MSU response

[ilovethecats]

here, here..... i'm starting with seat belts.... my body, my choice.....

And I’m gonna drink and drive...my body, my choice..,

How the eff does my not wearing a seat belt risk other peoples' lives?

1) you become a projectile in your vehicle possibly injuring/killing other passengers.
2) you can’t stay behind the wheel to keep your vehicle in control allowing it to collide with other vehicles, pedestrians, cyclists.

I certainly hope people complaining about coronavirus safety measures are also complaining about transportation safety measures.

I don’t know Tom, I was told months ago you couldn’t compare the two. In fact, I was told it was irresponsible to compare Covid to ANYTHING. We’re not even allowed to talk about the huge increase in suicides in this country since this debacle started. It’s insensitive and makes light of Covid.

[coochorama42]

Some facts with a couple comments thrown in.

1). Anyone with a high BMI is vulnerable to this disease, especially if they do not have a low blood pressure. Guys on the O-Line and interior D-Line are almost always a going to be in an elevated risk factor because they are asked to put on mass - and not all of that mass is muscle. If they get the disease, the extra mass can is a strain on the lungs and heart.

2. These players are receiving a college education and a modest stipend for their talents if on scholarship. This is not fair compensation, in my opinion, for the additional risks they'd be assuming for playing in this pandemic while underway.

3. 1/3 of all U.S. cases occurred in July and the U.S. death rate is about 1000 per day. This is not slowing down. Because some people will not agree to shelter-in-place for the public good, we are reliant on a safe vaccine and/or a miracle treatment. This takes much longer that a collective shelter-in-place (in Europe and Asia, far fewer people were considered essential workers during shelter-in-place, so the effort was significantly more effective).

4. All signs are pointing to safe (and hopefully effective) vaccines rolling out late this year/early next year. Once our health care providers are vaccinated, a weighted lottery will likely determine who gets the other first doses. These vaccines are likely going to be similar to other existing vaccines with respect to production methods, so mass production (enough to get all those that want a vaccine one) seems possible early next year. This is a miracle of modern science and engineering and should not be diminished. Students I taught are working on these vaccines and there must be hundreds if not thousands of MSU grads that will have contributed to this.

5. Once vaccines are available, we will be able to hopefully not only have football, but also actually go to games.

Now for my thoughts. If you think that COVID is a political tool and not the deadly virus it is, you should count your blessings. You likely have not personally seen its impact on people. My wife and I have family on the east coast and friends all over the world. My wife has had two extended family members (in their 60s with no co-morbidity factors) die from COVID. A very close friend's wife lost her baby while she had COVID. My wife's uncle and best friend's mother-in-law both died after long fights with cancer. Friends and family members (including children...and my wife in the case of her uncle) could not visit because the risk to nurses and hospice workers were too great.

Stop making this about you and how it inconveniences your life. The mental health and economic impacts are real. We need to demand that the people representing us in DC actually represent us on this issue. But not having college football, etc. is an inconvenience. It sucks, but we will get it back soon. In World War II we all joined together for years to fight a common enemy. In 2020, people refuse to do the same even though it would only take six weeks of shelter-in-place to regain normalcy (with localized flare-ups and shutdowns needed until the vaccine arrived). To paraphrase myself from a previous post, your decisions in April and May ensured that we didn't have football this fall. I was sheltering in place, but far too many people did not. Now we all get to live with the consequences.

[TomCat88]

here, here..... i'm starting with seat belts.... my body, my choice.....

And I’m gonna drink and drive...my body, my choice..,

How the eff does my not wearing a seat belt risk other peoples' lives?

1) you become a projectile in your vehicle possibly injuring/killing other passengers.
2) you can’t stay behind the wheel to keep your vehicle in control allowing it to collide with other vehicles, pedestrians, cyclists.

I certainly hope people complaining about coronavirus safety measures are also complaining about transportation safety measures.

I don’t know Tom, I was told months ago you couldn’t compare the two. In fact, I was told it was irresponsible to compare Covid to ANYTHING. We’re not even allowed to talk about the huge increase in suicides in this country since this debacle started. It’s insensitive and makes light of Covid.

