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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by OldGriz » Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:37 pm

Cataholic wrote:
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Any doubts today? If not you’re delusional 😉😉😉
No doubts today. The Cats lost at home to a team (SDSU) that might not even make the playoffs. :lol:
It’s official. You are nothing more than a troll. Cats beat EWU 57-3. You guys EWU by 5 at home on a fumbled spike by their third string QB. What a joke. You have lots to celebrate but you would rather troll on the Cats board. Textbook definition of loser.
I answered the question that was asked of me. The Cats lost at home to a team (SDSU) that has lost to Indiana State, South Dakota and (SDSU) might not even make the playoffs. Cat fans seem to think the SDSU loss, plus the near-60-point loss to Oregon, are bragging points for SOS. LOL. Whatevs. The Griz haven’t lost to anyone. The Brawl will be fun.
Yes the Brawl will be a lot of fun, but not for the reasons you think...
The Cats have definitely dealt with adversity well. They’ve lost to a good team. They’ve lost to a mediocre team. They’ve beat bad teams, and they’ve beat good teams. It’s entirely possible the Cats could upset Montana in Missoula. I believe Montana will win, but it will be a fun contest under any circumstances.
“Upset”. Nice troll word again. :lol:
I mean, if he’s using the term “upset” based solely on the spread of the football game he could be right. Being in Missoula it’s plausible that the opening line of the game could favor the griz by 2-3 points. He’s on record guaranteeing the griz would be favored in every game this season.

However, if they have another lackluster performance against a horrendous Portland State team; and lose or win narrowly, they may not be favored at all. Especially if we handle Davis easily.

But right now I think their fans and their stadium are worth more points than their actual football team and I could see them favored by about 3.5. Then if we win it’d be an “upset”. Lol
No one has refuted this plausible path for the Cats to be the underdog in The Brawl. As of today, the nation’s coaches and writers still rank undefeated Montana above the Cats. Did ilovethecats get anything wrong? I don’t think so.
Most people say home field advantage is worth 7 points. I guess the Gris would have lost against UND and EWU if those games were on the road. Lucky you guys have 8 home games this year.
You don’t disagree with ilovethecats. Me neither. Were finding common ground.



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by Cataholic » Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:39 pm

OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:37 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:31 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 10, 2025 12:37 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Sun Nov 09, 2025 1:07 pm
tdub wrote:
Sun Nov 09, 2025 12:53 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Sun Nov 09, 2025 12:48 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sun Nov 09, 2025 12:32 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Sat Nov 08, 2025 9:37 pm
Cataholic wrote:
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OldGriz wrote:
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No doubts today. The Cats lost at home to a team (SDSU) that might not even make the playoffs. :lol:
It’s official. You are nothing more than a troll. Cats beat EWU 57-3. You guys EWU by 5 at home on a fumbled spike by their third string QB. What a joke. You have lots to celebrate but you would rather troll on the Cats board. Textbook definition of loser.
I answered the question that was asked of me. The Cats lost at home to a team (SDSU) that has lost to Indiana State, South Dakota and (SDSU) might not even make the playoffs. Cat fans seem to think the SDSU loss, plus the near-60-point loss to Oregon, are bragging points for SOS. LOL. Whatevs. The Griz haven’t lost to anyone. The Brawl will be fun.
Yes the Brawl will be a lot of fun, but not for the reasons you think...
The Cats have definitely dealt with adversity well. They’ve lost to a good team. They’ve lost to a mediocre team. They’ve beat bad teams, and they’ve beat good teams. It’s entirely possible the Cats could upset Montana in Missoula. I believe Montana will win, but it will be a fun contest under any circumstances.
“Upset”. Nice troll word again. :lol:
I mean, if he’s using the term “upset” based solely on the spread of the football game he could be right. Being in Missoula it’s plausible that the opening line of the game could favor the griz by 2-3 points. He’s on record guaranteeing the griz would be favored in every game this season.

However, if they have another lackluster performance against a horrendous Portland State team; and lose or win narrowly, they may not be favored at all. Especially if we handle Davis easily.

