How do Cats stack up against Griz

[catapult]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just another ridiculous thing they’re saying over there. I guess to justify why our offense is somehow equal or better than their incredible offense in nearly every statistical category. It’s can’t be because our offense is just as good as theirs. Maybe better? No, it HAS to be that we just keep our starters in way to long in games we’ve blown them out!

Here’s where you’re finally wrong ILTC. MSU’s offense is not just as good as theirs or equal to theirs in any facet.

There is not a single thing on offense they do better than we do. Not one.

Where do we start? You realize that going into Saturday, in conference play, the Montana offense has scored more points, passed for more yards, committed fewer penalties, and has turned the ball over less than the Cats. I’m sure there are more things than just those four where Montana has done better than the Cats. Of course, this weekend’s play may have affected some stats, and we shall see when the conference website updates its team totals.

Heading into yesterday's games, MSU had scored 228 points in BSC play to UM's 198. After yesterday's games, those numbers are 294 and 227 respectively.

MSU also came into yesterday with 2 turnovers in BSC play to UM's 4. They now both have 4, but only because the Cats' backup QB fumbled twice in garbage time.

MSU's offense has been drastically superior to UM's in conference. There's no way around that. The gap between the defenses has been even bigger.

You are just wrong.

https://bigskyconf.com/stats.aspx?path= ... &year=2025

My word…with all due respect. OldGriz, you really need to learn how to navigate the Big Sky conference website. What you posted are stats for ALL game and not conference only stats.

[profisme]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just another ridiculous thing they’re saying over there. I guess to justify why our offense is somehow equal or better than their incredible offense in nearly every statistical category. It’s can’t be because our offense is just as good as theirs. Maybe better? No, it HAS to be that we just keep our starters in way to long in games we’ve blown them out!

Here’s where you’re finally wrong ILTC. MSU’s offense is not just as good as theirs or equal to theirs in any facet.

There is not a single thing on offense they do better than we do. Not one.

Where do we start? You realize that going into Saturday, in conference play, the Montana offense has scored more points, passed for more yards, committed fewer penalties, and has turned the ball over less than the Cats. I’m sure there are more things than just those four where Montana has done better than the Cats. Of course, this weekend’s play may have affected some stats, and we shall see when the conference website updates its team totals.

Heading into yesterday's games, MSU had scored 228 points in BSC play to UM's 198. After yesterday's games, those numbers are 294 and 227 respectively.

MSU also came into yesterday with 2 turnovers in BSC play to UM's 4. They now both have 4, but only because the Cats' backup QB fumbled twice in garbage time.

MSU's offense has been drastically superior to UM's in conference. There's no way around that. The gap between the defenses has been even bigger.

You are just wrong.

https://bigskyconf.com/stats.aspx?path= ... &year=2025

Hey Jack, you just linked a full season stats page. He just was talking about BSC numbers. He was completely correct in asserting the points scored in conference games and you are wrong in your attempts to twist stats as per usual.

[onceacat]

Conference Only: 6 games played each
(I bolded and underlined all the areas UM leads MSU)

Points
MSU - 49.0
UM - 37.8

Points Allowed
MSU 10.8
UM 25.5

Total Offense
MSU 7.6 ypp/502.5 ypg
UM 6.4 ypp/437.0 ypg

Total Defense
MSU 4.2/282.3
UM 5.7/414.5

Rush Offense
MSU 6.3/270.0
UM 4.4/156.7

Rush Defense
MSU 3.2/89.5
UM 3.2/96.3

Pass Offense
MSU 9.8/232.3
UM 8.5/280.3

Pass Defense
MSU 5.0/192.8
UM 7.4/318.2

Pass Efficiency Offense
MSU 188.0
UM 151.1

Pass Efficiency Defense
MSU 100.7
UM 125.8

Whats really striking here is the 2.1 yards per play discrepancy in Rush Offense. I've taken it as a matter of fact that Gillman is the best RB in the conference, but the statistics prove otherwise. MSU has FOUR guys with higher yards per carry than Gilman. Jones & Davis both average 2 yards per carry more than Gilman.

The other standout is the 193 to 150 passer rating from Lamson to KAY. Again, lots of people are acting like KAY is a Payton finalist, but Lamson's actual production is light years better.

