Choate to interview for Boise State job

[aucat]

I have to agree that Choate is still a LONG way from being a serious contender
for a FCS national championship. The last two games with NDSU we were blown
off the field. Is just getting a chance to get to that point where you are blown
away in the playoffs good enough to secure a top 25 D1 coaching job?
Maybe so. I just think it's premature to call Choate the greatest coach ever.
He seems to have MSU headed in the right direction, but the destination has not
been reached. In fact based on the last two matchups with NDSU, we are a long
way from being there.

[onceacat]

I have to agree that Choate is still a LONG way from being a serious contender
for a FCS national championship. The last two games with NDSU we were blown
off the field. Is just getting a chance to get to that point where you are blown
away in the playoffs good enough to secure a top 25 D1 coaching job?
Maybe so. I just think it's premature to call Choate the greatest coach ever.
He seems to have MSU headed in the right direction, but the destination has not
been reached. In fact based on the last two matchups with NDSU, we are a long
way from being there.

100% spot on. Choate isn’t getting this interview based on his on-field performance, which has been very good, but not elite.

Like I said, coaches with a middling W-L record like Choate are almost never offered this kind of gig.

(Before the haters go nuts, I love Choate & think he’s a great coach. & I want him to stay here. Just that this particular interview is shooting way above His current record.)

[Cataholic]

I have to agree that Choate is still a LONG way from being a serious contender
for a FCS national championship. The last two games with NDSU we were blown
off the field. Is just getting a chance to get to that point where you are blown
away in the playoffs good enough to secure a top 25 D1 coaching job?
Maybe so. I just think it's premature to call Choate the greatest coach ever.
He seems to have MSU headed in the right direction, but the destination has not
been reached. In fact based on the last two matchups with NDSU, we are a long
way from being there.

I am not sure that using NDSU as a barometer is really fair for any coaches comparison. By my quick count, NDSU is 129-8 including 2011. They have averaged less than one loss per year.

As for measurement of success, Choate has taken our program to our first semifinal playoff appearance in over 30 years. All that within 5 years and taking over a program with real issues.

[TomCat88]

I have to agree that Choate is still a LONG way from being a serious contender
for a FCS national championship. The last two games with NDSU we were blown
off the field. Is just getting a chance to get to that point where you are blown
away in the playoffs good enough to secure a top 25 D1 coaching job?
Maybe so. I just think it's premature to call Choate the greatest coach ever.
He seems to have MSU headed in the right direction, but the destination has not
been reached. In fact based on the last two matchups with NDSU, we are a long
way from being there.

I am not sure that using NDSU as a barometer is really fair for any coaches comparison. By my quick count, NDSU is 129-8 including 2011. They have averaged less than one loss per year.

As for measurement of success, Choate has taken our program to our first semifinal playoff appearance in over 30 years. All that within 5 years and taking over a program with real issues.

The ncaa has done a lousy job of creating some parity in its four football levels. There should at least be some parity among the top 10 teams.

[bobcat99]

I have to agree that Choate is still a LONG way from being a serious contender
for a FCS national championship. The last two games with NDSU we were blown
off the field. Is just getting a chance to get to that point where you are blown
away in the playoffs good enough to secure a top 25 D1 coaching job?
Maybe so. I just think it's premature to call Choate the greatest coach ever.
He seems to have MSU headed in the right direction, but the destination has not
been reached. In fact based on the last two matchups with NDSU, we are a long
way from being there.

I am not sure that using NDSU as a barometer is really fair for any coaches comparison. By my quick count, NDSU is 129-8 including 2011. They have averaged less than one loss per year.

As for measurement of success, Choate has taken our program to our first semifinal playoff appearance in over 30 years. All that within 5 years and taking over a program with real issues.

The ncaa has done a lousy job of creating some parity in its four football levels. There should at least be some parity among the top 10 teams.

How is it the NCAA’s fault that NDSU is head and shoulders above?

[onceacat]

I have to agree that Choate is still a LONG way from being a serious contender
for a FCS national championship. The last two games with NDSU we were blown
off the field. Is just getting a chance to get to that point where you are blown
away in the playoffs good enough to secure a top 25 D1 coaching job?
Maybe so. I just think it's premature to call Choate the greatest coach ever.
He seems to have MSU headed in the right direction, but the destination has not
been reached. In fact based on the last two matchups with NDSU, we are a long
way from being there.

I am not sure that using NDSU as a barometer is really fair for any coaches comparison. By my quick count, NDSU is 129-8 including 2011. They have averaged less than one loss per year.

As for measurement of success, Choate has taken our program to our first semifinal playoff appearance in over 30 years. All that within 5 years and taking over a program with real issues.