But right now I think their fans and their stadium are worth more points than their actual football team and I could see them favored by about 3.5. Then if we win it’d be an “upset”. Lol
No one has refuted this plausible path for the Cats to be the underdog in The Brawl. As of today, the nation’s coaches and writers still rank undefeated Montana above the Cats. Did ilovethecats get anything wrong? I don’t think so.
Most people say home field advantage is worth 7 points. I guess the Gris would have lost against UND and EWU if those games were on the road. Lucky you guys have 8 home games this year.
You don’t disagree with ilovethecats. Me neither. Were finding common ground.
Yep. We all agree that the Cats are clearly the better team when home field advantage is removed! So glad you are on the same page!! =D^ =D^ =D^



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by OldGriz » Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:55 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:39 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:37 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:31 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 10, 2025 12:37 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Sun Nov 09, 2025 1:07 pm
tdub wrote:
Sun Nov 09, 2025 12:53 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Sun Nov 09, 2025 12:48 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sun Nov 09, 2025 12:32 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Sat Nov 08, 2025 9:37 pm
Cataholic wrote:
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It’s official. You are nothing more than a troll. Cats beat EWU 57-3. You guys EWU by 5 at home on a fumbled spike by their third string QB. What a joke. You have lots to celebrate but you would rather troll on the Cats board. Textbook definition of loser.
I answered the question that was asked of me. The Cats lost at home to a team (SDSU) that has lost to Indiana State, South Dakota and (SDSU) might not even make the playoffs. Cat fans seem to think the SDSU loss, plus the near-60-point loss to Oregon, are bragging points for SOS. LOL. Whatevs. The Griz haven’t lost to anyone. The Brawl will be fun.
Yes the Brawl will be a lot of fun, but not for the reasons you think...
The Cats have definitely dealt with adversity well. They’ve lost to a good team. They’ve lost to a mediocre team. They’ve beat bad teams, and they’ve beat good teams. It’s entirely possible the Cats could upset Montana in Missoula. I believe Montana will win, but it will be a fun contest under any circumstances.
“Upset”. Nice troll word again. :lol:
I mean, if he’s using the term “upset” based solely on the spread of the football game he could be right. Being in Missoula it’s plausible that the opening line of the game could favor the griz by 2-3 points. He’s on record guaranteeing the griz would be favored in every game this season.

However, if they have another lackluster performance against a horrendous Portland State team; and lose or win narrowly, they may not be favored at all. Especially if we handle Davis easily.

But right now I think their fans and their stadium are worth more points than their actual football team and I could see them favored by about 3.5. Then if we win it’d be an “upset”. Lol
No one has refuted this plausible path for the Cats to be the underdog in The Brawl. As of today, the nation’s coaches and writers still rank undefeated Montana above the Cats. Did ilovethecats get anything wrong? I don’t think so.
Most people say home field advantage is worth 7 points. I guess the Gris would have lost against UND and EWU if those games were on the road. Lucky you guys have 8 home games this year.
You don’t disagree with ilovethecats. Me neither. Were finding common ground.
Yep. We all agree that the Cats are clearly the better team when home field advantage is removed! So glad you are on the same page!! =D^ =D^ =D^
:lol: :wink: =D^



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by KIX » Mon Nov 10, 2025 3:11 pm

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These stats seem to indicate that the Cats have an advantage in almost every category with the exception of passing yards. Ah Yat appears to put more zip on the ball but he's more unrestrained in his passes than Lamson, which is borne out in the completion percentages. Ah Yat's development cycle has been much slower than Lamson's who I believe has made greater strides since the beginning of the season. This may be due in part from Hauck's "QB by commitee" approach last year. I also think Lamson has better potential as a rusher and harder to bring down. As the pollsters and playoff committee folks have also observed, the Cats seem to be a more complete team at this point in the season. The griz offense seems more concentrated in their big three playmakers (Ah Yat, Gilman, and Wortham) which is a little like a three-legged stool. If you contain one of those legs, the stool will topple. The argument being made by many cubbie fans that the Cats loss to SDSU early in the season is somehow relevant at this point is a specious one at best. It doesn't take into consideration the loss of their starting QB/leader Chase Mason and the Cats early challenges of a new OC trying to figure out schemes and shuffling the o-line as well as a new and developing Lamson. It's irrational to believe these FCS teams that started the season are the same teams now in respect to development, experience, talent etc. However, I'm still less certain about Cat-griz based on the disproportionate skew of the home team over the last four years. But if we were talking neutral territory, I'll pick the Cats for the W all day!
We'll see how AhYat fairs against the Cats D. :D



