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Men's and Women's NCAA tourneys without fans

Post by kmax » Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:00 pm

Wow...that is going to be a weird experience for everyone.

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Post by PapaG » Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:14 pm

Men’s and women’s. I posted it on this board for more visibility. I have tickets to Spokane that thankfully we got directly from the NCAA lottery. Lady Bobcat fans could be impacted greatly, too.


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Post by WalkOn79 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:40 pm

Really sucks! Much of the fun of march madness is the crowds, cheerleaders, personal stories.


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Post by wbtfg » Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:51 pm

I wonder if all games are going to be played in their original scheduled locations. Theoretically, you could put 4 courts in a military airplane hanger and have all the games there.



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This is just stupid.


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Post by PapaG » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:00 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:51 pm
I wonder if all games are going to be played in their original scheduled locations. Theoretically, you could put 4 courts in a military airplane hanger and have all the games there.
I’m just wondering why I can’t drive to attend basketball games in Spokane next week, yet there is zero disruption to the public transit here in Portland with a metro population of over 2.5 million people. If you’ve ever been on a bus or the MAX here, it’s basically a moving germ mobile.


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Post by 91catAlum » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:04 pm

Wow. That's not gonna make the host city arenas happy, they lose all that revenue plus it's too late for them to back out and book something else for next weekend.

Not to mention the cancelled hotels, restaurants, etc etc.
Ouch! Huge hit to all those cities.


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Post by wbtfg » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:04 pm

PapaG wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:00 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:51 pm
I wonder if all games are going to be played in their original scheduled locations. Theoretically, you could put 4 courts in a military airplane hanger and have all the games there.
I’m just wondering why I can’t drive to attend basketball games in Spokane next week, yet there is zero disruption to the public transit here in Portland with a metro population of over 2.5 million people. If you’ve ever been on a bus or the MAX here, it’s basically a moving germ mobile.
There are certainly no shortage of questions that could be asked....no doubt about it.



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Post by Cledus » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:57 pm

PapaG wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:00 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:51 pm
I wonder if all games are going to be played in their original scheduled locations. Theoretically, you could put 4 courts in a military airplane hanger and have all the games there.
I’m just wondering why I can’t drive to attend basketball games in Spokane next week, yet there is zero disruption to the public transit here in Portland with a metro population of over 2.5 million people. If you’ve ever been on a bus or the MAX here, it’s basically a moving germ mobile.
Germs don't have an R0 (R-naught) of 6.7, an incubation period of 14 days, or a case fatality rate of 5.8%.

This spectator ban places a higher value over human life than short-term pleasure, gain, economic activity, etc. It's a sensible precaution.


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Post by wbtfg » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:12 pm

Playing in empty arenas should give an advantage to the winner of the Big Sky tourney, right?



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Post by autocat » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:27 pm

Nonsense, what if I want to go at my own risk, I'll sign a waiver. I can have a whole section to myself



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Post by 91catAlum » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:39 pm

Cledus wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:57 pm
PapaG wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:00 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:51 pm
I wonder if all games are going to be played in their original scheduled locations. Theoretically, you could put 4 courts in a military airplane hanger and have all the games there.
I’m just wondering why I can’t drive to attend basketball games in Spokane next week, yet there is zero disruption to the public transit here in Portland with a metro population of over 2.5 million people. If you’ve ever been on a bus or the MAX here, it’s basically a moving germ mobile.
Germs don't have an R0 (R-naught) of 6.7, an incubation period of 14 days, or a case fatality rate of 5.8%.

This spectator ban places a higher value over human life than short-term pleasure, gain, economic activity, etc. It's a sensible precaution.
Curious where you got 5.8% mortality rate?


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Post by Cledus » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:55 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:39 pm
Cledus wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:57 pm
PapaG wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:00 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:51 pm
I wonder if all games are going to be played in their original scheduled locations. Theoretically, you could put 4 courts in a military airplane hanger and have all the games there.
I’m just wondering why I can’t drive to attend basketball games in Spokane next week, yet there is zero disruption to the public transit here in Portland with a metro population of over 2.5 million people. If you’ve ever been on a bus or the MAX here, it’s basically a moving germ mobile.
Germs don't have an R0 (R-naught) of 6.7, an incubation period of 14 days, or a case fatality rate of 5.8%.

