How do Cats stack up against Griz

[ilovethecats]

The Oregon game isn’t “irrelevant” when Gris fans are using W/L record as a point of comparison.

UM hasn’t played anyone like Oregon, or even SDSU when they were healthy, and that’s really what matters in the SOS argument if W/L record matters.

The “best” team UM played is probably UND, and they just got beaten by a 4-loss team.

Sure, it's relevant in the sense that it accounts for one of the losses and therefore the Cats only have one loss that really deserves to be considered.

However, it's irrelevant in the sense that it won't be counted against MSU in ranking or seeding and therefore it doesn't make sense to cite it for the sake of SOS resume building.

I'll put it this way:

MSU's resume is not and should not be harmed by the fact that they have a road loss to a highly ranked FBS team.

Also, MSU's resume is not and should not be enhanced by the fact that they went to Eugene and got their doors blown off.

So throw out that loss for the Cats and throw out the Central Washington game for the Griz. Where does that leave them? With essentially comparable schedules:

-Both teams have played 5 conference games, 2 at home and 3 on the road; the collective records of the two opponent sets are identical at 18-27.

-Both teams have played good MVFC team at home that has recently fallen on hard times.

-Both teams have played two weak FCS teams OOC-- Mercyhurst and USD for the Cats; ISU and SH for the Griz.

So the SOS in my mind is basically identical. The difference is that the Griz won their game against UND narrowly and the Cats lost their game against SDSU narrowly. So I have no problem with the Griz being ranked ahead of MSU.

However, I also have no doubt that the Cats are the better team given how much better they've performed in conference play.

It’s going to be a fun rivalry game. It’s interesting that you have no doubt, yet the FCS coaches and the FCS writers who cover the game professionally see the Griz as the better team.

Any doubts today? If not you’re delusional

No doubts today. The Cats lost at home to a team (SDSU) that might not even make the playoffs.

It’s official. You are nothing more than a troll. Cats beat EWU 57-3. You guys EWU by 5 at home on a fumbled spike by their third string QB. What a joke. You have lots to celebrate but you would rather troll on the Cats board. Textbook definition of loser.

I answered the question that was asked of me. The Cats lost at home to a team (SDSU) that has lost to Indiana State, South Dakota and (SDSU) might not even make the playoffs. Cat fans seem to think the SDSU loss, plus the near-60-point loss to Oregon, are bragging points for SOS. LOL. Whatevs. The Griz haven’t lost to anyone. The Brawl will be fun.

Yes the Brawl will be a lot of fun, but not for the reasons you think...

The Cats have definitely dealt with adversity well. They’ve lost to a good team. They’ve lost to a mediocre team. They’ve beat bad teams, and they’ve beat good teams. It’s entirely possible the Cats could upset Montana in Missoula. I believe Montana will win, but it will be a fun contest under any circumstances.

“Upset”. Nice troll word again.

I mean, if he’s using the term “upset” based solely on the spread of the football game he could be right. Being in Missoula it’s plausible that the opening line of the game could favor the griz by 2-3 points. He’s on record guaranteeing the griz would be favored in every game this season.

However, if they have another lackluster performance against a horrendous Portland State team; and lose or win narrowly, they may not be favored at all. Especially if we handle Davis easily.

But right now I think their fans and their stadium are worth more points than their actual football team and I could see them favored by about 3.5. Then if we win it’d be an “upset”. Lol

[jgrilley406]

The Oregon game isn’t “irrelevant” when Gris fans are using W/L record as a point of comparison.

UM hasn’t played anyone like Oregon, or even SDSU when they were healthy, and that’s really what matters in the SOS argument if W/L record matters.

The “best” team UM played is probably UND, and they just got beaten by a 4-loss team.

Sure, it's relevant in the sense that it accounts for one of the losses and therefore the Cats only have one loss that really deserves to be considered.

However, it's irrelevant in the sense that it won't be counted against MSU in ranking or seeding and therefore it doesn't make sense to cite it for the sake of SOS resume building.

I'll put it this way:

MSU's resume is not and should not be harmed by the fact that they have a road loss to a highly ranked FBS team.

