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Re: Quiet Phase

Post by cat_stache_fever » Tue May 18, 2010 4:03 pm

jagur1 wrote:
cat_stache_fever wrote:
whitetrashgriz wrote:
cat_stache_fever wrote:. also, i don't believe the ones buying season tickets are going to be the ones purchasing suites. these suites will attract businesses and "loaded" alumni/boosters before the casual season ticket holder.
do you really believe that these "loaded" alumni aren't current ticket owners? i know of several businesses that are already on the unofficial waiting list and you are correct...they are businesses. and these businesses are owned by these "loaded" alumni. and some of these businesses aren't even owned by amuni, but rather wealthy locals who already have season tickets but are tired of cramming 40 people into a tiny box seat like they have had to every other year. i can say with some assurance that many of the people who are intending on buying these boxes when they are made are people who already are boosters, already writing checks, already buying season tickets, and in some cases already have boxes but would like newer and bigger ones. like i said, i would be fine if they choose to get started on the suites. however, if the team doesn't win and make playoff runs...it's not going to make a bit of difference. :idea:
i still don't believe those boxes would be empty even if they broke ground tomorrow and the cats won 3 games this year. true, there would be empty seats in the stands, but i still think "luxury sky-suites" would be occupied and making money. if i'm writing a huge check to obtain a suite, i'm gonna be at every game taking advantage of the perks no matter what the cats are doing on the field. no burn intended, but i don't believe people purchasing suites at bobcat stadium are your 9 to 5, joe schmoe bobcat fan. they're there for something else besides just football.

two things: do you honestly believe that this program isn't primed for multiple playoff runs, starting this year or next?? and, even if you don't believe the cats are on the cusp, how does any stadium improvement that will make money hurt the program??

i understand the common fear of building sky-suites, expanding the stadium and watching the cats win 5 games a year in front of 5,000 people. that would suck. perhaps i'm too optimistic about our cats, but i think MSU football's best days are still ahead, starting with sky-suites. hopefully those writing the checks are as hopeful as i am.
I disagree. High end money is always the first to jump ship. True They may keep paying for the Box but they won't go to the game or bother to give the tickets away. I'm under the impression that most of the boxes will be bought by banks, dealerships, law firms ect from the Bozeman area.
i agree with that. and they should be. i just don't predict the doom and gloom that typical bobcat fans envision. i absolutely believe Ash has this program on the verge of something big. i make reference to this often, but i think the perfect storm is brewing, ala UM of the mid-90s. now that the economy seems to be on the up and up(depending on your perspective) right now seems to be a perfect opportunity to strike and get those damn things built.


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Re: Quiet Phase

Post by whitetrashgriz » Tue May 18, 2010 4:09 pm

jagur1 wrote: I disagree. High end money is always the first to jump ship. True They may keep paying for the Box but they won't go to the game or bother to give the tickets away. I'm under the impression that most of the boxes will be bought by banks, dealerships, law firms ect from the Bozeman area.
i agree jag. i mentioned the same in my other thread.i also agree about the impression of who is purchasing these boxes. i have heard much of the same. however, many of the banks, firms, and dealerships that are prepared to pay for these boxes already employ and are owned by people who already have boxes or at the very least season tickets. that was my only point. it's not like if we build these boxes we're going to get a whole new fanbase. we are simply going to move the fans who already have season tickets from their seats into their new boxes! the only thing that will fill the seats and the boxes is wins and playoff runs.


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Re: Quiet Phase

Post by CARDIAC_CATS » Tue May 18, 2010 4:17 pm

As the Grizzlies have proved.

"Build it and they will come"



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Re: Quiet Phase

Post by whitetrashgriz » Tue May 18, 2010 4:23 pm

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:As the Grizzlies have proved.

