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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by ilovethecats » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:07 pm

I’ve read that. But I’m curious what you’re trying to say?

I have no clue if this drug can do anything for Covid. Maybe it can’t. But as your link shows, it’s been around forever and has had success.

Do you think the drug knows if a person thinks he has malaria or if a person thinks he has Corona? If it knows you have malaria it’s safe as can be but if it knows you have Corona it gives you a heart attack?

What are you saying with your links?



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:58 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:07 pm
I’ve read that. But I’m curious what you’re trying to say?

I have no clue if this drug can do anything for Covid. Maybe it can’t. But as your link shows, it’s been around forever and has had success.

Do you think the drug knows if a person thinks he has malaria or if a person thinks he has Corona? If it knows you have malaria it’s safe as can be but if it knows you have Corona it gives you a heart attack?

What are you saying with your links?
“Taking the wrong medication, the wrong dosage of medication, or a medication that has a bad reaction with another drug can have dangerous side effects, including permanent disability or death.”

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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by The Butcher » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:49 am

Cataholic wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:44 pm
Posters like The Butcher and Hokeyfine have Trump derangement syndrome. They simply want Trump to fail. If Biden said that hydro chloroquine worked, it would be a wonder drug to the left.
Your statement is untrue. I do not want our president to fail America. I do not want 150,000 dead Americans. I do not want to see unemployment hit record highs. I do not want to see the GDP drop 32%. The reality is that all of this is happening under POTUS who has and continues to fail all Americans.



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Post by arvcat2 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:28 am

Well looky here:

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/07/29/ ... mask-zone/

The city of Aspen Colorado, a bastion of the elite limousine liberals, expanded their mask ordinance to include outdoors and extended the order until....wait for it...November 4th of this year. I sh#t you not. I'm pretty sure November 4th isn't the start of their snow dance festival. Oh, but coronamania isn't politicized :roll:



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by catatac » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:53 am

The Butcher wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:49 am
Cataholic wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:44 pm
Posters like The Butcher and Hokeyfine have Trump derangement syndrome. They simply want Trump to fail. If Biden said that hydro chloroquine worked, it would be a wonder drug to the left.
Your statement is untrue. I do not want our president to fail America. I do not want 150,000 dead Americans. I do not want to see unemployment hit record highs. I do not want to see the GDP drop 32%. The reality is that all of this is happening under POTUS who has and continues to fail all Americans.
So, I assume you were happy with how Trump was doing right up until the virus, when the economy, unemployment rates, foreign relations..... were arguably the best they've ever been?


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by The Butcher » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:43 am

catatac wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:53 am
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:49 am
Cataholic wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:44 pm
Posters like The Butcher and Hokeyfine have Trump derangement syndrome. They simply want Trump to fail. If Biden said that hydro chloroquine worked, it would be a wonder drug to the left.
Your statement is untrue. I do not want our president to fail America. I do not want 150,000 dead Americans. I do not want to see unemployment hit record highs. I do not want to see the GDP drop 32%. The reality is that all of this is happening under POTUS who has and continues to fail all Americans.
So, I assume you were happy with how Trump was doing right up until the virus, when the economy, unemployment rates, foreign relations..... were arguably the best they've ever been?
Trump has been terrible since he was elected. I wish he wasn't a failure, but he is.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by hokeyfine » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:06 am

ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:07 pm
I’ve read that. But I’m curious what you’re trying to say?

I have no clue if this drug can do anything for Covid. Maybe it can’t. But as your link shows, it’s been around forever and has had success.

Do you think the drug knows if a person thinks he has malaria or if a person thinks he has Corona? If it knows you have malaria it’s safe as can be but if it knows you have Corona it gives you a heart attack?

What are you saying with your links?
a previous poster had made the claim that hydroxychloroquine was as safe as aspirin and that there weren't side effects. And that the current heart rhythm problems were never around before and so it must be some sort of conspiracy theory. The fda link showed that the use of it(in covid patients) was stopped because of heart rhythm problems and the other link showed side effects(heart rhythm, etc.) that have always been associated with the drug.
Hydroxychlorquine doesn't know if you have malaria.... it knows if you have Plasmodium. To simply give someone a medication because of anecdotal evidence is reckless and dangerous. Thats why clinical trials are done.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by hokeyfine » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:13 am

