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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by GoldstoneCat » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:07 pm

gris_h8er wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:56 pm
GoldstoneCat wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:19 pm
onceacat wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 9:32 pm
gris_h8er wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:31 pm
GoldstoneCat wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:18 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:35 pm
84CatGrad wrote:
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They have 34 seniors, dunno how many still have a year left. I was disheartened to hear that Gronowski has another year if he so chooses.
Gronowski might be the most overrated player in the FCS.
Name an FCS team he could transfer to where he isn't the starter immediately. And let me save it for you: we're not one of them.
You would take gronowski above Tommy? As in the guy I watched get timed with a calendar when he was running today?
Exactly. If MG were the Cats starter, House might call a handoff to one of the All American running backs on the Cat roster. Plus, Tommy for all his positives is still a long way from an FCS level passer.
Yes. I would take gronowski for his senior year as starting qb over Tommy. For 1 year. And i would never second guess the decision. JMO.
That’s a hot take after the games I saw gronowski in. And I disagree. If you’re only after a passer maybe gronowski is the guy but I wasn’t very impressed with his passing either. Tommy wasn’t utilized properly this season, specifically when they got it in their heads that he has to be a pocket passer which is an ill informed decision and assumption on all levels.
Hard to see how it's a hot take that the 2x defending national champion, payton award winning qb would be the unquestioned starter at any fcs program. Seems fairly reasonable.



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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by rfischer94 » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:12 pm

84CatGrad wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:16 am
"I just think play calling is a crutch that keyboard warriors like to use when their team loses."

Couldn't agree more. No doubt on eGriz the biggest idiot in the world this morning is frizzzzzz OC Brent Pease.
The gris OC posts on eGriz?



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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by onceacat » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:30 pm

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 9:37 pm
onceacat wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 9:32 pm
gris_h8er wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:31 pm
GoldstoneCat wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:18 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:35 pm
84CatGrad wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:15 pm
They have 34 seniors, dunno how many still have a year left. I was disheartened to hear that Gronowski has another year if he so chooses.
Gronowski might be the most overrated player in the FCS.
Name an FCS team he could transfer to where he isn't the starter immediately. And let me save it for you: we're not one of them.
You would take gronowski above Tommy? As in the guy I watched get timed with a calendar when he was running today?
Exactly. If MG were the Cats starter, House might call a handoff to one of the All American running backs on the Cat roster. Plus, Tommy for all his positives is still a long way from an FCS level passer.
Hard disagree. Watch what he did against a good NDSU defense. To say he isn’t an FCS level passer is ludicrous.
Watch the UM game. (4 of 13 for 67 yards 30 of it on one play) When Tommy is "on" he is an average FCS passer.

To say he's 'average' is ludicrous.

(Edit, there are some really bad FCS conferences, so I'm probably over exaggerating. TM is not an average BSC or MVFC passer, he's above average in any other conference)



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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by gris_h8er » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:44 pm

GoldstoneCat wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:07 pm
gris_h8er wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:56 pm
GoldstoneCat wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:19 pm
onceacat wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 9:32 pm
gris_h8er wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:31 pm
GoldstoneCat wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:18 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:35 pm
84CatGrad wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:15 pm
They have 34 seniors, dunno how many still have a year left. I was disheartened to hear that Gronowski has another year if he so chooses.
Gronowski might be the most overrated player in the FCS.
Name an FCS team he could transfer to where he isn't the starter immediately. And let me save it for you: we're not one of them.
You would take gronowski above Tommy? As in the guy I watched get timed with a calendar when he was running today?
Exactly. If MG were the Cats starter, House might call a handoff to one of the All American running backs on the Cat roster. Plus, Tommy for all his positives is still a long way from an FCS level passer.
Yes. I would take gronowski for his senior year as starting qb over Tommy. For 1 year. And i would never second guess the decision. JMO.
That’s a hot take after the games I saw gronowski in. And I disagree. If you’re only after a passer maybe gronowski is the guy but I wasn’t very impressed with his passing either. Tommy wasn’t utilized properly this season, specifically when they got it in their heads that he has to be a pocket passer which is an ill informed decision and assumption on all levels.
Hard to see how it's a hot take that the 2x defending national champion, payton award winning qb would be the unquestioned starter at any fcs program. Seems fairly reasonable.
Did you watch his games?