"Build it and they will come"
OR......

win, win, win, win, beat your rivals nearly 20 times straight, win, win, win, make the playoffs, win, win, keep making the playoffs, win, win, win a national championship, win, win, win, never miss the playoffs ever, win, win, win, win, win another national championship, win, win, win, beat your rivals over and over, win, make national title appearances, win, win, win........ :D

but i'm sure that didn't have anything to do with it. people probably just wanted to see the pretty bleachers and cozy suites. :wink:


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Re: Quiet Phase

Post by cat_stache_fever » Tue May 18, 2010 4:30 pm

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cat_stache_fever wrote: i still don't believe those boxes would be empty even if they broke ground tomorrow and the cats won 3 games this year. true, there would be empty seats in the stands, but i still think "luxury sky-suites" would be occupied and making money. if i'm writing a huge check to obtain a suite, i'm gonna be at every game taking advantage of the perks no matter what the cats are doing on the field. no burn intended, but i don't believe people purchasing suites at bobcat stadium are your 9 to 5, joe schmoe bobcat fan. they're there for something else besides just football.

two things: do you honestly believe that this program isn't primed for multiple playoff runs, starting this year or next?? and, even if you don't believe the cats are on the cusp, how does any stadium improvement that will make money hurt the program??

i understand the common fear of building sky-suites, expanding the stadium and watching the cats win 5 games a year in front of 5,000 people. that would suck. perhaps i'm too optimistic about our cats, but i think MSU football's best days are still ahead, starting with sky-suites. hopefully those writing the checks are as hopeful as i am.
first, i never said that the suites would be empty. although, on that topic i do think that if the team starts really struggling they would be empty. i have seen it before so there is no reason to think it won't happen again. what i said is currently we are not even close to filling the seats we have. but many of the people doing their part to fill these seats are the boosters and other locals who are currently waiting for these boxes. so what if these boxes get built, these boosters and other leave their seats for the boxes, and the cats continue to miss the playoffs? i have been fortunate to spend a lot of times in the boxes we currently have (not mine but i'm smart enough to be friends with the right people :D ) and i can say for fact that when the teams are struggling some of these guys are the first fans to find other things to do. there have been times up there where you just walk by empty box after empty box. other times they just let friends and coworkers use them. all i'm saying is building the boxes would be fine, but i just don't see the demand for them right now as the product on the field doesn't even come close to filling the stands or boxes we currently have. i liked gtapps idea. make what we have right now better. it might not mean more seats or even the suites, but there are certainly improvements that could be made.
i have pretty awesome seats and i have ZERO plans to buy a suite. i would assume that is the exact same sediment of most fans in section 115. i think there is a differing mentality of someone who enjoys enduring the elements and someone who would buy a suite. i actually believe those who would buy suites right now are more often represented by empty seats rather than someone chomping at the bit to dump their season tickets to make the "sweet" upgrade. the new suites will have little impact on season ticket sales, IMHO.

also, (more beating of a dead horse)i honestly believe it's not the product on the field that is totally hurting attendance. where is attendance the worst? say it with me: student section. if the braintrust would abolish the stupid-on-steroids tailgate rule we'd all have a merry christmas.

whitetrash, you don't think new sky-boxes could lure a potential recruit from another BSC rival?? i'm not gonna speak for you, but i was a dumbass when i was 18; distracted by shiny new things.


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Re: Quiet Phase

Post by whitetrashgriz » Tue May 18, 2010 5:01 pm

sure having suites will never HURT recruiting. but i also don't think if a kid is choosing between us and say eastern washington that he'll pick us because we have new suites regardless if we win 6 games and they win 12! i'm not bashing the team. i'm just stating a fact. winning brings fans of all ages into the stadium. students and adults alike. so while you think the main issue is the students, and i don't entirely disagree, i have also seen plenty of empty seats on the booster side as well. and even the empty boxes that we have right now. and i'm not saying that everyone that has great seats right now will jump ship when the suites are built. let's be honest, most of us don't have that choice. i love my seats too just like you. but i know that if someone came up to me and said, "here, have my box" i'd leave my seats in a flash. that is my only point. i know many of the people who are waiting for these boxes to be built because they are already on the list. and of the people that i know, all of them are already season ticket holders. so, if this team was always really dominating on the field, this wouldn't be an issue because then there would be a demand for those seats being vacated. however, if the team fails to produce, all we'll have is more empty seats than we do right now.