The Butcher wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:49 am
Cataholic wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:44 pm
Posters like The Butcher and Hokeyfine have Trump derangement syndrome. They simply want Trump to fail. If Biden said that hydro chloroquine worked, it would be a wonder drug to the left.
Your statement is untrue. I do not want our president to fail America. I do not want 150,000 dead Americans. I do not want to see unemployment hit record highs. I do not want to see the GDP drop 32%. The reality is that all of this is happening under POTUS who has and continues to fail all Americans.
please provide any statement that i want trump to fail. if biden were to roll out a physician that claims a certain drug works, but also believes in celestial sex and alien dna is being used in vaccines, then i would be giving the same eye roll as im giving now. :roll:



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by ilovethecats » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:26 am

hokeyfine wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:06 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:07 pm
I’ve read that. But I’m curious what you’re trying to say?

I have no clue if this drug can do anything for Covid. Maybe it can’t. But as your link shows, it’s been around forever and has had success.

Do you think the drug knows if a person thinks he has malaria or if a person thinks he has Corona? If it knows you have malaria it’s safe as can be but if it knows you have Corona it gives you a heart attack?

What are you saying with your links?
a previous poster had made the claim that hydroxychloroquine was as safe as aspirin and that there weren't side effects. And that the current heart rhythm problems were never around before and so it must be some sort of conspiracy theory. The fda link showed that the use of it(in covid patients) was stopped because of heart rhythm problems and the other link showed side effects(heart rhythm, etc.) that have always been associated with the drug.
Hydroxychlorquine doesn't know if you have malaria.... it knows if you have Plasmodium. To simply give someone a medication because of anecdotal evidence is reckless and dangerous. Thats why clinical trials are done.
Ah, gotcha. Thanks. I was just trying to piece it together.

Personally, I think Trump ruined the whole thing by acting like it was some miracle drug. In this climate where everyone seems to be on one side or the other no matter what, I thought that was a big mistake. Now suddenly it's a topic almost bigger than the virus itself. That is a shame.

There are some pretty smart people out there, like the Yale epidemiologist that maintains this drug could help fight Covid. Others have backed up that claim. But like everything else unfortunately, everything today is all or nothing. Now you need to believe this is some miracle cure and people are idiots for not using it....or you believe it's a stupid drug that could no way help anyone and anyone who believes it could is a stupid idiot.

My guess is this drug falls somewhere in the middle. I bet it could help some people fight off the virus. I bet it would give other people serious side effects that could even result in death. Like every other drug on the market I suppose.



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Post by 91catAlum » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:33 pm

hokeyfine wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:06 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:07 pm
I’ve read that. But I’m curious what you’re trying to say?

I have no clue if this drug can do anything for Covid. Maybe it can’t. But as your link shows, it’s been around forever and has had success.

Do you think the drug knows if a person thinks he has malaria or if a person thinks he has Corona? If it knows you have malaria it’s safe as can be but if it knows you have Corona it gives you a heart attack?

What are you saying with your links?
a previous poster had made the claim that hydroxychloroquine was as safe as aspirin and that there weren't side effects. And that the current heart rhythm problems were never around before and so it must be some sort of conspiracy theory. The fda link showed that the use of it(in covid patients) was stopped because of heart rhythm problems and the other link showed side effects(heart rhythm, etc.) that have always been associated with the drug.
Hydroxychlorquine doesn't know if you have malaria.... it knows if you have Plasmodium. To simply give someone a medication because of anecdotal evidence is reckless and dangerous. Thats why clinical trials are done.
No, thats not at all what I said. I'd appreciate it if you don't misrepresent and exaggerate my words please.
I said over its 65 years, its safety record is CLOSE to as good as Aspirin, which is 100% true.
I never said there were no side effects. Please show me where I said that??? you just made that up out of thin air.
I never said it was a conspiracy, you also completely made that up out of thin air. I think there might be a problem with the study that came out in June that stated it wasn't safe, not a conspiracy. This study seems to fly in the face of the 65 year history of the drug. There are many more studies that show HCQ is safe as opposed to unsafe. This is 100% true also.
Why is it not OK with democrats to ever ask questions about things that don't seem to add up?? Why is this such a problem?
If you want to have a discussion then stop lying about what I said.


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Post by codecat » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:43 pm

The Media Sabotage of Hydroxychloroquine Use for COVID-19: Doctors Worldwide Protest the Disaster
The Media Sabotage of Hydroxychloroquine Use for COVID-19: Doctors Worldwide Protest the Disaster
When did the hydroxychloroquine “controversy” first appear?

