Zac Crews…

[lutecat]

If somebody does have access to those posts that would be very interesting for inquiring minds

Honestly it's not worth the time to read through. Just a bunch of hubris on one poster's part that was a big to-do about little. The tweets have the n word with an "a" not a "er". It's a fact that there's a lot of people of color that call each other a word a white person shouldn't. Several of his tweets did that. With an "a", not an "er". I don't like it but I'm not going to get worked up about it. I don't agree with anyone using that word and I wish people that are of color could see how much faster that word could go away if they gave up on using it. I think the biggest issue was someone calling him out in a tweet for using the b word to describe women. He then calls that person a b word in his response and has laughing emojis.

I read an article back initially where Crews said that there's no good explanation for him doing what he did and that the explanation for what actually happaned doesn't help. So I don't know that I buy the duck story. I mean if that was it, say it. That makes it sound a little less harsh. And honestly if your buddy shoots a bunch of black ducks and you send him an emoji teasing him about being racist it maybe is in bad taste but it's not nearly what people are thinking it meant.

I find it funny how many people are triggered in this thread. Noone has really been over the top in stating their hesitancy(if they are) about him joining the team. But there's a lot of hand-wringing and "oh the audacity" type responses. Classic example of people getting triggered. It's funny how so many people that accuse the "woke crowd" of getting triggered actually get pretty triggered themselves. You know how short this thread would be if people just said whether they thought he should be on the team or not. And just left it at that. (Hypocritical i know since this is a long post that says so much more than just that. Though what i say is very profound. ) I don't care if you're for or against Crews joining the team. We can all have our opinions. But we're weaker as a society when we can't, no refuse, to listen to other people. Civil discourse is becoming a truly lost art. And I appreciate all the people in this thread that have engaged in disagreement calmly and politely.

Lastly I want to say to you @Cataholic, well said. Your initial post in this thread was spot on. I concur. Is this our "you can be my wingman anytime" moment? Your comments on this thread have been well spoken and well said.

[LTown Cat]

This should 100% be something the team decides. Not coaches, not fans……players only.

End debate

[kennethnoisewater]

This should 100% be something the team decides. Not coaches, not fans……players only.

End debate

I think with a public university that has to be aware of its image and what it might accept, MSU itself should have a voice in the decision. I think we trust the character of this team, but imagine if this was about 18 years ago with all the other stuff creeping into the program. A team with some players of questionable moral character can't be making controversial decisions like that. Obviously it's different now, but the administration has to weigh this one too IMO. But I'd agree it's not up to us, and I'd also say if Waded and the powers that be say it's OK, then it's 100% up to the team from there.

[mslacatfan]

Jeez…. Wishing I hadn’t started this thread. Some pretty crazy things being said (on both sides of the debate).

We (both msu and um) have given 2nd chances to players that have done FAR worse then this.

No it’s not ok that he said what he said, but he deserves a 2nd chance.

[LTown Cat]

This should 100% be something the team decides. Not coaches, not fans……players only.

End debate

I think with a public university that has to be aware of its image and what it might accept, MSU itself should have a voice in the decision. I think we trust the character of this team, but imagine if this was about 18 years ago with all the other stuff creeping into the program. A team with some players of questionable moral character can't be making controversial decisions like that. Obviously it's different now, but the administration has to weigh this one too IMO. But I'd agree it's not up to us, and I'd also say if Waded and the powers that be say it's OK, then it's 100% up to the team from there.

I agree.

I think that all parties can be ok with it but if the players on the team (specifically those of color) are not ok with it, then it can't happen.

[wapiti]

Jeez…. Wishing I hadn’t started this thread. Some pretty crazy things being said (on both sides of the debate).

We (both msu and um) have given 2nd chances to players that have done FAR worse then this.

No it’s not ok that he said what he said, but he deserves a 2nd chance.

BINGO!!!

Debate is over!!!