Feel free to talk about the huge increase in suicides. I’m all ears. Unless you’re afraid to.

[TomCat88]

Some facts with a couple comments thrown in.

1). Anyone with a high BMI is vulnerable to this disease, especially if they do not have a low blood pressure. Guys on the O-Line and interior D-Line are almost always a going to be in an elevated risk factor because they are asked to put on mass - and not all of that mass is muscle. If they get the disease, the extra mass can is a strain on the lungs and heart.

2. These players are receiving a college education and a modest stipend for their talents if on scholarship. This is not fair compensation, in my opinion, for the additional risks they'd be assuming for playing in this pandemic while underway.

3. 1/3 of all U.S. cases occurred in July and the U.S. death rate is about 1000 per day. This is not slowing down. Because some people will not agree to shelter-in-place for the public good, we are reliant on a safe vaccine and/or a miracle treatment. This takes much longer that a collective shelter-in-place (in Europe and Asia, far fewer people were considered essential workers during shelter-in-place, so the effort was significantly more effective).

4. All signs are pointing to safe (and hopefully effective) vaccines rolling out late this year/early next year. Once our health care providers are vaccinated, a weighted lottery will likely determine who gets the other first doses. These vaccines are likely going to be similar to other existing vaccines with respect to production methods, so mass production (enough to get all those that want a vaccine one) seems possible early next year. This is a miracle of modern science and engineering and should not be diminished. Students I taught are working on these vaccines and there must be hundreds if not thousands of MSU grads that will have contributed to this.

5. Once vaccines are available, we will be able to hopefully not only have football, but also actually go to games.

Now for my thoughts. If you think that COVID is a political tool and not the deadly virus it is, you should count your blessings. You likely have not personally seen its impact on people. My wife and I have family on the east coast and friends all over the world. My wife has had two extended family members (in their 60s with no co-morbidity factors) die from COVID. A very close friend's wife lost her baby while she had COVID. My wife's uncle and best friend's mother-in-law both died after long fights with cancer. Friends and family members (including children...and my wife in the case of her uncle) could not visit because the risk to nurses and hospice workers were too great.

Stop making this about you and how it inconveniences your life. The mental health and economic impacts are real. We need to demand that the people representing us in DC actually represent us on this issue. But not having college football, etc. is an inconvenience. It sucks, but we will get it back soon. In World War II we all joined together for years to fight a common enemy. In 2020, people refuse to do the same even though it would only take six weeks of shelter-in-place to regain normalcy (with localized flare-ups and shutdowns needed until the vaccine arrived). To paraphrase myself from a previous post, your decisions in April and May ensured that we didn't have football this fall. I was sheltering in place, but far too many people did not. Now we all get to live with the consequences.

Excellent info. Sorry to hear of your family’s losses. Agree with your take. It’s showing signs of receding again. Hopefully we don’t throw another wrench into it.

[ilovethecats]

here, here..... i'm starting with seat belts.... my body, my choice.....

And I’m gonna drink and drive...my body, my choice..,

How the eff does my not wearing a seat belt risk other peoples' lives?

1) you become a projectile in your vehicle possibly injuring/killing other passengers.
2) you can’t stay behind the wheel to keep your vehicle in control allowing it to collide with other vehicles, pedestrians, cyclists.

I certainly hope people complaining about coronavirus safety measures are also complaining about transportation safety measures.

I don’t know Tom, I was told months ago you couldn’t compare the two. In fact, I was told it was irresponsible to compare Covid to ANYTHING. We’re not even allowed to talk about the huge increase in suicides in this country since this debacle started. It’s insensitive and makes light of Covid.

Feel free to talk about the huge increase in suicides. I’m all ears. Unless you’re afraid to.

Not afraid at all. It’s been terrible but predictable.

[TomCat88]

here, here..... i'm starting with seat belts.... my body, my choice.....

And I’m gonna drink and drive...my body, my choice..,

How the eff does my not wearing a seat belt risk other peoples' lives?

