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Re: The Eye Test

Post by onceacat » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:08 pm

This is an absurdly reasonable thread. What have you guys done with the normal BN crew?



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Re: The Eye Test

Post by Grizaddict » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:13 pm

Catsrgrood wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:05 pm
Grizaddict wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:32 am

The glaring weakness is again at QB (which in my opinion is the most important offensive position on the field, only the center and QB touch the ball every play). I have said and will continue to say that neither Bauman nor Rovig are helping this offense much. I felt they wouldn’t early on and I haven’t seen a thing that tells me otherwise. They are still very one dimensional. I still think your offense works night and day better with Jonsen or TA running it from the QB position. I think Choate is starting to see that too as he let Jonsen run that final series in OT as opposed to running Rovig back out there. That was a smart move in my opinion. Without TA there I feel your QB play has taken a step back. That guy could spring a TD at any given moment. With Rovig there, that’s been lost. And I don’t think the passing improvements that he supposedly brings to the table outweigh what TA/Jonsen can do.
I agree with most of it, small disagreement with the above.

Cornerback play could be better at times this year and QB play has obviously been mediocre thus far.

D Line is dominant, there was a lot of hype coming into the year that they were going to be great, but after losing 3 very good seniors I was skeptical they’d be as good. Well... they’re better...

LB’s are substantially better than last year, they’ve exceeded my expectations so far.

Safeties are very good, they’re what I expected.

O line is arguably the best in the Big Sky. They’re at or slightly above what I expected.

RB’s are talented and deep. The Cats are leading the Big Sky in rushing yards per game and Ifanse has played a combined 8 quarters out of a possible 24. And Andersen has barely touched the ball this year compared to last year. Who would have predicted this productive of a run game with Andersen and Ifanse really being a pretty small part of it this year? RB’s are exceeding expectations.

WR’s are as good or better than anticipated in my mind. They’ve made some great catches when given the opportunity but would also love some of the 50/50 balls to actually be caught, but their blocking has been huge.

Cornerback? Slightly below expectations, but the #1 guy has yet to play this year and they’re getting some young guys in there, that will pay dividends down the stretch, so this really doesn’t concern me much at this point.

QB is the 800lb gorilla in the room. I’m not near as down on them as some people are, but they both have a ton of room to grow. I’d say they’re about what I was expecting so far. To be honest the expectation was not sky high for me to begin with, either way we were going to be starting a 2nd or 3rd year kid that was going to have some growing pains and hopefully improve as the season goes on. And I think that’s exactly what we’re seeing.

To the stuff I highlighted in the quote, I think Choate is fully aware that Jonsen is playing at a high level and that the offense is producing at a high level when he’s in there. But they literally run one option play with him back there, he’s going to pitch it to the guy in motion, or keep it himself and wait for the hole to open up. It’s been great, but the offense isn’t going to run that one play 50 times a game. 5-10 times and it’s great.

I think the staff is trying to walk the fine line of working those plays in to get some production, scores and keep the defense on its heels, but at the same time, letting Rovig stay in there and work on the pass game and help him develop throughout the season. If he’s not perfect right now, oh well, it hasn’t cost them a game yet and he’s learning. The goal is for him to have improved all season and playing at a higher level by the end of the season and in the playoffs.
You couldn’t ask for a better setup to let a QB learn and develop while getting live game reps. Great D, dominant run game, and a couple guys that are more than capable of coming in and taking snaps here and there to a) keep the defense guessing and create some explosive plays and b) take some pressure off a young qb so they’re not taking 100% of the snaps and having the game totally on their shoulders.
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Re: The Eye Test

Post by 84CatGrad » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:32 pm

iaafan wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:54 am
Agree with everything you said except parts of the QB part. Rovig managed the game really well before his INT. Jonsen took over in OT, because he was killing it prior to that and Miller (using his own eye test) exploited Poly with him. His previous four carries that half went for 39 yards. 13, 10, 7, 9. In that situation (ball on poly 25) Miller was going to call that until it got stopped. Wouldn’t you have done the same?
And, having held Sac St to a zero in their OT possession we could kick a FG to win the game. Thus even if Johnson got stuffed three times, or failed to get a first down at any point, we had a very reasonable chance to win with a FG.