[gtapp]

Jeez…. Wishing I hadn’t started this thread. Some pretty crazy things being said (on both sides of the debate).

We (both msu and um) have given 2nd chances to players that have done FAR worse then this.

No it’s not ok that he said what he said, but he deserves a 2nd chance.

I have not seen many disagree with you. The issue most of us are voicing has nothing to do with the kids character or even what he did. It is the reaction we may or may not get from the rest of the world. Maybe nothing happens and the world is all good. But, it only takes a player or two, a parent or two, a donor or two to start a problem that cannot be contained.

[Hawks86]

"Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!”

[ilovethecats]

Jeez…. Wishing I hadn’t started this thread. Some pretty crazy things being said (on both sides of the debate).

We (both msu and um) have given 2nd chances to players that have done FAR worse then this.

No it’s not ok that he said what he said, but he deserves a 2nd chance.

I have not seen many disagree with you. The issue most of us are voicing has nothing to do with the kids character or even what he did. It is the reaction we may or may not get from the rest of the world. Maybe nothing happens and the world is all good. But, it only takes a player or two, a parent or two, a donor or two to start a problem that cannot be contained.

You're not wrong as anything is possible I suppose. But I think fans tend to make a bigger deal of these unfortunate situations than the schools and players do. I think Crews could have easily been a Griz if they wouldn't have botched it so bad. And I think the "pushback" would have been minimal. Especially considering his indiscretions occurred when he was a junior in high school and not even a member of the team. I think we forget that 99% of the fanbases are not as passionate and know as much about these teams as the members of our message board. I truly believe it would have been a non issue had he been with the Griz right now.

For these same reasons if he does get an opportunity to be a Cat, and I have no clue if that's a possibility, it will be a non-issue. Whether it's for the Cats, the Griz, or any other college, I hope this kid gets an opportunity to play football. I think the publicity alone is enough in my eyes at least to think he's paid his dues and can move on. I imagine nearly everyone else privy to his story will do the same.

[LTown Cat]

"Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!”

I just saw that. I loved the links to Blazing Saddles.

[TomCat88]

Jeez…. Wishing I hadn’t started this thread. Some pretty crazy things being said (on both sides of the debate).

We (both msu and um) have given 2nd chances to players that have done FAR worse then this.

No it’s not ok that he said what he said, but he deserves a 2nd chance.

I have not seen many disagree with you. The issue most of us are voicing has nothing to do with the kids character or even what he did. It is the reaction we may or may not get from the rest of the world. Maybe nothing happens and the world is all good. But, it only takes a player or two, a parent or two, a donor or two to start a problem that cannot be contained.

You're not wrong as anything is possible I suppose. But I think fans tend to make a bigger deal of these unfortunate situations than the schools and players do. I think Crews could have easily been a Griz if they wouldn't have botched it so bad. And I think the "pushback" would have been minimal. Especially considering his indiscretions occurred when he was a junior in high school and not even a member of the team. I think we forget that 99% of the fanbases are not as passionate and know as much about these teams as the members of our message board. I truly believe it would have been a non issue had he been with the Griz right now.

For these same reasons if he does get an opportunity to be a Cat, and I have no clue if that's a possibility, it will be a non-issue. Whether it's for the Cats, the Griz, or any other college, I hope this kid gets an opportunity to play football. I think the publicity alone is enough in my eyes at least to think he's paid his dues and can move on. I imagine nearly everyone else privy to his story will do the same.

Most likely the main issue for him anywhere he goes is his teammates. I would expect the administration, including coaches, would let him know up front if they’d veto an OK from the players.

That would be the process. Step 1: are the administration/coaches/AD okay with it, if the players are? If yes, then Step 2: enroll, and Step 3: try to persuade the players.

[TomCat88]

"Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!”

I just saw that. I loved the links to Blazing Saddles.

Wasn’t that on Ghostbusters, also?

[ibleedblue]

This should 100% be something the team decides. Not coaches, not fans……players only.