Also, MSU's resume is not and should not be enhanced by the fact that they went to Eugene and got their doors blown off.

So throw out that loss for the Cats and throw out the Central Washington game for the Griz. Where does that leave them? With essentially comparable schedules:

-Both teams have played 5 conference games, 2 at home and 3 on the road; the collective records of the two opponent sets are identical at 18-27.

-Both teams have played good MVFC team at home that has recently fallen on hard times.

-Both teams have played two weak FCS teams OOC-- Mercyhurst and USD for the Cats; ISU and SH for the Griz.

So the SOS in my mind is basically identical. The difference is that the Griz won their game against UND narrowly and the Cats lost their game against SDSU narrowly. So I have no problem with the Griz being ranked ahead of MSU.

However, I also have no doubt that the Cats are the better team given how much better they've performed in conference play.

It’s going to be a fun rivalry game. It’s interesting that you have no doubt, yet the FCS coaches and the FCS writers who cover the game professionally see the Griz as the better team.

Any doubts today? If not you’re delusional

No doubts today. The Cats lost at home to a team (SDSU) that might not even make the playoffs.

It’s official. You are nothing more than a troll. Cats beat EWU 57-3. You guys EWU by 5 at home on a fumbled spike by their third string QB. What a joke. You have lots to celebrate but you would rather troll on the Cats board. Textbook definition of loser.

I answered the question that was asked of me. The Cats lost at home to a team (SDSU) that has lost to Indiana State, South Dakota and (SDSU) might not even make the playoffs. Cat fans seem to think the SDSU loss, plus the near-60-point loss to Oregon, are bragging points for SOS. LOL. Whatevs. The Griz haven’t lost to anyone. The Brawl will be fun.

Yes the Brawl will be a lot of fun, but not for the reasons you think...

The Cats have definitely dealt with adversity well. They’ve lost to a good team. They’ve lost to a mediocre team. They’ve beat bad teams, and they’ve beat good teams. It’s entirely possible the Cats could upset Montana in Missoula. I believe Montana will win, but it will be a fun contest under any circumstances.

If you’re claiming a healthy SDSU team as mediocre, where do you claim UND and USD as a team, are they good teams, or is UND another mediocre/bad team that the griz almost lost to.

[BelligerentBobcat]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Those always make me chuckle. I especially love when they talk about how they play 2nd and 3rd stringers in the 2nd quarter. I imagine they’re just talking about rotating, which apparently is a new concept to many. Think we should tell them we’re playing 2nd string DL, CB’s, and LB’s in the first quarter? Lol

[ilovethecats]

Ya it’s funny cause ever since they had to come back to beat UND all we have heard is how great UND is. They’re 6-4. Just like Northern Arizona. Who I think is going to make the playoffs.

Their best win is literally near identical to our best win. And if you don’t consider ISU and EWU wins good wins for the Cats I’m ok with that. They are crappy teams that the Cats blew out. We don’t need credit for wins over lousy teams. But man, if I had to choose I sure would rather have the Cats beat those crap teams like we did, opposed to barely squeezing by against them like UM did.

[OldGriz]

Sure, it's relevant in the sense that it accounts for one of the losses and therefore the Cats only have one loss that really deserves to be considered.

However, it's irrelevant in the sense that it won't be counted against MSU in ranking or seeding and therefore it doesn't make sense to cite it for the sake of SOS resume building.

I'll put it this way:

MSU's resume is not and should not be harmed by the fact that they have a road loss to a highly ranked FBS team.

Also, MSU's resume is not and should not be enhanced by the fact that they went to Eugene and got their doors blown off.

So throw out that loss for the Cats and throw out the Central Washington game for the Griz. Where does that leave them? With essentially comparable schedules:

-Both teams have played 5 conference games, 2 at home and 3 on the road; the collective records of the two opponent sets are identical at 18-27.

-Both teams have played good MVFC team at home that has recently fallen on hard times.

-Both teams have played two weak FCS teams OOC-- Mercyhurst and USD for the Cats; ISU and SH for the Griz.