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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by grizzh8r » Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:45 pm

rfischer94 wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:12 pm
84CatGrad wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:16 am
"I just think play calling is a crutch that keyboard warriors like to use when their team loses."

Couldn't agree more. No doubt on eGriz the biggest idiot in the world this morning is frizzzzzz OC Brent Pease.
The gris OC posts on eGriz?
Thinking you missed the point. He's saying that the common sentiment on egris today is that Pease is an idiot.


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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by John K » Tue Jan 09, 2024 4:19 am

Montanabob wrote:
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cats should had one loss going into playoffs, the jizz. we would have possible avoided them in playoffs as a number 4 seed with griz 2. that would have been our best shot at getting to chipper by not going back washington griz.

but i digress, the NCAA would have forced UM vs MSU game before frisco.
I agree that we should have had only one loss going into the playoffs, but in that scenario, I think we could have still been the 2 seed, even with the beatdown by the gris. MSU, SDSU and gris all with 1 loss, griz beat us, and we beat SDSU on the road...I almost don't see how it could be anything but 1-gris, 2-MSU, 3-SDSU. We would have been ranked number 1 almost the entire season after beating SDSU in week 2, before the debacle in Missoula. I don't necessarily think you're right either about the NCAA wanting to avoid a Cat-gris rematch in the chipper. I think that would be a pretty compelling matchup, even for FCS fans outside the state of Montana. A lot of people in here seemed to think the NCAA was pushing for an NDSU-SDSU matchup last year...how would Cats-gris be any less attractive than that? If it was good enough for ESPN Gameday, it should be good enough for Frisco.



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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by John K » Tue Jan 09, 2024 4:28 am

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:38 am
91catAlum wrote:
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Prodigal Cat wrote:
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And you knuckleheads with an ax to grind on Housewright are just idiots. We had one of the most prolific offense in all of the FCS. We had some of the best defenses heads spinning and had as much success versus the Jacks as any team. If you want him fired for other reasons I can see that but griping about the offensive play calling means you aren't paying attention and should get zero respect here.
House has some share of the blame for our late season collapse, and you giving him a complete pass is just as idiotic.

Our offense was good for sure. But that's due to the talent level just as much than anything Housewright did. Plus, a ton of the points we scored were against bad teams. We ran it up against Poly, ewu and nau but we scored 7 in Missoula, which was less than every other team the griz played this season except unc. Idaho State's offense performed better in Missoula than MSU did. We scored 16 points at sdsu and you're using that as an example of how great our offense was?? I don't want House fired or anything, but come on, is he your uncle or something? With the talent we had on offense, ANY decent football mind could do what House did last season.

40 points at Weber was impressive. That was really the only impressive offensive output against a decent defense. Am I forgetting anything?
16 points against SDSU was almost double their season average. Was it a high amount of points? Obviously not, but compared to what SDSU allowed, it was certainly quite good.

Nobody is denying the UM game was a disaster, in all facets of the game. Half of the Idaho game was bad defensively. Everything else was good.
We scored more points against SDSU in one game, than they allowed in four playoff games combined. And it should have been 23 or 24, if we had scored TD instead of FG the two times we got pushed back due to false starts after having 1st and goal at the one, or if that TD at the end of the game hadn't been overturned. The offense had a pretty strong game that day, against the best defense in the country.



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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by Helcat72 » Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:00 am

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If your assessment on Gronowski is how he played in the first half yesterday (or even the first half against the Cats) and then saying look at how Tommy played against NDSU you are hand picking games to support your opinion. I told my dad at halftime yesterday this thing is over. The Jacks played one of their worst halves of football yesterday and still have the lead at half time.
How MG played yesterday was not how he played all season and how Tommy played versus the Bison was his best game all season. Does MG benefit from playing with a ton of talent around him, yes. But so does TM.

