Lia Thomas
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Lia Thomas
Has anyone been following any of this story? The trans-female collegiate swimmer who is just shattering records?
I know we had some discussions in the past about our feelings of genetic males transitioning to females and competing in sports. And while I know everything gets political, this is not my intent. But have you seen these videos?! This woman is now shattering collegiate records. Winning races by record times. I saw the latest video where she was completely done while all the other women still had to lengths to go! I’ll try to find the video.
I’m all for humans being who they want to be. Gay, straight, man, woman, trans. I don’t care. But in terms of genetic makeup, and competition, and I the only one totally appalled by this?
Again, no politics. I’m not interested in that. I’m interested in thoughts of males transitioning to female, competing in sports, and dominating against genetic females. As a father of an athletic daughter, I can’t keep myself from getting pissed.
And I’m looking for discussion to help pass time of the slowest week of my life!
Truthfully I’m curious to hear other opinions. Maybe I’m looking at it wrong.
I know we had some discussions in the past about our feelings of genetic males transitioning to females and competing in sports. And while I know everything gets political, this is not my intent. But have you seen these videos?! This woman is now shattering collegiate records. Winning races by record times. I saw the latest video where she was completely done while all the other women still had to lengths to go! I’ll try to find the video.
I’m all for humans being who they want to be. Gay, straight, man, woman, trans. I don’t care. But in terms of genetic makeup, and competition, and I the only one totally appalled by this?
Again, no politics. I’m not interested in that. I’m interested in thoughts of males transitioning to female, competing in sports, and dominating against genetic females. As a father of an athletic daughter, I can’t keep myself from getting pissed.
And I’m looking for discussion to help pass time of the slowest week of my life!
Truthfully I’m curious to hear other opinions. Maybe I’m looking at it wrong.
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Re: Lia Thomas
Not to hijack your thread but since this has already been discussed multiple times in the past I have a new but related question:
Has anyone ever heard an argument from the other side that convinced them to change their view on this subject?
Has anyone ever heard an argument from the other side that convinced them to change their view on this subject?
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Re: Lia Thomas
On this one particular? I’m not sure. I change my mind on subjects all the time though when provided with compelling thoughts.coloradocat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:40 pmNot to hijack your thread but since this has already been discussed multiple times in the past I have a new but related question:
Has anyone ever heard an argument from the other side that convinced them to change their view on this subject?
I’ve followed it a bit the last couple weeks but it wasn’t until the latest video where she won her race by 40 seconds that really jumped out at me.
I wonder if her situation will have the ncaa thinking about adjusting the criteria at all?
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Yeah, I meant this topic in particular. I just remember the last time this came up and it turned into yelling back and forth with no attempt to convince the other side. I'm hoping this time someone can bring an argument that takes their opposition's opinion into account rather than just yelling into the wind like at the UTM game.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:52 pmOn this one particular? I’m not sure. I change my mind on subjects all the time though when provided with compelling thoughts.coloradocat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:40 pmNot to hijack your thread but since this has already been discussed multiple times in the past I have a new but related question:
Has anyone ever heard an argument from the other side that convinced them to change their view on this subject?
I’ve followed it a bit the last couple weeks but it wasn’t until the latest video where she won her race by 40 seconds that really jumped out at me.
I wonder if her situation will have the ncaa thinking about adjusting the criteria at all?
If the NCAA hasn't changed any rules at this point I doubt they will because of this person.
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Re: Lia Thomas
I believe all members of the women's team have come out against him competing on the swim team. They are ticked off.
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Re: Lia Thomas
Being the dad of a little girl, this sort of sh*t pisses me off to no end. Some hack dude couldn't cut it on the men's team and decides that he's now a girl and can compete and set records against women. Utter BS.
Hell, I saw a podcast interview with "Lia" and it's not like she's even trying to hide the deepness of her voice. Take a gander:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jDPOQ5D8DM
Hell, I saw a podcast interview with "Lia" and it's not like she's even trying to hide the deepness of her voice. Take a gander:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jDPOQ5D8DM
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Yep!!!TIrwin24 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:46 amBeing the dad of a little girl, this sort of sh*t pisses me off to no end. Some hack dude couldn't cut it on the men's team and decides that he's now a girl and can compete and set records against women. Utter BS.
