Offseason Random Stuff - 2023

[coloradocat]

The Tiers of the FCS:

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/arti ... 023-season

Usually Stan gets very little correct, but this isn't to far off. A few things I disagree

W&M being a Frisco or bust tier team. With JMU gone the CAA has to prove itself again and right now I think its the 4th best conference behind BSC, MVFC, and SoCon. It was exposed in the payoffs as such. I'd put Furman in that spot over W&M. They are a seed team at best.

I don't get the confidence in Sac St. They lose both QB's, their best Offensive player (Skattabo), their best Defensive player (Maupu Sp?) and their offensive genius coach. They play @Stanford, @Idaho, vs MSU, @um, @Davis. If they go 3-2 in those and win the rest they get a seed but I think they lose at least 3 and likely 4 of those and are a playoff maybe even bubble team. Not seed tier.

I agree. One very good year from W&M doesn't translate into Frisco-or-bust. They may be a little more assured of a seed than the teams in the next tier but that's where they belong. With Sac State his only real argument for them belonging in the seed tier is that they won the conference the last two years, and he managed to make this statement right after noting everything that got them those two titles. Placing Cal Poly in a tier above EWU is bold as well.

[cats2506]

The Tiers of the FCS:

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/arti ... 023-season

Usually Stan gets very little correct, but this isn't to far off. A few things I disagree

W&M being a Frisco or bust tier team. With JMU gone the CAA has to prove itself again and right now I think its the 4th best conference behind BSC, MVFC, and SoCon. It was exposed in the payoffs as such. I'd put Furman in that spot over W&M. They are a seed team at best.

I don't get the confidence in Sac St. They lose both QB's, their best Offensive player (Skattabo), their best Defensive player (Maupu Sp?) and their offensive genius coach. They play @Stanford, @Idaho, vs MSU, @um, @Davis. If they go 3-2 in those and win the rest they get a seed but I think they lose at least 3 and likely 4 of those and are a playoff maybe even bubble team. Not seed tier.

I would agree that SAC isn't all that, they got by the last few years with favorable schedules.
Also agree that Furman and W&M should be swapped

I agree that SDSU is the clear number one, but don't feel that they are on a level above NDSU and MSU. It just seems like since they beat a down NDSU team, all the talking heads are treating SDSU like the new dynasty NDSU was.

I guess we will find out who they really are on 9/9

[Cledus]

I agree that SDSU is the clear number one, but don't feel that they are on a level above NDSU and MSU. It just seems like since they beat a down NDSU team, all the talking heads are treating SDSU like the new dynasty NDSU was.

Yeah, I think our loss against them looked worse than it was and is being used to anoint and enshrine them.

Those field conditions kneecapped our lateral speed, which was a huge competitive edge for us to that point. To be clear, they were knocking us several yards back off the line and we would have lost anyways, but I don't think we were anywhere near as bad as we showed that day.

[catatac]

I agree that SDSU is the clear number one, but don't feel that they are on a level above NDSU and MSU. It just seems like since they beat a down NDSU team, all the talking heads are treating SDSU like the new dynasty NDSU was.

Yeah, I think our loss against them looked worse than it was and is being used to anoint and enshrine them.

Those field conditions kneecapped our lateral speed, which was a huge competitive edge for us to that point. To be clear, they were knocking us several yards back off the line and we would have lost anyways, but I don't think we were anywhere near as bad as we showed that day.

Did you mainly notice that on their OL vs our DL, or vice versa, or both? Because if both, and if field conditions didn't have much to do with that part of the game, we'll be in serious trouble again in September. Yes we'll be a slightly bigger and stronger on both lines, but so will they. I"d go back and watch the game and judge for myself, but I don't wanna. lol.

[TomCat88]

I agree that SDSU is the clear number one, but don't feel that they are on a level above NDSU and MSU. It just seems like since they beat a down NDSU team, all the talking heads are treating SDSU like the new dynasty NDSU was.

Yeah, I think our loss against them looked worse than it was and is being used to anoint and enshrine them.

Those field conditions kneecapped our lateral speed, which was a huge competitive edge for us to that point. To be clear, they were knocking us several yards back off the line and we would have lost anyways, but I don't think we were anywhere near as bad as we showed that day.

Did you mainly notice that on their OL vs our DL, or vice versa, or both? Because if both, and if field conditions didn't have much to do with that part of the game, we'll be in serious trouble again in September. Yes we'll be a slightly bigger and stronger on both lines, but so will they. I"d go back and watch the game and judge for myself, but I don't wanna. lol.

