Bobby Hauck is 7-8 vs the Cats

[St George]

Beavis is around for a while. Too many boosters with deep pockets like him. He won’t retire until the coaching staff includes Larry, Curly, and Mo. Booby, Timmy, and Robby.

[cats2506]

With the Cats whooping the Griz on Saturday, Bobby Hauck now has a losing record vs MSU. After going 5-2 in his first stint at UM, he has now gone 2-6 vs the Cats in his second stint. He has also not won in Bozeman since November 21, 2009 (16 years), and the Griz have not won in Bozeman since November 21, 2015 (10 years).

Some other fun Cat/Griz stats include the Cats lead the series 38-37 when both schools are in the same classification, and the Cats lead the Great Divide Trophy series (since 2000) 12-11.

Just thought you all might like to know!

38-37? What am I missing?
Since MSU announced it was moving to the NCAA in 1956, MSU went 22-8 from '56 to 1985, then 0-16 from 1986 to 2001, then 13-10 from 2002 to 2025 (excludes 2011 game and no game in 2020). That's 35-34.

Weren't they in the same division for a few years in an earlier era?

Maybe. Had to have been pre-1917 if so. MSU was in the RMAC from 1917 to 1956. UM was in what is now the PAC-2 beginning in 1902. That league was called the Northwest and then the PCC in 1915, and UM was in it until 1949. Then in 1951 they joined the Skyline Conference with BYU, Utah, Colorado, CSU, USU, Wyoming etc.

I just look at Cat-Griz as being on the same page starting in 1956. I call it the Modern Era of Cat-Griz.

The cats won the NAIA NC in 1956, the griz were NCAA major college that year. They were both NCAA in 1957.

MSU announced it was going to the NCAA in 1956 and thus began the Modern Era of the Cat-Griz sports rivalry. The Bobcats beat a NCAA team in 1956 and went 9-0-1 to earn its first national championship.

I always thought the win in 1956 was listed as NAIA? If not, what division would it have been considered?

It is NAIA
https://www.naia.org/sports/fball/Recor ... ip_Records

[TomCat88]

With the Cats whooping the Griz on Saturday, Bobby Hauck now has a losing record vs MSU. After going 5-2 in his first stint at UM, he has now gone 2-6 vs the Cats in his second stint. He has also not won in Bozeman since November 21, 2009 (16 years), and the Griz have not won in Bozeman since November 21, 2015 (10 years).

Some other fun Cat/Griz stats include the Cats lead the series 38-37 when both schools are in the same classification, and the Cats lead the Great Divide Trophy series (since 2000) 12-11.

Just thought you all might like to know!

38-37? What am I missing?
Since MSU announced it was moving to the NCAA in 1956, MSU went 22-8 from '56 to 1985, then 0-16 from 1986 to 2001, then 13-10 from 2002 to 2025 (excludes 2011 game and no game in 2020). That's 35-34.

Weren't they in the same division for a few years in an earlier era?

Maybe. Had to have been pre-1917 if so. MSU was in the RMAC from 1917 to 1956. UM was in what is now the PAC-2 beginning in 1902. That league was called the Northwest and then the PCC in 1915, and UM was in it until 1949. Then in 1951 they joined the Skyline Conference with BYU, Utah, Colorado, CSU, USU, Wyoming etc.

I just look at Cat-Griz as being on the same page starting in 1956. I call it the Modern Era of Cat-Griz.

The cats won the NAIA NC in 1956, the griz were NCAA major college that year. They were both NCAA in 1957.

MSU announced it was going to the NCAA in 1956 and thus began the Modern Era of the Cat-Griz sports rivalry. The Bobcats beat a NCAA team in 1956 and went 9-0-1 to earn its first national championship.

I always thought the win in 1956 was listed as NAIA? If not, what division would it have been considered?

It is NAIA
https://www.naia.org/sports/fball/Recor ... ip_Records

I wasn’t saying MSU wasn’t NAIA. MSU announced it was going to the NCAA in 1956.

The fact that MSU wasn’t NCAA in 1956 is irrelevant to me because why would you not count a win when you’re in a lower division? Similar to/same as being credited for a win but not a loss vs a FBS team.

[thefrank1]

Because the omparison period was defined as both in NCAA. Simple.

[jgrilley406]

With the Cats whooping the Griz on Saturday, Bobby Hauck now has a losing record vs MSU. After going 5-2 in his first stint at UM, he has now gone 2-6 vs the Cats in his second stint. He has also not won in Bozeman since November 21, 2009 (16 years), and the Griz have not won in Bozeman since November 21, 2015 (10 years).

Some other fun Cat/Griz stats include the Cats lead the series 38-37 when both schools are in the same classification, and the Cats lead the Great Divide Trophy series (since 2000) 12-11.

Just thought you all might like to know!

38-37? What am I missing?
Since MSU announced it was moving to the NCAA in 1956, MSU went 22-8 from '56 to 1985, then 0-16 from 1986 to 2001, then 13-10 from 2002 to 2025 (excludes 2011 game and no game in 2020). That's 35-34.

