Transfer Portal

[BelligerentBobcat]

I hate it…. Just frickin hate it.

Even Idaho. I hate that they are losing these players, as a fan I want to watch the cats play against these guys like McCoy for their whole career.

I was watching Idaho in the playoffs and I cringed every time the announcer kept mentioning Idaho’s young talent, it’s almost like FCS playoff games are live recruiting videos for bigger schools. I was expecting them to get hit hard, they also have a couple young lineman I would expect to be getting NIL offers as well.

I promise you that other schools don’t need to hear the broadcasters talk about the talent to find it.

[SparkCat]

I hate it…. Just frickin hate it.

Even Idaho. I hate that they are losing these players, as a fan I want to watch the cats play against these guys like McCoy for their whole career.

This is going to be a bit of a rant, so i apologize in advance. You're exactly right. This sucks. There are ways to mitigate this issue for the smaller schools but that would require the NCAA to give a damn about the smaller schools, which is demonstrably untrue to this point. I'm not a big donor, I'm not even a medium donor, but I belong to QBC and give to both the bobcat club and the collective, and the way this looks and feels right now makes it hard to be enthused to keep giving money that won't ever match the next tier up. Same is true I'm sure for mwc teams, etc. This NIL/portal tandem will render obsolete the redshirt, and by extension the developmental program. I don't know how you ever maintain the quality of play if everyone's 5-6 impact players, or more, get plucked every year. I know I'm whining but i honestly don't know how Montana state, the fcs, the g5 etc on up to maybe the top 25 or 30 programs survive in this new environment. Hoping some of you smart people can give me some insight.

What was the catalyst that drove to the portal?

They need loyalty contracts. Such as, if you redshirt here you owe us x amount of seasons of play. Unless there are exigent circumstances your staying and if you leave you sit x amount of time and/or as a number have mentioned, a bigger school takes a player, half that NIL contract goes to the schoooll losing the player. Basically, rules need to be set to make it either less appealing or beneficial to FCS or lower tier FBS schools. None of that will happen though, money and tv contracts will dictate how the future of NCAA athletics go.

[GoldstoneCat]

I hate it…. Just frickin hate it.

Even Idaho. I hate that they are losing these players, as a fan I want to watch the cats play against these guys like McCoy for their whole career.

This is going to be a bit of a rant, so i apologize in advance. You're exactly right. This sucks. There are ways to mitigate this issue for the smaller schools but that would require the NCAA to give a damn about the smaller schools, which is demonstrably untrue to this point. I'm not a big donor, I'm not even a medium donor, but I belong to QBC and give to both the bobcat club and the collective, and the way this looks and feels right now makes it hard to be enthused to keep giving money that won't ever match the next tier up. Same is true I'm sure for mwc teams, etc. This NIL/portal tandem will render obsolete the redshirt, and by extension the developmental program. I don't know how you ever maintain the quality of play if everyone's 5-6 impact players, or more, get plucked every year. I know I'm whining but i honestly don't know how Montana state, the fcs, the g5 etc on up to maybe the top 25 or 30 programs survive in this new environment. Hoping some of you smart people can give me some insight.

You survive via reverse osmosis. Not sure if that actually applies to what I'm trying to say, but you need to get dropdowns and transfers from other schools be they JC, FCS or FBS. MSU has done well with this already. Chambers, Davis, Thomas, McCullouch, Alexander, Polidore, Reed, Hehl....

MSU may be gaining more than it's losing with it. It's nice to keep guys around for familiarity sake but ...

I understand your point but this level has always been able to take those guys without them sitting out. It's the lack of a barrier the other way that makes this so impossible.

[CatsNoMatterWhat]

I hate it…. Just frickin hate it.

Even Idaho. I hate that they are losing these players, as a fan I want to watch the cats play against these guys like McCoy for their whole career.

This is going to be a bit of a rant, so i apologize in advance. You're exactly right. This sucks. There are ways to mitigate this issue for the smaller schools but that would require the NCAA to give a damn about the smaller schools, which is demonstrably untrue to this point. I'm not a big donor, I'm not even a medium donor, but I belong to QBC and give to both the bobcat club and the collective, and the way this looks and feels right now makes it hard to be enthused to keep giving money that won't ever match the next tier up. Same is true I'm sure for mwc teams, etc. This NIL/portal tandem will render obsolete the redshirt, and by extension the developmental program. I don't know how you ever maintain the quality of play if everyone's 5-6 impact players, or more, get plucked every year. I know I'm whining but i honestly don't know how Montana state, the fcs, the g5 etc on up to maybe the top 25 or 30 programs survive in this new environment. Hoping some of you smart people can give me some insight.

You survive via reverse osmosis. Not sure if that actually applies to what I'm trying to say, but you need to get dropdowns and transfers from other schools be they JC, FCS or FBS. MSU has done well with this already. Chambers, Davis, Thomas, McCullouch, Alexander, Polidore, Reed, Hehl....

MSU may be gaining more than it's losing with it. It's nice to keep guys around for familiarity sake but ...

I understand your point but this level has always been able to take those guys without them sitting out. It's the lack of a barrier the other way that makes this so impossible.