Don’t mean to barge in on this but I think MSU might’ve been okay on offense. Defensively, it wouldn’t have mattered. MSU has to get better if it’s going to hold SDSU under 30 points. I’m fairly confident MSU will be better offensively, which could be enough.

[TomCat88]

The Tiers of the FCS:

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/arti ... 023-season

Is the Ivy League going to join playoffs?

[Prodigal Cat]

I agree that SDSU is the clear number one, but don't feel that they are on a level above NDSU and MSU. It just seems like since they beat a down NDSU team, all the talking heads are treating SDSU like the new dynasty NDSU was.

Yeah, I think our loss against them looked worse than it was and is being used to anoint and enshrine them.

Those field conditions kneecapped our lateral speed, which was a huge competitive edge for us to that point. To be clear, they were knocking us several yards back off the line and we would have lost anyways, but I don't think we were anywhere near as bad as we showed that day.

Did you mainly notice that on their OL vs our DL, or vice versa, or both? Because if both, and if field conditions didn't have much to do with that part of the game, we'll be in serious trouble again in September. Yes we'll be a slightly bigger and stronger on both lines, but so will they. I"d go back and watch the game and judge for myself, but I don't wanna. lol.

While both Jacks lines were better that day in almost everything a couple things.

Where they had real success was their D tackles on the inside. Perkins is a leader but he and the guards really struggled and were just overmatched size-wise. Luckily that is the one place that the Jacks actually lost talent. That nose tackle that graduated really gave them fits. Normally Tommy would just scramble but they played their run fits perfectly and opted for a lot of single coverage. That's why Clevan had such a good day. Singling the slot is much harder.

On defense I don't know how many times I saw tacklers reaching because they were out of position and really couldn't recover on the ice. As a result Davis broke tackle after tackle. One play they would over run, the next you could see them hesitate because the footing and then it was to late.

[BleedingBLue]

The Tiers of the FCS:

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/arti ... 023-season

Is the Ivy League going to join playoffs?

Not right now. They've talked about it for several years, but the playoffs are in the way of academics.

[Bobcat4Ever]

The Tiers of the FCS:

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/arti ... 023-season

Usually Stan gets very little correct, but this isn't to far off. A few things I disagree

W&M being a Frisco or bust tier team. With JMU gone the CAA has to prove itself again and right now I think its the 4th best conference behind BSC, MVFC, and SoCon. It was exposed in the payoffs as such. I'd put Furman in that spot over W&M. They are a seed team at best.

I don't get the confidence in Sac St. They lose both QB's, their best Offensive player (Skattabo), their best Defensive player (Maupu Sp?) and their offensive genius coach. They play @Stanford, @Idaho, vs MSU, @um, @Davis. If they go 3-2 in those and win the rest they get a seed but I think they lose at least 3 and likely 4 of those and are a playoff maybe even bubble team. Not seed tier.

I would agree that SAC isn't all that, they got by the last few years with favorable schedules.
Also agree that Furman and W&M should be swapped

I agree that SDSU is the clear number one, but don't feel that they are on a level above NDSU and MSU. It just seems like since they beat a down NDSU team, all the talking heads are treating SDSU like the new dynasty NDSU was.

I guess we will find out who they really are on 9/9

SDSU has separated themselves from NDSU, and by extension everyone else, by defeating the Bison 4 straight times, while MSU has lost. SDSU has earned their perch.

[AFCAT]

I’ve seen the Bobcats offer Sophomores in high school but this is crazy.

[Cledus]

I agree that SDSU is the clear number one, but don't feel that they are on a level above NDSU and MSU. It just seems like since they beat a down NDSU team, all the talking heads are treating SDSU like the new dynasty NDSU was.

Yeah, I think our loss against them looked worse than it was and is being used to anoint and enshrine them.

Those field conditions kneecapped our lateral speed, which was a huge competitive edge for us to that point. To be clear, they were knocking us several yards back off the line and we would have lost anyways, but I don't think we were anywhere near as bad as we showed that day.

Did you mainly notice that on their OL vs our DL, or vice versa, or both? Because if both, and if field conditions didn't have much to do with that part of the game, we'll be in serious trouble again in September. Yes we'll be a slightly bigger and stronger on both lines, but so will they. I"d go back and watch the game and judge for myself, but I don't wanna. lol.

I was thinking mainly the push their OL was getting. Offensively, I felt our guys just couldn't make the quick cuts in those field conditions that they were accustomed to making all season up to that point.