Weren't they in the same division for a few years in an earlier era?

Maybe. Had to have been pre-1917 if so. MSU was in the RMAC from 1917 to 1956. UM was in what is now the PAC-2 beginning in 1902. That league was called the Northwest and then the PCC in 1915, and UM was in it until 1949. Then in 1951 they joined the Skyline Conference with BYU, Utah, Colorado, CSU, USU, Wyoming etc.

I just look at Cat-Griz as being on the same page starting in 1956. I call it the Modern Era of Cat-Griz.

The cats won the NAIA NC in 1956, the griz were NCAA major college that year. They were both NCAA in 1957.

MSU announced it was going to the NCAA in 1956 and thus began the Modern Era of the Cat-Griz sports rivalry. The Bobcats beat a NCAA team in 1956 and went 9-0-1 to earn its first national championship.

I always thought the win in 1956 was listed as NAIA? If not, what division would it have been considered?

It is NAIA
https://www.naia.org/sports/fball/Recor ... ip_Records

I wasn’t saying MSU wasn’t NAIA. MSU announced it was going to the NCAA in 1956.

The fact that MSU wasn’t NCAA in 1956 is irrelevant to me because why would you not count a win when you’re in a lower division? Similar to/same as being credited for a win but not a loss vs a FBS team.

You can count it and you can chant it a say it proudly as part of your overall record as griz fans do but it just sounds foolish…could you imagine when Tech beat the griz this year in basketball and all of a sudden you start hearing the student section start chanting the overall record between the two schools. no you couldn’t because it would be absolutely embarrassing for them to part take in such a thing because you’d expect the griz to have a better record than Tech in the series.

[Mtcatfan]

With the Cats whooping the Griz on Saturday, Bobby Hauck now has a losing record vs MSU. After going 5-2 in his first stint at UM, he has now gone 2-6 vs the Cats in his second stint. He has also not won in Bozeman since November 21, 2009 (16 years), and the Griz have not won in Bozeman since November 21, 2015 (10 years).

Some other fun Cat/Griz stats include the Cats lead the series 38-37 when both schools are in the same classification, and the Cats lead the Great Divide Trophy series (since 2000) 12-11.

Just thought you all might like to know!

38-37? What am I missing?
Since MSU announced it was moving to the NCAA in 1956, MSU went 22-8 from '56 to 1985, then 0-16 from 1986 to 2001, then 13-10 from 2002 to 2025 (excludes 2011 game and no game in 2020). That's 35-34.

Weren't they in the same division for a few years in an earlier era?

Maybe. Had to have been pre-1917 if so. MSU was in the RMAC from 1917 to 1956. UM was in what is now the PAC-2 beginning in 1902. That league was called the Northwest and then the PCC in 1915, and UM was in it until 1949. Then in 1951 they joined the Skyline Conference with BYU, Utah, Colorado, CSU, USU, Wyoming etc.

I just look at Cat-Griz as being on the same page starting in 1956. I call it the Modern Era of Cat-Griz.

The cats won the NAIA NC in 1956, the griz were NCAA major college that year. They were both NCAA in 1957.

MSU announced it was going to the NCAA in 1956 and thus began the Modern Era of the Cat-Griz sports rivalry. The Bobcats beat a NCAA team in 1956 and went 9-0-1 to earn its first national championship.

I always thought the win in 1956 was listed as NAIA? If not, what division would it have been considered?

It is NAIA
https://www.naia.org/sports/fball/Recor ... ip_Records

I wasn’t saying MSU wasn’t NAIA. MSU announced it was going to the NCAA in 1956.

The fact that MSU wasn’t NCAA in 1956 is irrelevant to me because why would you not count a win when you’re in a lower division? Similar to/same as being credited for a win but not a loss vs a FBS team.

I agree Tom. So we were NAIA but we beat a team that was NCAA is how I’m reading your post?

[RickRund]

Thought I would check and the Gris lead 6-2…

[TomCat88]

With the Cats whooping the Griz on Saturday, Bobby Hauck now has a losing record vs MSU. After going 5-2 in his first stint at UM, he has now gone 2-6 vs the Cats in his second stint. He has also not won in Bozeman since November 21, 2009 (16 years), and the Griz have not won in Bozeman since November 21, 2015 (10 years).

Some other fun Cat/Griz stats include the Cats lead the series 38-37 when both schools are in the same classification, and the Cats lead the Great Divide Trophy series (since 2000) 12-11.

Just thought you all might like to know!

38-37? What am I missing?
Since MSU announced it was moving to the NCAA in 1956, MSU went 22-8 from '56 to 1985, then 0-16 from 1986 to 2001, then 13-10 from 2002 to 2025 (excludes 2011 game and no game in 2020). That's 35-34.

Weren't they in the same division for a few years in an earlier era?