Santa Monica cariologist Dr. Dan Wohlgelernter reported on June 18 that “there was never controversy about hydroxychloroquine right up until March 20, 2020.”[x]

He was referring to Donald Trump’s tweet of March 21:

“When did the hydroxychloroquine “controversy” first appear?

Santa Monica cariologist Dr. Dan Wohlgelernter reported on June 18 that “there was never controversy about hydroxychloroquine right up until March 20, 2020.”[x]

He was referring to Donald Trump’s tweet of March 21:

“HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine. The FDA has moved mountains – Thank You! Hopefully they will BOTH (H works better with A, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents)…..”[xi]

Dr. Wohlgelernter continues:

“We had data from China and from France well before that in February showing a significant beneficial impact of hydroxychloroquine – yet you saw physicians, politicians, journalists, saying that hydroxychloroquine is all hype and it’s all due to the president pushing it. That’s revisionist history.

The fact is there was a great deal of excitement in the medical community internationally a month before President Trump ever mentioned it, because of the data reported from China and from Dr. Raoult in France and it said that people used whatever political animosity they had towards the President to attack the medication that in fact had helped many people with coronavirus and could have helped many more had it and its reputation not been so sullied by political accusations and by poorly designed studies and by medical journals allowing publications that were negative as far as their conclusions – publications that never should have reached print because they hadn’t been adequately vetted.[xii]
One of the deepest pockets behind the Anti-American Left didn't care how many Jews he assisted in killing by turning his fellow Jews into Hitler to save his own ass, and the Left just did it again with HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN.


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Cataholic » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:50 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:49 am
Cataholic wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:44 pm
Posters like The Butcher and Hokeyfine have Trump derangement syndrome. They simply want Trump to fail. If Biden said that hydro chloroquine worked, it would be a wonder drug to the left.
Your statement is untrue. I do not want our president to fail America. I do not want 150,000 dead Americans. I do not want to see unemployment hit record highs. I do not want to see the GDP drop 32%. The reality is that all of this is happening under POTUS who has and continues to fail all Americans.
Then how about trying to be part of the solution? Your constant attacking of anything Trump only makes you look childish. There is so much wrong in this country right now and much of it stems directly from the left. Your treatment of Hydrochloroquin is a great example. This doctor was one of a handful that believes hydrochloroquin works.

And to blame this whole Covid crisis on Trump is idiotic. How many examples exist where Democratic leaders cost people lives? New York is example number one.



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Post by codecat » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:53 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:50 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:49 am
Cataholic wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:44 pm
Posters like The Butcher and Hokeyfine have Trump derangement syndrome. They simply want Trump to fail. If Biden said that hydro chloroquine worked, it would be a wonder drug to the left.
Your statement is untrue. I do not want our president to fail America. I do not want 150,000 dead Americans. I do not want to see unemployment hit record highs. I do not want to see the GDP drop 32%. The reality is that all of this is happening under POTUS who has and continues to fail all Americans.
Then how about trying to be part of the solution? Your constant attacking of anything Trump only makes you look childish. There is so much wrong in this country right now and much of it stems directly from the left. Your treatment of Hydrochloroquin is a great example. This doctor was one of a handful that believes hydrochloroquin works.

And to blame this whole Covid crisis on Trump is idiotic. How many examples exist where Democratic leaders cost people lives? New York is example number one.
Way more than a handful my friend:
The Media Sabotage of Hydroxychloroquine Use for COVID-19: Doctors Worldwide Protest the Disaster
https://www.globalresearch.ca/media-sab ... er/5717382


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by iaafan » Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:33 am



Here's another republican getting schooled on hydroxychloroquine. If you're still a believer, you should definitely watch this one.



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Post by hokeyfine » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:44 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:26 am
hokeyfine wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:06 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:07 pm
I’ve read that. But I’m curious what you’re trying to say?

I have no clue if this drug can do anything for Covid. Maybe it can’t. But as your link shows, it’s been around forever and has had success.

Do you think the drug knows if a person thinks he has malaria or if a person thinks he has Corona? If it knows you have malaria it’s safe as can be but if it knows you have Corona it gives you a heart attack?