One could go further down the rabbit hole.

3rd Down Conversions
53%/39%

4th Down Conversions
75%/69%

Red Zone Offense
Cats 6.0 points per RZ/Gris 5.9 points per trip

The numbers just aren't even close.

[onceacat]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just another ridiculous thing they’re saying over there. I guess to justify why our offense is somehow equal or better than their incredible offense in nearly every statistical category. It’s can’t be because our offense is just as good as theirs. Maybe better? No, it HAS to be that we just keep our starters in way to long in games we’ve blown them out!

Here’s where you’re finally wrong ILTC. MSU’s offense is not just as good as theirs or equal to theirs in any facet.

There is not a single thing on offense they do better than we do. Not one.

Where do we start? You realize that going into Saturday, in conference play, the Montana offense has scored more points, passed for more yards, committed fewer penalties, and has turned the ball over less than the Cats. I’m sure there are more things than just those four where Montana has done better than the Cats. Of course, this weekend’s play may have affected some stats, and we shall see when the conference website updates its team totals.

Heading into yesterday's games, MSU had scored 228 points in BSC play to UM's 198. After yesterday's games, those numbers are 294 and 227 respectively.

MSU also came into yesterday with 2 turnovers in BSC play to UM's 4. They now both have 4, but only because the Cats' backup QB fumbled twice in garbage time.

MSU's offense has been drastically superior to UM's in conference. There's no way around that. The gap between the defenses has been even bigger.

You are just wrong.

https://bigskyconf.com/stats.aspx?path= ... &year=2025

You specified “in conference play”. You better check those numbers again.

#PandaMath

#UMStatsDegree

#StatsareforloserswhocantusetheBSCstatstool

[MSU01]

I don't understand why people keep trying to argue with an obvious troll who is only here to stir things up and generate exactly the response he's getting.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Conference Only: 6 games played each
(I bolded and underlined all the areas UM leads MSU)

Points
MSU - 49.0
UM - 37.8

Points Allowed
MSU 10.8
UM 25.5

Total Offense
MSU 7.6 ypp/502.5 ypg
UM 6.4 ypp/437.0 ypg

Total Defense
MSU 4.2/282.3
UM 5.7/414.5

Rush Offense
MSU 6.3/270.0
UM 4.4/156.7

Rush Defense
MSU 3.2/89.5
UM 3.2/96.3

Pass Offense
MSU 9.8/232.3
UM 8.5/280.3

Pass Defense
MSU 5.0/192.8
UM 7.4/318.2

Pass Efficiency Offense
MSU 188.0
UM 151.1

Pass Efficiency Defense
MSU 100.7
UM 125.8

Whats really striking here is the 2.1 yards per play discrepancy in Rush Offense. I've taken it as a matter of fact that Gillman is the best RB in the conference, but the statistics prove otherwise. MSU has FOUR guys with higher yards per carry than Gilman. Jones & Davis both average 2 yards per carry more than Gilman.

The other standout is the 193 to 150 passer rating from Lamson to KAY. Again, lots of people are acting like KAY is a Payton finalist, but Lamson's actual production is light years better.

One could go further down the rabbit hole.

3rd Down Conversions
53%/39%

4th Down Conversions
75%/69%

Red Zone Offense
Cats 6.0 points per RZ/Gris 5.9 points per trip

The numbers just aren't even close.

Huh? Gilman is averaging more YPC than Jones.

The thing you’re missing is that our OL and our run scheme is better than theirs. That makes a huge difference for a RB. I love our guys, but Gilman is the better RB.

[Cataholic]

I don't understand why people keep trying to argue with an obvious troll who is only here to stir things up and generate exactly the response he's getting.

What I don’t understand is why it bothers you? He has been wrong on virtually every troll attempt and looks like an absolute fool.

[MSU01]

I don't understand why people keep trying to argue with an obvious troll who is only here to stir things up and generate exactly the response he's getting.

What I don’t understand is why it bothers you? He has been wrong on virtually every troll attempt and looks like an absolute fool.

It doesn't bother me, but I'd rather read reasonable discussion among Bobcat fans than endless back and forth arguments with an obvious troll who has zero intention of being reasonable.