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Re: The Eye Test

Post by utucats » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:44 pm

84CatGrad wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:32 pm
iaafan wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:54 am
Agree with everything you said except parts of the QB part. Rovig managed the game really well before his INT. Jonsen took over in OT, because he was killing it prior to that and Miller (using his own eye test) exploited Poly with him. His previous four carries that half went for 39 yards. 13, 10, 7, 9. In that situation (ball on poly 25) Miller was going to call that until it got stopped. Wouldn’t you have done the same?
And, having held Sac St to a zero in their OT possession we could kick a FG to win the game. Thus even if Johnson got stuffed three times, or failed to get a first down at any point, we had a very reasonable chance to win with a FG.
We won’t be playing any OT against Sac St.


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Re: The Eye Test

Post by Grizaddict » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:46 am

Just one more reason they should just make Jonsen the permanent QB. And that’s per “attempt” not “completion”




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Re: The Eye Test

Post by tdub » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:50 am

Grizaddict wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:46 am
Just one more reason they should just make Jonsen the permanent QB. And that’s per “attempt” not “completion”

Ya, because the running game is even more effective when you become even more one dimensional. I’m sure that stat would hold. Seems legit.


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Re: The Eye Test

Post by Cat4LifeHouseDivided » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:52 am

Grizaddict wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:46 am
Just one more reason they should just make Jonsen the permanent QB. And that’s per “attempt” not “completion”

Sneed is 7.1 per attempt. Guess you need a new qb too.



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Re: The Eye Test

Post by Grizaddict » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:34 am

Cat4LifeHouseDivided wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:52 am
Grizaddict wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:46 am
Just one more reason they should just make Jonsen the permanent QB. And that’s per “attempt” not “completion”

Sneed is 7.1 per attempt. Guess you need a new qb too.
Wrong. He’s at 8 per attempt. He also has a 68% completion percentage, has thrown for 1800 yards already with 15 TDs. And the Griz don’t have a runner averaging 7 ypc. So apples to oranges.



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Re: The Eye Test

Post by RobertoGato » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:50 am

Grizaddict wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:32 am
I had asked in another thread but only got a couple responses, so wanted some thoughts. When you watch the Cats this year (the eye test) what do you see? Is the team better than last year, about the same, hard to say? Have you been underwhelmed or are they exceeding your expectations? Are they exactly where you figured they’d be?

I’ll give it a go. I see a very good defensive front 7 who can stop the run and get pressure on the QB. I think this is an improvement over last year, which was also solid. Seems the backers are flying around better where that was a weakness last year. I see a secondary that gets beat on the big play too often and lets a lot of routes be successful underneath. This may be a step back from last year, but in fairness you’ve been without Filer which has hurt.

I see an offense that is extremely powerful in the rushing attack with a number of different weapons who can hurt you. The offensive line is even better than last year in my opinion and is opening lanes for a great rush attack. That’s why you’ve seen so many different runners have 100 yard games. It’s not so much the backs as it is the O line paving the way. The zone read game is darn near perfect. To do what the cats have done without Ifanse for the most part is impressive and even better than the running attack last year.

The glaring weakness is again at QB (which in my opinion is the most important offensive position on the field, only the center and QB touch the ball every play). I have said and will continue to say that neither Bauman nor Rovig are helping this offense much. I felt they wouldn’t early on and I haven’t seen a thing that tells me otherwise. They are still very one dimensional. I still think your offense works night and day better with Jonsen or TA running it from the QB position. I think Choate is starting to see that too as he let Jonsen run that final series in OT as opposed to running Rovig back out there. That was a smart move in my opinion. Without TA there I feel your QB play has taken a step back. That guy could spring a TD at any given moment. With Rovig there, that’s been lost. And I don’t think the passing improvements that he supposedly brings to the table outweigh what TA/Jonsen can do.