I think there are two things at work here...and every fan is going to feel differently about them.

1. If winning is all that matters to you (as is the case with many fans), then you have to hope you can get a coaching staff that can effectively do what Tom said and work the system as well as the guys above are working it; if you can do that...you'll be a contender every year.

2. If you want to develop a sense of family with the players...if watching them play for 4 years is important to you...then this system will never ever be acceptable. Because the best players are going to move on.

All depends on how you look at it I suppose. Frankly...I'd like the Cats to be a perennial contender. Whatever that means...I guess it means. I have total respect for people who feel differently.

[tetoncat]

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Unreal.
Changes need to be made for the FCS to have any hope of hanging on to their most talented players.

Hard to believe he only threw for 15 TDs with the WR he had.

[Helcat72]

Realistically, how many FBS schools are going to give Gevani McCoy a lot of NIL money to play for them. He's not that big. In the FBS he may take a few hits and then he's on the DL. He also didn't have that good of year with those receivers after teams had seen him once.

[GoCats18]

Dylan Rollins, Sentinel Spartan standout o-lineman, BYU commit, went on mission, entered the portal today.

[Camo_Cat]

I’d be pretty surprised if Rollins doesn’t come here.

Was Dylan a Choate recruit or was he a Vigen recruit? If he was a Choate recruit, would that relationship with MSU still exist?

[91catAlum]

Realistically, how many FBS schools are going to give Gevani McCoy a lot of NIL money to play for them. He's not that big. In the FBS he may take a few hits and then he's on the DL. He also didn't have that good of year with those receivers after teams had seen him once.

Not sure how many, but I guarantee he'll get more NIL at a G5 than he gets at Idaho.

[onceacat]

Realistically, how many FBS schools are going to give Gevani McCoy a lot of NIL money to play for them. He's not that big. In the FBS he may take a few hits and then he's on the DL. He also didn't have that good of year with those receivers after teams had seen him once.

He's about 40 lbs undersized right now, which could probably be fixed in an off season in the weight room. But there are certainly a handful of P5 QBs playing at around his size. I could see him getting picked up as a stretch project by a formerly Pac 12 team like Utah or one of the 4 corners schools. He's clearly good enough to play at an MWC school.

[kennethnoisewater]

I hate it…. Just frickin hate it.

Even Idaho. I hate that they are losing these players, as a fan I want to watch the cats play against these guys like McCoy for their whole career.

This is going to be a bit of a rant, so i apologize in advance. You're exactly right. This sucks. There are ways to mitigate this issue for the smaller schools but that would require the NCAA to give a damn about the smaller schools, which is demonstrably untrue to this point. I'm not a big donor, I'm not even a medium donor, but I belong to QBC and give to both the bobcat club and the collective, and the way this looks and feels right now makes it hard to be enthused to keep giving money that won't ever match the next tier up. Same is true I'm sure for mwc teams, etc. This NIL/portal tandem will render obsolete the redshirt, and by extension the developmental program. I don't know how you ever maintain the quality of play if everyone's 5-6 impact players, or more, get plucked every year. I know I'm whining but i honestly don't know how Montana state, the fcs, the g5 etc on up to maybe the top 25 or 30 programs survive in this new environment. Hoping some of you smart people can give me some insight.

You survive via reverse osmosis. Not sure if that actually applies to what I'm trying to say, but you need to get dropdowns and transfers from other schools be they JC, FCS or FBS. MSU has done well with this already. Chambers, Davis, Thomas, McCullouch, Alexander, Polidore, Reed, Hehl....

MSU may be gaining more than it's losing with it. It's nice to keep guys around for familiarity sake but ...

I understand your point but this level has always been able to take those guys without them sitting out. It's the lack of a barrier the other way that makes this so impossible.

I agree with you and @TomCat88 both here.

I think Tom is right that the talent will eventually be a wash. I've said before that water finds its level. There are still the same amount of players for the same amount of spots, so I think good programs will lose players and replace them with relatively similar players overall. Win some and lose some.

HOWEVER, I wonder how things will shake out for everybody outside of the big conferences. Will there be enough interest to keep people coming and giving money? Will TV networks care at all about anybody besides those big programs? Will fans quit caring about their smaller programs because there's a new roster every year? Or will that next tier grow in popularity because casual fans will recognize it as the highest level of amateur football? I don't like it. I hope the smaller FBS and stronger FCS programs can form a league or classification that makes sense financially and can clearly determine a national championship. That's the best I can hope for.

[catatac]

Count me in the camp that hates the portal, NIL, and specifically what it does to FCS football. I read somewhere that some NDSU players were gearing up to hit the portal but rich boosters got together and paid up to keep them. Really sad that it literally all comes down to the almighty dollar. So if our beloved Cats have any billionaire fans out there, will you please call Seabass and our O Linemen and tell them you'll give them $100,000 to stay? I could honestly see this happening with the3 Washington family over the hill paying Bergen to stay put.

[91catAlum]

Furman QB in the portal.
This is getting ridiculous.

