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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by Cat Grad » Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:09 pm

bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:45 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:21 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:33 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:13 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:09 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:47 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:35 pm
Catsrgrood wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:33 pm
So.... this has gone quiet.
Anyone have any news or insight here?
I’d guess they are waiting for the end of the nfl regular season to announce Kellen Moore.
I actually saw a news report that they want to hire an AD first to be involved in the hire.... I think that is a big mistake if true.
Why? The AD should hire the coach. They’ve got to work together, be a good fit.
Hawks86 stated it well. And let’s say Boise State takes two more weeks for the AD job and hires some guy from Florida. That guy might want an SEC coach and the whole process starts again with uncertainty for players, recruits and boosters. And if Harsin never left, the new AD would have not had any input on a coaching hire anyway and would have had to work with the existing coach.
Who gives a rip if it takes another month to hire a coach? It’s the off-season!

I personally think anytime you have the two positions open at the same time, it’s best to hire the AD first. An exception would be if Nick Saban wants to come coach, but that ain’t happening here.

Again, personally, I would be skeptical of any group, or person, that would want to hire a 30 year old who has never coached a day of college football to lead a decently prominent program. Kellen Moore may be a very good offensive coach, but he’s never had to recruit, he’s never had to be in charge of a team, he’s never had to make all the decisions, he’s never coached 18 year olds. Coaching professionals and coaching kids is different. I would be very leery of that hire.

Anyways, people overrate where coaches come from. That matters in cases of connections and recruiting, but in general, I don’t care where they come from if they can coach well. Brian Wright came from Florida and did just fine. I don’t care if the process takes a few weeks longer if the process is done well.
I don't think you know a lot about Kellen Moore. Yes he is young but the has a lot on his resume other than just having played for Boise. When he went to the NFL I think it was Peterson that said that whoever got him was getting one one of the best future coaches out there.

I suppose that you thought that Naming Matt Miller to OC at his young age was a bad idea too.
World of difference between an OC and a HC. World of difference between Montana State and Boise State. They are not comparable situations.

All I’m saying is that hiring a young coach with zero college coaching history, and limited coaching history period, is a risky move. It isn’t a no-brainer. Furthermore, while Moore does appear to a coaching talent on the rise, and by all means a good coach, he has been an OC underneath two former offensive coaches. He did not have the ultimate authority in his role. I just think it’s a risky move that I wouldn’t take.
Billy Napier, Sean McVay...give me a break. Dennis Erickson just a couple years ago...



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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by Bobcatsinmso » Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:25 pm

VimSince03 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:58 pm
St George wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:46 am
I think Northeastern California (Boise) State should hire Bobby away from the Western School of Dance. They are both known for their abundance of bandwagon fans.
That would require Bobby to move away from his safe space....
:lol: He has been keeping a low profile lately, ....rumors of catching the rona are out there...


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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by Cat Grad » Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:03 pm

Cat Grad wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:09 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:45 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:21 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:33 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:13 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:09 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:47 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:35 pm
Catsrgrood wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:33 pm
So.... this has gone quiet.
Anyone have any news or insight here?
I’d guess they are waiting for the end of the nfl regular season to announce Kellen Moore.
I actually saw a news report that they want to hire an AD first to be involved in the hire.... I think that is a big mistake if true.
Why? The AD should hire the coach. They’ve got to work together, be a good fit.
Hawks86 stated it well. And let’s say Boise State takes two more weeks for the AD job and hires some guy from Florida. That guy might want an SEC coach and the whole process starts again with uncertainty for players, recruits and boosters. And if Harsin never left, the new AD would have not had any input on a coaching hire anyway and would have had to work with the existing coach.
Who gives a rip if it takes another month to hire a coach? It’s the off-season!

I personally think anytime you have the two positions open at the same time, it’s best to hire the AD first. An exception would be if Nick Saban wants to come coach, but that ain’t happening here.

Again, personally, I would be skeptical of any group, or person, that would want to hire a 30 year old who has never coached a day of college football to lead a decently prominent program. Kellen Moore may be a very good offensive coach, but he’s never had to recruit, he’s never had to be in charge of a team, he’s never had to make all the decisions, he’s never coached 18 year olds. Coaching professionals and coaching kids is different. I would be very leery of that hire.