So the SOS in my mind is basically identical. The difference is that the Griz won their game against UND narrowly and the Cats lost their game against SDSU narrowly. So I have no problem with the Griz being ranked ahead of MSU.

However, I also have no doubt that the Cats are the better team given how much better they've performed in conference play.

It’s going to be a fun rivalry game. It’s interesting that you have no doubt, yet the FCS coaches and the FCS writers who cover the game professionally see the Griz as the better team.

Any doubts today? If not you’re delusional

No doubts today. The Cats lost at home to a team (SDSU) that might not even make the playoffs.

It’s official. You are nothing more than a troll. Cats beat EWU 57-3. You guys EWU by 5 at home on a fumbled spike by their third string QB. What a joke. You have lots to celebrate but you would rather troll on the Cats board. Textbook definition of loser.

I answered the question that was asked of me. The Cats lost at home to a team (SDSU) that has lost to Indiana State, South Dakota and (SDSU) might not even make the playoffs. Cat fans seem to think the SDSU loss, plus the near-60-point loss to Oregon, are bragging points for SOS. LOL. Whatevs. The Griz haven’t lost to anyone. The Brawl will be fun.

Yes the Brawl will be a lot of fun, but not for the reasons you think...

The Cats have definitely dealt with adversity well. They’ve lost to a good team. They’ve lost to a mediocre team. They’ve beat bad teams, and they’ve beat good teams. It’s entirely possible the Cats could upset Montana in Missoula. I believe Montana will win, but it will be a fun contest under any circumstances.

“Upset”. Nice troll word again.

I mean, if he’s using the term “upset” based solely on the spread of the football game he could be right. Being in Missoula it’s plausible that the opening line of the game could favor the griz by 2-3 points. He’s on record guaranteeing the griz would be favored in every game this season.

However, if they have another lackluster performance against a horrendous Portland State team; and lose or win narrowly, they may not be favored at all. Especially if we handle Davis easily.

But right now I think their fans and their stadium are worth more points than their actual football team and I could see them favored by about 3.5. Then if we win it’d be an “upset”. Lol

I don’t see anyone disagreeing with you. I think Montana is better than you do, but you have articulated a plausible path by which Montana goes into The Brawl as the favorite.

[catapult]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

[ilovethecats]

I don’t see anyone disagreeing with you. I think Montana is better than you do, but you have articulated a plausible path by which Montana goes into The Brawl as the favorite.

Well as a Griz fan you most certainly think the Griz are better than I do. As it should be!

I have a healthy respect for the Griz. I think they are a good football team. I mean you’re 10-0 and #2 in the country. I’m certainly not suggesting UM isn’t a good team.

It’s just in the games I’ve seen they don’t do anything that really concerns me enough to think we shouldn’t win our game. But it’s cat griz and it’s Missoula so I certainly am not suggesting the Cats couldn’t lose.

I’m just WAY more worried about the energy of your fans and the stadium than anything else. If we were in Bozeman I’d guess we’d win by 20. Neutral field maybe 7-10. But in Missoula our guys better be ready to weather the early storm your fans bring with their energy.

[ilovethecats]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just another ridiculous thing they’re saying over there. I guess to justify why our offense is somehow equal or better than their incredible offense in nearly every statistical category. It’s can’t be because our offense is just as good as theirs. Maybe better? No, it HAS to be that we just keep our starters in way to long in games we’ve blown them out!

[BelligerentBobcat]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just another ridiculous thing they’re saying over there. I guess to justify why our offense is somehow equal or better than their incredible offense in nearly every statistical category. It’s can’t be because our offense is just as good as theirs. Maybe better? No, it HAS to be that we just keep our starters in way to long in games we’ve blown them out!

Here’s where you’re finally wrong ILTC. MSU’s offense is not just as good as theirs or equal to theirs in any facet.

There is not a single thing on offense they do better than we do. Not one.