And you knuckleheads with an ax to grind on Housewright are just idiots. We had one of the most prolific offense in all of the FCS. We had some of the best defenses heads spinning and had as much success versus the Jacks as any team. If you want him fired for other reasons I can see that but griping about the offensive play calling means you aren't paying attention and should get zero respect here.
I totally agree! =D^


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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by GoldstoneCat » Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:45 am

gris_h8er wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:44 pm
GoldstoneCat wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:07 pm
gris_h8er wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:56 pm
GoldstoneCat wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:19 pm
onceacat wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 9:32 pm
gris_h8er wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:31 pm
GoldstoneCat wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:18 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:35 pm
84CatGrad wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:15 pm
They have 34 seniors, dunno how many still have a year left. I was disheartened to hear that Gronowski has another year if he so chooses.
Gronowski might be the most overrated player in the FCS.
Name an FCS team he could transfer to where he isn't the starter immediately. And let me save it for you: we're not one of them.
You would take gronowski above Tommy? As in the guy I watched get timed with a calendar when he was running today?
Exactly. If MG were the Cats starter, House might call a handoff to one of the All American running backs on the Cat roster. Plus, Tommy for all his positives is still a long way from an FCS level passer.
Yes. I would take gronowski for his senior year as starting qb over Tommy. For 1 year. And i would never second guess the decision. JMO.
That’s a hot take after the games I saw gronowski in. And I disagree. If you’re only after a passer maybe gronowski is the guy but I wasn’t very impressed with his passing either. Tommy wasn’t utilized properly this season, specifically when they got it in their heads that he has to be a pocket passer which is an ill informed decision and assumption on all levels.
Hard to see how it's a hot take that the 2x defending national champion, payton award winning qb would be the unquestioned starter at any fcs program. Seems fairly reasonable.
Did you watch his games?
I have watched sdsu a ton this year. Ndsu also. And again, this is not a bash Tommy post, i think we can win the whole thing with Tommy. But as far as watching guys play qb, there is no conversation about who is a more effective, polished, reliable qb. I realize league and national awards aren't the perfect metric but gronowski won everything he could win, including a natty where he didn't play well and still dotted up some throws that we never even attempt. I guess i just don't see the controversy, understanding that it's all academic anyway because he isn't coming here.



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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by Cataholic » Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:24 am

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:48 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:32 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 3:08 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:06 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:20 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:52 am
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catatac wrote:
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We've had a VERY prolific offense the past couple years, top of the FCS. If anyone wants to get rid of House for off the field stuff, totally understandable. If you want him fired for offensive production... well that's just silly - and be careful what you wish for.
That’s not seeing the full picture either. I’m not calling for him to be fired for offensive production necessarily, but just looking at year end stats doesn’t paint the full picture.
At times the offense was unstoppable, and certainly racked up some points and stats against inferior competition.
But there is no denying that at times the offense was a jumbled mess. No flow, going 3 and out more often than they should have at the wrong times, etc. there is certainly room for some criticism.
Absolutely room for criticism, but find me an OC who doesn’t have those issues.

I don’t care what level of football you coach, coaches have bad moments, bad halves, bad games. Every. Single. One.
That's fair. However I would still have a few criticisms of House and not for the times he just had a bad day or a bad call. For example - we had a serious lack of creativity in goal-to-go situations. Can anyone deny this? Chambers up the middle 4 times is not a bad day, it was a constant, and every opponent knew it was coming. Even Utah Tech stuffed it. Its part of the reason we lost at sdsu. I sure hope that changes, I don't want us to just find a Chambers replacement and continue it. Also, throwing sideline fade routes on 3rd and short... its a low percentage play call, especially when you consider MSU was the #1 rushing team in the nation and one of the worst passing teams. If you wanna throw it there once in a while, great - but make it a high percentage throw, not a 50/50 fade ball to a 5'11" wr. I sure hope that changes as well.
You are 100% correct. And those were not simply moments, they were regular events. And the first half at Idaho was a disaster on the offensive side. I think the first three drives were 3 and out with 12 yards of total offense.
If they were regular events we wouldn’t have a top 5 offense in the nation.
With the weapons we have on offense and the line they run behind, we should be a top 5 offense. You make it sound like House is solely responsible for the success. Quite frankly, any competent OC should be successful with our guys. The fact is that we have questionable play calls every single game on a regular basis. That is a concern. And they really bit us in big games against top opponents.
How did I make it sound like House is solely responsible for the offenses success? Details, please.

Who is an OC that doesn’t have questionable play calling? Names, please. How do you know those questionable play calls are on the coach and not the players? Details, please.

I think people don’t realize that calling plays isn’t the easiest thing in the world. House and the offense has been so good that people expect 500 yards. 40 ppg, 480 yards per game, 8 yards per play, and people just bitch about all the things that went wrong. Do you expect positive yards on every play? That we’ll never punt? Zero bad calls per game? I mean, what is the expectation for you?! And again, details, please.