Anyways, people overrate where coaches come from. That matters in cases of connections and recruiting, but in general, I don’t care where they come from if they can coach well. Brian Wright came from Florida and did just fine. I don’t care if the process takes a few weeks longer if the process is done well.
I don't think you know a lot about Kellen Moore. Yes he is young but the has a lot on his resume other than just having played for Boise. When he went to the NFL I think it was Peterson that said that whoever got him was getting one one of the best future coaches out there.

I suppose that you thought that Naming Matt Miller to OC at his young age was a bad idea too.
World of difference between an OC and a HC. World of difference between Montana State and Boise State. They are not comparable situations.

All I’m saying is that hiring a young coach with zero college coaching history, and limited coaching history period, is a risky move. It isn’t a no-brainer. Furthermore, while Moore does appear to a coaching talent on the rise, and by all means a good coach, he has been an OC underneath two former offensive coaches. He did not have the ultimate authority in his role. I just think it’s a risky move that I wouldn’t take.
Billy Napier, Sean McVay...give me a break. Dennis Erickson just a couple years ago...
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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by bobcat99 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:15 pm

Cat Grad wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:09 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:45 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:21 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:33 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:13 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:09 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:47 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:35 pm
Catsrgrood wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:33 pm
So.... this has gone quiet.
Anyone have any news or insight here?
I’d guess they are waiting for the end of the nfl regular season to announce Kellen Moore.
I actually saw a news report that they want to hire an AD first to be involved in the hire.... I think that is a big mistake if true.
Why? The AD should hire the coach. They’ve got to work together, be a good fit.
Hawks86 stated it well. And let’s say Boise State takes two more weeks for the AD job and hires some guy from Florida. That guy might want an SEC coach and the whole process starts again with uncertainty for players, recruits and boosters. And if Harsin never left, the new AD would have not had any input on a coaching hire anyway and would have had to work with the existing coach.
Who gives a rip if it takes another month to hire a coach? It’s the off-season!

I personally think anytime you have the two positions open at the same time, it’s best to hire the AD first. An exception would be if Nick Saban wants to come coach, but that ain’t happening here.

Again, personally, I would be skeptical of any group, or person, that would want to hire a 30 year old who has never coached a day of college football to lead a decently prominent program. Kellen Moore may be a very good offensive coach, but he’s never had to recruit, he’s never had to be in charge of a team, he’s never had to make all the decisions, he’s never coached 18 year olds. Coaching professionals and coaching kids is different. I would be very leery of that hire.

Anyways, people overrate where coaches come from. That matters in cases of connections and recruiting, but in general, I don’t care where they come from if they can coach well. Brian Wright came from Florida and did just fine. I don’t care if the process takes a few weeks longer if the process is done well.
I don't think you know a lot about Kellen Moore. Yes he is young but the has a lot on his resume other than just having played for Boise. When he went to the NFL I think it was Peterson that said that whoever got him was getting one one of the best future coaches out there.

I suppose that you thought that Naming Matt Miller to OC at his young age was a bad idea too.
World of difference between an OC and a HC. World of difference between Montana State and Boise State. They are not comparable situations.

All I’m saying is that hiring a young coach with zero college coaching history, and limited coaching history period, is a risky move. It isn’t a no-brainer. Furthermore, while Moore does appear to a coaching talent on the rise, and by all means a good coach, he has been an OC underneath two former offensive coaches. He did not have the ultimate authority in his role. I just think it’s a risky move that I wouldn’t take.
Billy Napier, Sean McVay...give me a break. Dennis Erickson just a couple years ago...
What points do you think you’re making here?

Billy Napier coached for almost 15 years before becoming a HC. Sean McVay coached entirely in the NFL. The entire crux of my concern is that Moore has never coached in college before. I think that’s a big deal to ask Moore to lead a college program when he has never coached at that level before. He has never had to recruit. Coaching in college and coaching in the NFL are very different things.

Dennis Erickson was a coach for 12 years before getting his first HC gig, and then he coached in college for about 13 years before moving on to the NFL. So none of your examples actually work.