End debate

I think with a public university that has to be aware of its image and what it might accept, MSU itself should have a voice in the decision. I think we trust the character of this team, but imagine if this was about 18 years ago with all the other stuff creeping into the program. A team with some players of questionable moral character can't be making controversial decisions like that. Obviously it's different now, but the administration has to weigh this one too IMO. But I'd agree it's not up to us, and I'd also say if Waded and the powers that be say it's OK, then it's 100% up to the team from there.

You are correct when you say Waded should also have a say, and I heard that was a “No” on her end already. A couple other Big Sky schools also passed, EWU being one of them.

[catatac]

If somebody does have access to those posts that would be very interesting for inquiring minds

Honestly it's not worth the time to read through. Just a bunch of hubris on one poster's part that was a big to-do about little. The tweets have the n word with an "a" not a "er". It's a fact that there's a lot of people of color that call each other a word a white person shouldn't. Several of his tweets did that. With an "a", not an "er". I don't like it but I'm not going to get worked up about it. I don't agree with anyone using that word and I wish people that are of color could see how much faster that word could go away if they gave up on using it. I think the biggest issue was someone calling him out in a tweet for using the b word to describe women. He then calls that person a b word in his response and has laughing emojis.

I read an article back initially where Crews said that there's no good explanation for him doing what he did and that the explanation for what actually happaned doesn't help. So I don't know that I buy the duck story. I mean if that was it, say it. That makes it sound a little less harsh. And honestly if your buddy shoots a bunch of black ducks and you send him an emoji teasing him about being racist it maybe is in bad taste but it's not nearly what people are thinking it meant.

I find it funny how many people are triggered in this thread. Noone has really been over the top in stating their hesitancy(if they are) about him joining the team. But there's a lot of hand-wringing and "oh the audacity" type responses. Classic example of people getting triggered. It's funny how so many people that accuse the "woke crowd" of getting triggered actually get pretty triggered themselves. You know how short this thread would be if people just said whether they thought he should be on the team or not. And just left it at that. (Hypocritical i know since this is a long post that says so much more than just that. Though what i say is very profound. ) I don't care if you're for or against Crews joining the team. We can all have our opinions. But we're weaker as a society when we can't, no refuse, to listen to other people. Civil discourse is becoming a truly lost art. And I appreciate all the people in this thread that have engaged in disagreement calmly and politely.

Lastly I want to say to you @Cataholic, well said. Your initial post in this thread was spot on. I concur. Is this our "you can be my wingman anytime" moment? Your comments on this thread have been well spoken and well said.

This is exactly what I was trying to convey in my post above. Yes I understand this has nothing to do with us fans and any decisions coming will be made by the university officials and coaching staff. My point was that as a fan... I would need more information from him in order to determine if I would feel OK rooting for him in the Blue and Gold. If he explained the exact details of the back story here, IMO that would help. I know several posters said that doesn't matter, and it wouldn't do any good, but it would to me. If I believed what you typed above, I could get past the post and chalk it up to a kid making a huge, stupid mistake when he was 17. If I didn't believe that, and decided I thought his post was in reference to killing black people, personally I wouldn't be OK with that.

[rivercat]

If somebody does have access to those posts that would be very interesting for inquiring minds

Honestly it's not worth the time to read through. Just a bunch of hubris on one poster's part that was a big to-do about little. The tweets have the n word with an "a" not a "er". It's a fact that there's a lot of people of color that call each other a word a white person shouldn't. Several of his tweets did that. With an "a", not an "er". I don't like it but I'm not going to get worked up about it. I don't agree with anyone using that word and I wish people that are of color could see how much faster that word could go away if they gave up on using it. I think the biggest issue was someone calling him out in a tweet for using the b word to describe women. He then calls that person a b word in his response and has laughing emojis.