1) you become a projectile in your vehicle possibly injuring/killing other passengers.
2) you can’t stay behind the wheel to keep your vehicle in control allowing it to collide with other vehicles, pedestrians, cyclists.

I certainly hope people complaining about coronavirus safety measures are also complaining about transportation safety measures.

I don’t know Tom, I was told months ago you couldn’t compare the two. In fact, I was told it was irresponsible to compare Covid to ANYTHING. We’re not even allowed to talk about the huge increase in suicides in this country since this debacle started. It’s insensitive and makes light of Covid.

Feel free to talk about the huge increase in suicides. I’m all ears. Unless you’re afraid to.

Not afraid at all. It’s been terrible but predictable.

How terrible? I read somewhere they expect a 10% increase. Is that accurate?

[PapaG]

You guys know this means the spring season isn't going to happen either right? The China virus isn't going anywhere and it's constantly going to be used as excuse to cancel everything for the next 18-24 months. It is already happening that way. This is all about control, not public health, and if the public doesn't start pushing back on this more and immediately, things will never be the same. My $0.02.

here, here..... i'm starting with seat belts.... my body, my choice.....

And I’m gonna drink and drive...my body, my choice..,

Those are both codified and are misdemeanors. There is no codified crime for not wearing a mask. I wear one just to keep the Karens and Karls at bay.

In other words, neither analogy works. Also, you can choose to not drive a car if you’d like to do so.

[ilovethecats]

here, here..... i'm starting with seat belts.... my body, my choice.....

And I’m gonna drink and drive...my body, my choice..,

How the eff does my not wearing a seat belt risk other peoples' lives?

1) you become a projectile in your vehicle possibly injuring/killing other passengers.
2) you can’t stay behind the wheel to keep your vehicle in control allowing it to collide with other vehicles, pedestrians, cyclists.

I certainly hope people complaining about coronavirus safety measures are also complaining about transportation safety measures.

I don’t know Tom, I was told months ago you couldn’t compare the two. In fact, I was told it was irresponsible to compare Covid to ANYTHING. We’re not even allowed to talk about the huge increase in suicides in this country since this debacle started. It’s insensitive and makes light of Covid.

Feel free to talk about the huge increase in suicides. I’m all ears. Unless you’re afraid to.

Not afraid at all. It’s been terrible but predictable.

How terrible? I read somewhere they expect a 10% increase. Is that accurate?

Well, like Covid deaths, I maintain all deaths are terrible. So I guess that’s a relative term. But yes, according to several articles recently, suicides and drug overdoses are higher than ever right now. Which in my mind is terrible but predictable.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/suici ... ufferc8947

[catatac]

Some facts with a couple comments thrown in.

1). Anyone with a high BMI is vulnerable to this disease, especially if they do not have a low blood pressure. Guys on the O-Line and interior D-Line are almost always a going to be in an elevated risk factor because they are asked to put on mass - and not all of that mass is muscle. If they get the disease, the extra mass can is a strain on the lungs and heart.

2. These players are receiving a college education and a modest stipend for their talents if on scholarship. This is not fair compensation, in my opinion, for the additional risks they'd be assuming for playing in this pandemic while underway.

3. 1/3 of all U.S. cases occurred in July and the U.S. death rate is about 1000 per day. This is not slowing down. Because some people will not agree to shelter-in-place for the public good, we are reliant on a safe vaccine and/or a miracle treatment. This takes much longer that a collective shelter-in-place (in Europe and Asia, far fewer people were considered essential workers during shelter-in-place, so the effort was significantly more effective).

4. All signs are pointing to safe (and hopefully effective) vaccines rolling out late this year/early next year. Once our health care providers are vaccinated, a weighted lottery will likely determine who gets the other first doses. These vaccines are likely going to be similar to other existing vaccines with respect to production methods, so mass production (enough to get all those that want a vaccine one) seems possible early next year. This is a miracle of modern science and engineering and should not be diminished. Students I taught are working on these vaccines and there must be hundreds if not thousands of MSU grads that will have contributed to this.