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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by Cat Grad » Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:31 pm

bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:15 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:09 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:45 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:21 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:33 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:13 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:09 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:47 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:35 pm
Catsrgrood wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:33 pm
So.... this has gone quiet.
Anyone have any news or insight here?
I’d guess they are waiting for the end of the nfl regular season to announce Kellen Moore.
I actually saw a news report that they want to hire an AD first to be involved in the hire.... I think that is a big mistake if true.
Why? The AD should hire the coach. They’ve got to work together, be a good fit.
Hawks86 stated it well. And let’s say Boise State takes two more weeks for the AD job and hires some guy from Florida. That guy might want an SEC coach and the whole process starts again with uncertainty for players, recruits and boosters. And if Harsin never left, the new AD would have not had any input on a coaching hire anyway and would have had to work with the existing coach.
Who gives a rip if it takes another month to hire a coach? It’s the off-season!

I personally think anytime you have the two positions open at the same time, it’s best to hire the AD first. An exception would be if Nick Saban wants to come coach, but that ain’t happening here.

Again, personally, I would be skeptical of any group, or person, that would want to hire a 30 year old who has never coached a day of college football to lead a decently prominent program. Kellen Moore may be a very good offensive coach, but he’s never had to recruit, he’s never had to be in charge of a team, he’s never had to make all the decisions, he’s never coached 18 year olds. Coaching professionals and coaching kids is different. I would be very leery of that hire.

Anyways, people overrate where coaches come from. That matters in cases of connections and recruiting, but in general, I don’t care where they come from if they can coach well. Brian Wright came from Florida and did just fine. I don’t care if the process takes a few weeks longer if the process is done well.
I don't think you know a lot about Kellen Moore. Yes he is young but the has a lot on his resume other than just having played for Boise. When he went to the NFL I think it was Peterson that said that whoever got him was getting one one of the best future coaches out there.

I suppose that you thought that Naming Matt Miller to OC at his young age was a bad idea too.
World of difference between an OC and a HC. World of difference between Montana State and Boise State. They are not comparable situations.

All I’m saying is that hiring a young coach with zero college coaching history, and limited coaching history period, is a risky move. It isn’t a no-brainer. Furthermore, while Moore does appear to a coaching talent on the rise, and by all means a good coach, he has been an OC underneath two former offensive coaches. He did not have the ultimate authority in his role. I just think it’s a risky move that I wouldn’t take.
Billy Napier, Sean McVay...give me a break. Dennis Erickson just a couple years ago...
What points do you think you’re making here?

Billy Napier coached for almost 15 years before becoming a HC. Sean McVay coached entirely in the NFL. The entire crux of my concern is that Moore has never coached in college before. I think that’s a big deal to ask Moore to lead a college program when he has never coached at that level before. He has never had to recruit. Coaching in college and coaching in the NFL are very different things.

Dennis Erickson was a coach for 12 years before getting his first HC gig, and then he coached in college for about 13 years before moving on to the NFL. So none of your examples actually work.
Your arguments are worthless. You have issues with young coaches. Billy was 28 as an OC. You just like to argue. You're adjusting the narrative--again.

Kaz' kid ought to link up with Lane at the next NCAA Coaches clinic and move up.



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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by BleedingBLue » Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:43 pm

Hawks86 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:04 pm
Looks like they are going to hire the Baylor associate AD Jeramiah Dickey. I'd add Tom Herman to the list of candidates.
I would say if the AD hire happens before the coaching hire, Herman may jump to the top of the list. He isn't going to want to be a coordinator somewhere and he could do with Boise what he did with Houston and get a big time coaching gig again.



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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by Cat Grad » Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:48 pm

Cat Grad wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:31 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:15 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:09 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:45 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:21 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:33 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:13 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:09 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:47 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:35 pm


I’d guess they are waiting for the end of the nfl regular season to announce Kellen Moore.
I actually saw a news report that they want to hire an AD first to be involved in the hire.... I think that is a big mistake if true.
Why? The AD should hire the coach. They’ve got to work together, be a good fit.
Hawks86 stated it well. And let’s say Boise State takes two more weeks for the AD job and hires some guy from Florida. That guy might want an SEC coach and the whole process starts again with uncertainty for players, recruits and boosters. And if Harsin never left, the new AD would have not had any input on a coaching hire anyway and would have had to work with the existing coach.
Who gives a rip if it takes another month to hire a coach? It’s the off-season!