[MrGoodKat]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just another ridiculous thing they’re saying over there. I guess to justify why our offense is somehow equal or better than their incredible offense in nearly every statistical category. It’s can’t be because our offense is just as good as theirs. Maybe better? No, it HAS to be that we just keep our starters in way to long in games we’ve blown them out!

Here’s where you’re finally wrong ILTC. MSU’s offense is not just as good as theirs or equal to theirs in any facet.

There is not a single thing on offense they do better than we do. Not one.

Where do we start? You realize that going into Saturday, in conference play, the Montana offense has scored more points, passed for more yards, committed fewer penalties, and has turned the ball over less than the Cats. I’m sure there are more things than just those four where Montana has done better than the Cats. Of course, this weekend’s play may have affected some stats, and we shall see when the conference website updates its team totals.

Heading into yesterday's games, MSU had scored 228 points in BSC play to UM's 198. After yesterday's games, those numbers are 294 and 227 respectively.

MSU also came into yesterday with 2 turnovers in BSC play to UM's 4. They now both have 4, but only because the Cats' backup QB fumbled twice in garbage time.

MSU's offense has been drastically superior to UM's in conference. There's no way around that. The gap between the defenses has been even bigger.

You are just wrong.

https://bigskyconf.com/stats.aspx?path= ... &year=2025

You said "in conference play" above. The link you're offering includes out of conference games. So you're either misspeaking or misunderstanding.

[onceacat]

Conference Only: 6 games played each
(I bolded and underlined all the areas UM leads MSU)

Points
MSU - 49.0
UM - 37.8

Points Allowed
MSU 10.8
UM 25.5

Total Offense
MSU 7.6 ypp/502.5 ypg
UM 6.4 ypp/437.0 ypg

Total Defense
MSU 4.2/282.3
UM 5.7/414.5

Rush Offense
MSU 6.3/270.0
UM 4.4/156.7

Rush Defense
MSU 3.2/89.5
UM 3.2/96.3

Pass Offense
MSU 9.8/232.3
UM 8.5/280.3

Pass Defense
MSU 5.0/192.8
UM 7.4/318.2

Pass Efficiency Offense
MSU 188.0
UM 151.1

Pass Efficiency Defense
MSU 100.7
UM 125.8

Whats really striking here is the 2.1 yards per play discrepancy in Rush Offense. I've taken it as a matter of fact that Gillman is the best RB in the conference, but the statistics prove otherwise. MSU has FOUR guys with higher yards per carry than Gilman. Jones & Davis both average 2 yards per carry more than Gilman.

The other standout is the 193 to 150 passer rating from Lamson to KAY. Again, lots of people are acting like KAY is a Payton finalist, but Lamson's actual production is light years better.

One could go further down the rabbit hole.

3rd Down Conversions
53%/39%

4th Down Conversions
75%/69%

Red Zone Offense
Cats 6.0 points per RZ/Gris 5.9 points per trip

The numbers just aren't even close.

Huh? Gilman is averaging more YPC than Jones.

The thing you’re missing is that our OL and our run scheme is better than theirs. That makes a huge difference for a RB. I love our guys, but Gilman is the better RB.

Not in conference.

I’m not missing that the Cats have a better OLine. I’m just not sure that the Cats OLine is 2 YPC better than the inferior OLine plus the best RB in the conference.

[technoCat]

Conference Only: 6 games played each
(I bolded and underlined all the areas UM leads MSU)

Points
MSU - 49.0
UM - 37.8

Points Allowed
MSU 10.8
UM 25.5

Total Offense
MSU 7.6 ypp/502.5 ypg
UM 6.4 ypp/437.0 ypg

Total Defense
MSU 4.2/282.3
UM 5.7/414.5

Rush Offense
MSU 6.3/270.0
UM 4.4/156.7

Rush Defense
MSU 3.2/89.5
UM 3.2/96.3

Pass Offense
MSU 9.8/232.3
UM 8.5/280.3

Pass Defense
MSU 5.0/192.8
UM 7.4/318.2

Pass Efficiency Offense
MSU 188.0
UM 151.1

Pass Efficiency Defense
MSU 100.7
UM 125.8

Whats really striking here is the 2.1 yards per play discrepancy in Rush Offense. I've taken it as a matter of fact that Gillman is the best RB in the conference, but the statistics prove otherwise. MSU has FOUR guys with higher yards per carry than Gilman. Jones & Davis both average 2 yards per carry more than Gilman.