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by iaafan » Mon Nov 10, 2025 3:27 pm

KIX wrote:
Mon Nov 10, 2025 3:11 pm

The argument being made by many cubbie fans that the Cats loss to SDSU early in the season is somehow relevant at this point is a specious one at best. It doesn't take into consideration the loss of their starting QB/leader Chase Mason and the Cats early challenges of a new OC trying to figure out schemes and shuffling the o-line as well as a new and developing Lamson. It's irrational to believe these FCS teams that started the season are the same teams now
Good post.

SDSU has lost more than Mason. We also struggled punting vs SDSU. That seems to have been cleaned up but Frokjer rarely needs to punt so maybe not.

MSU has improved in the secondary which is saying something because they were pretty good from the get go.



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by BgCATfan » Mon Nov 10, 2025 4:27 pm

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MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.
Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..
Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!
Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just another ridiculous thing they’re saying over there. I guess to justify why our offense is somehow equal or better than their incredible offense in nearly every statistical category. It’s can’t be because our offense is just as good as theirs. Maybe better? No, it HAS to be that we just keep our starters in way to long in games we’ve blown them out!
Here’s where you’re finally wrong ILTC. MSU’s offense is not just as good as theirs or equal to theirs in any facet.

There is not a single thing on offense they do better than we do. Not one.
Where do we start? You realize that going into Saturday, in conference play, the Montana offense has scored more points, passed for more yards, committed fewer penalties, and has turned the ball over less than the Cats. I’m sure there are more things than just those four where Montana has done better than the Cats. Of course, this weekend’s play may have affected some stats, and we shall see when the conference website updates its team totals.
Heading into yesterday's games, MSU had scored 228 points in BSC play to UM's 198. After yesterday's games, those numbers are 294 and 227 respectively.

MSU also came into yesterday with 2 turnovers in BSC play to UM's 4. They now both have 4, but only because the Cats' backup QB fumbled twice in garbage time.

MSU's offense has been drastically superior to UM's in conference. There's no way around that. The gap between the defenses has been even bigger.
You are just wrong.

https://bigskyconf.com/stats.aspx?path= ... &year=2025
Now click on "conference only" as you specified above.



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by tetoncat » Mon Nov 10, 2025 5:24 pm

iaafan wrote:
Mon Nov 10, 2025 3:27 pm
KIX wrote:
Mon Nov 10, 2025 3:11 pm

The argument being made by many cubbie fans that the Cats loss to SDSU early in the season is somehow relevant at this point is a specious one at best. It doesn't take into consideration the loss of their starting QB/leader Chase Mason and the Cats early challenges of a new OC trying to figure out schemes and shuffling the o-line as well as a new and developing Lamson. It's irrational to believe these FCS teams that started the season are the same teams now
Good post.

SDSU has lost more than Mason. We also struggled punting vs SDSU. That seems to have been cleaned up but Frokjer rarely needs to punt so maybe not.

MSU has improved in the secondary which is saying something because they were pretty good from the get go.
New OC, DC, QB new to system, new OL coach and shuffled OL. D played fine. O is much improved since then.