I don’t think House is perfect. Clearly makes mistakes, clearly has disjointed game plans at times. All the same, pretty hard to argue with the results. I’d argue he’s the best OC we’ve had here since Brian Wright. I just have a hard time when people who wouldn’t know a post from a flag talking about all the things a coach calls wrong. It’s nothing but reactionary, in the moment ******.
Not sure why I am responding since you are the self anointed expert. People are really tired of your act. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean that they are football idiots. I just re-read my response and there is nothing in there wrong. You talk like House is the main reason for our offensive success. I am of the opinion that our dudes have a lot more to do with that success. And seriously man, the game plan that House brought into Idaho and UM are the two most obvious examples. How many times this season have we heard “every person in the stadium saw that play call coming”. But you are probably okay with first and goal and then Chambers up the middle 4 times in a row.



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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by 84CatGrad » Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:51 am

rfischer94 wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:12 pm
84CatGrad wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:16 am
"I just think play calling is a crutch that keyboard warriors like to use when their team loses."

Couldn't agree more. No doubt on eGriz the biggest idiot in the world this morning is frizzzzzz OC Brent Pease.
The gris OC posts on eGriz?
You misunderstand. What I'm saying is that after scoring 3 points in the 'ship, no doubt eGriz is calling for the OC's head.



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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:03 am

Cataholic wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:24 am
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:48 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:32 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 3:08 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:06 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:20 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:52 am
Catsrgrood wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:40 am
catatac wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:15 am
We've had a VERY prolific offense the past couple years, top of the FCS. If anyone wants to get rid of House for off the field stuff, totally understandable. If you want him fired for offensive production... well that's just silly - and be careful what you wish for.
That’s not seeing the full picture either. I’m not calling for him to be fired for offensive production necessarily, but just looking at year end stats doesn’t paint the full picture.
At times the offense was unstoppable, and certainly racked up some points and stats against inferior competition.
But there is no denying that at times the offense was a jumbled mess. No flow, going 3 and out more often than they should have at the wrong times, etc. there is certainly room for some criticism.
Absolutely room for criticism, but find me an OC who doesn’t have those issues.

I don’t care what level of football you coach, coaches have bad moments, bad halves, bad games. Every. Single. One.
That's fair. However I would still have a few criticisms of House and not for the times he just had a bad day or a bad call. For example - we had a serious lack of creativity in goal-to-go situations. Can anyone deny this? Chambers up the middle 4 times is not a bad day, it was a constant, and every opponent knew it was coming. Even Utah Tech stuffed it. Its part of the reason we lost at sdsu. I sure hope that changes, I don't want us to just find a Chambers replacement and continue it. Also, throwing sideline fade routes on 3rd and short... its a low percentage play call, especially when you consider MSU was the #1 rushing team in the nation and one of the worst passing teams. If you wanna throw it there once in a while, great - but make it a high percentage throw, not a 50/50 fade ball to a 5'11" wr. I sure hope that changes as well.
You are 100% correct. And those were not simply moments, they were regular events. And the first half at Idaho was a disaster on the offensive side. I think the first three drives were 3 and out with 12 yards of total offense.
If they were regular events we wouldn’t have a top 5 offense in the nation.
With the weapons we have on offense and the line they run behind, we should be a top 5 offense. You make it sound like House is solely responsible for the success. Quite frankly, any competent OC should be successful with our guys. The fact is that we have questionable play calls every single game on a regular basis. That is a concern. And they really bit us in big games against top opponents.
How did I make it sound like House is solely responsible for the offenses success? Details, please.

Who is an OC that doesn’t have questionable play calling? Names, please. How do you know those questionable play calls are on the coach and not the players? Details, please.

I think people don’t realize that calling plays isn’t the easiest thing in the world. House and the offense has been so good that people expect 500 yards. 40 ppg, 480 yards per game, 8 yards per play, and people just bitch about all the things that went wrong. Do you expect positive yards on every play? That we’ll never punt? Zero bad calls per game? I mean, what is the expectation for you?! And again, details, please.