The other standout is the 193 to 150 passer rating from Lamson to KAY. Again, lots of people are acting like KAY is a Payton finalist, but Lamson's actual production is light years better.

One could go further down the rabbit hole.

3rd Down Conversions
53%/39%

4th Down Conversions
75%/69%

Red Zone Offense
Cats 6.0 points per RZ/Gris 5.9 points per trip

The numbers just aren't even close.

Huh? Gilman is averaging more YPC than Jones.

The thing you’re missing is that our OL and our run scheme is better than theirs. That makes a huge difference for a RB. I love our guys, but Gilman is the better RB.

Not in conference.

I’m not missing that the Cats have a better OLine. I’m just not sure that the Cats OLine is 2 YPC better than the inferior OLine plus the best RB in the conference.

Yeah, our oline is definitely better but they aren't creating those giant holes on every play the rbs could leisurely stroll through like in years past. Gilman is a good back but not head and shoulders better than our two guys.

[91catAlum]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just another ridiculous thing they’re saying over there. I guess to justify why our offense is somehow equal or better than their incredible offense in nearly every statistical category. It’s can’t be because our offense is just as good as theirs. Maybe better? No, it HAS to be that we just keep our starters in way to long in games we’ve blown them out!

Here’s where you’re finally wrong ILTC. MSU’s offense is not just as good as theirs or equal to theirs in any facet.

There is not a single thing on offense they do better than we do. Not one.

Where do we start? You realize that going into Saturday, in conference play, the Montana offense has scored more points, passed for more yards, committed fewer penalties, and has turned the ball over less than the Cats. I’m sure there are more things than just those four where Montana has done better than the Cats. Of course, this weekend’s play may have affected some stats, and we shall see when the conference website updates its team totals.

Heading into yesterday's games, MSU had scored 228 points in BSC play to UM's 198. After yesterday's games, those numbers are 294 and 227 respectively.

MSU also came into yesterday with 2 turnovers in BSC play to UM's 4. They now both have 4, but only because the Cats' backup QB fumbled twice in garbage time.

MSU's offense has been drastically superior to UM's in conference. There's no way around that. The gap between the defenses has been even bigger.

You are just wrong.

https://bigskyconf.com/stats.aspx?path= ... &year=2025

My word…with all due respect. OldGriz, you really need to learn how to navigate the Big Sky conference website. What you posted are stats for ALL game and not conference only stats.

Oh he knows.

[MrGoodKat]

Even more impressive because as you alluded to in regards to our turnovers yesterday, all our backups are playing in the 4th quarter nearly every game. While griz starters are in late throwing the ball because the game is in jeopardy. We have our backups in just running the ball and keeping the clock running. Ha.

And despite getting less run because it's less necessary, Lamson has still accounted for 2438 total yards and 26 total touchdowns to Ah Yat's 2839 total yards and 26 total touchdowns.

If you look at just BSC play, Lamson has 1553 total yards and 21 total touchdowns to Ah Yat's 1626 total yards and 13 total touchdowns.

[iaafan]

Conference Only: 6 games played each
(I bolded and underlined all the areas UM leads MSU)

Points
MSU - 49.0
UM - 37.8

Points Allowed
MSU 10.8
UM 25.5

Total Offense
MSU 7.6 ypp/502.5 ypg
UM 6.4 ypp/437.0 ypg

Total Defense
MSU 4.2/282.3
UM 5.7/414.5

Rush Offense
MSU 6.3/270.0
UM 4.4/156.7

Rush Defense
MSU 3.2/89.5
UM 3.2/96.3

Pass Offense
MSU 9.8/232.3
UM 8.5/280.3

Pass Defense
MSU 5.0/192.8
UM 7.4/318.2

Pass Efficiency Offense
MSU 188.0
UM 151.1

Pass Efficiency Defense
MSU 100.7
UM 125.8

Whats really striking here is the 2.1 yards per play discrepancy in Rush Offense. I've taken it as a matter of fact that Gillman is the best RB in the conference, but the statistics prove otherwise. MSU has FOUR guys with higher yards per carry than Gilman. Jones & Davis both average 2 yards per carry more than Gilman.