This spectator ban places a higher value over human life than short-term pleasure, gain, economic activity, etc. It's a sensible precaution.
Curious where you got 5.8% mortality rate?
I calculated it myself from the data I found here: Worldometers

Go to the "Closed Cases" section. It's right near the top. 4,627/(4,627+72,867)

The case fatality rate has been climbing all week. It started the week at 5.4%. Compare that with the case fatality rate for the flu, which is 0.1%.

If you want to know more, a guy named Chris Martinson has a channel on YouTube called Peak Prosperity. He's putting out daily updates. He's very good and a trained pathologist. It's the first thing I watch when I get home from work.


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Post by KittieKop » Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:48 pm

Cledus wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:55 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:39 pm
Cledus wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:57 pm
PapaG wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:00 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:51 pm
I wonder if all games are going to be played in their original scheduled locations. Theoretically, you could put 4 courts in a military airplane hanger and have all the games there.
I’m just wondering why I can’t drive to attend basketball games in Spokane next week, yet there is zero disruption to the public transit here in Portland with a metro population of over 2.5 million people. If you’ve ever been on a bus or the MAX here, it’s basically a moving germ mobile.
Germs don't have an R0 (R-naught) of 6.7, an incubation period of 14 days, or a case fatality rate of 5.8%.

This spectator ban places a higher value over human life than short-term pleasure, gain, economic activity, etc. It's a sensible precaution.
Curious where you got 5.8% mortality rate?
I calculated it myself from the data I found here: Worldometers

Go to the "Closed Cases" section. It's right near the top. 4,627/(4,627+72,867)

The case fatality rate has been climbing all week. It started the week at 5.4%. Compare that with the case fatality rate for the flu, which is 0.1%.

If you want to know more, a guy named Chris Martinson has a channel on YouTube called Peak Prosperity. He's putting out daily updates. He's very good and a trained pathologist. It's the first thing I watch when I get home from work.
This is also why people are hoarding hand sanitizer and toilet paper.

Here's another perspective:
https://time.com/5798168/coronavirus-mortality-rate/


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Post by 91catAlum » Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:51 pm

Cledus wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:55 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:39 pm
Cledus wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:57 pm
PapaG wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:00 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:51 pm
I wonder if all games are going to be played in their original scheduled locations. Theoretically, you could put 4 courts in a military airplane hanger and have all the games there.
I’m just wondering why I can’t drive to attend basketball games in Spokane next week, yet there is zero disruption to the public transit here in Portland with a metro population of over 2.5 million people. If you’ve ever been on a bus or the MAX here, it’s basically a moving germ mobile.
Germs don't have an R0 (R-naught) of 6.7, an incubation period of 14 days, or a case fatality rate of 5.8%.

This spectator ban places a higher value over human life than short-term pleasure, gain, economic activity, etc. It's a sensible precaution.
Curious where you got 5.8% mortality rate?
I calculated it myself from the data I found here: Worldometers

Go to the "Closed Cases" section. It's right near the top. 4,627/(4,627+72,867)

The case fatality rate has been climbing all week. It started the week at 5.4%. Compare that with the case fatality rate for the flu, which is 0.1%.

If you want to know more, a guy named Chris Martinson has a channel on YouTube called Peak Prosperity. He's putting out daily updates. He's very good and a trained pathologist. It's the first thing I watch when I get home from work.
That number is way too high from everything I've read. This is from the BBC:

"On Tuesday, the World Health Organization's Director General, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said that "globally, about 3.4% of reported Covid-19 cases have died".

Scientists' estimate of the death rate is lower because not all cases are reported.

On Sunday, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the UK government's "very best assessment" was that the mortality rate was "2% or, likely, lower".

But it depends on a range of factors: your age, sex and general health and the health system you are in."


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Post by 91catAlum » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:00 pm

New York Times: WHO also says the 3.4% estimate is probably high.