I personally think anytime you have the two positions open at the same time, it’s best to hire the AD first. An exception would be if Nick Saban wants to come coach, but that ain’t happening here.

Again, personally, I would be skeptical of any group, or person, that would want to hire a 30 year old who has never coached a day of college football to lead a decently prominent program. Kellen Moore may be a very good offensive coach, but he’s never had to recruit, he’s never had to be in charge of a team, he’s never had to make all the decisions, he’s never coached 18 year olds. Coaching professionals and coaching kids is different. I would be very leery of that hire.

Anyways, people overrate where coaches come from. That matters in cases of connections and recruiting, but in general, I don’t care where they come from if they can coach well. Brian Wright came from Florida and did just fine. I don’t care if the process takes a few weeks longer if the process is done well.
I don't think you know a lot about Kellen Moore. Yes he is young but the has a lot on his resume other than just having played for Boise. When he went to the NFL I think it was Peterson that said that whoever got him was getting one one of the best future coaches out there.

I suppose that you thought that Naming Matt Miller to OC at his young age was a bad idea too.
World of difference between an OC and a HC. World of difference between Montana State and Boise State. They are not comparable situations.

All I’m saying is that hiring a young coach with zero college coaching history, and limited coaching history period, is a risky move. It isn’t a no-brainer. Furthermore, while Moore does appear to a coaching talent on the rise, and by all means a good coach, he has been an OC underneath two former offensive coaches. He did not have the ultimate authority in his role. I just think it’s a risky move that I wouldn’t take.
Billy Napier, Sean McVay...give me a break. Dennis Erickson just a couple years ago...
What points do you think you’re making here?

Billy Napier coached for almost 15 years before becoming a HC. Sean McVay coached entirely in the NFL. The entire crux of my concern is that Moore has never coached in college before. I think that’s a big deal to ask Moore to lead a college program when he has never coached at that level before. He has never had to recruit. Coaching in college and coaching in the NFL are very different things.

Dennis Erickson was a coach for 12 years before getting his first HC gig, and then he coached in college for about 13 years before moving on to the NFL. So none of your examples actually work.
Your arguments are worthless. You have issues with young coaches. Billy was 28 as an OC. You just like to argue. You're adjusting the narrative--again.

Kaz' kid ought to link up with Lane at the next NCAA Coaches clinic and move up.
Dennis was 34 when he got the Idaho job. Moore is 32 now and I believe will be 33 when the season begins. Have to bear in mind what faith one must be to coach in Utah or Idaho...



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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by bobcat99 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:07 pm

Cat Grad wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:31 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:15 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:09 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:45 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:21 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:33 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:13 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:09 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:47 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:35 pm


I’d guess they are waiting for the end of the nfl regular season to announce Kellen Moore.
I actually saw a news report that they want to hire an AD first to be involved in the hire.... I think that is a big mistake if true.
Why? The AD should hire the coach. They’ve got to work together, be a good fit.
Hawks86 stated it well. And let’s say Boise State takes two more weeks for the AD job and hires some guy from Florida. That guy might want an SEC coach and the whole process starts again with uncertainty for players, recruits and boosters. And if Harsin never left, the new AD would have not had any input on a coaching hire anyway and would have had to work with the existing coach.
Who gives a rip if it takes another month to hire a coach? It’s the off-season!

I personally think anytime you have the two positions open at the same time, it’s best to hire the AD first. An exception would be if Nick Saban wants to come coach, but that ain’t happening here.

Again, personally, I would be skeptical of any group, or person, that would want to hire a 30 year old who has never coached a day of college football to lead a decently prominent program. Kellen Moore may be a very good offensive coach, but he’s never had to recruit, he’s never had to be in charge of a team, he’s never had to make all the decisions, he’s never coached 18 year olds. Coaching professionals and coaching kids is different. I would be very leery of that hire.