5. Once vaccines are available, we will be able to hopefully not only have football, but also actually go to games.

Now for my thoughts. If you think that COVID is a political tool and not the deadly virus it is, you should count your blessings. You likely have not personally seen its impact on people. My wife and I have family on the east coast and friends all over the world. My wife has had two extended family members (in their 60s with no co-morbidity factors) die from COVID. A very close friend's wife lost her baby while she had COVID. My wife's uncle and best friend's mother-in-law both died after long fights with cancer. Friends and family members (including children...and my wife in the case of her uncle) could not visit because the risk to nurses and hospice workers were too great.

Stop making this about you and how it inconveniences your life. The mental health and economic impacts are real. We need to demand that the people representing us in DC actually represent us on this issue. But not having college football, etc. is an inconvenience. It sucks, but we will get it back soon. In World War II we all joined together for years to fight a common enemy. In 2020, people refuse to do the same even though it would only take six weeks of shelter-in-place to regain normalcy (with localized flare-ups and shutdowns needed until the vaccine arrived). To paraphrase myself from a previous post, your decisions in April and May ensured that we didn't have football this fall. I was sheltering in place, but far too many people did not. Now we all get to live with the consequences.

Wow, that is bad luck and sorry to hear about the losses. Personally I know a lot of people... and at this point I know of four people that tested positive and they are all fine. In fact I haven't even heard of any friends of friends, or anyone they know, that have seen any serious cases of this. I suppose that's because my network of friends are mostly in MT. I'm sure there are a lot of examples out there similar to your experience, but it's tough to know how many. Last, I agree that COVID isn't something that someone invented for political gain, and I'm not a subscriber that it was invented in a lab in China in order to bring down the U.S. However, if anyone doesn't believe there are people on the left that are doing everything in their power to leverage this virus and our response to it for political gain... then I don't know what to tell you.

[ilovethecats]

You guys know this means the spring season isn't going to happen either right? The China virus isn't going anywhere and it's constantly going to be used as excuse to cancel everything for the next 18-24 months. It is already happening that way. This is all about control, not public health, and if the public doesn't start pushing back on this more and immediately, things will never be the same. My $0.02.

here, here..... i'm starting with seat belts.... my body, my choice.....

And I’m gonna drink and drive...my body, my choice..,

Those are both codified and are misdemeanors. There is no codified crime for not wearing a mask. I wear one just to keep the Karens and Karls at bay.

In other words, neither analogy works. Also, you can choose to not drive a car if you’d like to do so.

Interesting read regarding masks. Hot button issue for sure.

https://fee.org/articles/europes-top-he ... rce=zapier

[TomCat88]

here, here..... i'm starting with seat belts.... my body, my choice.....

And I’m gonna drink and drive...my body, my choice..,

How the eff does my not wearing a seat belt risk other peoples' lives?

1) you become a projectile in your vehicle possibly injuring/killing other passengers.
2) you can’t stay behind the wheel to keep your vehicle in control allowing it to collide with other vehicles, pedestrians, cyclists.

I certainly hope people complaining about coronavirus safety measures are also complaining about transportation safety measures.

I don’t know Tom, I was told months ago you couldn’t compare the two. In fact, I was told it was irresponsible to compare Covid to ANYTHING. We’re not even allowed to talk about the huge increase in suicides in this country since this debacle started. It’s insensitive and makes light of Covid.

Feel free to talk about the huge increase in suicides. I’m all ears. Unless you’re afraid to.

Not afraid at all. It’s been terrible but predictable.

How terrible? I read somewhere they expect a 10% increase. Is that accurate?

Well, like Covid deaths, I maintain all deaths are terrible. So I guess that’s a relative term. But yes, according to several articles recently, suicides and drug overdoses are higher than ever right now. Which in my mind is terrible but predictable.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/suici ... ufferc8947

Suicide and drug overdose deaths are higher for high school aged kids than Covid deaths for that age group.

Suicide overall is projected to go up by about 5,000 this year.

