Does Ah Yat Crumble

[RyeCat]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

This.

That offense has too many pieces for anybody to “crumble.” This is just another broken talking point that people make up to drum up controversy.

I'm not so sure about this. The 2023 MSU offense was also stacked and they fell apart in Missoula.

That doesn't guarantee that it will happen to Lamson and this offense, but it's not a baseless narrative.

Cats defense is also better this year. If the offense sputters early the defense can absolutely keep it close, especially if they pressure ah yat and Wortham is held in check.

good luck with that

Not sure we need it. Every QB we’ve faced has done worse than their average, with the exclusion of Jordan Cooke who racked up around 60 garbage tune yards against backups.

Pinnick of UC Davis leads the conference in passing yards per game and we handled him fine. The Griz will get theirs, but you haven’t played a defense like us yet. We’ve faced a better QB already. I’m not too worried.

Ah Yat leads the conference in passing yards. Pinnick in overall efficiency with Lamson right behind him. KAY is near the bottom in overall QB rating.

[golden77]

The Choatester figured out how to beat the Griz in Missoula, he also proved you can weather the environment and come back and win. Remember the miracle in Missoula, the cats were down 22 to 0. Although everyone remembers the huge fumble on the goal line as the play of the game, and it was, I remember in the second half the cats just kept picking away and finally took the lead. The fumble was just icing on the cake. The griz will have huge momentum gains but I think defense will keep us locked in until the offense finds their grove.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

This.

That offense has too many pieces for anybody to “crumble.” This is just another broken talking point that people make up to drum up controversy.

I'm not so sure about this. The 2023 MSU offense was also stacked and they fell apart in Missoula.

That doesn't guarantee that it will happen to Lamson and this offense, but it's not a baseless narrative.

Cats defense is also better this year. If the offense sputters early the defense can absolutely keep it close, especially if they pressure ah yat and Wortham is held in check.

good luck with that

Not sure we need it. Every QB we’ve faced has done worse than their average, with the exclusion of Jordan Cooke who racked up around 60 garbage tune yards against backups.

Pinnick of UC Davis leads the conference in passing yards per game and we handled him fine. The Griz will get theirs, but you haven’t played a defense like us yet. We’ve faced a better QB already. I’m not too worried.

Ah Yat leads the conference in passing yards. Pinnick in overall efficiency with Lamson right behind him. KAY is near the bottom in overall QB rating.

Like I said, in conference play Pinnick leads in passing yards per game. Lamson is ahead of Pinnick in efficiency, and then there’s a pretty big gap between him and KAY.

[cat_stache_fever]

Feel like playing Pinnick last Saturday is a blessing in disguise. KAY is fairly athletic but not close to what Pinnick is. I think our Dline can and will get KAY running around. Can see him getting teed up a few times.

[golden77]

I think we are going to see Ah Yat rolling out a lot on some of their early drives to try and neutralize the cats rush. I can't remember which game I was watching the griz play but Ah Yat rolled right multiple times on their opening drive. You can also just about guarantee they will try and do a double pass with Wortham at some point of the game, he was a high school quarterback. He could also be used as a passer out of a sweep. I also believe that Hauck will use trick plays from anywhere at anytime. Fake punts, fake field goals, double passes, passes out of sweeps and going for it often on 4 down. Hauck is not getting any younger and he knows this might be his best chance to finally win a national championship. He's been to the big show a few times but hasn't been able to pull off the big one, and you know he wants to get that monkey off his back.

[GoldstoneCat]

I think we are going to see Ah Yat rolling out a lot on some of their early drives to try and neutralize the cats rush. I can't remember which game I was watching the griz play but Ah Yat rolled right multiple times on their opening drive. You can also just about guarantee they will try and do a double pass with Wortham at some point of the game, he was a high school quarterback. He could also be used as a passer out of a sweep. I also believe that Hauck will use trick plays from anywhere at anytime. Fake punts, fake field goals, double passes, passes out of sweeps and going for it often on 4 down. Hauck is not getting any younger and he knows this might be his best chance to finally win a national championship. He's been to the big show a few times but hasn't been able to pull off the big one, and you know he wants to get that monkey off his back.

That's what I've been saying all week, and that's the reason all the pressure is on their sideline: if not now, with the 11-0 team, when? It will set their program back if we go in there and expose them. I think they're a fraud. Let's hope they are.

