Vigen Oregon State rumors.

[catatac]

So, IF the reports are true (Honestly you never know any more, but it seems pretty clear Vigen has in fact interviewed) then it's likely down to two candidates, one of which will get OFFERED the job. IF that ends up being Vigen and IF he takes it, (He's moving up one of these years, we've always known that), I just really hope he doesn't start that job until after the final playoff game.

He’s not going to leave until the season is over. That doesn’t mean he won’t sign with another program, but he’s gonna finish the season out.

Look at what Eric Morris @ North Texas is doing with Oklahoma State. Same thing.

I trust your knowledge here, and super glad to know at least that much. If I remember correctly, that was the hang up with not getting the WSU job last year, Vigen wasn't willing to start immediately whereas Rodgers was. So I could see OSU saying, uh no... we're paying you millions of dollars, you're starting immediately, and Vigen doing it after losing out on the WSU job last year. Having said all that, both of those places are where coached go to die. Yes the money is good for a few years but there is ZERO chance WSU will ever seriously compete with UW long term and the same goes for OSU and OR.

I don’t know anything. I’m just using common sense.

So if OSU tells him he has the job if he starts immediately..... are you saying Vigen would decline?

[BelligerentBobcat]

So, IF the reports are true (Honestly you never know any more, but it seems pretty clear Vigen has in fact interviewed) then it's likely down to two candidates, one of which will get OFFERED the job. IF that ends up being Vigen and IF he takes it, (He's moving up one of these years, we've always known that), I just really hope he doesn't start that job until after the final playoff game.

He’s not going to leave until the season is over. That doesn’t mean he won’t sign with another program, but he’s gonna finish the season out.

Look at what Eric Morris @ North Texas is doing with Oklahoma State. Same thing.

I trust your knowledge here, and super glad to know at least that much. If I remember correctly, that was the hang up with not getting the WSU job last year, Vigen wasn't willing to start immediately whereas Rodgers was. So I could see OSU saying, uh no... we're paying you millions of dollars, you're starting immediately, and Vigen doing it after losing out on the WSU job last year. Having said all that, both of those places are where coached go to die. Yes the money is good for a few years but there is ZERO chance WSU will ever seriously compete with UW long term and the same goes for OSU and OR.

I don’t know anything. I’m just using common sense.

So if OSU tells him he has the job if he starts immediately..... are you saying Vigen would decline?

What I’m saying is that if they wouldn’t let him finish the season, I do not believe he would take the job. He can take the job and finish the season, but I don’t believe he would just leave MSU in the middle of the playoffs. Basically, he’d do exactly what Eric Morris is doing.

[GoldstoneCat]

So, IF the reports are true (Honestly you never know any more, but it seems pretty clear Vigen has in fact interviewed) then it's likely down to two candidates, one of which will get OFFERED the job. IF that ends up being Vigen and IF he takes it, (He's moving up one of these years, we've always known that), I just really hope he doesn't start that job until after the final playoff game.

He’s not going to leave until the season is over. That doesn’t mean he won’t sign with another program, but he’s gonna finish the season out.

Look at what Eric Morris @ North Texas is doing with Oklahoma State. Same thing.

I trust your knowledge here, and super glad to know at least that much. If I remember correctly, that was the hang up with not getting the WSU job last year, Vigen wasn't willing to start immediately whereas Rodgers was. So I could see OSU saying, uh no... we're paying you millions of dollars, you're starting immediately, and Vigen doing it after losing out on the WSU job last year. Having said all that, both of those places are where coached go to die. Yes the money is good for a few years but there is ZERO chance WSU will ever seriously compete with UW long term and the same goes for OSU and OR.

I don’t know anything. I’m just using common sense.

So if OSU tells him he has the job if he starts immediately..... are you saying Vigen would decline?

What I’m saying is that if they wouldn’t let him finish the season, I do not believe he would take the job. He can take the job and finish the season, but I don’t believe he would just leave MSU in the middle of the playoffs. Basically, he’d do exactly what Eric Morris is doing.