I don’t think House is perfect. Clearly makes mistakes, clearly has disjointed game plans at times. All the same, pretty hard to argue with the results. I’d argue he’s the best OC we’ve had here since Brian Wright. I just have a hard time when people who wouldn’t know a post from a flag talking about all the things a coach calls wrong. It’s nothing but reactionary, in the moment ******.
Not sure why I am responding since you are the self anointed expert. People are really tired of your act. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean that they are football idiots. I just re-read my response and there is nothing in there wrong. You talk like House is the main reason for our offensive success. I am of the opinion that our dudes have a lot more to do with that success. And seriously man, the game plan that House brought into Idaho and UM are the two most obvious examples. How many times this season have we heard “every person in the stadium saw that play call coming”. But you are probably okay with first and goal and then Chambers up the middle 4 times in a row.
You seem to have forgotten the “details” part of the response. Too bad. Maybe next time.



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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by Cataholic » Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:40 am

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:03 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:24 am
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:48 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:32 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 3:08 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:06 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:20 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:52 am
Catsrgrood wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:40 am
catatac wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:15 am
We've had a VERY prolific offense the past couple years, top of the FCS. If anyone wants to get rid of House for off the field stuff, totally understandable. If you want him fired for offensive production... well that's just silly - and be careful what you wish for.
That’s not seeing the full picture either. I’m not calling for him to be fired for offensive production necessarily, but just looking at year end stats doesn’t paint the full picture.
At times the offense was unstoppable, and certainly racked up some points and stats against inferior competition.
But there is no denying that at times the offense was a jumbled mess. No flow, going 3 and out more often than they should have at the wrong times, etc. there is certainly room for some criticism.
Absolutely room for criticism, but find me an OC who doesn’t have those issues.

I don’t care what level of football you coach, coaches have bad moments, bad halves, bad games. Every. Single. One.
That's fair. However I would still have a few criticisms of House and not for the times he just had a bad day or a bad call. For example - we had a serious lack of creativity in goal-to-go situations. Can anyone deny this? Chambers up the middle 4 times is not a bad day, it was a constant, and every opponent knew it was coming. Even Utah Tech stuffed it. Its part of the reason we lost at sdsu. I sure hope that changes, I don't want us to just find a Chambers replacement and continue it. Also, throwing sideline fade routes on 3rd and short... its a low percentage play call, especially when you consider MSU was the #1 rushing team in the nation and one of the worst passing teams. If you wanna throw it there once in a while, great - but make it a high percentage throw, not a 50/50 fade ball to a 5'11" wr. I sure hope that changes as well.
You are 100% correct. And those were not simply moments, they were regular events. And the first half at Idaho was a disaster on the offensive side. I think the first three drives were 3 and out with 12 yards of total offense.
If they were regular events we wouldn’t have a top 5 offense in the nation.
With the weapons we have on offense and the line they run behind, we should be a top 5 offense. You make it sound like House is solely responsible for the success. Quite frankly, any competent OC should be successful with our guys. The fact is that we have questionable play calls every single game on a regular basis. That is a concern. And they really bit us in big games against top opponents.
How did I make it sound like House is solely responsible for the offenses success? Details, please.

Who is an OC that doesn’t have questionable play calling? Names, please. How do you know those questionable play calls are on the coach and not the players? Details, please.

I think people don’t realize that calling plays isn’t the easiest thing in the world. House and the offense has been so good that people expect 500 yards. 40 ppg, 480 yards per game, 8 yards per play, and people just bitch about all the things that went wrong. Do you expect positive yards on every play? That we’ll never punt? Zero bad calls per game? I mean, what is the expectation for you?! And again, details, please.

I don’t think House is perfect. Clearly makes mistakes, clearly has disjointed game plans at times. All the same, pretty hard to argue with the results. I’d argue he’s the best OC we’ve had here since Brian Wright. I just have a hard time when people who wouldn’t know a post from a flag talking about all the things a coach calls wrong. It’s nothing but reactionary, in the moment ******.
Not sure why I am responding since you are the self anointed expert. People are really tired of your act. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean that they are football idiots. I just re-read my response and there is nothing in there wrong. You talk like House is the main reason for our offensive success. I am of the opinion that our dudes have a lot more to do with that success. And seriously man, the game plan that House brought into Idaho and UM are the two most obvious examples. How many times this season have we heard “every person in the stadium saw that play call coming”. But you are probably okay with first and goal and then Chambers up the middle 4 times in a row.
You seem to have forgotten the “details” part of the response. Too bad. Maybe next time.
If you can’t figure it out with the information already presented then maybe you aren’t as smart as you think.