That’s my take. I see a lot of improvements and a better overall team who is still a QB away from a deep playoff run. If they fix that, I see a dangerous team who can compete with the top dogs.

What do you see?
You basically described how I view the team.

The strengths-- front 7 and rushing offense-- got stronger. The major weakness, QB, has remained essentially the same. With Filer back, I could see an improvement to the back end. He would be the final piece in a really, really good defense.

I think the team is best when Jonsen, Ifanse, and Andersen are on the field together. I am guessing we will see more of that the tougher the opponent. Today, for example, I expect to see a lot more of that personnel than we've been seen thus far. Though Ifanse might not be healthy.



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Re: The Eye Test

Post by Long Time Cat » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:54 am

You can prove anything you want with statistics. This is proof that Jonsen is better when Rovig is playing quarterback.
“In the first three games of the season, Jonsen rushed for 17 yards on seven carries. In the three games since Rovig became the starter, Jonsen has racked up 250 yards on 31 carries.“
It seems like the coach made the right decision switching quarterbacks.


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Re: The Eye Test

Post by RobertoGato » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:55 am

Grizaddict wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:44 pm
iaafan wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:54 am
Agree with everything you said except parts of the QB part. Rovig managed the game really well before his INT. Jonsen took over in OT, because he was killing it prior to that and Miller (using his own eye test) exploited Poly with him. His previous four carries that half went for 39 yards. 13, 10, 7, 9. In that situation (ball on poly 25) Miller was going to call that until it got stopped. Wouldn’t you have done the same?
Did you miss the part where I said it was the smartest thing they did. I think they would be extremely smart to go with just him or Andersen moving forward. It is my opinion your current “passing” QBs are holding the offense back.
I spoke to this in my first post, but to reiterate: I think they're allowing Rovig to have more snaps against more beatable teams. The tougher the game, the more I think we will see Jonsen and/or Andersen taking snaps at QB. Rovig or Bauman may or may not be worthy starters in the future. But to find out, they need snaps.



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Re: The Eye Test

Post by BleedingBLue » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:35 pm

Why would we take away any passing threat we have against good teams? That makes zero sense. The second Jonsen passes the ball a couple times there will be 8 guys in the box because Jonsen can't throw. Mixing it up with him and Rovig is why he is so successful running the ball. If we start doing that too often it will get shut down. As good as he has been he isn't TA running the ball.



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Re: The Eye Test

Post by Grizaddict » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:38 pm

RobertoGato wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:50 am
Grizaddict wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:32 am
I had asked in another thread but only got a couple responses, so wanted some thoughts. When you watch the Cats this year (the eye test) what do you see? Is the team better than last year, about the same, hard to say? Have you been underwhelmed or are they exceeding your expectations? Are they exactly where you figured they’d be?

I’ll give it a go. I see a very good defensive front 7 who can stop the run and get pressure on the QB. I think this is an improvement over last year, which was also solid. Seems the backers are flying around better where that was a weakness last year. I see a secondary that gets beat on the big play too often and lets a lot of routes be successful underneath. This may be a step back from last year, but in fairness you’ve been without Filer which has hurt.

I see an offense that is extremely powerful in the rushing attack with a number of different weapons who can hurt you. The offensive line is even better than last year in my opinion and is opening lanes for a great rush attack. That’s why you’ve seen so many different runners have 100 yard games. It’s not so much the backs as it is the O line paving the way. The zone read game is darn near perfect. To do what the cats have done without Ifanse for the most part is impressive and even better than the running attack last year.

The glaring weakness is again at QB (which in my opinion is the most important offensive position on the field, only the center and QB touch the ball every play). I have said and will continue to say that neither Bauman nor Rovig are helping this offense much. I felt they wouldn’t early on and I haven’t seen a thing that tells me otherwise. They are still very one dimensional. I still think your offense works night and day better with Jonsen or TA running it from the QB position. I think Choate is starting to see that too as he let Jonsen run that final series in OT as opposed to running Rovig back out there. That was a smart move in my opinion. Without TA there I feel your QB play has taken a step back. That guy could spring a TD at any given moment. With Rovig there, that’s been lost. And I don’t think the passing improvements that he supposedly brings to the table outweigh what TA/Jonsen can do.