[RyeCat]

https://bigskyconf.com/stats.aspx?path= ... &year=2025
Here are the current passing stats for the BSC. Cooke from ISU leads in average yards per game.

[Helcat72]

As far as noise, I suppose Vigen has had them in the indoor facility with the noise turned up to "11" . That's gotta be close to Wa Griz as far as noise...so Lamson is practicing against it. The only X factor is the energy which is impossible to duplicate.

[iaafan]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

This.

That offense has too many pieces for anybody to “crumble.” This is just another broken talking point that people make up to drum up controversy.

I'm not so sure about this. The 2023 MSU offense was also stacked and they fell apart in Missoula.

That doesn't guarantee that it will happen to Lamson and this offense, but it's not a baseless narrative.

Cats defense is also better this year. If the offense sputters early the defense can absolutely keep it close, especially if they pressure ah yat and Wortham is held in check.

good luck with that

Not sure we need it. Every QB we’ve faced has done worse than their average, with the exclusion of Jordan Cooke who racked up around 60 garbage tune yards against backups.

Pinnick of UC Davis leads the conference in passing yards per game and we handled him fine. The Griz will get theirs, but you haven’t played a defense like us yet. We’ve faced a better QB already. I’m not too worried.

Cooke didn’t play the fourth quarter. 307 in three quarters is very good against our defense but he had 107 of those on two plays.

He started 9-13-0 150 yards, 2 TD passes. 16:13
He finished 11-24-1 157 yards, 0 TD. 28:47

Pinnick 4-5-0 77 yards, 1 TD pass. 6:00
Then 18-31-2 157 yards, 1 TD pass. 54:00

Even if um starts fast I don’t think the game is over. We’ve bounced back from lots of slow starts by the D.

SDSU scored fg on first drive. Nau scored in first quarter. ISU scored on third and fourth possessions. UCD scored on second drive.

[tetoncat]

I think we are going to see Ah Yat rolling out a lot on some of their early drives to try and neutralize the cats rush. I can't remember which game I was watching the griz play but Ah Yat rolled right multiple times on their opening drive. You can also just about guarantee they will try and do a double pass with Wortham at some point of the game, he was a high school quarterback. He could also be used as a passer out of a sweep. I also believe that Hauck will use trick plays from anywhere at anytime. Fake punts, fake field goals, double passes, passes out of sweeps and going for it often on 4 down. Hauck is not getting any younger and he knows this might be his best chance to finally win a national championship. He's been to the big show a few times but hasn't been able to pull off the big one, and you know he wants to get that monkey off his back.

That's what I've been saying all week, and that's the reason all the pressure is on their sideline: if not now, with the 11-0 team, when? It will set their program back if we go in there and expose them. I think they're a fraud. Let's hope they are.

Griz also have a load of seniors compared to Cats. If not this year, can they be as successful in portal as they were this year. It doesn't seem like the reload will come from within.

[MrGoodKat]

Griz also have a load of seniors compared to Cats. If not this year, can they be as successful in portal as they were this year. It doesn't seem like the reload will come from within.

It's going to be a portal merry-go-round for them for the foreseeable future and that approach is totally hit and miss.

Last year's crop was a swing and a miss; this year's has been much better.

[Catsrgrood]

Griz also have a load of seniors compared to Cats. If not this year, can they be as successful in portal as they were this year. It doesn't seem like the reload will come from within.

It's going to be a portal merry-go-round for them for the foreseeable future and that approach is totally hit and miss.

Last year's crop was a swing and a miss; this year's has been much better.

This is creating another side topic, but it’ll be really interesting to see how Hauck handles this offseason and what the griz look like again next year.

Ah Yat and presumably Gillman return, but Wortham and the entire O-line graduate.
The defense is better than last year, but isn’t exactly elite, and a lot of them will be gone too.

They’ve painted themselves in a corner that now they HAVE to hit the portal hard each year. Between bringing in 1 year guys and missing on a decent amount of the transfers they do bring in, there is no way they don't have to bring in a minimum of 20 transfers every year to fill holes, probably more.

As you mentioned, sometimes it works (this year), sometimes it doesn’t (last year). As a fan I would not like to have that much variability and unknown year in and year out.

[MrGoodKat]

Griz also have a load of seniors compared to Cats. If not this year, can they be as successful in portal as they were this year. It doesn't seem like the reload will come from within.

It's going to be a portal merry-go-round for them for the foreseeable future and that approach is totally hit and miss.