[nevadacat]

Well.... I have been adamantly against the spring ball idea... but I suppose that it’s better than nothing.

Those first games could be a little interesting with the weather, ha.... but on the flip side, potentially having a nice, later spring weather game for cat-griz could be pretty cool.

When we win for the fifth time in a row, will Hauck’s excuse be that he had prepared for a fall game?

[Montanabob]

Well.... I have been adamantly against the spring ball idea... but I suppose that it’s better than nothing.

Those first games could be a little interesting with the weather, ha.... but on the flip side, potentially having a nice, later spring weather game for cat-griz could be pretty cool.

When we win for the fifth time in a row, will Hauck’s excuse be that he had prepared for a fall game?

But now it is official, the griz haven't beat us in five years.

[Cat_gld]

I love the response to a spring conference season from Choate and players. There's nothing but gloom and doom over in Zootown according to a couple of articles by Speltz and others. The Cats doing everything they can to make the best of a bad situation seems like a good way through this. It's all about what you make it.

[Cataholic]

I love the response to a spring conference season from Choate and players. There's nothing but gloom and doom over in Zootown according to a couple of articles by Speltz and others. The Cats doing everything they can to make the best of a bad situation seems like a good way through this. It's all about what you make it.

[Bobcat4Ever]

Speaking of friends of friends — we have new friends here with close friends (we’ve not met them) who headed out in April to drive their motorhome back to Flathead County from Yuma. He started feeling a little under the weather by the time they got to their summer spot. Two weeks later he succumbed to covid-19. From what I was told, they pretty much isolated in the RV, but it was somehow suspected that he may have picked it up while refueling. People look at me like I’m nuts for using disposable gloves for gassing up, but I don’t miss the occasional gasoline smell and those pump handles must be absolute outdoor Petri dishes, covid or not.

I just learned from my good friend in the Phoenix area, that his newish wife has a niece in Phoenix who has been on a ventilator and off and now on again who is obviously not doing well. She’s in her 30s, apparently some other issues but not expected to be an easy target for covid. She’s been in the hospital for over three weeks. That in itself would be enough to kill me starting from scratch.

Living in a big city is definitely not good compared to rural Montana or Nevada. And I’ll have to say I was truly hoping that like seasonal flu that it would be seasonal and disappear with warm weather. But it’s been up to 117° here and more people are testing positive than ever before. The thing is tough.

[Helcat72]

Some facts with a couple comments thrown in.

1). Anyone with a high BMI is vulnerable to this disease, especially if they do not have a low blood pressure. Guys on the O-Line and interior D-Line are almost always a going to be in an elevated risk factor because they are asked to put on mass - and not all of that mass is muscle. If they get the disease, the extra mass can is a strain on the lungs and heart.

2. These players are receiving a college education and a modest stipend for their talents if on scholarship. This is not fair compensation, in my opinion, for the additional risks they'd be assuming for playing in this pandemic while underway.

3. 1/3 of all U.S. cases occurred in July and the U.S. death rate is about 1000 per day. This is not slowing down. Because some people will not agree to shelter-in-place for the public good, we are reliant on a safe vaccine and/or a miracle treatment. This takes much longer that a collective shelter-in-place (in Europe and Asia, far fewer people were considered essential workers during shelter-in-place, so the effort was significantly more effective).

4. All signs are pointing to safe (and hopefully effective) vaccines rolling out late this year/early next year. Once our health care providers are vaccinated, a weighted lottery will likely determine who gets the other first doses. These vaccines are likely going to be similar to other existing vaccines with respect to production methods, so mass production (enough to get all those that want a vaccine one) seems possible early next year. This is a miracle of modern science and engineering and should not be diminished. Students I taught are working on these vaccines and there must be hundreds if not thousands of MSU grads that will have contributed to this.