That’s my take. I see a lot of improvements and a better overall team who is still a QB away from a deep playoff run. If they fix that, I see a dangerous team who can compete with the top dogs.

What do you see?
You basically described how I view the team.

The strengths-- front 7 and rushing offense-- got stronger. The major weakness, QB, has remained essentially the same. With Filer back, I could see an improvement to the back end. He would be the final piece in a really, really good defense.

I think the team is best when Jonsen, Ifanse, and Andersen are on the field together. I am guessing we will see more of that the tougher the opponent. Today, for example, I expect to see a lot more of that personnel than we've been seen thus far. Though Ifanse might not be healthy.
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Re: The Eye Test

Post by Grizaddict » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:40 pm

Long Time Cat wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:54 am
You can prove anything you want with statistics. This is proof that Jonsen is better when Rovig is playing quarterback.
“In the first three games of the season, Jonsen rushed for 17 yards on seven carries. In the three games since Rovig became the starter, Jonsen has racked up 250 yards on 31 carries.“
It seems like the coach made the right decision switching quarterbacks.
Or quadrupling Jonsen’s carries haha! That helps a lot!



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Re: The Eye Test

Post by catsrback76 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:48 pm

Grizaddict wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:40 pm
Long Time Cat wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:54 am
You can prove anything you want with statistics. This is proof that Jonsen is better when Rovig is playing quarterback.
“In the first three games of the season, Jonsen rushed for 17 yards on seven carries. In the three games since Rovig became the starter, Jonsen has racked up 250 yards on 31 carries.“
It seems like the coach made the right decision switching quarterbacks.
Or quadrupling Jonsen’s carries haha! That helps a lot!
Hey, for the eye test, go to Plutotv.com channel 530 and watch Cat-griz again! 8) =D^ It's on right now!



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Re: The Eye Test

Post by catsrback76 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:49 pm

Oh, and the griz are leading... :lol:



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Re: The Eye Test

Post by Grizaddict » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:04 pm

catsrback76 wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:48 pm
Grizaddict wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:40 pm
Long Time Cat wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:54 am
You can prove anything you want with statistics. This is proof that Jonsen is better when Rovig is playing quarterback.
“In the first three games of the season, Jonsen rushed for 17 yards on seven carries. In the three games since Rovig became the starter, Jonsen has racked up 250 yards on 31 carries.“
It seems like the coach made the right decision switching quarterbacks.
Or quadrupling Jonsen’s carries haha! That helps a lot!
Hey, for the eye test, go to Plutotv.com channel 530 and watch Cat-griz again! 8) =D^ It's on right now!
I don’t focus on the past. If i did I’d keep pointing to that 16 wins in a row the Griz had. Why do that right.



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Re: The Eye Test

Post by catsrback76 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:22 pm

Grizaddict wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:04 pm
catsrback76 wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:48 pm
Grizaddict wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:40 pm
Long Time Cat wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:54 am
You can prove anything you want with statistics. This is proof that Jonsen is better when Rovig is playing quarterback.
“In the first three games of the season, Jonsen rushed for 17 yards on seven carries. In the three games since Rovig became the starter, Jonsen has racked up 250 yards on 31 carries.“
It seems like the coach made the right decision switching quarterbacks.
Or quadrupling Jonsen’s carries haha! That helps a lot!
Hey, for the eye test, go to Plutotv.com channel 530 and watch Cat-griz again! 8) =D^ It's on right now!
I don’t focus on the past. If i did I’d keep pointing to that 16 wins in a row the Griz had. Why do that right.
:lol: It's still on! You're still leading... :lol:



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Re: The Eye Test

Post by catsrback76 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:23 pm

And according to the eye test...you shoulda won!



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Re: The Eye Test

Post by FTG06' » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:38 pm

I'm still waiting for the play where TJ or TA take the snap and throw a bomb down the seam for 6.


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