"Is 3.4 percent a misleading number? We spoke to a number of experts in epidemiology, and they all agreed that 1 percent was probably more realistic (the W.H.O. has also said the number would probably fall). But they also said evidence about the spread and severity of the disease was still too new and spotty to know for sure"

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Post by Cledus » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:09 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:51 pm
Cledus wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:55 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:39 pm
Cledus wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:57 pm
PapaG wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:00 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:51 pm
I wonder if all games are going to be played in their original scheduled locations. Theoretically, you could put 4 courts in a military airplane hanger and have all the games there.
I’m just wondering why I can’t drive to attend basketball games in Spokane next week, yet there is zero disruption to the public transit here in Portland with a metro population of over 2.5 million people. If you’ve ever been on a bus or the MAX here, it’s basically a moving germ mobile.
Germs don't have an R0 (R-naught) of 6.7, an incubation period of 14 days, or a case fatality rate of 5.8%.

This spectator ban places a higher value over human life than short-term pleasure, gain, economic activity, etc. It's a sensible precaution.
Curious where you got 5.8% mortality rate?
I calculated it myself from the data I found here: Worldometers

Go to the "Closed Cases" section. It's right near the top. 4,627/(4,627+72,867)

The case fatality rate has been climbing all week. It started the week at 5.4%. Compare that with the case fatality rate for the flu, which is 0.1%.

If you want to know more, a guy named Chris Martinson has a channel on YouTube called Peak Prosperity. He's putting out daily updates. He's very good and a trained pathologist. It's the first thing I watch when I get home from work.
That number is way too high from everything I've read. This is from the BBC:

"On Tuesday, the World Health Organization's Director General, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said that "globally, about 3.4% of reported Covid-19 cases have died".

Scientists' estimate of the death rate is lower because not all cases are reported.

On Sunday, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the UK government's "very best assessment" was that the mortality rate was "2% or, likely, lower".

But it depends on a range of factors: your age, sex and general health and the health system you are in."
I used global numbers. Second, he’s counting total cases that are still active where the virus has not yet run it’s course, for better or worse. His denominator is too big. You can’t include people in computing a case fatality rate who have just been diagnosed. That’s what he’s doing.


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Post by 91catAlum » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:04 am

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Cledus wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:09 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:51 pm
Cledus wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:55 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:39 pm
Cledus wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:57 pm
PapaG wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:00 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:51 pm
I wonder if all games are going to be played in their original scheduled locations. Theoretically, you could put 4 courts in a military airplane hanger and have all the games there.
I’m just wondering why I can’t drive to attend basketball games in Spokane next week, yet there is zero disruption to the public transit here in Portland with a metro population of over 2.5 million people. If you’ve ever been on a bus or the MAX here, it’s basically a moving germ mobile.
Germs don't have an R0 (R-naught) of 6.7, an incubation period of 14 days, or a case fatality rate of 5.8%.

This spectator ban places a higher value over human life than short-term pleasure, gain, economic activity, etc. It's a sensible precaution.
Curious where you got 5.8% mortality rate?
I calculated it myself from the data I found here: Worldometers

Go to the "Closed Cases" section. It's right near the top. 4,627/(4,627+72,867)

The case fatality rate has been climbing all week. It started the week at 5.4%. Compare that with the case fatality rate for the flu, which is 0.1%.

If you want to know more, a guy named Chris Martinson has a channel on YouTube called Peak Prosperity. He's putting out daily updates. He's very good and a trained pathologist. It's the first thing I watch when I get home from work.
That number is way too high from everything I've read. This is from the BBC:

"On Tuesday, the World Health Organization's Director General, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said that "globally, about 3.4% of reported Covid-19 cases have died".

Scientists' estimate of the death rate is lower because not all cases are reported.

On Sunday, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the UK government's "very best assessment" was that the mortality rate was "2% or, likely, lower".

But it depends on a range of factors: your age, sex and general health and the health system you are in."
I used global numbers. Second, he’s counting total cases that are still active where the virus has not yet run it’s course, for better or worse. His denominator is too big. You can’t include people in computing a case fatality rate who have just been diagnosed. That’s what he’s doing.
And what about all the people who have symptoms so mild that they don't even go to the doctor or get tested, and thus aren't counted in those numbers??

Your 5.8 number is way overstated and simply not accurate, according to what doctors, scientists, and WHO officials are telling the media. And will only serve to add to the panic and hysteria already happening.


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