



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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by JohnGotti » Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:02 pm

Yes absolutely. TV money has its been pointed out many many times. We will get the big rich people to donate too who have no connection to MSU. They’ll be much more excited to have Boise State coming to town then University of Northern Colorado.



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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by AFCAT » Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:07 pm

JohnGotti wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:02 pm
Yes absolutely. TV money has its been pointed out many many times. We will get the big rich people to donate too who have no connection to MSU. They’ll be much more excited to have Boise State coming to town then University of Northern Colorado.
How is the TV money that goes to the league and schools going to also flow to NIL? Rich people with no connection to MSU are going to donate to the MSU NIL to keep the football talent here? That sounds awesome! I can’t wait! I love magic pots of money.


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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by BFcatfan » Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:11 pm

Joe Bobcat wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:00 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:55 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:51 pm
VimSince03 wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:20 pm
Several weeks ago I heard three names that had the potential to earn 6 figure NIL money if they enter the portal: Rush, Omar, Sebastian.

Unfortunately that came true. You can't blame these kids for chasing their dreams...it just sucks.
Yep, you can't blame them $ix figure$ has quite the pulling power but it really does suck. I knew there would be guys jumping into the portal and that Valdez could attract as much attention in the way of $ as almost anybody, but I went into this week feeling confident that he would be back. What gave me that confidence? Well Saturday night I saw him and nodded my head in recognition and gave him a big thumbs up. He actually initiated the conversation and along the way without me asking, said that he would be back next year which I told him was music to my ears. So now hearing that he has entered the portal it's as if the music suddenly stopped as someone scratched the needle across the whole LP (yes I'm old). This one hursts as much as any but good luck Mr. Valdez.
He probably did intend to stay at MSU but someone got in his ear in the last couple days about the NIL money he could make.
Yeah like I said, $ix figure$ has quite the pulling power.
So I don’t have the time to read every thread and every post. But I know I’ve come across the question before on BN, but does anyone have any proof of these so called 6 figure salaries? And second question and maybe it’s a stupid question is if these guys don’t get picked up are they allowed back at MSU? Like I said I don’t read everything on here so please Be gentle 🤣😂


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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by AFCAT » Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:27 pm

BFcatfan wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:11 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:00 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:55 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:51 pm
VimSince03 wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:20 pm
Several weeks ago I heard three names that had the potential to earn 6 figure NIL money if they enter the portal: Rush, Omar, Sebastian.

Unfortunately that came true. You can't blame these kids for chasing their dreams...it just sucks.
Yep, you can't blame them $ix figure$ has quite the pulling power but it really does suck. I knew there would be guys jumping into the portal and that Valdez could attract as much attention in the way of $ as almost anybody, but I went into this week feeling confident that he would be back. What gave me that confidence? Well Saturday night I saw him and nodded my head in recognition and gave him a big thumbs up. He actually initiated the conversation and along the way without me asking, said that he would be back next year which I told him was music to my ears. So now hearing that he has entered the portal it's as if the music suddenly stopped as someone scratched the needle across the whole LP (yes I'm old). This one hursts as much as any but good luck Mr. Valdez.
He probably did intend to stay at MSU but someone got in his ear in the last couple days about the NIL money he could make.
Yeah like I said, $ix figure$ has quite the pulling power.
So I don’t have the time to read every thread and every post. But I know I’ve come across the question before on BN, but does anyone have any proof of these so called 6 figure salaries? And second question and maybe it’s a stupid question is if these guys don’t get picked up are they allowed back at MSU? Like I said I don’t read everything on here so please Be gentle 🤣😂
Players can come back to MSU if they aren’t picked up but, according to Vigen, it probably won’t happen. Look at the schools side, they can’t wait and hope someone returns, they have to recruit a replacement. There has only been one player that has gone in the portal and even remained on the team and that was a kicker. Vigen kept Luke Pawlak on the roster through the playoffs even though he went into the portal before the season ended.


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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by 91catAlum » Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:37 pm

BFcatfan wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:11 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:00 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:55 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:51 pm
VimSince03 wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:20 pm
Several weeks ago I heard three names that had the potential to earn 6 figure NIL money if they enter the portal: Rush, Omar, Sebastian.

Unfortunately that came true. You can't blame these kids for chasing their dreams...it just sucks.
Yep, you can't blame them $ix figure$ has quite the pulling power but it really does suck. I knew there would be guys jumping into the portal and that Valdez could attract as much attention in the way of $ as almost anybody, but I went into this week feeling confident that he would be back. What gave me that confidence? Well Saturday night I saw him and nodded my head in recognition and gave him a big thumbs up. He actually initiated the conversation and along the way without me asking, said that he would be back next year which I told him was music to my ears. So now hearing that he has entered the portal it's as if the music suddenly stopped as someone scratched the needle across the whole LP (yes I'm old). This one hursts as much as any but good luck Mr. Valdez.
He probably did intend to stay at MSU but someone got in his ear in the last couple days about the NIL money he could make.
Yeah like I said, $ix figure$ has quite the pulling power.
So I don’t have the time to read every thread and every post. But I know I’ve come across the question before on BN, but does anyone have any proof of these so called 6 figure salaries? And second question and maybe it’s a stupid question is if these guys don’t get picked up are they allowed back at MSU? Like I said I don’t read everything on here so please Be gentle 🤣😂
Yes, plenty of proof of 6 figure NIL amounts. I put a couple links in another thread, including a tweet from Sam Herder that 3 current ndsu players have already received 6 figure NIL offers from FBS schools. One was 250k.
I'm not gonna go find them for you but there is a thread about portal money.