[AFCAT]

Count me in the camp that hates the portal, NIL, and specifically what it does to FCS football. I read somewhere that some NDSU players were gearing up to hit the portal but rich boosters got together and paid up to keep them. Really sad that it literally all comes down to the almighty dollar. So if our beloved Cats have any billionaire fans out there, will you please call Seabass and our O Linemen and tell them you'll give them $100,000 to stay? I could honestly see this happening with the3 Washington family over the hill paying Bergen to stay put.

Um had a lot of debt when they built their football facility and their billionaire benefactor didn’t pay that off for them. If Junior changed his last name to Washington, they might kick in some cash to keep him.

[technoCat]

Furman QB in the portal.
This is getting ridiculous.

Yeah I dont get the need to throw the however in there....

[GoldstoneCat]

I hate it…. Just frickin hate it.

Even Idaho. I hate that they are losing these players, as a fan I want to watch the cats play against these guys like McCoy for their whole career.

This is going to be a bit of a rant, so i apologize in advance. You're exactly right. This sucks. There are ways to mitigate this issue for the smaller schools but that would require the NCAA to give a damn about the smaller schools, which is demonstrably untrue to this point. I'm not a big donor, I'm not even a medium donor, but I belong to QBC and give to both the bobcat club and the collective, and the way this looks and feels right now makes it hard to be enthused to keep giving money that won't ever match the next tier up. Same is true I'm sure for mwc teams, etc. This NIL/portal tandem will render obsolete the redshirt, and by extension the developmental program. I don't know how you ever maintain the quality of play if everyone's 5-6 impact players, or more, get plucked every year. I know I'm whining but i honestly don't know how Montana state, the fcs, the g5 etc on up to maybe the top 25 or 30 programs survive in this new environment. Hoping some of you smart people can give me some insight.

You survive via reverse osmosis. Not sure if that actually applies to what I'm trying to say, but you need to get dropdowns and transfers from other schools be they JC, FCS or FBS. MSU has done well with this already. Chambers, Davis, Thomas, McCullouch, Alexander, Polidore, Reed, Hehl....

MSU may be gaining more than it's losing with it. It's nice to keep guys around for familiarity sake but ...

I understand your point but this level has always been able to take those guys without them sitting out. It's the lack of a barrier the other way that makes this so impossible.

I agree with you and @TomCat88 both here.

I think Tom is right that the talent will eventually be a wash. I've said before that water finds its level. There are still the same amount of players for the same amount of spots, so I think good programs will lose players and replace them with relatively similar players overall. Win some and lose some.

HOWEVER, I wonder how things will shake out for everybody outside of the big conferences. Will there be enough interest to keep people coming and giving money? Will TV networks care at all about anybody besides those big programs? Will fans quit caring about their smaller programs because there's a new roster every year? Or will that next tier grow in popularity because casual fans will recognize it as the highest level of amateur football? I don't like it. I hope the smaller FBS and stronger FCS programs can form a league or classification that makes sense financially and can clearly determine a national championship. That's the best I can hope for.

Agree with most all of what you said. The "water finds its level" argument is true to a degree but we aren't swapping starting OL for starting OL. Our premium positions get picked over and in return we often get more devalued positions like RB, safety etc. We don't often get starting caliber guys on the fronts, with the obvious exception of somebody like sterk and amandre who came here because of the coach being their position coach at UW. I think a reclassification with some boundaries in the portal/NIL is how this can be fixed but I'm not sure who cares enough to fix it.

[tetoncat]

Do all these FCS QBs think they will go FBS. There are a couple each year who can make it. I suppose if they Grad transfer it let's them get some of that school paid for if they play or not, and many are on 6th year of school. So I suppose try it out. But with so many moving FBS to FBS hard to see many open spots versus coming back to where you are sure starter.

[wbtfg]

I’d be pretty surprised if Rollins doesn’t come here.

Was Dylan a Choate recruit or was he a Vigen recruit? If he was a Choate recruit, would that relationship with MSU still exist?

His dad and brother both played for the cats, so I assume the relationship is still strong.

[SparkCat]

Do all these FCS QBs think they will go FBS. There are a couple each year who can make it. I suppose if they Grad transfer it let's them get some of that school paid for if they play or not, and many are on 6th year of school. So I suppose try it out. But with so many moving FBS to FBS hard to see many open spots versus coming back to where you are sure starter.

This right here. Sluka has been in since 11/20 and still no projections or interest know to the public. With Ifanse last year, 247 Sports was pretty accurate with his portal interests. Only thing that adds value to McCoy is only being a sophomore.

[tetoncat]

Do all these FCS QBs think they will go FBS. There are a couple each year who can make it. I suppose if they Grad transfer it let's them get some of that school paid for if they play or not, and many are on 6th year of school. So I suppose try it out. But with so many moving FBS to FBS hard to see many open spots versus coming back to where you are sure starter.

This right here. Sluka has been in since 11/20 and still no projections or interest know to the public. With Ifanse last year, 247 Sports was pretty accurate with his portal interests. Only thing that adds value to McCoy is only being a sophomore.

But only throwing for 15 TD'S, in a dome 1/2 the time and Hatton as your main guy? Not sure those numbers convince teams he can throw against even decent mid major programs consistently.