As someone said many pages ago, if he's leaving this is the best possible outcome, to announce it now. Then you can fire up the search committee, get out the ol rolodex, get your interviews done and get your new coach on campus so he can start recruiting the current roster after the semifinal/ well before the portal opens. That works especially well if the new coach were to be A) Bobby Daly (as you've said BB,) or B) Sean Howe. The wazzu thing last year plus the long portal window would have been a way-worse situation than this one, if indeed it comes to pass.

[JimmyEatWorld]

I just went to a program up at MSU prior to Cat/Griz that featured someone from UM talking about NIL and money spent in college sports. NDSU does not spend like a FBS program, their athletic spending is $30.2M with football taking $6.5M of that and the university subsidising $12.1M to make ends meet throughout the athletic dep't. MSU spending is $28.6M with football taking $11.3M and no university subsidy. UM is about the same. Boise State on the other hand spends $64.3M with football taking $26.5M and the university subsidising $13.8M. The difference between upper FCS and mid FBS programs is another $30M or double what we are generating/spending currently. Upper level FBS programs like SEC teams are in the $285M area. Numbers come from published EADA annual reports through Dep't of Education.

Can you help me understand what “university subsidizing” is composed of?

The unallocated revenue line item in the report consists of all revenue not specifically tied to a sport, which includes a few items but mostly consists of monies given by the university to make the budget work in athletics (university subsidies).

[Utcatsfan]

So, IF the reports are true (Honestly you never know any more, but it seems pretty clear Vigen has in fact interviewed) then it's likely down to two candidates, one of which will get OFFERED the job. IF that ends up being Vigen and IF he takes it, (He's moving up one of these years, we've always known that), I just really hope he doesn't start that job until after the final playoff game.

He’s not going to leave until the season is over. That doesn’t mean he won’t sign with another program, but he’s gonna finish the season out.

Look at what Eric Morris @ North Texas is doing with Oklahoma State. Same thing.

Unfortunately we don't know that, it could be a situation where they want him to immediately start working on the transfer portal, getting his staff together, convincing players to move etc. I'd like to think he wouldn't do.that to us but it will depend on what OSU wants if he accepts the job, especially if thays what cost him the Wazzu job last season.

[catatac]

So, IF the reports are true (Honestly you never know any more, but it seems pretty clear Vigen has in fact interviewed) then it's likely down to two candidates, one of which will get OFFERED the job. IF that ends up being Vigen and IF he takes it, (He's moving up one of these years, we've always known that), I just really hope he doesn't start that job until after the final playoff game.

He’s not going to leave until the season is over. That doesn’t mean he won’t sign with another program, but he’s gonna finish the season out.

Look at what Eric Morris @ North Texas is doing with Oklahoma State. Same thing.

Unfortunately we don't know that, it could be a situation where they want him to immediately start working on the transfer portal, getting his staff together, convincing players to move etc. I'd like to think he wouldn't do.that to us but it will depend on what OSU wants if he accepts the job, especially if thays what cost him the Wazzu job last season.

That's how I feel, hopeful that he just flat our wouldn't do that but concerned OSU could play that card and force him to... like I said earlier, no - we're paying you millions of dollars, you start immediately.

As for your other comment.... one thing I absolutely CANNOT see him doing (If he happened to leave before our season is over) is soliciting our stud players until after the last playoff game.

[BelligerentBobcat]

So, IF the reports are true (Honestly you never know any more, but it seems pretty clear Vigen has in fact interviewed) then it's likely down to two candidates, one of which will get OFFERED the job. IF that ends up being Vigen and IF he takes it, (He's moving up one of these years, we've always known that), I just really hope he doesn't start that job until after the final playoff game.

He’s not going to leave until the season is over. That doesn’t mean he won’t sign with another program, but he’s gonna finish the season out.

Look at what Eric Morris @ North Texas is doing with Oklahoma State. Same thing.