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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:54 am

Cataholic wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:40 am
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:03 am
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That’s not seeing the full picture either. I’m not calling for him to be fired for offensive production necessarily, but just looking at year end stats doesn’t paint the full picture.
At times the offense was unstoppable, and certainly racked up some points and stats against inferior competition.
But there is no denying that at times the offense was a jumbled mess. No flow, going 3 and out more often than they should have at the wrong times, etc. there is certainly room for some criticism.
Absolutely room for criticism, but find me an OC who doesn’t have those issues.

I don’t care what level of football you coach, coaches have bad moments, bad halves, bad games. Every. Single. One.
That's fair. However I would still have a few criticisms of House and not for the times he just had a bad day or a bad call. For example - we had a serious lack of creativity in goal-to-go situations. Can anyone deny this? Chambers up the middle 4 times is not a bad day, it was a constant, and every opponent knew it was coming. Even Utah Tech stuffed it. Its part of the reason we lost at sdsu. I sure hope that changes, I don't want us to just find a Chambers replacement and continue it. Also, throwing sideline fade routes on 3rd and short... its a low percentage play call, especially when you consider MSU was the #1 rushing team in the nation and one of the worst passing teams. If you wanna throw it there once in a while, great - but make it a high percentage throw, not a 50/50 fade ball to a 5'11" wr. I sure hope that changes as well.
You are 100% correct. And those were not simply moments, they were regular events. And the first half at Idaho was a disaster on the offensive side. I think the first three drives were 3 and out with 12 yards of total offense.
If they were regular events we wouldn’t have a top 5 offense in the nation.
With the weapons we have on offense and the line they run behind, we should be a top 5 offense. You make it sound like House is solely responsible for the success. Quite frankly, any competent OC should be successful with our guys. The fact is that we have questionable play calls every single game on a regular basis. That is a concern. And they really bit us in big games against top opponents.
How did I make it sound like House is solely responsible for the offenses success? Details, please.

Who is an OC that doesn’t have questionable play calling? Names, please. How do you know those questionable play calls are on the coach and not the players? Details, please.

I think people don’t realize that calling plays isn’t the easiest thing in the world. House and the offense has been so good that people expect 500 yards. 40 ppg, 480 yards per game, 8 yards per play, and people just bitch about all the things that went wrong. Do you expect positive yards on every play? That we’ll never punt? Zero bad calls per game? I mean, what is the expectation for you?! And again, details, please.

I don’t think House is perfect. Clearly makes mistakes, clearly has disjointed game plans at times. All the same, pretty hard to argue with the results. I’d argue he’s the best OC we’ve had here since Brian Wright. I just have a hard time when people who wouldn’t know a post from a flag talking about all the things a coach calls wrong. It’s nothing but reactionary, in the moment ******.
Not sure why I am responding since you are the self anointed expert. People are really tired of your act. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean that they are football idiots. I just re-read my response and there is nothing in there wrong. You talk like House is the main reason for our offensive success. I am of the opinion that our dudes have a lot more to do with that success. And seriously man, the game plan that House brought into Idaho and UM are the two most obvious examples. How many times this season have we heard “every person in the stadium saw that play call coming”. But you are probably okay with first and goal and then Chambers up the middle 4 times in a row.
You seem to have forgotten the “details” part of the response. Too bad. Maybe next time.
If you can’t figure it out with the information already presented then maybe you aren’t as smart as you think.
Look, I’m keeping it to football. The last couple posts you’ve taken shots at me. Let’s just keep it to football, okay? We can disagree without making it personal.

All I’m asking is for the people saying that Housewright is a detriment on the field to back it up with detailed facts. It seems like people are saying Housewright deserves all the blame for negative plays, and anything positive is just because we have talented players. I just don’t buy into that. I’ll say it again, for what feels like the 10th time, I don’t think he’s a perfect OC. He certainly benefits from having good players (what good coach doesn’t?!), but he has also brought a good scheme, and good play calling here. I don’t think at this level that we can expect somebody who’s significantly better.



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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by PapaG » Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:09 pm

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"I just think play calling is a crutch that keyboard warriors like to use when their team loses."