Anyways, people overrate where coaches come from. That matters in cases of connections and recruiting, but in general, I don’t care where they come from if they can coach well. Brian Wright came from Florida and did just fine. I don’t care if the process takes a few weeks longer if the process is done well.
I don't think you know a lot about Kellen Moore. Yes he is young but the has a lot on his resume other than just having played for Boise. When he went to the NFL I think it was Peterson that said that whoever got him was getting one one of the best future coaches out there.

I suppose that you thought that Naming Matt Miller to OC at his young age was a bad idea too.
World of difference between an OC and a HC. World of difference between Montana State and Boise State. They are not comparable situations.

All I’m saying is that hiring a young coach with zero college coaching history, and limited coaching history period, is a risky move. It isn’t a no-brainer. Furthermore, while Moore does appear to a coaching talent on the rise, and by all means a good coach, he has been an OC underneath two former offensive coaches. He did not have the ultimate authority in his role. I just think it’s a risky move that I wouldn’t take.
Billy Napier, Sean McVay...give me a break. Dennis Erickson just a couple years ago...
What points do you think you’re making here?

Billy Napier coached for almost 15 years before becoming a HC. Sean McVay coached entirely in the NFL. The entire crux of my concern is that Moore has never coached in college before. I think that’s a big deal to ask Moore to lead a college program when he has never coached at that level before. He has never had to recruit. Coaching in college and coaching in the NFL are very different things.

Dennis Erickson was a coach for 12 years before getting his first HC gig, and then he coached in college for about 13 years before moving on to the NFL. So none of your examples actually work.
Your arguments are worthless. You have issues with young coaches. Billy was 28 as an OC. You just like to argue. You're adjusting the narrative--again.

Kaz' kid ought to link up with Lane at the next NCAA Coaches clinic and move up.
The narrative in my last post was the exact same as it was in my first post.

I don’t have an issue with his age. I have an issue with his non-existent experience as a college coach.

It doesn’t matter though, bc Moore signed an extension with the Cowboys.



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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by Cat Grad » Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:14 pm

bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:07 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:31 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:15 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:09 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:45 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:21 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:33 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:13 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:09 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:47 pm


I actually saw a news report that they want to hire an AD first to be involved in the hire.... I think that is a big mistake if true.
Why? The AD should hire the coach. They’ve got to work together, be a good fit.
Hawks86 stated it well. And let’s say Boise State takes two more weeks for the AD job and hires some guy from Florida. That guy might want an SEC coach and the whole process starts again with uncertainty for players, recruits and boosters. And if Harsin never left, the new AD would have not had any input on a coaching hire anyway and would have had to work with the existing coach.
Who gives a rip if it takes another month to hire a coach? It’s the off-season!

I personally think anytime you have the two positions open at the same time, it’s best to hire the AD first. An exception would be if Nick Saban wants to come coach, but that ain’t happening here.

Again, personally, I would be skeptical of any group, or person, that would want to hire a 30 year old who has never coached a day of college football to lead a decently prominent program. Kellen Moore may be a very good offensive coach, but he’s never had to recruit, he’s never had to be in charge of a team, he’s never had to make all the decisions, he’s never coached 18 year olds. Coaching professionals and coaching kids is different. I would be very leery of that hire.

Anyways, people overrate where coaches come from. That matters in cases of connections and recruiting, but in general, I don’t care where they come from if they can coach well. Brian Wright came from Florida and did just fine. I don’t care if the process takes a few weeks longer if the process is done well.
I don't think you know a lot about Kellen Moore. Yes he is young but the has a lot on his resume other than just having played for Boise. When he went to the NFL I think it was Peterson that said that whoever got him was getting one one of the best future coaches out there.

I suppose that you thought that Naming Matt Miller to OC at his young age was a bad idea too.
World of difference between an OC and a HC. World of difference between Montana State and Boise State. They are not comparable situations.

All I’m saying is that hiring a young coach with zero college coaching history, and limited coaching history period, is a risky move. It isn’t a no-brainer. Furthermore, while Moore does appear to a coaching talent on the rise, and by all means a good coach, he has been an OC underneath two former offensive coaches. He did not have the ultimate authority in his role. I just think it’s a risky move that I wouldn’t take.
Billy Napier, Sean McVay...give me a break. Dennis Erickson just a couple years ago...
What points do you think you’re making here?