Unfortunately we don't know that, it could be a situation where they want him to immediately start working on the transfer portal, getting his staff together, convincing players to move etc. I'd like to think he wouldn't do.that to us but it will depend on what OSU wants if he accepts the job, especially if thays what cost him the Wazzu job last season.

That's how I feel, hopeful that he just flat our wouldn't do that but concerned OSU could play that card and force him to... like I said earlier, no - we're paying you millions of dollars, you start immediately.

As for your other comment.... one thing I absolutely CANNOT see him doing (If he happened to leave before our season is over) is soliciting our stud players until after the last playoff game.

They can try to force him, but I think he has the leverage here.

Regarding the players leaving, if they go with Vigen I’ll be somewhat disappointed, but they were probably leaving anyways. It’s not like he’s forcing them to go. If they can get paid a lot of money to play football, who am I to say that’s wrong? I’d do the same dang thing and I’m a huge fan of MSU.

[catatac]

So, IF the reports are true (Honestly you never know any more, but it seems pretty clear Vigen has in fact interviewed) then it's likely down to two candidates, one of which will get OFFERED the job. IF that ends up being Vigen and IF he takes it, (He's moving up one of these years, we've always known that), I just really hope he doesn't start that job until after the final playoff game.

He’s not going to leave until the season is over. That doesn’t mean he won’t sign with another program, but he’s gonna finish the season out.

Look at what Eric Morris @ North Texas is doing with Oklahoma State. Same thing.

Unfortunately we don't know that, it could be a situation where they want him to immediately start working on the transfer portal, getting his staff together, convincing players to move etc. I'd like to think he wouldn't do.that to us but it will depend on what OSU wants if he accepts the job, especially if thays what cost him the Wazzu job last season.

That's how I feel, hopeful that he just flat our wouldn't do that but concerned OSU could play that card and force him to... like I said earlier, no - we're paying you millions of dollars, you start immediately.

As for your other comment.... one thing I absolutely CANNOT see him doing (If he happened to leave before our season is over) is soliciting our stud players until after the last playoff game.

They can try to force him, but I think he has the leverage here.

Regarding the players leaving, if they go with Vigen I’ll be somewhat disappointed, but they were probably leaving anyways. It’s not like he’s forcing them to go. If they can get paid a lot of money to play football, who am I to say that’s wrong? I’d do the same dang thing and I’m a huge fan of MSU.

Totally agree. I'm all on board with players leaving to hit their payday. I also think some of them make a mistake when jumping up though, thinking the grass is greener. MSU has good examples of players moving up and thriving and moving up and fizzling out. I was just commenting about Vigen soliciting current Cat players, which he would not do, and would be a total DB move that I'm sure some coaches do.

[Cataholic]

I just went to a program up at MSU prior to Cat/Griz that featured someone from UM talking about NIL and money spent in college sports. NDSU does not spend like a FBS program, their athletic spending is $30.2M with football taking $6.5M of that and the university subsidising $12.1M to make ends meet throughout the athletic dep't. MSU spending is $28.6M with football taking $11.3M and no university subsidy. UM is about the same. Boise State on the other hand spends $64.3M with football taking $26.5M and the university subsidising $13.8M. The difference between upper FCS and mid FBS programs is another $30M or double what we are generating/spending currently. Upper level FBS programs like SEC teams are in the $285M area. Numbers come from published EADA annual reports through Dep't of Education.

Can you help me understand what “university subsidizing” is composed of?

The unallocated revenue line item in the report consists of all revenue not specifically tied to a sport, which includes a few items but mostly consists of monies given by the university to make the budget work in athletics (university subsidies).

Appreciate the insight. I have posed a question before that no one has been able to answer. Maybe you can shed some light. MSU football has so many scholarships to give players. Does MSU athletics write a check to the school for these scholarships? If the school was to “forgive” these tuition fees instead of collecting via payment from MSU athletics, would that be considered “unallocated revenue” or “the university subsidizing athletics”.