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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by tetoncat » Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:42 pm

2 thoughts.
I think portal losses hurt more if it is a young starter because means you probably have younger unproven talent behind them. Seniors like Valdez more likely to have backups who have been in system 2 or 3 years.
I think NIL contracts should be public like coaches contracts. That info may help athletes decide if it is really worth it. Can track # who enter portal, land somewhere, and what their benefit is.


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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by tetoncat » Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:44 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:37 pm
BFcatfan wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:11 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:00 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:55 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:51 pm
VimSince03 wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:20 pm
Several weeks ago I heard three names that had the potential to earn 6 figure NIL money if they enter the portal: Rush, Omar, Sebastian.

Unfortunately that came true. You can't blame these kids for chasing their dreams...it just sucks.
Yep, you can't blame them $ix figure$ has quite the pulling power but it really does suck. I knew there would be guys jumping into the portal and that Valdez could attract as much attention in the way of $ as almost anybody, but I went into this week feeling confident that he would be back. What gave me that confidence? Well Saturday night I saw him and nodded my head in recognition and gave him a big thumbs up. He actually initiated the conversation and along the way without me asking, said that he would be back next year which I told him was music to my ears. So now hearing that he has entered the portal it's as if the music suddenly stopped as someone scratched the needle across the whole LP (yes I'm old). This one hursts as much as any but good luck Mr. Valdez.
He probably did intend to stay at MSU but someone got in his ear in the last couple days about the NIL money he could make.
Yeah like I said, $ix figure$ has quite the pulling power.
So I don’t have the time to read every thread and every post. But I know I’ve come across the question before on BN, but does anyone have any proof of these so called 6 figure salaries? And second question and maybe it’s a stupid question is if these guys don’t get picked up are they allowed back at MSU? Like I said I don’t read everything on here so please Be gentle 🤣😂
Yes, plenty of proof of 6 figure NIL amounts. I put a couple links in another thread, including a tweet from Sam Herder that 3 current ndsu players have already received 6 figure NIL offers from FBS schools. One was 250k.
I'm not gonna go find them for you but there is a thread about portal money.
Sam Herder writing that players have offers is not necessarily proof. He writes what he hears.


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Re: Valdez in portal

Post by 91catAlum » Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:49 pm

tetoncat wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:44 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:37 pm
BFcatfan wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:11 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:00 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:55 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:51 pm
VimSince03 wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:20 pm
Several weeks ago I heard three names that had the potential to earn 6 figure NIL money if they enter the portal: Rush, Omar, Sebastian.

Unfortunately that came true. You can't blame these kids for chasing their dreams...it just sucks.
Yep, you can't blame them $ix figure$ has quite the pulling power but it really does suck. I knew there would be guys jumping into the portal and that Valdez could attract as much attention in the way of $ as almost anybody, but I went into this week feeling confident that he would be back. What gave me that confidence? Well Saturday night I saw him and nodded my head in recognition and gave him a big thumbs up. He actually initiated the conversation and along the way without me asking, said that he would be back next year which I told him was music to my ears. So now hearing that he has entered the portal it's as if the music suddenly stopped as someone scratched the needle across the whole LP (yes I'm old). This one hursts as much as any but good luck Mr. Valdez.
He probably did intend to stay at MSU but someone got in his ear in the last couple days about the NIL money he could make.
Yeah like I said, $ix figure$ has quite the pulling power.
So I don’t have the time to read every thread and every post. But I know I’ve come across the question before on BN, but does anyone have any proof of these so called 6 figure salaries? And second question and maybe it’s a stupid question is if these guys don’t get picked up are they allowed back at MSU? Like I said I don’t read everything on here so please Be gentle 🤣😂
Yes, plenty of proof of 6 figure NIL amounts. I put a couple links in another thread, including a tweet from Sam Herder that 3 current ndsu players have already received 6 figure NIL offers from FBS schools. One was 250k.
I'm not gonna go find them for you but there is a thread about portal money.
Sam Herder writing that players have offers is not necessarily proof. He writes what he hears.
It wasn't a rumor tweet, it was an informational tweet and included a link to a media story about the 3 ndsu players. Like I said I posted it in another thread.

I'm not sure why it's so hard for people to believe this stuff. It's not like Bigfoot. There is actually sourced information out there.


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