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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by onceacat » Mon Nov 10, 2025 11:49 pm

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Sam Herder of Hero Sports released his ballot. Here are his comments. Guess he has been reading this thread all week long! Point. Set. Match.
I flipped Montana State and Montana at No. 2 and 3. MSU looks like a more complete team lately and is playing more complete games, dominating common opponents that the Grizzlies have struggled to put away. I still lean Montana getting the No. 2 seed with it hosting MSU in the Brawl of the Wild, where the home squad has been a decided favorite. But on a neutral field, the Cats look like a better outfit, and that’s how I’ll rank it. The only rankings that matter, of course, are the playoff committee’s. And they are higher on MSU as well.
Herder is really good. I couldn’t understand his rankings for the last couple weeks. Glad to see he’s finally seeing the same things we are!



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by 94VegasCat » Mon Nov 10, 2025 11:54 pm

MONTANA KIDS ON ROSTER:

MSU 44
um 32

11 starters for MSU with 20 on the 2-deep
(don’t care enough to look at um)


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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by cats2506 » Tue Nov 11, 2025 8:31 am

onceacat wrote:
Mon Nov 10, 2025 11:49 pm
Catprint wrote:
Sun Nov 09, 2025 10:13 pm
Sam Herder of Hero Sports released his ballot. Here are his comments. Guess he has been reading this thread all week long! Point. Set. Match.
I flipped Montana State and Montana at No. 2 and 3. MSU looks like a more complete team lately and is playing more complete games, dominating common opponents that the Grizzlies have struggled to put away. I still lean Montana getting the No. 2 seed with it hosting MSU in the Brawl of the Wild, where the home squad has been a decided favorite. But on a neutral field, the Cats look like a better outfit, and that’s how I’ll rank it. The only rankings that matter, of course, are the playoff committee’s. And they are higher on MSU as well.
Herder is really good. I couldn’t understand his rankings for the last couple weeks. Glad to see he’s finally seeing the same things we are!
He explained his position quite well. He said that Cat/Griz will determine the final seeding and that he was giving the edge to the home team.


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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by MrGoodKat » Tue Nov 11, 2025 9:06 am

94VegasCat wrote:
Mon Nov 10, 2025 11:54 pm
MONTANA KIDS ON ROSTER:

MSU 44
um 32

11 starters for MSU with 20 on the 2-deep
(don’t care enough to look at um)
For the Griz, it's either 2 or 3 starters and 9 total on the most recent 2-Deep I've seen. The reason I say 2 or 3 is that I'm not certain if Botner is starting. I don't believe he was against EW.

Ian Finch (Missoula) is listed as a WR2.

Drew Deck (Kalispell) is listed as a WR2.

Dillon Botner (Whitefish) is listed as RT1.

Geno Leonard (Missoula) is listed as one of their LB2's.

Clay Oven (Billings) is listed as one of their LB2's.

Kellen Detrick (Havre) is listed as a DE1.

Kade Cutler (Phillipsburg) is listed as NB2.

T.J. Rausch (Missoula) is listed as SS1

Kade Boyd (Billings) is listed as SS2.

-No one from the state of MT has attempted a pass for the Griz.

-MT players have accounted for 12 total rush attempts on the season-- the top 5 on the team in carries are from out of state.

-MT players have accounted for 21 total receptions on the season-- the top 3 on the team in receptions are from out of state.

-14 Griz players have at least 20 tackles on the season; four are from the state of MT-- their top 3 tacklers are from out of state.

No doubt that Wa. Griz and homefield advantage is the biggest factor in the Brawl, but this is also an important reality to consider.



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by Cataholic » Tue Nov 11, 2025 9:21 am

MrGoodKat wrote:
Tue Nov 11, 2025 9:06 am
94VegasCat wrote:
Mon Nov 10, 2025 11:54 pm
MONTANA KIDS ON ROSTER:

MSU 44
um 32

11 starters for MSU with 20 on the 2-deep
(don’t care enough to look at um)
For the Griz, it's either 2 or 3 starters and 9 total on the most recent 2-Deep I've seen. The reason I say 2 or 3 is that I'm not certain if Botner is starting. I don't believe he was against EW.

Ian Finch (Missoula) is listed as a WR2.