[Cataholic]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

I will add that the Cats showed more physicality yesterday than any game I can recall in some time. They just flat out flying around and hammering guys. It reminded me of NDSU in Frisco last year. We are also deeper than any Cat team in the past. We have multiple 2nd and 3rd string guys that would start on other Big Sky teams.

[MSU Toddler]

If the mighty EWU Eagles couldn't pull out a win in Missoula against the gris this late in the season, the Cats stand no chance...

[OldGriz]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just another ridiculous thing they’re saying over there. I guess to justify why our offense is somehow equal or better than their incredible offense in nearly every statistical category. It’s can’t be because our offense is just as good as theirs. Maybe better? No, it HAS to be that we just keep our starters in way to long in games we’ve blown them out!

Here’s where you’re finally wrong ILTC. MSU’s offense is not just as good as theirs or equal to theirs in any facet.

There is not a single thing on offense they do better than we do. Not one.

Where do we start? You realize that going into Saturday, in conference play, the Montana offense has scored more points, passed for more yards, committed fewer penalties, and has turned the ball over less than the Cats. I’m sure there are more things than just those four where Montana has done better than the Cats. Of course, this weekend’s play may have affected some stats, and we shall see when the conference website updates its team totals.

[MrGoodKat]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just another ridiculous thing they’re saying over there. I guess to justify why our offense is somehow equal or better than their incredible offense in nearly every statistical category. It’s can’t be because our offense is just as good as theirs. Maybe better? No, it HAS to be that we just keep our starters in way to long in games we’ve blown them out!

Here’s where you’re finally wrong ILTC. MSU’s offense is not just as good as theirs or equal to theirs in any facet.

There is not a single thing on offense they do better than we do. Not one.

Where do we start? You realize that going into Saturday, in conference play, the Montana offense has scored more points, passed for more yards, committed fewer penalties, and has turned the ball over less than the Cats. I’m sure there are more things than just those four where Montana has done better than the Cats. Of course, this weekend’s play may have affected some stats, and we shall see when the conference website updates its team totals.

Heading into yesterday's games, MSU had scored 228 points in BSC play to UM's 198. After yesterday's games, those numbers are 294 and 227 respectively.

MSU also came into yesterday with 2 turnovers in BSC play to UM's 4. They now both have 4, but only because the Cats' backup QB fumbled twice in garbage time.

MSU's offense has been drastically superior to UM's in conference. There's no way around that. The gap between the defenses has been even bigger.

[ilovethecats]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just another ridiculous thing they’re saying over there. I guess to justify why our offense is somehow equal or better than their incredible offense in nearly every statistical category. It’s can’t be because our offense is just as good as theirs. Maybe better? No, it HAS to be that we just keep our starters in way to long in games we’ve blown them out!

Here’s where you’re finally wrong ILTC. MSU’s offense is not just as good as theirs or equal to theirs in any facet.

There is not a single thing on offense they do better than we do. Not one.

Where do we start? You realize that going into Saturday, in conference play, the Montana offense has scored more points, passed for more yards, committed fewer penalties, and has turned the ball over less than the Cats. I’m sure there are more things than just those four where Montana has done better than the Cats. Of course, this weekend’s play may have affected some stats, and we shall see when the conference website updates its team totals.

Heading into yesterday's games, MSU had scored 228 points in BSC play to UM's 198. After yesterday's games, those numbers are 294 and 227 respectively.

MSU also came into yesterday with 2 turnovers in BSC play to UM's 4. They now both have 4, but only because the Cats' backup QB fumbled twice in garbage time.

MSU's offense has been drastically superior to UM's in conference. There's no way around that. The gap between the defenses has been even bigger.

Even more impressive because as you alluded to in regards to our turnovers yesterday, all our backups are playing in the 4th quarter nearly every game. While griz starters are in late throwing the ball because the game is in jeopardy. We have our backups in just running the ball and keeping the clock running. Ha.

[OldGriz]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just another ridiculous thing they’re saying over there. I guess to justify why our offense is somehow equal or better than their incredible offense in nearly every statistical category. It’s can’t be because our offense is just as good as theirs. Maybe better? No, it HAS to be that we just keep our starters in way to long in games we’ve blown them out!