The other standout is the 193 to 150 passer rating from Lamson to KAY. Again, lots of people are acting like KAY is a Payton finalist, but Lamson's actual production is light years better.

One could go further down the rabbit hole.

3rd Down Conversions
53%/39%

4th Down Conversions
75%/69%

Red Zone Offense
Cats 6.0 points per RZ/Gris 5.9 points per trip

The numbers just aren't even close.

Huh? Gilman is averaging more YPC than Jones.

The thing you’re missing is that our OL and our run scheme is better than theirs. That makes a huge difference for a RB. I love our guys, but Gilman is the better RB.

Conference Only

Gillman 5.5 ypc/97.5 ypg (8th w/50 or more carries/3rd in ypg all players)
Davis 7.7/79.8 (1/6)
Jones 7.2/76.3 (3/9)
Wortham 5.7/29.3 (/29)
Coon 8.1/26.8 (/33)
Rocker 4.0/14.7 (/46)
White 4.5/12.0 (/48)

Yes, MSU's run game is better than UM's. When you look at RBs only, we're still better at 195/game to 141/game; 7.4 ypc to 5.4. Who cares if Gillman would run for more yards if he was on MSU.

[onceacat]

Even more impressive because as you alluded to in regards to our turnovers yesterday, all our backups are playing in the 4th quarter nearly every game. While griz starters are in late throwing the ball because the game is in jeopardy. We have our backups in just running the ball and keeping the clock running. Ha.

And despite getting less run because it's less necessary, Lamson has still accounted for 2438 total yards and 26 total touchdowns to Ah Yat's 2839 total yards and 26 total touchdowns.

If you look at just BSC play, Lamson has 1553 total yards and 21 total touchdowns to Ah Yat's 1626 total yards and 13 total touchdowns.

That’s weird, I keep hearing how KAH is the second coming of Dave Dickensen.

[RickRund]

I’ll say what I said a couple weeks ago. The griz offense is good. I’m just not see what oldgriz is seeing that they are the obvious number one offense in the league.

Seems like our O has put up more points than theirs in league play. The common opponents we’ve played we’ve killed and they’ve let hang around.

Ah yat and other starters are good no doubt. I won’t bash on players. They look good. But numbers wise their starters get to play all game cause they can’t put anyone away.

I ask again, mainly to griz fans and especially to oldgriz claiming the griz are easily the better offense; what do they do that makes them better? Numbers don’t support it really and either do results of games.

I won’t even touch on the defense cause that isn’t close. I didn’t see final numbers but looks like that D gave up another 400 yards or so today. To a young kid. In their defense they stepped up when needed or a very bad eastern team had a chance to beat them!

In two weeks the 2 things I literally fear most is Washington Grizzly; and rowdy fans.

I know there has been talk about stats and all, but didn’t the Eags out stat the gris.

[91catAlum]

I’ll say what I said a couple weeks ago. The griz offense is good. I’m just not see what oldgriz is seeing that they are the obvious number one offense in the league.

Seems like our O has put up more points than theirs in league play. The common opponents we’ve played we’ve killed and they’ve let hang around.

Ah yat and other starters are good no doubt. I won’t bash on players. They look good. But numbers wise their starters get to play all game cause they can’t put anyone away.

I ask again, mainly to griz fans and especially to oldgriz claiming the griz are easily the better offense; what do they do that makes them better? Numbers don’t support it really and either do results of games.

I won’t even touch on the defense cause that isn’t close. I didn’t see final numbers but looks like that D gave up another 400 yards or so today. To a young kid. In their defense they stepped up when needed or a very bad eastern team had a chance to beat them!

In two weeks the 2 things I literally fear most is Washington Grizzly; and rowdy fans.

I know there has been talk about stats and all, but didn’t the Eags out stat the gris.

Yes.
STAT. EWU. um.
Tot yds. 479. 351
1st downs. 27. 13
3rd down. 11/21. 1/10
Time poss. 38m. 22m

Ewu was -2 in turnovers.