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Post by cat_stache_fever » Tue May 18, 2010 5:11 pm

whitetrashgriz wrote:sure having suites will never HURT recruiting. but i also don't think if a kid is choosing between us and say eastern washington that he'll pick us because we have new suites regardless if we win 6 games and they win 12! i'm not bashing the team. i'm just stating a fact. winning brings fans of all ages into the stadium. students and adults alike. so while you think the main issue is the students, and i don't entirely disagree, i have also seen plenty of empty seats on the booster side as well. and even the empty boxes that we have right now. and i'm not saying that everyone that has great seats right now will jump ship when the suites are built. let's be honest, most of us don't have that choice. i love my seats too just like you. but i know that if someone came up to me and said, "here, have my box" i'd leave my seats in a flash. that is my only point. i know many of the people who are waiting for these boxes to be built because they are already on the list. and of the people that i know, all of them are already season ticket holders. so, if this team was always really dominating on the field, this wouldn't be an issue because then there would be a demand for those seats being vacated. however, if the team fails to produce, all we'll have is more empty seats than we do right now.
our new skyboxes will no doubt be more appealing than red turf!!!
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Re: Quiet Phase

Post by tetoncat » Tue May 18, 2010 5:20 pm

my guess is they are going to wait for this program to start winning
What are we on a 8 year winning season streak. second best record in the conference over that time I believe. If we are only going to get fans is we go 10-2 every year and always win the conference it is never going to get done. i am not sure what you expect as far as a winning program. I would say we have one. Can it get better, yes. One thing to remember though is the griz are not going away. If we take another step forward and get even with them record wise for a few years, I still don't expect them to fall. There are also other teams in the conference that want to win just as bad as us.

the other thing you forget is that the griz had not beaten us 20 years in a row and dominated the conference when the Wa Griz was first built and upgraded. They have vision, it helped turn the program around along with numerous other things and has continued to be a vital part of their recruiting and home field advantage. Add to that good marketing, a good product and they have been able to continue the upgrades. We started with the turf and need to continue some efforts every few years to keep momentum going and help our teams take the next step.


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Re: Quiet Phase

Post by whitetrashgriz » Tue May 18, 2010 6:08 pm

tetoncat wrote:
my guess is they are going to wait for this program to start winning
What are we on a 8 year winning season streak. second best record in the conference over that time I believe. If we are only going to get fans is we go 10-2 every year and always win the conference it is never going to get done. i am not sure what you expect as far as a winning program. I would say we have one. Can it get better, yes. One thing to remember though is the griz are not going away. If we take another step forward and get even with them record wise for a few years, I still don't expect them to fall. There are also other teams in the conference that want to win just as bad as us.

the other thing you forget is that the griz had not beaten us 20 years in a row and dominated the conference when the Wa Griz was first built and upgraded. They have vision, it helped turn the program around along with numerous other things and has continued to be a vital part of their recruiting and home field advantage. Add to that good marketing, a good product and they have been able to continue the upgrades. We started with the turf and need to continue some efforts every few years to keep momentum going and help our teams take the next step.
not disagreeing with you. but the "winning" that we're doing now obviously isn't getting it done. we have failed to make the playoffs and failed to beat the griz in the recent past. our stands are noticably empty in large patches, and nothing can change that but MORE winning. guess i should have said "more" in my origianl post to spare this confusion. i enjoy our teams progress. i enjoy watching them. and i'm aware of their winning seasons the last 8 years. that's all great. but expanding the stadium isn't for guys like you and me who clearly are more die-hard than most. it's for everyone else. the people who aren't aware of all the neat little stats we can dig up. all many of them know is our team is hit or miss, we havn't made the playoffs in a while, we can't beat the griz, our seats are barely 3/4 full, and our tailgating leaves much to be desired. if people didn't share some or all of these thoughts then why the heck can't we fill the stands? more winning. more beating the griz. and more playoffs is the only solution.