Couldn't agree more. No doubt on eGriz the biggest idiot in the world this morning is frizzzzzz OC Brent Pease.
The gris OC posts on eGriz?
Thinking you missed the point. He's saying that the common sentiment on egris today is that Pease is an idiot.
Their offense in many games, including the playoffs, was subpar considering they ended up in Frisco. Without Junior Bergen’s two return TDs, they lose to Furman in the Quarterfinals and Hauck may be out the door. Thankfully, he won’t be now unless he pulls a surprise and retires. Besides, he’s tied now with Marv Levy for championship games losses so he may as well try for a 5th and make history.


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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by technoCat » Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:23 pm

I'm just curious right now how much these conversations change if Tommy's stat line is ~65% for 1500 yards and 14 tds on 117 attempts(WR catch wide open passes, I think this is pretty conservative). There are a couple games that probably look completely different in retrospective.


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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by SnowGriz » Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:28 pm

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They have 34 seniors, dunno how many still have a year left. I was disheartened to hear that Gronowski has another year if he so chooses.
Gronowski might be the most overrated player in the FCS.
Name an FCS team he could transfer to where he isn't the starter immediately. And let me save it for you: we're not one of them.
You would take gronowski above Tommy? As in the guy I watched get timed with a calendar when he was running today?
Exactly. If MG were the Cats starter, House might call a handoff to one of the All American running backs on the Cat roster. Plus, Tommy for all his positives is still a long way from an FCS level passer.
Hard disagree. Watch what he did against a good NDSU defense. To say he isn’t an FCS level passer is ludicrous.
Watch the UM game. (4 of 13 for 67 yards 30 of it on one play) When Tommy is "on" he is an average FCS passer.

To say he's 'average' is ludicrous.

(Edit, there are some really bad FCS conferences, so I'm probably over exaggerating. TM is not an average BSC or MVFC passer, he's above average in any other conference)
If Tommy had better targets he would be an above average passer. He gets great protection and looks through all of his reads when he has the time. But the guys he has downfield don't seem able to get open except against Eastern. Could be the routes?



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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by WalkOn79 » Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:55 pm

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What is most disappointing to me is the fact that at the beginning of the season we were absolutely as good as SDSU. This was going to be our year. The second time we played SDSU in Frisco we would prevail. I remember going to Spectators with a friend to watch our game AT Weber. After that 40-0 beatdown I was convinced more than ever. We continued with several more impressive wins. THEN IDAHO HAPPENED. And we never seemed to recover. Injuries, playcalling, whatever, we just never were the same team that we had been during the first half of the season.

This season will always stick out as terribly disappointing because the stars were lined up to be our year. Who knows what next season will bring with our O line lost to the portal.
We could have the same starting OL as 2022 other than Reimer as Conner Moore is the LT now...and was a freshman All-American. My point being I really don't think the offensive line is taking a step back. Valdez was a bigger loss and we need to replace him with a strong rotation which I think we have now in Brott, Black, and Eckert opposite of Schmidt.
Disagree about Valdez. I just didn't see the competitive fire there. I'll take a kid with less talent and a killer instinct any day.


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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by Vamos Gatos Vamos » Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:36 pm

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egris moderator with a history of trolling here having a meltdown is fun. That this guy is a mod there really says it all about that cesspool.

https://egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?t=92969
Egriz showcases the worst of that fanbase daily. While I don't know Brint personally, put yourself in his shoes for a moment and imagine trying to keep Egriz civil. You'd have better luck selling rainbow shirts at a mega convention. I've referred a few clients to him & they raved about his professionalism. I have friends who know him & can tell you he's a good guy, just misguided in who he roots for. He is a good human.



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Re: National Championship Postives

Post by Vamos Gatos Vamos » Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:58 pm

The schedule the Cats played was brutal, I wonder how it ranks in the FCS? Lost on the road to # 1 & 2 , Idaho, and at home to likely #3. If you have to lose 4 games at least they were to most of the very best teams in the FCS. That's a sad consolation, but they did lose to some great teams.

The Griz Schedule could not have been kinder to them. Since Oct 28 the Griz played 7 games – 6 at home & 1 away against PSU - & they took advantage of it. They had 2 playoff wins in overtime & relied on special teams like they always do. You can't let special teams beat you! Then they went back on the road and lost. It's hard to beat a great team on the road.

I know the Cats lose some studs & so far the portal taketh, but I'm confident we'll be a better team next year. Go Cats!



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