[kcatz]

I just went to a program up at MSU prior to Cat/Griz that featured someone from UM talking about NIL and money spent in college sports. NDSU does not spend like a FBS program, their athletic spending is $30.2M with football taking $6.5M of that and the university subsidising $12.1M to make ends meet throughout the athletic dep't. MSU spending is $28.6M with football taking $11.3M and no university subsidy. UM is about the same. Boise State on the other hand spends $64.3M with football taking $26.5M and the university subsidising $13.8M. The difference between upper FCS and mid FBS programs is another $30M or double what we are generating/spending currently. Upper level FBS programs like SEC teams are in the $285M area. Numbers come from published EADA annual reports through Dep't of Education.

Can you help me understand what “university subsidizing” is composed of?

The unallocated revenue line item in the report consists of all revenue not specifically tied to a sport, which includes a few items but mostly consists of monies given by the university to make the budget work in athletics (university subsidies).

Appreciate the insight. I have posed a question before that no one has been able to answer. Maybe you can shed some light. MSU football has so many scholarships to give players. Does MSU athletics write a check to the school for these scholarships? If the school was to “forgive” these tuition fees instead of collecting via payment from MSU athletics, would that be considered “unallocated revenue” or “the university subsidizing athletics”.

Scholarships are paid. Out of state players pay out of state fees, just like any other out of state student. Whatever funds that aren't raised by the Bobcat Club is paid from Athletic department funds.


Can't answer the rest, sorry.

[chainbreaker]

The thing that never gets discussed is the potential change for quality of life. Oregon is not the greatest state in the world to live in right now, taxes are high and politically they're falling in line with California (regardless of how you feel about it).

Maybe it's a homer bias, but living in Montana with a lesser wage, and leading a flagship program is WAY preferable than living in Oregon with a conference in shambles and playing second fiddle to University of Oregon.

I don’t think the political slant belongs here. That being said we’re not talking about a slight salary bump. We’re talking about making at least 5x more than what he currently makes. You don’t turn down making generational wealth because you like one place a bit more than the other. If Vigen truly loves Bozeman and is offered the OSU job, he can go coach through a single contract there and live like a king wherever he wants when he’s done, including Bozeman. Some people are almost as delusional as Grizzlies when it comes to thinking Bozeman is the end all be all.

Or maybe, there's some of us that have experienced both places and can comment on the real world experience of living in each area.

I've lived in both places, and I don't agree with your take. Politics isn't life. A place or region can be a great place to live, even if the local policies and politics aren't great. Both can be true.

** This **

While living in Oregon is not perfect, it can be a great place to live (20 years in Bend).
That being said, I surely don't agree with all of Oregon State government policy or Portland politics....and, we get by just fine living in Oregon. Beats the hell out of living many places in the West.

[GoldstoneCat]

The thing that never gets discussed is the potential change for quality of life. Oregon is not the greatest state in the world to live in right now, taxes are high and politically they're falling in line with California (regardless of how you feel about it).

Maybe it's a homer bias, but living in Montana with a lesser wage, and leading a flagship program is WAY preferable than living in Oregon with a conference in shambles and playing second fiddle to University of Oregon.

I don’t think the political slant belongs here. That being said we’re not talking about a slight salary bump. We’re talking about making at least 5x more than what he currently makes. You don’t turn down making generational wealth because you like one place a bit more than the other. If Vigen truly loves Bozeman and is offered the OSU job, he can go coach through a single contract there and live like a king wherever he wants when he’s done, including Bozeman. Some people are almost as delusional as Grizzlies when it comes to thinking Bozeman is the end all be all.

Or maybe, there's some of us that have experienced both places and can comment on the real world experience of living in each area.

I've lived in both places, and I don't agree with your take. Politics isn't life. A place or region can be a great place to live, even if the local policies and politics aren't great. Both can be true.

** This **

While living in Oregon is not perfect, it can be a great place to live (20 years in Bend).
That being said, I surely don't agree with all of Oregon State government policy or Portland politics....and, we get by just fine living in Oregon. Beats the hell out of living many places in the West.