Hell, I saw a podcast interview with "Lia" and it's not like she's even trying to hide the deepness of her voice. Take a gander:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jDPOQ5D8DM
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I wonder if it’s because it’s swimming that this really hasn’t gotten much attention? I have to imagine if a UConn men’s basketball player transitioned and went to play for Geno on the women’s team and was shattering women’s records if the NCAA wouldn’t give the current guidelines a harder look?
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I agree. It will be interesting to see how the ncaa handles.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:39 pmI wonder if it’s because it’s swimming that this really hasn’t gotten much attention? I have to imagine if a UConn men’s basketball player transitioned and went to play for Geno on the women’s team and was shattering women’s records if the NCAA wouldn’t give the current guidelines a harder look?
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Re: Lia Thomas
This is going to reach critical mass at sometime, like when a school loads a basketball team and wins the NCAAs.
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Exactly what I have been thinking...Bobcat4Ever wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 4:15 pmThis is going to reach critical mass at sometime, like when a school loads a basketball team and wins the NCAAs.
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Re: Lia Thomas
I honestly can't see a dude doing the whole hormone thing just so they can better compete against another gender.
That said, this is in no way fair to women and should be absolutely prohibited. I can't believe there is any sane, thinking, sentient individual that would think a man on female hormones should compete against women. I find it unfathomable that a person could consider this fair competition. There is no argument for this based on science so it must be based on feelings, and in the case of the NCAA, political correctness.
That said, this is in no way fair to women and should be absolutely prohibited. I can't believe there is any sane, thinking, sentient individual that would think a man on female hormones should compete against women. I find it unfathomable that a person could consider this fair competition. There is no argument for this based on science so it must be based on feelings, and in the case of the NCAA, political correctness.
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Re: Lia Thomas
Cynthia Millen has officiated at USA Swimming events for 30 years, but she hung up her whistle last week in protest over Penn transgender swimmer Lia Thomas, and she hopes others will follow her lead.
“I told my fellow officials that I can no longer participate in a sport which allows biological men to compete against women. Everything fair about swimming is being destroyed,” she said in her letter, which she shared with The Washington Times.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... medium=RSS
“I told my fellow officials that I can no longer participate in a sport which allows biological men to compete against women. Everything fair about swimming is being destroyed,” she said in her letter, which she shared with The Washington Times.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... medium=RSS
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trans- ... scientists
What seems to be pretty obvious and many have been saying forever. But still interesting.
I'll be curious to see if all those people so passionate about following the science do so in this matter.
What seems to be pretty obvious and many have been saying forever. But still interesting.
I'll be curious to see if all those people so passionate about following the science do so in this matter.
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This is a grand slam, a 400 yd hole in one...ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:47 pmhttps://www.foxnews.com/politics/trans- ... scientists
What seems to be pretty obvious and many have been saying forever. But still interesting.
I'll be curious to see if all those people so passionate about following the science do so in this matter.
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Re: Lia Thomas
NCAA updates policy on transgender participation, to let each sport set eligibility requirements
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... =148864196
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... =148864196
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This is a step in the right direction in my opinion. I think all anyone should want is complete fairness in the competitiveness in sports. Thomas was just the first example of the work that needs to be done.wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:14 amNCAA updates policy on transgender participation, to let each sport set eligibility requirements
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... =148864196
Who knows. If people keep transitioning from one sex to another maybe we'll get to a point where they have a class of their own where they can still compete, but on a level playing field.
If nothing else it's been fascinating to follow and I expect there to be more examples in the future to base our opinions off of.
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Great news. I am very confident the ncaa can do a great job creating a level playing fieldilovethecats wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:18 amThis is a step in the right direction in my opinion. I think all anyone should want is complete fairness in the competitiveness in sports. Thomas was just the first example of the work that needs to be done.wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:14 amNCAA updates policy on transgender participation, to let each sport set eligibility requirements
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... =148864196
Who knows. If people keep transitioning from one sex to another maybe we'll get to a point where they have a class of their own where they can still compete, but on a level playing field.
If nothing else it's been fascinating to follow and I expect there to be more examples in the future to base our opinions off of.
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