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Re: Quiet Phase

Post by TomCat88 » Tue May 18, 2010 8:04 pm

I think the attendance MSU draws is decent. Could it be better? Of course, but it's good. Most games just have a that student gap in the NW corner, but other than that the place is full and ranks in the top 20 every year despite not making the playoffs. You have to think that a solid playoff run would bump that up by 1,000 to 2,000 per year and fill in the corner.

The focus right now should be on making the playoffs, not winning the conference or beating the Griz. Doing that just sets you up for failure. A couple playoff appearances in the next 3 years will continue to lay the foundation.

I agree with gtapp that the sky suites and other enhancements will make a big difference in more ways than just bringing in revenue. Having a big rack of sky suites on both sides will complete the look of the stadium, which will draw in more fans and players. It will also help the crowd noise and the PA/music sound.

Make the playoffs regularly and enhance the stadium will do a lot in terms of bringing in new fans.


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Post by GrizinWashington » Tue May 18, 2010 11:37 pm

So, what IS the status on the skyboxes? I mean, I know it's still in the "quiet phase" in which they're searching for the big donors to get most of the money committed. But I think it's odd that we haven't heard ANYthing their status in a couple of years.


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Post by TomCat88 » Wed May 19, 2010 6:33 am

GrizinWashington wrote:So, what IS the status on the skyboxes? I mean, I know it's still in the "quiet phase" in which they're searching for the big donors to get most of the money committed. But I think it's odd that we haven't heard ANYthing their status in a couple of years.
I was told about 3 months ago that some of the early donors that had to back off due to losses in the market were coming back, so there's been some movement, but nothing significant enough for them to make an announcement. They were closing in on it when it first started, but the economy dived. I think as the economy goes, the sky suites go.


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Post by fatcatsat » Wed May 19, 2010 11:04 am

I don't believe the entertainment business is much difference than any other business in the sense if you have "nice" facilities you will get more clientelle, and "employees" (meaning student athletes, coaches, etc.) It is an investement towards the future. The grizzlies understand this. We easily have the 2nd best stadium in the Big Sky, but for how long?? My main fear is the other teams catch up and we lose our competitive edge.

That being said i am not on the list for sky suites, but try and contribute as much as possible to bobcat club, season tickets, and other departments within the college.



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Post by CARDIAC_CATS » Wed May 19, 2010 11:15 am

fatcatsat wrote:I don't believe the entertainment business is much difference than any other business in the sense if you have "nice" facilities you will get more clientelle, and "employees" (meaning student athletes, coaches, etc.) It is an investement towards the future. The grizzlies understand this. We easily have the 2nd best stadium in the Big Sky, but for how long?? My main fear is the other teams catch up and we lose our competitive edge.

That being said i am not on the list for sky suites, but try and contribute as much as possible to bobcat club, season tickets, and other departments within the college.
Exactly, build a nice facility will only encourage more people to attend. We need to keep building onto the nice foundation we have currently have to make it better (small additions can also make a big difference as well).



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Post by Old Skool Cat » Wed May 19, 2010 11:31 am

whitetrashgriz wrote:
CARDIAC_CATS wrote:As the Grizzlies have proved.

"Build it and they will come"
OR......

win, win, win, win, beat your rivals nearly 20 times straight, win, win, win, make the playoffs, win, win, keep making the playoffs, win, win, win a national championship, win, win, win, never miss the playoffs ever, win, win, win, win, win another national championship, win, win, win, beat your rivals over and over, win, make national title appearances, win, win, win........ :D

but i'm sure that didn't have anything to do with it. people probably just wanted to see the pretty bleachers and cozy suites. :wink:
ding, ding, ding ding! We have a winner!