Billy Napier coached for almost 15 years before becoming a HC. Sean McVay coached entirely in the NFL. The entire crux of my concern is that Moore has never coached in college before. I think that’s a big deal to ask Moore to lead a college program when he has never coached at that level before. He has never had to recruit. Coaching in college and coaching in the NFL are very different things.

Dennis Erickson was a coach for 12 years before getting his first HC gig, and then he coached in college for about 13 years before moving on to the NFL. So none of your examples actually work.
Your arguments are worthless. You have issues with young coaches. Billy was 28 as an OC. You just like to argue. You're adjusting the narrative--again.

Kaz' kid ought to link up with Lane at the next NCAA Coaches clinic and move up.
The narrative in my last post was the exact same as it was in my first post.

I don’t have an issue with his age. I have an issue with his non-existent experience as a college coach.

It doesn’t matter though, bc Moore signed an extension with the Cowboys.
And you, therefore, chose to argue just to argue.

Care to speculate on what happens after all of this and conference affilations? I've talked with a few folks and it's going to be interesting, especially at the FCS level.



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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by exppi » Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:29 pm

Well, AD named so coach should follow shortly.

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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by PHAT CAT » Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:59 pm

Moore just resigned with Dallas. He's out of the running.



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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by bpcats20 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:06 pm

I think that the second Choate has his interview it will be hard for Boise not to hire him.



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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by Bobcatsinmso » Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:06 pm

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bobcat99 wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:57 pm
So, as some of you know, in very rare circumstances I have what they call “sources”. This, is one of those rare circumstances.


With the caveat that college football is crazy, and things change faster than Usain Bolt, here’s what I know.

Andy Avalos, DC of the Oregon Ducks, is the leading candidate. If he declines the job, we as Bobcat fans should be very nervous. Very nervous.

This concludes my time as an insider. Merry Christmas ya bastards!
Bump. Now that Moore is out....


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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by bpcats20 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:06 pm

I think that the second Choate has his interview it will be hard for Boise not to hire him.



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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by Montanabob » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:44 pm

bpcats20 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:06 pm
I think that the second Choate has his interview it will be hard for Boise not to hire him.
I think it will kill Choate's career if he takes the job. One and done with coaching. He would be better to stay in Bozeman a couple more years. ****** show in boise right now.


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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by Cataholic » Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:11 am

Montanabob wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:44 pm
bpcats20 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:06 pm
I think that the second Choate has his interview it will be hard for Boise not to hire him.
I think it will kill Choate's career if he takes the job. One and done with coaching. He would be better to stay in Bozeman a couple more years. ****** show in boise right now.
Boise State is still a Top 25 program. There last coach, Harsin was hired away to a Power 5 conference after an average season for Boise. This is a premier G5 job. If Choate was to fail there, he will still have suitors lined for FCS jobs based on what he has done in Bozeman. Choate is in a can’t lose situation.



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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by Cataholic » Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:31 am

bobcat99 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:33 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:13 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:09 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:47 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:35 pm
Catsrgrood wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:33 pm
So.... this has gone quiet.
Anyone have any news or insight here?
I’d guess they are waiting for the end of the nfl regular season to announce Kellen Moore.
I actually saw a news report that they want to hire an AD first to be involved in the hire.... I think that is a big mistake if true.
Why? The AD should hire the coach. They’ve got to work together, be a good fit.
Hawks86 stated it well. And let’s say Boise State takes two more weeks for the AD job and hires some guy from Florida. That guy might want an SEC coach and the whole process starts again with uncertainty for players, recruits and boosters. And if Harsin never left, the new AD would have not had any input on a coaching hire anyway and would have had to work with the existing coach.
Who gives a rip if it takes another month to hire a coach? It’s the off-season!

I personally think anytime you have the two positions open at the same time, it’s best to hire the AD first. An exception would be if Nick Saban wants to come coach, but that ain’t happening here.

Again, personally, I would be skeptical of any group, or person, that would want to hire a 30 year old who has never coached a day of college football to lead a decently prominent program. Kellen Moore may be a very good offensive coach, but he’s never had to recruit, he’s never had to be in charge of a team, he’s never had to make all the decisions, he’s never coached 18 year olds. Coaching professionals and coaching kids is different. I would be very leery of that hire.