Drew Deck (Kalispell) is listed as a WR2.

Dillon Botner (Whitefish) is listed as RT1.

Geno Leonard (Missoula) is listed as one of their LB2's.

Clay Oven (Billings) is listed as one of their LB2's.

Kellen Detrick (Havre) is listed as a DE1.

Kade Cutler (Phillipsburg) is listed as NB2.

T.J. Rausch (Missoula) is listed as SS1

Kade Boyd (Billings) is listed as SS2.

-No one from the state of MT has attempted a pass for the Griz.

-MT players have accounted for 12 total rush attempts on the season-- the top 5 on the team in carries are from out of state.

-MT players have accounted for 21 total receptions on the season-- the top 3 on the team in receptions are from out of state.

-14 Griz players have at least 20 tackles on the season; four are from the state of MT-- their top 3 tacklers are from out of state.

No doubt that Wa. Griz and homefield advantage is the biggest factor in the Brawl, but this is also an important reality to consider.
What state are most of their players from?



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by PortlandCat90 » Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:14 am

Cataholic wrote:
Tue Nov 11, 2025 9:21 am
MrGoodKat wrote:
Tue Nov 11, 2025 9:06 am
94VegasCat wrote:
Mon Nov 10, 2025 11:54 pm
MONTANA KIDS ON ROSTER:

MSU 44
um 32

11 starters for MSU with 20 on the 2-deep
(don’t care enough to look at um)
For the Griz, it's either 2 or 3 starters and 9 total on the most recent 2-Deep I've seen. The reason I say 2 or 3 is that I'm not certain if Botner is starting. I don't believe he was against EW.

Ian Finch (Missoula) is listed as a WR2.

Drew Deck (Kalispell) is listed as a WR2.

Dillon Botner (Whitefish) is listed as RT1.

Geno Leonard (Missoula) is listed as one of their LB2's.

Clay Oven (Billings) is listed as one of their LB2's.

Kellen Detrick (Havre) is listed as a DE1.

Kade Cutler (Phillipsburg) is listed as NB2.

T.J. Rausch (Missoula) is listed as SS1

Kade Boyd (Billings) is listed as SS2.

-No one from the state of MT has attempted a pass for the Griz.

-MT players have accounted for 12 total rush attempts on the season-- the top 5 on the team in carries are from out of state.

-MT players have accounted for 21 total receptions on the season-- the top 3 on the team in receptions are from out of state.

-14 Griz players have at least 20 tackles on the season; four are from the state of MT-- their top 3 tacklers are from out of state.

No doubt that Wa. Griz and homefield advantage is the biggest factor in the Brawl, but this is also an important reality to consider.
What state are most of their players from?
Cats:

MT – 44
TX – 15
WA, ID – 9
CA -6
WY – 4
UT, AZ, OK, NV, OR, MN -2
GA, NJ, AK, WI – 1

Pandas:

MT – 32
WA – 20
CA -12
TX – 7
HI - 6
GA - 4
OR, MINN, AZ – 3
UTAH, FLA, OH, CO, - 2
NC, ILL, CONN, MICH, MARY, WY, IND, IOWA, ID - 1

On a soul-crushing virtual deposition as I do this so my numbers may be one off here or there but fairly representative.



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by MrGoodKat » Tue Nov 11, 2025 11:06 am

Here's how I think about the comparison in the lead up to the game:

Griz Advantages:

-Home field advantage: This has proven to be the single most important factor in the Brawl in recent years.

-Explosive play ability: While the overall offense and defense of the Cats are better units, the Griz have more home-run ability on offense and create more splashy negative plays on defense; this could really accentuate the impact of the Wa Griz crowd.

Cat Advantages:

-MT Players: It has proven true in the history of this rivalry that in-state players are a huge factor; the Cats have way more of them.

-Team Quality: Since conference play began, the Cats have proven to be the better overall team in virtually every respect.

If this game was on a neutral field, I would pick the Cats by 2+ touchdowns. In Missoula, all bets are off.