Way worse places to live than Oregon. I'd argue not many better. But it's irrelevant. People take coaching jobs regardless. Kalen Deboer moved to effing Alabama for goodness sake. You been to the south in August? Give me the devils hell any day, at least there's no bugs there.

[St George]

I have had the experience of watching a game from both the Bobcat and Beaver Stadium. I have been inside the Beaver indoor practice facility, it's similar to MSU. The OSU facilities are nice. But flying into Corvallis is like flying into Havre. The town atmosphere and game day experience beyond the game is hands down better in Bozeman.

I have a daughter who goes to Oregon State and I’ve been to some games there before the conference restructuring. It’s a good gameday experience if they have even an average team. I’m also unaware that Havre is 65 miles from the ocean.

Have you flown into Corvalis? I have twice, the reference wasn't referring to the location but the airport's direct flights and facilities.

[nanacat]

So what does "cooled off" mean?

[Utcatsfan]

So what does "cooled off" mean?

I'm thinking the amount of backlash for the Wilcox push by the fan base (was all over their forums) and probably other boosters besides Knight made them back or "cool off" on that option. The other was Polasek signing an extension with NDSU.

[nanacat]

Posted at 1:30 PST on Facebook

C'mon Leon. Now it's your turn!!

[RyeCat]

Looks like an announcement is as early as next week. No post playoffs if it’s Vigen. And…I hate Griz fans. That is all.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Looks like an announcement is as early as next week. No post playoffs if it’s Vigen. And…I hate Griz fans. That is all.

If it is Vigen, it being announced soon, him coaching through the playoffs and then leaving is a better scenario than waiting to do it until after the season is over. And if he doesn’t leave, get used to doing this again every time a job in the western region, or Midwest, becomes available.

[Heidi-jean]

Beyond disappointed that this is happening at a time when all of Bobcat Nation is excited for the player’s opportunity in the playoffs not to mention their excitement in just beating beating the Griz. Finish your job here first. Now is the time and this is the place Go Cats

[onceacat]

The thing that never gets discussed is the potential change for quality of life. Oregon is not the greatest state in the world to live in right now, taxes are high and politically they're falling in line with California (regardless of how you feel about it).

Maybe it's a homer bias, but living in Montana with a lesser wage, and leading a flagship program is WAY preferable than living in Oregon with a conference in shambles and playing second fiddle to University of Oregon.

I don’t think the political slant belongs here. That being said we’re not talking about a slight salary bump. We’re talking about making at least 5x more than what he currently makes. You don’t turn down making generational wealth because you like one place a bit more than the other. If Vigen truly loves Bozeman and is offered the OSU job, he can go coach through a single contract there and live like a king wherever he wants when he’s done, including Bozeman. Some people are almost as delusional as Grizzlies when it comes to thinking Bozeman is the end all be all.

Or maybe, there's some of us that have experienced both places and can comment on the real world experience of living in each area.

I've lived in both places, and I don't agree with your take. Politics isn't life. A place or region can be a great place to live, even if the local policies and politics aren't great. Both can be true.

** This **

While living in Oregon is not perfect, it can be a great place to live (20 years in Bend).
That being said, I surely don't agree with all of Oregon State government policy or Portland politics....and, we get by just fine living in Oregon. Beats the hell out of living many places in the West.

Way worse places to live than Oregon. I'd argue not many better. But it's irrelevant. People take coaching jobs regardless. Kalen Deboer moved to effing Alabama for goodness sake. You been to the south in August? Give me the devils hell any day, at least there's no bugs there.

There are a lot of great coaching jobs in places that are total and complete sh*****les. Waco Tx. South Bend IN. Baton Rouge LA. Oklahoma City. Springfield MO. And some people on this thread would probably think that coaching in Seattle or Los Angeles or Palo Alto would also be s*******les. Hell, there are a ton of Bobcat fans on this thread that can't imagine living in the sh****hole that is Bozeman. And they come here every weekend for games.

We all make decisions for a variety of reasons. Lots of people live in places they don't love. And the places you like are probably different than the places I like.

This is just a stupid conversation.