I read an article back initially where Crews said that there's no good explanation for him doing what he did and that the explanation for what actually happaned doesn't help. So I don't know that I buy the duck story. I mean if that was it, say it. That makes it sound a little less harsh. And honestly if your buddy shoots a bunch of black ducks and you send him an emoji teasing him about being racist it maybe is in bad taste but it's not nearly what people are thinking it meant.

I find it funny how many people are triggered in this thread. Noone has really been over the top in stating their hesitancy(if they are) about him joining the team. But there's a lot of hand-wringing and "oh the audacity" type responses. Classic example of people getting triggered. It's funny how so many people that accuse the "woke crowd" of getting triggered actually get pretty triggered themselves. You know how short this thread would be if people just said whether they thought he should be on the team or not. And just left it at that. (Hypocritical i know since this is a long post that says so much more than just that. Though what i say is very profound. ) I don't care if you're for or against Crews joining the team. We can all have our opinions. But we're weaker as a society when we can't, no refuse, to listen to other people. Civil discourse is becoming a truly lost art. And I appreciate all the people in this thread that have engaged in disagreement calmly and politely.

Lastly I want to say to you @Cataholic, well said. Your initial post in this thread was spot on. I concur. Is this our "you can be my wingman anytime" moment? Your comments on this thread have been well spoken and well said.

This is exactly what I was trying to convey in my post above. Yes I understand this has nothing to do with us fans and any decisions coming will be made by the university officials and coaching staff. My point was that as a fan... I would need more information from him in order to determine if I would feel OK rooting for him in the Blue and Gold. If he explained the exact details of the back story here, IMO that would help. I know several posters said that doesn't matter, and it wouldn't do any good, but it would to me. If I believed what you typed above, I could get past the post and chalk it up to a kid making a huge, stupid mistake when he was 17. If I didn't believe that, and decided I thought his post was in reference to killing black people, personally I wouldn't be OK with that.

Dad:. Why in the f... did you shoot him between the eyes with a bb gun.

Me:. I didn't mean to. We were playing bb gun tag.

Dad:. What the f... we're you thinking?

Me:. I don't know.


Dad:. How fast were you going before you lost control?

Me:. No more than 50.

Dad:. On that wash boardy road! What the f... were you thinking?

Me:. I don't know.


Dad:. I found a hole in the shop office, any idea where it came from?

Me:. I was going to clean the 22 and shoot gophers and it went off.

Dad:. You know gun safety, what the f... were you thinking?

Me:. I don't know.


Three personal examples of ****** I did that could have had devastating consequences but by the grace of God. Unfortunately, I could list a few more but won't.


Kids do unexplainable dumb ******.

[84CatGrad]

If somebody does have access to those posts that would be very interesting for inquiring minds

Honestly it's not worth the time to read through. Just a bunch of hubris on one poster's part that was a big to-do about little. The tweets have the n word with an "a" not a "er". It's a fact that there's a lot of people of color that call each other a word a white person shouldn't. Several of his tweets did that. With an "a", not an "er". I don't like it but I'm not going to get worked up about it. I don't agree with anyone using that word and I wish people that are of color could see how much faster that word could go away if they gave up on using it. I think the biggest issue was someone calling him out in a tweet for using the b word to describe women. He then calls that person a b word in his response and has laughing emojis.

I read an article back initially where Crews said that there's no good explanation for him doing what he did and that the explanation for what actually happaned doesn't help. So I don't know that I buy the duck story. I mean if that was it, say it. That makes it sound a little less harsh. And honestly if your buddy shoots a bunch of black ducks and you send him an emoji teasing him about being racist it maybe is in bad taste but it's not nearly what people are thinking it meant.

I find it funny how many people are triggered in this thread. Noone has really been over the top in stating their hesitancy(if they are) about him joining the team. But there's a lot of hand-wringing and "oh the audacity" type responses. Classic example of people getting triggered. It's funny how so many people that accuse the "woke crowd" of getting triggered actually get pretty triggered themselves. You know how short this thread would be if people just said whether they thought he should be on the team or not. And just left it at that. (Hypocritical i know since this is a long post that says so much more than just that. Though what i say is very profound. ) I don't care if you're for or against Crews joining the team. We can all have our opinions. But we're weaker as a society when we can't, no refuse, to listen to other people. Civil discourse is becoming a truly lost art. And I appreciate all the people in this thread that have engaged in disagreement calmly and politely.