Here’s where you’re finally wrong ILTC. MSU’s offense is not just as good as theirs or equal to theirs in any facet.

There is not a single thing on offense they do better than we do. Not one.

Where do we start? You realize that going into Saturday, in conference play, the Montana offense has scored more points, passed for more yards, committed fewer penalties, and has turned the ball over less than the Cats. I’m sure there are more things than just those four where Montana has done better than the Cats. Of course, this weekend’s play may have affected some stats, and we shall see when the conference website updates its team totals.

Heading into yesterday's games, MSU had scored 228 points in BSC play to UM's 198. After yesterday's games, those numbers are 294 and 227 respectively.

MSU also came into yesterday with 2 turnovers in BSC play to UM's 4. They now both have 4, but only because the Cats' backup QB fumbled twice in garbage time.

MSU's offense has been drastically superior to UM's in conference. There's no way around that. The gap between the defenses has been even bigger.

You are just wrong.

https://bigskyconf.com/stats.aspx?path= ... &year=2025

[catgrad05]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just another ridiculous thing they’re saying over there. I guess to justify why our offense is somehow equal or better than their incredible offense in nearly every statistical category. It’s can’t be because our offense is just as good as theirs. Maybe better? No, it HAS to be that we just keep our starters in way to long in games we’ve blown them out!

Here’s where you’re finally wrong ILTC. MSU’s offense is not just as good as theirs or equal to theirs in any facet.

There is not a single thing on offense they do better than we do. Not one.

Where do we start? You realize that going into Saturday, in conference play, the Montana offense has scored more points, passed for more yards, committed fewer penalties, and has turned the ball over less than the Cats. I’m sure there are more things than just those four where Montana has done better than the Cats. Of course, this weekend’s play may have affected some stats, and we shall see when the conference website updates its team totals.

But but I thought you where not a “stats” guy and used more of the eye test theory?

[iaafan]

Conference Only: 6 games played each
(I bolded and underlined all the areas UM leads MSU)

Points
MSU - 49.0
UM - 37.8

Points Allowed
MSU 10.8
UM 25.5

Total Offense
MSU 7.6 ypp/502.5 ypg
UM 6.4 ypp/437.0 ypg

Total Defense
MSU 4.2/282.3
UM 5.7/414.5

Rush Offense
MSU 6.3/270.0
UM 4.4/156.7

Rush Defense
MSU 3.2/89.5
UM 3.2/96.3

Pass Offense
MSU 9.8/232.3
UM 8.5/280.3

Pass Defense
MSU 5.0/192.8
UM 7.4/318.2

Pass Efficiency Offense
MSU 188.0
UM 151.1

Pass Efficiency Defense
MSU 100.7
UM 125.8

[BelligerentBobcat]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just another ridiculous thing they’re saying over there. I guess to justify why our offense is somehow equal or better than their incredible offense in nearly every statistical category. It’s can’t be because our offense is just as good as theirs. Maybe better? No, it HAS to be that we just keep our starters in way to long in games we’ve blown them out!

Here’s where you’re finally wrong ILTC. MSU’s offense is not just as good as theirs or equal to theirs in any facet.

There is not a single thing on offense they do better than we do. Not one.

Where do we start? You realize that going into Saturday, in conference play, the Montana offense has scored more points, passed for more yards, committed fewer penalties, and has turned the ball over less than the Cats. I’m sure there are more things than just those four where Montana has done better than the Cats. Of course, this weekend’s play may have affected some stats, and we shall see when the conference website updates its team totals.

Heading into yesterday's games, MSU had scored 228 points in BSC play to UM's 198. After yesterday's games, those numbers are 294 and 227 respectively.

MSU also came into yesterday with 2 turnovers in BSC play to UM's 4. They now both have 4, but only because the Cats' backup QB fumbled twice in garbage time.

MSU's offense has been drastically superior to UM's in conference. There's no way around that. The gap between the defenses has been even bigger.

You are just wrong.

https://bigskyconf.com/stats.aspx?path= ... &year=2025

You specified “in conference play”. You better check those numbers again.