[RickRund]

The Oregon game isn’t “irrelevant” when Gris fans are using W/L record as a point of comparison.

UM hasn’t played anyone like Oregon, or even SDSU when they were healthy, and that’s really what matters in the SOS argument if W/L record matters.

The “best” team UM played is probably UND, and they just got beaten by a 4-loss team.

Sure, it's relevant in the sense that it accounts for one of the losses and therefore the Cats only have one loss that really deserves to be considered.

However, it's irrelevant in the sense that it won't be counted against MSU in ranking or seeding and therefore it doesn't make sense to cite it for the sake of SOS resume building.

I'll put it this way:

MSU's resume is not and should not be harmed by the fact that they have a road loss to a highly ranked FBS team.

Also, MSU's resume is not and should not be enhanced by the fact that they went to Eugene and got their doors blown off.

So throw out that loss for the Cats and throw out the Central Washington game for the Griz. Where does that leave them? With essentially comparable schedules:

-Both teams have played 5 conference games, 2 at home and 3 on the road; the collective records of the two opponent sets are identical at 18-27.

-Both teams have played good MVFC team at home that has recently fallen on hard times.

-Both teams have played two weak FCS teams OOC-- Mercyhurst and USD for the Cats; ISU and SH for the Griz.

So the SOS in my mind is basically identical. The difference is that the Griz won their game against UND narrowly and the Cats lost their game against SDSU narrowly. So I have no problem with the Griz being ranked ahead of MSU.

However, I also have no doubt that the Cats are the better team given how much better they've performed in conference play.

It’s going to be a fun rivalry game. It’s interesting that you have no doubt, yet the FCS coaches and the FCS writers who cover the game professionally see the Griz as the better team.

Any doubts today? If not you’re delusional

No doubts today. The Cats lost at home to a team (SDSU) that might not even make the playoffs.

It’s official. You are nothing more than a troll. Cats beat EWU 57-3. You guys EWU by 5 at home on a fumbled spike by their third string QB. What a joke. You have lots to celebrate but you would rather troll on the Cats board. Textbook definition of loser.

I answered the question that was asked of me. The Cats lost at home to a team (SDSU) that has lost to Indiana State, South Dakota and (SDSU) might not even make the playoffs. Cat fans seem to think the SDSU loss, plus the near-60-point loss to Oregon, are bragging points for SOS. LOL. Whatevs. The Griz haven’t lost to anyone. The Brawl will be fun.

I know you’re trolling, but should you consider to try to have a decent conversation, why don’t you start by listing all the starters for SDSU that are injured compared to when they played at MSU. Your argument also isn’t allowing for any growth to happen during a season, and I think we all know that MSU has dramatically improved since the first two games.

I don’t know how to highlight a sentence. Your last sentence IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

[MrGoodKat]

Even more impressive because as you alluded to in regards to our turnovers yesterday, all our backups are playing in the 4th quarter nearly every game. While griz starters are in late throwing the ball because the game is in jeopardy. We have our backups in just running the ball and keeping the clock running. Ha.

And despite getting less run because it's less necessary, Lamson has still accounted for 2438 total yards and 26 total touchdowns to Ah Yat's 2839 total yards and 26 total touchdowns.

If you look at just BSC play, Lamson has 1553 total yards and 21 total touchdowns to Ah Yat's 1626 total yards and 13 total touchdowns.

That’s weird, I keep hearing how KAH is the second coming of Dave Dickensen.

For being a RS Sophomore and being at the FCS level, he’s having an incredible year. I don’t begrudge the hype. I just think MSU’s guy is better.

If I have a quibble, it’s that it kind of gets glossed how he struggles once they run out of scripted offense.

[RickRund]

Much better? Not at all. For context, you’ll see that my responses have been to commenters who said the Cats are undoubtably better than the Griz, and I’ve merely suggested that not all of those FCS coaches and writers who rank the Griz above the Cats can be crazy. I took some bait above when asked if I have any doubts after today’s games. But honestly, I can’t say either team is much better than the other. Thats my point.

I was only speaking to you saying the griz were undoubtedly the best offense in the conference. I just don’t know what that’s based on.

They are surely the best offense in the Pioneer Conference.