Lastly I want to say to you @Cataholic, well said. Your initial post in this thread was spot on. I concur. Is this our "you can be my wingman anytime" moment? Your comments on this thread have been well spoken and well said.

This is exactly what I was trying to convey in my post above. Yes I understand this has nothing to do with us fans and any decisions coming will be made by the university officials and coaching staff. My point was that as a fan... I would need more information from him in order to determine if I would feel OK rooting for him in the Blue and Gold. If he explained the exact details of the back story here, IMO that would help. I know several posters said that doesn't matter, and it wouldn't do any good, but it would to me. If I believed what you typed above, I could get past the post and chalk it up to a kid making a huge, stupid mistake when he was 17. If I didn't believe that, and decided I thought his post was in reference to killing black people, personally I wouldn't be OK with that.

Dad:. Why in the f... did you shoot him between the eyes with a bb gun.

Me:. I didn't mean to. We were playing bb gun tag.

Dad:. What the f... we're you thinking?

Me:. I don't know.


Dad:. How fast were you going before you lost control?

Me:. No more than 50.

Dad:. On that wash boardy road! What the f... were you thinking?

Me:. I don't know.


Dad:. I found a hole in the shop office, any idea where it came from?

Me:. I was going to clean the 22 and shoot gophers and it went off.

Dad:. You know gun safety, what the f... were you thinking?

Me:. I don't know.


Three personal examples of ****** I did that could have had devastating consequences but by the grace of God. Unfortunately, I could list a few more but won't.


Kids do unexplainable dumb ******.

Great comment. I was at MSU from 79-84. I was as mature as a door knob. Oh my the juvenile stunts I pulled. How in the hell I came out of there with a BSEE degree defies all logic. If I was judged by my escapades during that time frame I would have been a ditch digger for my career.

Zac made a mistake. Forgive him and move on.

[BelligerentBobcat]

If somebody does have access to those posts that would be very interesting for inquiring minds

Honestly it's not worth the time to read through. Just a bunch of hubris on one poster's part that was a big to-do about little. The tweets have the n word with an "a" not a "er". It's a fact that there's a lot of people of color that call each other a word a white person shouldn't. Several of his tweets did that. With an "a", not an "er". I don't like it but I'm not going to get worked up about it. I don't agree with anyone using that word and I wish people that are of color could see how much faster that word could go away if they gave up on using it. I think the biggest issue was someone calling him out in a tweet for using the b word to describe women. He then calls that person a b word in his response and has laughing emojis.

I read an article back initially where Crews said that there's no good explanation for him doing what he did and that the explanation for what actually happaned doesn't help. So I don't know that I buy the duck story. I mean if that was it, say it. That makes it sound a little less harsh. And honestly if your buddy shoots a bunch of black ducks and you send him an emoji teasing him about being racist it maybe is in bad taste but it's not nearly what people are thinking it meant.

I find it funny how many people are triggered in this thread. Noone has really been over the top in stating their hesitancy(if they are) about him joining the team. But there's a lot of hand-wringing and "oh the audacity" type responses. Classic example of people getting triggered. It's funny how so many people that accuse the "woke crowd" of getting triggered actually get pretty triggered themselves. You know how short this thread would be if people just said whether they thought he should be on the team or not. And just left it at that. (Hypocritical i know since this is a long post that says so much more than just that. Though what i say is very profound. ) I don't care if you're for or against Crews joining the team. We can all have our opinions. But we're weaker as a society when we can't, no refuse, to listen to other people. Civil discourse is becoming a truly lost art. And I appreciate all the people in this thread that have engaged in disagreement calmly and politely.