Anyways, people overrate where coaches come from. That matters in cases of connections and recruiting, but in general, I don’t care where they come from if they can coach well. Brian Wright came from Florida and did just fine. I don’t care if the process takes a few weeks longer if the process is done well.
You pretty much repeated what I said earlier (in another post) about Kellen Moore. Regardless, he is staying in Dallas.

I would think Avalos is a good hire for BSU, but being a Coordinator at a PAC 12 school (Oregon nonetheless) can lead to a head coaching gig with another Power 5 school. If Avalos was not a Boise alum, he might not even consider the move. BSU should jump on him.

I disagree with your sentiment about waiting for a new AD. I guess we will find out since they hired the Baylor AD. BSU has a large number of kids from Texas on the roster so maybe if he hires a Texas coach, it could fit well with how they have succeeded in the past. If he goes with a coach out of the southeast though, it could have huge ramifications for recruiting. I was traveling for work in SEC country and I brought up BSU football during a meeting. The general sentiment of that group was that BSU was a program that didn’t merit national attention. It would be difficult to convince young men from that area to play in Idaho of all places. There are currently 5 kids from east of the Mississippi on the current roster.



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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by onceacat » Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:37 am

Cataholic wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:11 am
Montanabob wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:44 pm
bpcats20 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:06 pm
I think that the second Choate has his interview it will be hard for Boise not to hire him.
I think it will kill Choate's career if he takes the job. One and done with coaching. He would be better to stay in Bozeman a couple more years. ****** show in boise right now.
Boise State is still a Top 25 program. There last coach, Harsin was hired away to a Power 5 conference after an average season for Boise. This is a premier G5 job. If Choate was to fail there, he will still have suitors lined for FCS jobs based on what he has done in Bozeman. Choate is in a can’t lose situation.
I said it about 4 pages ago: it’s unheard of for an FCS coach to be offered this kind of gig. Top notch FCS coaches get offers at places at places in free fall or with zero chance of ever playing for a meaningful game...with the exception of Jim Tressell. Hell, how many national championships did Bohl win before he got “promoted” to HC in Laramie? Booby Hauck to UNLV, Chris Klieman to K-State, Jim Harbaugh to a 1 win Stanford team.

If Avalos turns the job down, and Choate gets an offer, he would be insane to turn the job down. Bat spit crazy insane.



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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by TomCat88 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:30 am



Moore is out. Three year deal. Probably similar pay to BSU, but he doesn’t have to interview and he now has a bee line to the Dallas head coaching position. No brainer and all but expected.


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Re: Choate to interview for Boise State job

Post by TomCat88 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 7:31 am

Camo_Cat wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:27 pm
CelticCat wrote:
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I joined the Boise State 247 VIP board (hey why not, free 7 day trial). It's all over the place, latest today is that "people in Oregon are hearing Kellen Moore turned the job down but they expect Avalos to accept".
Would be no surprise if Kellen Moore turned the job down. Keep in mind that Kellen might be a hot commodity in the NFL. Yes - the Cowboys sucked most of the season, but that was on their defense. Before Dak went out for the season and Zeke got banged up, the Cowboys had the NFL's number one offense. They just couldn't stop anybody. They're still one of the best offenses in the NFC. Kellen knows what he's doing. If he is gonna move down to college from the NFL, it's gonna have to be a bigger job than the Boise job. He might actually actually get his name thrown around in the NFL off-season as a possible head coach, or assistant coach. He has bigger opportunities waiting for him in the NFL potentially as opposed to the Boise job...
Camo_Cat is the winner of the Moore angle on all of this. If we had just stopped to think about it, it would’ve become very clear. I think a lot of people 8-[ just wanted someone to be “the choice” so they could put aside their dread.

Moore was dealt a great hand and appears to have played it masterfully. He knew that he was well liked in both Dallas and Boise and he turned that into a huge raise with very little effort exerted.

Within the next two years Dallas will either can McCarthy and hire Moore for at least double what Boise can pay him OR they’re going to watch Moore become the head coach at some other NFL team, again for at least two times what Boise can afford.

Jerry Jones calls Moore Tom Landry III, but he’s more like another Dallas character — JR Ewing.



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