What are you saying with your links?
a previous poster had made the claim that hydroxychloroquine was as safe as aspirin and that there weren't side effects. And that the current heart rhythm problems were never around before and so it must be some sort of conspiracy theory. The fda link showed that the use of it(in covid patients) was stopped because of heart rhythm problems and the other link showed side effects(heart rhythm, etc.) that have always been associated with the drug.
Hydroxychlorquine doesn't know if you have malaria.... it knows if you have Plasmodium. To simply give someone a medication because of anecdotal evidence is reckless and dangerous. Thats why clinical trials are done.
Ah, gotcha. Thanks. I was just trying to piece it together.

Personally, I think Trump ruined the whole thing by acting like it was some miracle drug. In this climate where everyone seems to be on one side or the other no matter what, I thought that was a big mistake. Now suddenly it's a topic almost bigger than the virus itself. That is a shame.

There are some pretty smart people out there, like the Yale epidemiologist that maintains this drug could help fight Covid. Others have backed up that claim. But like everything else unfortunately, everything today is all or nothing. Now you need to believe this is some miracle cure and people are idiots for not using it....or you believe it's a stupid drug that could no way help anyone and anyone who believes it could is a stupid idiot.

My guess is this drug falls somewhere in the middle. I bet it could help some people fight off the virus. I bet it would give other people serious side effects that could even result in death. Like every other drug on the market I suppose.
and you could very well be right.... but a clinical trial needs to be done specifically for covid patients and the results scrutinized by the fda to determine if the data shows it works for covid patients.



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Post by hokeyfine » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:58 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:33 pm
hokeyfine wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:06 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:07 pm
I’ve read that. But I’m curious what you’re trying to say?

I have no clue if this drug can do anything for Covid. Maybe it can’t. But as your link shows, it’s been around forever and has had success.

Do you think the drug knows if a person thinks he has malaria or if a person thinks he has Corona? If it knows you have malaria it’s safe as can be but if it knows you have Corona it gives you a heart attack?

What are you saying with your links?
a previous poster had made the claim that hydroxychloroquine was as safe as aspirin and that there weren't side effects. And that the current heart rhythm problems were never around before and so it must be some sort of conspiracy theory. The fda link showed that the use of it(in covid patients) was stopped because of heart rhythm problems and the other link showed side effects(heart rhythm, etc.) that have always been associated with the drug.
Hydroxychlorquine doesn't know if you have malaria.... it knows if you have Plasmodium. To simply give someone a medication because of anecdotal evidence is reckless and dangerous. Thats why clinical trials are done.
No, thats not at all what I said. I'd appreciate it if you don't misrepresent and exaggerate my words please.
I said over its 65 years, its safety record is CLOSE to as good as Aspirin, which is 100% true.
I never said there were no side effects. Please show me where I said that??? you just made that up out of thin air.
I never said it was a conspiracy, you also completely made that up out of thin air. I think there might be a problem with the study that came out in June that stated it wasn't safe, not a conspiracy. This study seems to fly in the face of the 65 year history of the drug. There are many more studies that show HCQ is safe as opposed to unsafe. This is 100% true also.
Why is it not OK with democrats to ever ask questions about things that don't seem to add up?? Why is this such a problem?
If you want to have a discussion then stop lying about what I said.
ok, i can play this....
safe as vs close..... splitting hairs
you said that there was never heart problems before now, which is not true as stated by the tox sheet that i posted.
you never said the word conspiracy, but you are so eluding to that.
hydroxychloroquine is safe to use for malaria. i have no problem with a clinical trial using the drug with covid patients, then having the data scrutinized by the fda to see if it works. if it does, great. if it doesn't then at least we've had a real scientific clinical trial to prove or disprove its ability to therapeutically help covid patients.



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Post by TomCat88 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:45 pm

researchers have discovered mold growing inside a reactor at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant could help protect astronauts in space.

There’s hope for hydroxychloroquine yet!


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Post by TomCat88 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:57 pm

Here ye, here ye, step right up folks and get yourself a bottle of " Trump's Magical Elixir" cures everything from unemployment, racial discrimination, Mexican caravans and covid 19. Can even keep your relatives from visiting!


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Post by codecat » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:23 pm

iaafan wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:33 am


Here's another republican getting schooled on hydroxychloroquine. If you're still a believer, you should definitely watch this one.
Dr. Fauci lost some credibility with me when he has been on both sides of the mask issue. First in-step with his coaches on the left to not wear mask and then again with his buddies on the left he changed his mind.

It was Liberal Left and the media that owns them, who ignored Coronavirus choosing to focus on impeachment instead, and when they finally did comment on the virus it was to attack President Trump for taking the bold decisive action to save American lives by cutting off travel from China and from Europe.


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