Lastly I want to say to you @Cataholic, well said. Your initial post in this thread was spot on. I concur. Is this our "you can be my wingman anytime" moment? Your comments on this thread have been well spoken and well said.

This is exactly what I was trying to convey in my post above. Yes I understand this has nothing to do with us fans and any decisions coming will be made by the university officials and coaching staff. My point was that as a fan... I would need more information from him in order to determine if I would feel OK rooting for him in the Blue and Gold. If he explained the exact details of the back story here, IMO that would help. I know several posters said that doesn't matter, and it wouldn't do any good, but it would to me. If I believed what you typed above, I could get past the post and chalk it up to a kid making a huge, stupid mistake when he was 17. If I didn't believe that, and decided I thought his post was in reference to killing black people, personally I wouldn't be OK with that.

Dad:. Why in the f... did you shoot him between the eyes with a bb gun.

Me:. I didn't mean to. We were playing bb gun tag.

Dad:. What the f... we're you thinking?

Me:. I don't know.


Dad:. How fast were you going before you lost control?

Me:. No more than 50.

Dad:. On that wash boardy road! What the f... were you thinking?

Me:. I don't know.


Dad:. I found a hole in the shop office, any idea where it came from?

Me:. I was going to clean the 22 and shoot gophers and it went off.

Dad:. You know gun safety, what the f... were you thinking?

Me:. I don't know.


Three personal examples of ****** I did that could have had devastating consequences but by the grace of God. Unfortunately, I could list a few more but won't.


Kids do unexplainable dumb ******.

Great comment. I was at MSU from 79-84. I was as mature as a door knob. Oh my the juvenile stunts I pulled. How in the hell I came out of there with a BSEE degree defies all logic. If I was judged by my escapades during that time frame I would have been a ditch digger for my career.

Zac made a mistake. Forgive him and move on.

There is a difference between making a mistake that hurts people, and ones that don’t. Using the above example, if that poster had accidentally shot somebody, he’d have to deal with more than angry words from a dad.

I don’t buy the excuse that a teenager in 2021/2022 doesn’t know what the N word means, implies, or the history of it. We’ve been inundated with it lately. Any socially aware person knows what that word represents. That’s a weak excuse, imo. At the end of the day it really isn’t a huge deal what he says, the bigger deal is how he would fit into a locker room after all this and what possible issues could come from that.

Wherever he plays, there will be backlash because of it. If the coaches decide they’re fine with it, I probably will too.

[tetoncat]

Is there a difference in someone using an electronic media to post something that is then shared by neither original party, versus posting on an open forum that they know or should know can be seen by the general public. I am not really understanding who was hurt by the comment, maybe I don't understand the Venmo messaging, seems like someone had to go out of their way to find this. And before I get jumped on not condoning what was posted.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Is there a difference in someone using an electronic media to post something that is then shared by neither original party, versus posting on an open forum that they know or should know can be seen by the general public. I am not really understanding who was hurt by the comment, maybe I don't understand the Venmo messaging, seems like someone had to go out of their way to find this. And before I get jumped on not condoning what was posted.

Regarding who would be hurt…how many teammates you think are going to like playing with somebody who will use racist slurs as a joke in private? I know if I found out my friends joked around with something that is used as a put down to who/what I am, I wouldn’t enjoy it very much.

[allcat]

Is there a difference in someone using an electronic media to post something that is then shared by neither original party, versus posting on an open forum that they know or should know can be seen by the general public. I am not really understanding who was hurt by the comment, maybe I don't understand the Venmo messaging, seems like someone had to go out of their way to find this. And before I get jumped on not condoning what was posted.

Regarding who would be hurt…how many teammates you think are going to like playing with somebody who will use racist slurs as a joke in private? I know if I found out my friends joked around with something that is used as a put down to who/what I am, I wouldn’t enjoy it very much.

I think you are selling kids short. Put it to them where they actually think about it, and if they see some remorse, they too can move on.