Last year's crop was a swing and a miss; this year's has been much better.

This is creating another side topic, but it’ll be really interesting to see how Hauck handles this offseason and what the griz look like again next year.

Ah Yat and presumably Gillman return, but Wortham and the entire O-line graduate.
The defense is better than last year, but isn’t exactly elite, and a lot of them will be gone too.

They’ve painted themselves in a corner that now they HAVE to hit the portal hard each year. Between bringing in 1 year guys and missing on a decent amount of the transfers they do bring in, there is no way they don't have to bring in a minimum of 20 transfers every year to fill holes, probably more.

As you mentioned, sometimes it works (this year), sometimes it doesn’t (last year). As a fan I would not like to have that much variability and unknown year in and year out.

The way out of it is basically to tank and go super young for a couple years and Hauck just isn’t going to do that— probably not ever and certainly not at this stage of his career

[MrGoodKat]

Ah Yat is good, but the way that the media glazes him and ignores his issues is nauseating. I think more than anything tomorrow, I want to see MSU’s defense shut that narrative down.

[ilovethecats]

Ah Yat is good, but the way that the media glazes him and ignores his issues is nauseating. I think more than anything tomorrow, I want to see MSU’s defense shut that narrative down.

Funny how even their own fanbase was 50-50 on him last year! lol. I think he’s played good. But I’m curious to see him against an actual good defense. If he has a day against us tomorrow I’ll start believing the hype

[MrGoodKat]

Ah Yat is good, but the way that the media glazes him and ignores his issues is nauseating. I think more than anything tomorrow, I want to see MSU’s defense shut that narrative down.

Funny how even their own fanbase was 50-50 on him last year! lol. I think he’s played good. But I’m curious to see him against an actual good defense. If he has a day against us tomorrow I’ll start believing the hype

I get it. They've waited forever for a good, homegrown QB. And he is good. But because of all the anticipation and the huge production against crappy defenses, his issues are just totally getting glossed over. When their offense bogs down in games, it's always explained as some sort of galaxy-brained intentional choice by the coaches-- it could never be that the Hawaiian Prince who was Promised struggles without the scripted stuff and hits major slumps.

The way that people talk about UM's offense like it's on some other level than the Cats' is crazy to me. MSU's offense has been superior in every way for the majority of the season. AND Ah Yat hasn't seen a good defense since North Dakota, where he threw two picks and UM hung on to win by a point with like one minute to go in the game in their lowest point total of the season.

And UND's defense isn't really comparable to MSU's anyways. If you take out their KSU game, they have allowed 17 PPG in FCS play. If you take out the Oregon game, MSU has allowed 12. And specifically in the passing defense, MSU has been superior to UND all season.

So all that to say, I will be so thrilled if the Cats' defense shows up and shows out and balances out all the hype.

[ilovethecats]

So all that to say, I will be so thrilled if the Cats' defense shows up and shows out and balances out all the hype.

You and me both friend! I have been beating that drum most of the season. I'm fine saying the griz are a good team and a good offense. They can put up points at times. But the way most of their fans were talking and even some of the media you'd think they were some record breaking offense! Then you look at their stats and......

[RKMCMT]

Ah Yat is good, but the way that the media glazes him and ignores his issues is nauseating. I think more than anything tomorrow, I want to see MSU’s defense shut that narrative down.

Funny how even their own fanbase was 50-50 on him last year! lol. I think he’s played good. But I’m curious to see him against an actual good defense. If he has a day against us tomorrow I’ll start believing the hype

I was excited to see them roll with him this year. He's definitely grown beyond what I expected. Then again their O goes LONG stretches at times without doing much. Hopefully our D makes that 60 (game) minutes long.

[tetoncat]

Ah Yat is good, but the way that the media glazes him and ignores his issues is nauseating. I think more than anything tomorrow, I want to see MSU’s defense shut that narrative down.

He showed flashes last year but struggled with decision making and turnovers leading to being benched rather than allowed to grow. Early in season had some of those same issues. He has gotten better. I really believe this is the biggest game he has played in. Will he handle that pressure as well as what the D Line brings.

[St George]

Feel like playing Pinnick last Saturday is a blessing in disguise. KAY is fairly athletic but not close to what Pinnick is. I think our Dline can and will get KAY running around. Can see him getting teed up a few times.

What is the over under on Bobcats getting called for roughing the passer every time someone touches E I E I Yat?