[coloradocat]

[CelticCat]

Just because Sac has struggled in the playoffs shouldn't take away their dominance in the the Big Sky. I'm curious to see how they fair with Taylor gone but ask around the Sac State fan-sphere (it's hard to find but it's out there), they think they return a ton of talent and the coaches aren't going to miss a beat. I think it's fair to say their expectations are to get a seed again but not sure that is realistic or not. I think a lot of people are counting them out just because of Taylor, we'll see.

SDSU fans still jab MSU fans about the field conditions. Field conditions are a part of football perhaps more so than any other sport, but great teams can win no matter what and MSU did not handle them well. To say they didn't play a part is naive but also to use it as an excuse is putting some blinders on. That being said SDSU is likely in a tier alone but they haven't had a difference HC since 1996, how much will that factor in? SDSU was basically Sac State for years, having good to great regular season but falling flat in the playoffs until they finally broke through the last few years.

[coloradocat]

Just because Sac has struggled in the playoffs shouldn't take away their dominance in the the Big Sky. I'm curious to see how they fair with Taylor gone but ask around the Sac State fan-sphere (it's hard to find but it's out there), they think they return a ton of talent and the coaches aren't going to miss a beat. I think it's fair to say their expectations are to get a seed again but not sure that is realistic or not. I think a lot of people are counting them out just because of Taylor, we'll see.

SDSU fans still jab MSU fans about the field conditions. Field conditions are a part of football perhaps more so than any other sport, but great teams can win no matter what and MSU did not handle them well. To say they didn't play a part is naive but also to use it as an excuse is putting some blinders on. That being said SDSU is likely in a tier alone but they haven't had a difference HC since 1996, how much will that factor in? SDSU was basically Sac State for years, having good to great regular season but falling flat in the playoffs until they finally broke through the last few years.

I think the bigger hit that Sac takes is that all their star players are gone on offense and the HC is a defensive guy so while the assistants haven't changed much, the top spot has switched sides.

SDSU is right to jab MSU fans that complain about field conditions. It always seemed kind of hypocritical to me to act like conditions had nothing to do with destroying W&M but that it played a significant role against SDSU. Hopefully we go into week 2 healthy and can put on a better showing this time.

When's the first R&R?

[luckyirishguy25]

Just because Sac has struggled in the playoffs shouldn't take away their dominance in the the Big Sky. I'm curious to see how they fair with Taylor gone but ask around the Sac State fan-sphere (it's hard to find but it's out there), they think they return a ton of talent and the coaches aren't going to miss a beat. I think it's fair to say their expectations are to get a seed again but not sure that is realistic or not. I think a lot of people are counting them out just because of Taylor, we'll see.

SDSU fans still jab MSU fans about the field conditions. Field conditions are a part of football perhaps more so than any other sport, but great teams can win no matter what and MSU did not handle them well. To say they didn't play a part is naive but also to use it as an excuse is putting some blinders on. That being said SDSU is likely in a tier alone but they haven't had a difference HC since 1996, how much will that factor in? SDSU was basically Sac State for years, having good to great regular season but falling flat in the playoffs until they finally broke through the last few years.

One thing that was noticeable, especially this year, was Sac States fan base was engaged and has definitely grown and kids that attend Sac are definitely excited about a winning football program. All that goes together combined with the fact that Sac is in a huge market area this could turn into a launching pad for their program. If the support is there I could see Sac continuing to be a dominant program.

[Common Cat]

Just because Sac has struggled in the playoffs shouldn't take away their dominance in the the Big Sky. I'm curious to see how they fair with Taylor gone but ask around the Sac State fan-sphere (it's hard to find but it's out there), they think they return a ton of talent and the coaches aren't going to miss a beat. I think it's fair to say their expectations are to get a seed again but not sure that is realistic or not. I think a lot of people are counting them out just because of Taylor, we'll see.

SDSU fans still jab MSU fans about the field conditions. Field conditions are a part of football perhaps more so than any other sport, but great teams can win no matter what and MSU did not handle them well. To say they didn't play a part is naive but also to use it as an excuse is putting some blinders on. That being said SDSU is likely in a tier alone but they haven't had a difference HC since 1996, how much will that factor in? SDSU was basically Sac State for years, having good to great regular season but falling flat in the playoffs until they finally broke through the last few years.

Sac loses both quarterbacks and Scattebo (probably spelled that wrong) - plus coach Taylor. That’ll be tough. Andy Thompson certainly knows the Big Sky. Can he have a year one like Vigen?

[cats2506]

Just because Sac has struggled in the playoffs shouldn't take away their dominance in the the Big Sky. I'm curious to see how they fair with Taylor gone but ask around the Sac State fan-sphere (it's hard to find but it's out there), they think they return a ton of talent and the coaches aren't going to miss a beat. I think it's fair to say their expectations are to get a seed again but not sure that is realistic or not. I think a lot of people are counting them out just because of Taylor, we'll see.