Maybe. Had to have been pre-1917 if so. MSU was in the RMAC from 1917 to 1956. UM was in what is now the PAC-2 beginning in 1902. That league was called the Northwest and then the PCC in 1915, and UM was in it until 1949. Then in 1951 they joined the Skyline Conference with BYU, Utah, Colorado, CSU, USU, Wyoming etc.

I just look at Cat-Griz as being on the same page starting in 1956. I call it the Modern Era of Cat-Griz.

The cats won the NAIA NC in 1956, the griz were NCAA major college that year. They were both NCAA in 1957.

MSU announced it was going to the NCAA in 1956 and thus began the Modern Era of the Cat-Griz sports rivalry. The Bobcats beat a NCAA team in 1956 and went 9-0-1 to earn its first national championship.

I always thought the win in 1956 was listed as NAIA? If not, what division would it have been considered?

It is NAIA
https://www.naia.org/sports/fball/Recor ... ip_Records

I wasn’t saying MSU wasn’t NAIA. MSU announced it was going to the NCAA in 1956.

The fact that MSU wasn’t NCAA in 1956 is irrelevant to me because why would you not count a win when you’re in a lower division? Similar to/same as being credited for a win but not a loss vs a FBS team.

I agree Tom. So we were NAIA but we beat a team that was NCAA is how I’m reading your post?

Thanks. I’m obviously not explaining it well, but at least you get it.

[lutecat]

I noticed in a few closeups of him during interviews, and on the sidelines, he looks...old. Now, he is 60 and Vigen is about 10 years younger I think, but he just seems a bit haggard to me. He said in his post game that he's loved being the head coach this year, loved his players, etc. But he just looks really tired. I'm sure after Cat-Griz he was getting alot of "you better beat them next time" comments from boosters. Can't imagine the texts and calls he got after Saturday but I doubt they were kind. Maybe he'll surprise us all and bow out gracefully after the first of the year. An 11-1 record is likely not in the cards for next year, nor is beating the Cats in Bozeman for Cat-Griz. Just not sure he can take another loss to the Cats; the tar and feathers might come out lol.

Maybe I'm feeling a bit sentimental around the holidays, but here's the deal. I am going to get lambasted for this but I kind of feel sorry for him. Hear me out. Yes he's a total dick, douchebag, a$$hole towards everything Bobcats... but I have heard from so many people that if you get him away from all that, he's actually a good guy and fun to be around, having beers on the river, etc. I talked to his sister at a house party several years back and she was incredibly cool and nice. It's the majority of the mouth breathing Griz Nation fan base that is the problem. They expect and demand that he treats the Cats like garbage..... and he knows who butters his bread. Flame away.

Plus, when you grow up getting beat up by your older brother, and keep thinking "some day...", and then you become bigger and stronger than him and start beating his ass over and over and over and over again, and know that he'll never get back on top, it starts to get old.

I’ve heard this for years, and I get it, he probably is a guy you can sit down and have a beer with and is not all bad. I’d imagine he is actually.

But after 14 years of seeing his public “persona” in the rivalry, I don’t really care.

The old saying “when someone shows you who they are, believe them” applies here.

His back handed “compliments” after a loss, inability to give credit where credit is due the vast majority of the time, not staying in Bozeman because he won’t spend money here (while his daughter attended and graduated from MSU), his absolute inability to win gracefully (“battle of the brawl or whatever, I call it an ass kicking” comment in 23’ comes to mind) even though that was only 1 of 2 wins he’s had in his 7 years back, and the list can go on.

I for one hope like crazy he’s back next year, in Bobcat stadium, and gets run out of the place again and becomes the all time leader in Cat/gris losses for either team, in the process.

I don’t hate him, that’s extreme, it’s just a game that I have no influence over, but I don’t lose sleep at night feeling sorry for him, that’s for sure.

...daughters.... he has twin daughters that i belive both came here.

[lutecat]

I know.a guy that is in the qb club at um and he tells me its all a bunch of guys wanting Bobby's attention. You aren't going to hear criticism or calls for change for those of you that think thats what will happen.

Also look how many HS kids signed with them. He doesn't have room for 40 transfers. My guess is they ride way more with who's already there right now. I remember Colter saying something last year? About them brining in a bunch of guys that didnt play right away and maybe it was restocking the coffers with future guys not right now guys. Alot of young transfers.

[BOBCATBORN]

I know.a guy that is in the qb club at um and he tells me its all a bunch of guys wanting Bobby's attention. You aren't going to hear criticism or calls for change for those of you that think thats what will happen.

Also look how many HS kids signed with them. He doesn't have room for 40 transfers. My guess is they ride way more with who's already there right now. I remember Colter saying something last year? About them brining in a bunch of guys that didnt play right away and maybe it was restocking the coffers with future guys not right now guys. Alot of young transfers.

If this is true, they may be in for a world of hurt next year. It showed that they didn’t have depth when they did have to play the 2s and 3s in normal game time (look at the EWU game). They also got very minimal game time from the games I watched. They have a lot of seniors to replace, will be interesting to see who can do it.