[iaafan]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just another ridiculous thing they’re saying over there. I guess to justify why our offense is somehow equal or better than their incredible offense in nearly every statistical category. It’s can’t be because our offense is just as good as theirs. Maybe better? No, it HAS to be that we just keep our starters in way to long in games we’ve blown them out!

Here’s where you’re finally wrong ILTC. MSU’s offense is not just as good as theirs or equal to theirs in any facet.

There is not a single thing on offense they do better than we do. Not one.

Where do we start? You realize that going into Saturday, in conference play, the Montana offense has scored more points, passed for more yards, committed fewer penalties, and has turned the ball over less than the Cats. I’m sure there are more things than just those four where Montana has done better than the Cats. Of course, this weekend’s play may have affected some stats, and we shall see when the conference website updates its team totals.

Heading into yesterday's games, MSU had scored 228 points in BSC play to UM's 198. After yesterday's games, those numbers are 294 and 227 respectively.

MSU also came into yesterday with 2 turnovers in BSC play to UM's 4. They now both have 4, but only because the Cats' backup QB fumbled twice in garbage time.

MSU's offense has been drastically superior to UM's in conference. There's no way around that. The gap between the defenses has been even bigger.

You are just wrong.

https://bigskyconf.com/stats.aspx?path= ... &year=2025

You specified “in conference play”. You better check those numbers again.

And the ONLY reason the Overall stats are close is because we played Oregon and they played Central Washington. Take those two games out and it's a landslide almost the same as the Conference-only stats.

[onceacat]

MSU is (for the most part) putting teams away & resting starters for large portions of the 4th quarter is pretty significant.

Are we sure this is correct? Cause I’ve read many times on egriz that we keep our starters in the game late in blowouts to pad our stats……..

Absolutely correct. Don’t fall for the griz narrative of us leaving offensive starters in the 4th quarter to run up scores. That is completely false! I’ve watched both teams games in their entirety and gone through the play-by-play breakdown of both teams games to date. Cats have had to leave starters in deep into the 4th quarter 3 of 10 games and Griz have had to keep their starters in deep into the 4th quarter for 6 of 10 games. On average, Cats sit Lamson at the 14 minute mark in the 4th. I won’t waste my time looking at the defensive side…we have rotated 20+ on that side of the ball ALL 4 quarters ALL season! A nice little bonus too is the Griz will have played 11 in a row by Cat/griz. They are beat up with minimal depth. For Cat/griz game, Cats need to show up and play with their hair on fire to match the games beginning intensity. They do that and we boat race em!

Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just another ridiculous thing they’re saying over there. I guess to justify why our offense is somehow equal or better than their incredible offense in nearly every statistical category. It’s can’t be because our offense is just as good as theirs. Maybe better? No, it HAS to be that we just keep our starters in way to long in games we’ve blown them out!

Here’s where you’re finally wrong ILTC. MSU’s offense is not just as good as theirs or equal to theirs in any facet.

There is not a single thing on offense they do better than we do. Not one.

Where do we start? You realize that going into Saturday, in conference play, the Montana offense has scored more points, passed for more yards, committed fewer penalties, and has turned the ball over less than the Cats. I’m sure there are more things than just those four where Montana has done better than the Cats. Of course, this weekend’s play may have affected some stats, and we shall see when the conference website updates its team totals.

Thats simply not true.

Scoring: MSU 294 UM 227. Not even close. MSU scored more points in the first 5 games of conference play that the Pandas have scored in 6
Penalties: Not an offensive state, but still...MSU 48 yards per game, UM 53 yards per game.
Passing: Here's a spot where liars figure...Cats have been resting their QB & running out the clock in all of our conference games. Gris are still slinging the ball around trying to score in the 4th quarter after the Cats have put in scrubs. Which explains why the gris need more passing yards & why their KAYs passer rating is so much worse than Lamson's (193 vs 150...these guys aren't even close. Its like KAY is playing with the Raptors and Lamson is playing FCS)

You may be correct about turnovers though. 1 out of 4 isn't too bad!