5. Once vaccines are available, we will be able to hopefully not only have football, but also actually go to games.

Now for my thoughts. If you think that COVID is a political tool and not the deadly virus it is, you should count your blessings. You likely have not personally seen its impact on people. My wife and I have family on the east coast and friends all over the world. My wife has had two extended family members (in their 60s with no co-morbidity factors) die from COVID. A very close friend's wife lost her baby while she had COVID. My wife's uncle and best friend's mother-in-law both died after long fights with cancer. Friends and family members (including children...and my wife in the case of her uncle) could not visit because the risk to nurses and hospice workers were too great.

Stop making this about you and how it inconveniences your life. The mental health and economic impacts are real. We need to demand that the people representing us in DC actually represent us on this issue. But not having college football, etc. is an inconvenience. It sucks, but we will get it back soon. In World War II we all joined together for years to fight a common enemy. In 2020, people refuse to do the same even though it would only take six weeks of shelter-in-place to regain normalcy (with localized flare-ups and shutdowns needed until the vaccine arrived). To paraphrase myself from a previous post, your decisions in April and May ensured that we didn't have football this fall. I was sheltering in place, but far too many people did not. Now we all get to live with the consequences.

[Montanabob]

Some facts with a couple comments thrown in.

1). Anyone with a high BMI is vulnerable to this disease, especially if they do not have a low blood pressure. Guys on the O-Line and interior D-Line are almost always a going to be in an elevated risk factor because they are asked to put on mass - and not all of that mass is muscle. If they get the disease, the extra mass can is a strain on the lungs and heart.

2. These players are receiving a college education and a modest stipend for their talents if on scholarship. This is not fair compensation, in my opinion, for the additional risks they'd be assuming for playing in this pandemic while underway.

3. 1/3 of all U.S. cases occurred in July and the U.S. death rate is about 1000 per day. This is not slowing down. Because some people will not agree to shelter-in-place for the public good, we are reliant on a safe vaccine and/or a miracle treatment. This takes much longer that a collective shelter-in-place (in Europe and Asia, far fewer people were considered essential workers during shelter-in-place, so the effort was significantly more effective).

4. All signs are pointing to safe (and hopefully effective) vaccines rolling out late this year/early next year. Once our health care providers are vaccinated, a weighted lottery will likely determine who gets the other first doses. These vaccines are likely going to be similar to other existing vaccines with respect to production methods, so mass production (enough to get all those that want a vaccine one) seems possible early next year. This is a miracle of modern science and engineering and should not be diminished. Students I taught are working on these vaccines and there must be hundreds if not thousands of MSU grads that will have contributed to this.

5. Once vaccines are available, we will be able to hopefully not only have football, but also actually go to games.

Now for my thoughts. If you think that COVID is a political tool and not the deadly virus it is, you should count your blessings. You likely have not personally seen its impact on people. My wife and I have family on the east coast and friends all over the world. My wife has had two extended family members (in their 60s with no co-morbidity factors) die from COVID. A very close friend's wife lost her baby while she had COVID. My wife's uncle and best friend's mother-in-law both died after long fights with cancer. Friends and family members (including children...and my wife in the case of her uncle) could not visit because the risk to nurses and hospice workers were too great.

Stop making this about you and how it inconveniences your life. The mental health and economic impacts are real. We need to demand that the people representing us in DC actually represent us on this issue. But not having college football, etc. is an inconvenience. It sucks, but we will get it back soon. In World War II we all joined together for years to fight a common enemy. In 2020, people refuse to do the same even though it would only take six weeks of shelter-in-place to regain normalcy (with localized flare-ups and shutdowns needed until the vaccine arrived). To paraphrase myself from a previous post, your decisions in April and May ensured that we didn't have football this fall. I was sheltering in place, but far too many people did not. Now we all get to live with the consequences.

Just one thing, show me statistics on how many Walmart, Albertsons, home Depot and construction workers were infected? Walmart is the worst possible place to be in with all the common surface touching, lack of proper face mask wearing and idiots. They haven't blinked in the high density traffic. And don't talk about 6 foot spacing, they lined up nut to butt outside with no masks.

