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Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:27 pm
I was a huge Ash supporter and I was not happy he was let go. Fast forward 3 yers and I love that our coach is Choate. I think he is doing it the right way and I think this years team will be very good. It takes time to build a program the right way and you will have problems along the way. In this day and age players will always move on. I like our direction and I think he improved the coaching staff and the team this year. Every year should be better!
I couldn't disagree much more on Ash. Coach Ash was a poor head football coach in my opinion, despite his ability to run a clean program & his uncanny ability to amass wins in meaningless games early in the season.
Choate, on the other hand, is a very good head football coach & leader of young men. We are all blessed to have him at the helm. The biggest obstacle to Choate's program will be overcoming the loss of TG. I'm supporting him 100% on this, but overcoming this will be neither easy nor guaranteed.
Holy ****** you're a broken record... We get it, you like juggling Ty's balls....
Bahaha...touche. It's funny, nobody in this thread compared choate to ash, except to say (gtapp) that they were a fan of both coaches. That's kind of where i come down too, I like it when the bobcats win, so whomever can make that happen I like. Funny how FTG and a few others still feel the need to run coach ash into the ground, though. An argument that's been heard 1k times on this board, everybody knows their position, and everyone else's position, but they won't let it go. Like Rob beat up their dog, or something, which i'm sure he didn't because he's a good human being. Every coach has strengths, and all have flaws (except maybe Saban). Im excited about our current direction, and I appreciate the 70 wins ash had here.
I think a few Ash apologists are quick to point out any flaws the current staff may have because they are still sad about the departure of the choir boy. For this reason, it becomes important to remind them where we were headed.
Ash was an ok coach at best. If Choate had McGhee, Akpla, Belskin, Minter, Owens, Schreibis, Daly, Kirk, Prukop, Shawn Johnson etc we’d have done something really special.
Ash was a good guy but being nice doesn’t guarantee you a job in a performance based position. I think he was given more than enough time to prove himself and he proved that his ceiling was beating cupcakes and getting beaten like a cupcake when facing real talent.
Here’s hoping Choate’s ceiling is much higher.
And did all that talent just conjure itself from thin air? Nobody is arguing the change shouldn't have been made, there's a couple of you that need to remind us that you really hated that damn Ash, any chance you get. And remember, I was defending choate in this thread about 2 of his prized wr recruits leaving 1 year in. Remember how much you guys would bitch about "retention" when a kid would leave before? Your lack of self-awareness is practically breathtaking. Whenever someone dares criticize anything this coach does, you insist on comparing him to the last one, yet none of the "ash apologists," as you call them, do the same. And the "beating up on cupcakes" thing is nonsense. Since we're doing this, again, because god only knows why, how many wins over playoff teams has choate had so far? 1? Incarnate word this year, right, a 6-win qualifier IIRC. His teams have played well in cat griz, no doubt about it, but those have also been mediocre griz teams. I'm not saying any of this to discount or discredit choate's talent, I'm a believer after that late season run, but merely to point out the stunning hypocrisy in your argument.
I’ll give Ash credit for recruiting talent but he started off with a winner.
Kramer’s last season was an 8-5 finish. When you realize what Ash walked into I’m not sure it’s impressive that it took 4 seasons to turn 8 wins into the playoffs. Kramer had us gaining ground and we were trending up when he got the boot. Compare that to what Ash left Choate.
I also don’t recall anyone, especially myself, stating that we hated Ash. Ash was an incredibly nice man but this isn’t an exercise in likability. Players who knew that their potential was much higher than what they achieved would come forward just to be shouted down by the Ash crowd. How about DM? Does anyone remember how that ended? One of the greatest QBs in the history of MSU ended his career at odds with Ash. Even the players that are leaving early now have better things to say about Choate then many players who graduated under Ash.
Players want to win and they know the program better than anyone on here ever could. If you want to know the state of our program talk to the players. When guys like JP and Newell graduated they expressed regret that they couldn’t play another season or two to be part of what they knew Choate was building. That’s all I need to know. Those boys played for both coaches. You don’t have to be that great at reading the tea leaves to pickup on whether they think the coaching change was the right move.
One player leaving doesn’t amount to a thing. All programs experience some turnover and we’ve been dealt a bum hand when it comes to the QB position and yet look at what we’ve still accomplished. When Choate finds himself a QB whose even half of what McGhee or Lulay was we are going to be one hell of a football team.
You guys act like you are doing Choate a favor by acknowledging what is right in front of your face. We are improving at a steady pace and although Choate isn’t beating the powerhouse teams yet I can point to instances where we atleast competed which is something the last staff rarely did.
Last thing, this is a fan site. Comparing our current staff with the last one is about the most natural damn thing a group of fans could do and yet the mere mention of Ash enrages many of you. Why? For someone that is so “self aware” why is it that the mention of Ash sends you into such a free fall. If the comparison wasn’t so obviously pro Choate maybe you could deal with examining the details. You get defensive because you were wrong and instead of just admitting it and jumping on board you have to get pissy when someone points out the obvious. In all fairness to you Goldstone, you are one of the better Ash men
but some on here look for every reason to criticize Choate because they can’t deal with the fact that the choir boy’s exit was good for the program.