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Post by GRZSLAYER » Wed May 19, 2010 11:49 am

Old Skool Cat wrote:
whitetrashgriz wrote:
CARDIAC_CATS wrote:As the Grizzlies have proved.

"Build it and they will come"
OR......

win, win, win, win, beat your rivals nearly 20 times straight, win, win, win, make the playoffs, win, win, keep making the playoffs, win, win, win a national championship, win, win, win, never miss the playoffs ever, win, win, win, win, win another national championship, win, win, win, beat your rivals over and over, win, make national title appearances, win, win, win........ :D

but i'm sure that didn't have anything to do with it. people probably just wanted to see the pretty bleachers and cozy suites. :wink:
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EXACTLY!! I don't care about any other factors. At the end of the day it comes down to one thing and one thing only. WIN!! If you do that people come and additions get built!!


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Post by CARDIAC_CATS » Wed May 19, 2010 12:32 pm

Old Skool Cat wrote:
whitetrashgriz wrote:
CARDIAC_CATS wrote:As the Grizzlies have proved.

"Build it and they will come"
OR......

win, win, win, win, beat your rivals nearly 20 times straight, win, win, win, make the playoffs, win, win, keep making the playoffs, win, win, win a national championship, win, win, win, never miss the playoffs ever, win, win, win, win, win another national championship, win, win, win, beat your rivals over and over, win, make national title appearances, win, win, win........ :D

but i'm sure that didn't have anything to do with it. people probably just wanted to see the pretty bleachers and cozy suites. :wink:
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Post by oedipuss » Wed May 19, 2010 5:45 pm

We have a perfect example of what facilities will do for a team here in Bozeman. Remember the Ice Garden? The Ice Dogs were consistently in the top 2 with Billings in attendance for years in Junior A hockey - even though we didn't have any history of supporting a hockey team or the population base of a lot of the places we were playing - and many times not the best team! Fast forward to the Ice Dogs playing at the fairgrounds and you can pretty much walk up to the ticket booth and point to the seats you want. Facilities (either improved or expanded) would make a significant difference in game attendance I think regardless of our winning ways.



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Post by grizzh8r » Wed May 19, 2010 6:51 pm

oedipuss wrote:We have a perfect example of what facilities will do for a team here in Bozeman. Remember the Ice Garden? The Ice Dogs were consistently in the top 2 with Billings in attendance for years in Junior A hockey - even though we didn't have any history of supporting a hockey team or the population base of a lot of the places we were playing - and many times not the best team! Fast forward to the Ice Dogs playing at the fairgrounds and you can pretty much walk up to the ticket booth and point to the seats you want. Facilities (either improved or expanded) would make a significant difference in game attendance I think regardless of our winning ways.
Good analogy, though the level of competition dropped when the Icedogs went from Junior A to Junior B, so the talent dropped as well. i.e., not as good of a product. RIP VIG - what a great venue, and what a shame that it was lost.


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Post by technoCat » Thu May 20, 2010 9:40 am

grizzh8r wrote:
oedipuss wrote:We have a perfect example of what facilities will do for a team here in Bozeman. Remember the Ice Garden? The Ice Dogs were consistently in the top 2 with Billings in attendance for years in Junior A hockey - even though we didn't have any history of supporting a hockey team or the population base of a lot of the places we were playing - and many times not the best team! Fast forward to the Ice Dogs playing at the fairgrounds and you can pretty much walk up to the ticket booth and point to the seats you want. Facilities (either improved or expanded) would make a significant difference in game attendance I think regardless of our winning ways.
Good analogy, though the level of competition dropped when the Icedogs went from Junior A to Junior B, so the talent dropped as well. i.e., not as good of a product. RIP VIG - what a great venue, and what a shame that it was lost.
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