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by coloradocat » Tue Nov 11, 2025 11:18 am

My two biggest concerns are how Lamson handles the griz pressure and getting a punt/kick blocked.

I could see him taking some bad sacks if he continues to hold on to the ball too long or waits too long to run with it and if he gets sacked a few times early how does that affect him the rest of the game. We've been good lately on our punts/kicks but you know Bobbi will have ST dialed up to try and turn the game there.

If we can handle those two threats well I don't think we'll have too much to worry about. This is a tough team with a lot of MT and/or experienced players on the team who understand what they'll be walking into.


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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by tdub » Tue Nov 11, 2025 12:19 pm

My two keys on this game are Lamson and o-line identifying where pressure is coming from, and one or less special teams “special” plays for UM/against MSU. My gut says these two things happen and the Cats win going away by 2+ scores.

An explosive UM offensive play or two may happen. It’s sacks and huge special team discrepancies that’ll get UM a win


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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by BobcatBuiltTexan » Tue Nov 11, 2025 12:32 pm

coloradocat wrote:
Tue Nov 11, 2025 11:18 am
My two biggest concerns are how Lamson handles the griz pressure and getting a punt/kick blocked.

I could see him taking some bad sacks if he continues to hold on to the ball too long or waits too long to run with it and if he gets sacked a few times early how does that affect him the rest of the game. We've been good lately on our punts/kicks but you know Bobbi will have ST dialed up to try and turn the game there.

If we can handle those two threats well I don't think we'll have too much to worry about. This is a tough team with a lot of MT and/or experienced players on the team who understand what they'll be walking into.
I actually think that the fact that we have quite a few key players that aren't from MT is what will be key for us. They know it's a big game but they are less likely to get caught up in the emotion of it all....whether they wanted to go to the griz or always hated the griz. They obviously want to beat the griz as it's a culture thing but the emotion that many of the MT players will have surrounding this game won't be there for them, it will allow them to approach the game like any other big game. It's like being from cali and playing for ut in the red river shootout. yeah you know it's a rivalry game but it doesn't hit the same so you just play the game. you didn't grow up hating or loving one team, you don't have to go home and worry about hearing jeers from either side because you won or lost...that mental part of the game doesn't exist for quite a few of our best players. I think they would have been more up or emotional about Oregon than the griz. Now I do think the griz is going to throw everything at us so the whole team will need to ready for the tricks and the bs that I feel will present itself.

I feel one of two things will happen....1. we come out like we did against UNC and defensively we are on their necks. Offense will be a bit sluggish to start but the defense will energize them quickly and we put our foot on their throats. then i feel the griz will resort to some bs to rattle our cage so our guys need to not get caught up in that and get ejected or get any penalties to give them a shot in the arm. fans will be on the teams butt the whole game so they just got to block it out. or 2. we're in a hard hitting dog fight. both defenses will lead the way with big hits, stout play and the offenses will need to have one or two key drives to pull ahead. the special teams game will be the tipping point in this scenario. we HAVE to be solid every single time, zero glitches. if we are in scenario 2 the game will be won or lost by our STs play(big kor, pr..blocked kick..missed fg or xpt...something like that). I don't think the griz feels they are better than us on offense or defense so they will offset that with ST play to keep them in the game, we have to match that energy.

oh yeah i see the griz making it ugly, they are going to try to out physical us, hard physical runs, defensively hit the qb everytime they get a chance(even getting some roughing the passer calls to get in our heads). I don't see them lining up and just being better than us, but I do see them trying to out play us...again we have to match that level of intensity for the whole game. They remind me of Katy HS here in Texas. They aren't fancy but good lord are they physical ALL GAME. We have to be willing to hit and hit HARD all game regardless of the score.



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by coloradocat » Tue Nov 11, 2025 12:50 pm

BobcatBuiltTexan wrote:
Tue Nov 11, 2025 12:32 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Tue Nov 11, 2025 11:18 am
My two biggest concerns are how Lamson handles the griz pressure and getting a punt/kick blocked.