[84CatGrad]

You guys know this means the spring season isn't going to happen either right? The China virus isn't going anywhere and it's constantly going to be used as excuse to cancel everything for the next 18-24 months. It is already happening that way. This is all about control, not public health, and if the public doesn't start pushing back on this more and immediately, things will never be the same. My $0.02.

here, here..... i'm starting with seat belts.... my body, my choice.....

And I’m gonna drink and drive...my body, my choice..,

So that's a terrible comparison. If you drink and drive you are risking other peoples' lives. How the eff does my not wearing a seat belt risk other peoples' lives?

Also, I agree with MSUHUNTER. I think teams and conferences that have cancelled the Fall season need to tell the players that they're planning on playing in the Spring, just to offer some false hope to keep them around. This is especially true if other teams decide to play this Fall. If I'm a Senior, I might want to play my last year of eligibility.

If you are drinking and driving you are risking other peoples lives. Totally agree. If you are not wearing a mask in a crowded area you are risking peoples lives. It's the same thing.

[ilovethecats]

Some facts with a couple comments thrown in.

1). Anyone with a high BMI is vulnerable to this disease, especially if they do not have a low blood pressure. Guys on the O-Line and interior D-Line are almost always a going to be in an elevated risk factor because they are asked to put on mass - and not all of that mass is muscle. If they get the disease, the extra mass can is a strain on the lungs and heart.

2. These players are receiving a college education and a modest stipend for their talents if on scholarship. This is not fair compensation, in my opinion, for the additional risks they'd be assuming for playing in this pandemic while underway.

3. 1/3 of all U.S. cases occurred in July and the U.S. death rate is about 1000 per day. This is not slowing down. Because some people will not agree to shelter-in-place for the public good, we are reliant on a safe vaccine and/or a miracle treatment. This takes much longer that a collective shelter-in-place (in Europe and Asia, far fewer people were considered essential workers during shelter-in-place, so the effort was significantly more effective).

4. All signs are pointing to safe (and hopefully effective) vaccines rolling out late this year/early next year. Once our health care providers are vaccinated, a weighted lottery will likely determine who gets the other first doses. These vaccines are likely going to be similar to other existing vaccines with respect to production methods, so mass production (enough to get all those that want a vaccine one) seems possible early next year. This is a miracle of modern science and engineering and should not be diminished. Students I taught are working on these vaccines and there must be hundreds if not thousands of MSU grads that will have contributed to this.

5. Once vaccines are available, we will be able to hopefully not only have football, but also actually go to games.

Now for my thoughts. If you think that COVID is a political tool and not the deadly virus it is, you should count your blessings. You likely have not personally seen its impact on people. My wife and I have family on the east coast and friends all over the world. My wife has had two extended family members (in their 60s with no co-morbidity factors) die from COVID. A very close friend's wife lost her baby while she had COVID. My wife's uncle and best friend's mother-in-law both died after long fights with cancer. Friends and family members (including children...and my wife in the case of her uncle) could not visit because the risk to nurses and hospice workers were too great.

Stop making this about you and how it inconveniences your life. The mental health and economic impacts are real. We need to demand that the people representing us in DC actually represent us on this issue. But not having college football, etc. is an inconvenience. It sucks, but we will get it back soon. In World War II we all joined together for years to fight a common enemy. In 2020, people refuse to do the same even though it would only take six weeks of shelter-in-place to regain normalcy (with localized flare-ups and shutdowns needed until the vaccine arrived). To paraphrase myself from a previous post, your decisions in April and May ensured that we didn't have football this fall. I was sheltering in place, but far too many people did not. Now we all get to live with the consequences.

Just one thing, show me statistics on how many Walmart, Albertsons, home Depot and construction workers were infected? Walmart is the worst possible place to be in with all the common surface touching, lack of proper face mask wearing and idiots. They haven't blinked in the high density traffic. And don't talk about 6 foot spacing, they lined up nut to butt outside with no masks.

Love this. I’ve been asking forever. No real answers. It’s a mess. It’ll stay a mess. I‘m dying to hear what people’s expectations are in terms of the virus to have football in spring?

If people are scared to death now; they’ll be scared to death in April.