SDSU fans still jab MSU fans about the field conditions. Field conditions are a part of football perhaps more so than any other sport, but great teams can win no matter what and MSU did not handle them well. To say they didn't play a part is naive but also to use it as an excuse is putting some blinders on. That being said SDSU is likely in a tier alone but they haven't had a difference HC since 1996, how much will that factor in? SDSU was basically Sac State for years, having good to great regular season but falling flat in the playoffs until they finally broke through the last few years.

Sac loses both quarterbacks and Scattebo (probably spelled that wrong) - plus coach Taylor. That’ll be tough. Andy Thompson certainly knows the Big Sky. Can he have a year one like Vigen?

Thought they lost their best LB too, not positive though

[blueandgoldblitz]

Just because Sac has struggled in the playoffs shouldn't take away their dominance in the the Big Sky. I'm curious to see how they fair with Taylor gone but ask around the Sac State fan-sphere (it's hard to find but it's out there), they think they return a ton of talent and the coaches aren't going to miss a beat. I think it's fair to say their expectations are to get a seed again but not sure that is realistic or not. I think a lot of people are counting them out just because of Taylor, we'll see.

SDSU fans still jab MSU fans about the field conditions. Field conditions are a part of football perhaps more so than any other sport, but great teams can win no matter what and MSU did not handle them well. To say they didn't play a part is naive but also to use it as an excuse is putting some blinders on. That being said SDSU is likely in a tier alone but they haven't had a difference HC since 1996, how much will that factor in? SDSU was basically Sac State for years, having good to great regular season but falling flat in the playoffs until they finally broke through the last few years.

Sac loses both quarterbacks and Scattebo (probably spelled that wrong) - plus coach Taylor. That’ll be tough. Andy Thompson certainly knows the Big Sky. Can he have a year one like Vigen?

Thought they lost their best LB too, not positive though

They did. he was Big Sky defensive MVP as well if i remember correctly.

[cats2506]

Just because Sac has struggled in the playoffs shouldn't take away their dominance in the the Big Sky. I'm curious to see how they fair with Taylor gone but ask around the Sac State fan-sphere (it's hard to find but it's out there), they think they return a ton of talent and the coaches aren't going to miss a beat. I think it's fair to say their expectations are to get a seed again but not sure that is realistic or not. I think a lot of people are counting them out just because of Taylor, we'll see.

SDSU fans still jab MSU fans about the field conditions. Field conditions are a part of football perhaps more so than any other sport, but great teams can win no matter what and MSU did not handle them well. To say they didn't play a part is naive but also to use it as an excuse is putting some blinders on. That being said SDSU is likely in a tier alone but they haven't had a difference HC since 1996, how much will that factor in? SDSU was basically Sac State for years, having good to great regular season but falling flat in the playoffs until they finally broke through the last few years.

Sac loses both quarterbacks and Scattebo (probably spelled that wrong) - plus coach Taylor. That’ll be tough. Andy Thompson certainly knows the Big Sky. Can he have a year one like Vigen?

Thought they lost their best LB too, not positive though

They did. he was Big Sky defensive MVP as well if i remember correctly.

Yeah, I don't remember his name but he was a force to be dealt with

[blueandgoldblitz]

Just because Sac has struggled in the playoffs shouldn't take away their dominance in the the Big Sky. I'm curious to see how they fair with Taylor gone but ask around the Sac State fan-sphere (it's hard to find but it's out there), they think they return a ton of talent and the coaches aren't going to miss a beat. I think it's fair to say their expectations are to get a seed again but not sure that is realistic or not. I think a lot of people are counting them out just because of Taylor, we'll see.

SDSU fans still jab MSU fans about the field conditions. Field conditions are a part of football perhaps more so than any other sport, but great teams can win no matter what and MSU did not handle them well. To say they didn't play a part is naive but also to use it as an excuse is putting some blinders on. That being said SDSU is likely in a tier alone but they haven't had a difference HC since 1996, how much will that factor in? SDSU was basically Sac State for years, having good to great regular season but falling flat in the playoffs until they finally broke through the last few years.

Sac loses both quarterbacks and Scattebo (probably spelled that wrong) - plus coach Taylor. That’ll be tough. Andy Thompson certainly knows the Big Sky. Can he have a year one like Vigen?

Thought they lost their best LB too, not positive though

They did. he was Big Sky defensive MVP as well if i remember correctly.

Yeah, I don't remember his name but he was a force to be dealt with

It was killing me so I had to look it up. His name was Marte Mapu