I could see him taking some bad sacks if he continues to hold on to the ball too long or waits too long to run with it and if he gets sacked a few times early how does that affect him the rest of the game. We've been good lately on our punts/kicks but you know Bobbi will have ST dialed up to try and turn the game there.

If we can handle those two threats well I don't think we'll have too much to worry about. This is a tough team with a lot of MT and/or experienced players on the team who understand what they'll be walking into.
I actually think that the fact that we have quite a few key players that aren't from MT is what will be key for us. They know it's a big game but they are less likely to get caught up in the emotion of it all....whether they wanted to go to the griz or always hated the griz. They obviously want to beat the griz as it's a culture thing but the emotion that many of the MT players will have surrounding this game won't be there for them, it will allow them to approach the game like any other big game. It's like being from cali and playing for ut in the red river shootout. yeah you know it's a rivalry game but it doesn't hit the same so you just play the game. you didn't grow up hating or loving one team, you don't have to go home and worry about hearing jeers from either side because you won or lost...that mental part of the game doesn't exist for quite a few of our best players. I think they would have been more up or emotional about Oregon than the griz. Now I do think the griz is going to throw everything at us so the whole team will need to ready for the tricks and the bs that I feel will present itself.

I feel one of two things will happen....1. we come out like we did against UNC and defensively we are on their necks. Offense will be a bit sluggish to start but the defense will energize them quickly and we put our foot on their throats. then i feel the griz will resort to some bs to rattle our cage so our guys need to not get caught up in that and get ejected or get any penalties to give them a shot in the arm. fans will be on the teams butt the whole game so they just got to block it out. or 2. we're in a hard hitting dog fight. both defenses will lead the way with big hits, stout play and the offenses will need to have one or two key drives to pull ahead. the special teams game will be the tipping point in this scenario. we HAVE to be solid every single time, zero glitches. if we are in scenario 2 the game will be won or lost by our STs play(big kor, pr..blocked kick..missed fg or xpt...something like that). I don't think the griz feels they are better than us on offense or defense so they will offset that with ST play to keep them in the game, we have to match that energy.

oh yeah i see the griz making it ugly, they are going to try to out physical us, hard physical runs, defensively hit the qb everytime they get a chance(even getting some roughing the passer calls to get in our heads). I don't see them lining up and just being better than us, but I do see them trying to out play us...again we have to match that level of intensity for the whole game. They remind me of Katy HS here in Texas. They aren't fancy but good lord are they physical ALL GAME. We have to be willing to hit and hit HARD all game regardless of the score.
Your first paragraph is an interesting perspective that I don't know if we've seen here before. The general consensus on BN, and the fandom at large, is that out of state guys are the weakness going into Cat-griz because they don't get it and have trouble rising to the moment. I suppose that could be backwards for some of the guys from TX because of the high school environment. There's always the possibility that the MT guys are overhyped for the game but that is kind of the point. It's not just another big game and both sides treat it like the super bowl. "It just means more" and you need the entire team on board with that to win.


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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by TomCat88 » Tue Nov 11, 2025 1:09 pm

The Grizzlies won 13 of 15 games in Bozeman from 1987 to 2015.
MSU is 5-6 in its last 11 games in Missoula. 4-3 in its last seven games there. Won four out of five games there from 2010 to 2018.
Homefield didn't help MSU in 2011, 2013, 2015 despite having decent teams and the matchups being fairly even. Same can be said for 2010, 2016 and 2018 about UM.

The better team usually wins.

The blowouts in 2019, 2021, 2022 and 2023 had just as much to do with all the mistakes the home teams made as it did where the game was played.
2019 - UM fumbled on its first play deep in its own end.
2021 - MSU allowed four PRs for 30+ yards and a jacked-up FG attempt for a TD.
2022 - UM snapped ball over punter's head for TD and QB fumbled on the goal line in the first half.
2023 - MSU missed two FG attempts and gave up a needless FG right before half.


MSU - 16 team National Champions (most recent 2024); 57 individual National Champions (most recent 2023).
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