I don't think its fair to say that the Cats should have beat NDSU in either of those games. I DO think its fair to suggest that the baseline ought to be more like "we can hang with these guys".

Teams that can hang with NDSU last year included JMU, ISU, and SDSU. Not so much the Cats.

[Cataholic]

I have to agree that Choate is still a LONG way from being a serious contender
for a FCS national championship. The last two games with NDSU we were blown
off the field. Is just getting a chance to get to that point where you are blown
away in the playoffs good enough to secure a top 25 D1 coaching job?
Maybe so. I just think it's premature to call Choate the greatest coach ever.
He seems to have MSU headed in the right direction, but the destination has not
been reached. In fact based on the last two matchups with NDSU, we are a long
way from being there.

I am not sure that using NDSU as a barometer is really fair for any coaches comparison. By my quick count, NDSU is 129-8 including 2011. They have averaged less than one loss per year.

As for measurement of success, Choate has taken our program to our first semifinal playoff appearance in over 30 years. All that within 5 years and taking over a program with real issues.

I don't think its fair to say that the Cats should have beat NDSU in either of those games. I DO think its fair to suggest that the baseline ought to be more like "we can hang with these guys".

Teams that can hang with NDSU last year included JMU, ISU, and SDSU. Not so much the Cats.

I think it would be fair to say that the Cats are expected to be in the Top 10 of FCS every year largely due to what Choate has done while in Bozeman. And don’t forget that ISU lost to NDSU 37-3 in their first meeting in 2019. SDSU lost to NDSU 44-21 in 2018 in the FCS semis.

[onceacat]

I have to agree that Choate is still a LONG way from being a serious contender
for a FCS national championship. The last two games with NDSU we were blown
off the field. Is just getting a chance to get to that point where you are blown
away in the playoffs good enough to secure a top 25 D1 coaching job?
Maybe so. I just think it's premature to call Choate the greatest coach ever.
He seems to have MSU headed in the right direction, but the destination has not
been reached. In fact based on the last two matchups with NDSU, we are a long
way from being there.

I am not sure that using NDSU as a barometer is really fair for any coaches comparison. By my quick count, NDSU is 129-8 including 2011. They have averaged less than one loss per year.

As for measurement of success, Choate has taken our program to our first semifinal playoff appearance in over 30 years. All that within 5 years and taking over a program with real issues.

I don't think its fair to say that the Cats should have beat NDSU in either of those games. I DO think its fair to suggest that the baseline ought to be more like "we can hang with these guys".

Teams that can hang with NDSU last year included JMU, ISU, and SDSU. Not so much the Cats.

I think it would be fair to say that the Cats are expected to be in the Top 10 of FCS every year largely due to what Choate has done while in Bozeman. And don’t forget that ISU lost to NDSU 37-3 in their first meeting in 2019. SDSU lost to NDSU 44-21 in 2018 in the FCS semis.

The Cats are expected to be in the Top 19 regardless of who is coaching. If a Bobcat coach drops out of the top 10, he should probably start shopping his resume.

The expectation for a great coach at MSU is to 1) beat the Griz 2) Win Big Sky championships and 3) be a perennial contender for a natty.

This is one of the Top 5-8 FCS gigs in the country.

IRT NDSU blowing out ISU and SDSU...that’s called “cherry picking” data, and it’s a major logical fallacy.

[stevo]

[BleedingBLue]

Boise fans want no part of Tom Herman from what I can tell on some fan boards. Funny though, one of their complaints is he can't develop QBs, same issue those people have with Coach Choate. Sounds like there is some info floating around that Herman is a bit of a sleeze as well.

[rivercat]

Boise fans want no part of Tom Herman from what I can tell on some fan boards. Funny though, one of their complaints is he can't develop QBs, same issue those people have with Coach Choate. Sounds like there is some info floating around that Herman is a bit of a sleeze as well.

I'd be fine seeing Herman in Boise and keeping our coach. I don't think he's a good coach and probably won't get the job. He had all the advantages at U Texas. Far and away the richest program in the country, playing in the fourth best P5 conf, in a state that is loaded with football talent, and only managed finishing between second and fourth in the Big12. He wouldn't have those advantages at BSU and I think would struggle.

[bobcat99]

Boise fans want no part of Tom Herman from what I can tell on some fan boards. Funny though, one of their complaints is he can't develop QBs, same issue those people have with Coach Choate. Sounds like there is some info floating around that Herman is a bit of a sleeze as well.

I'd be fine seeing Herman in Boise and keeping our coach. I don't think he's a good coach and probably won't get the job. He had all the advantages at U Texas. Far and away the richest program in the country, playing in the fourth best P5 conf, in a state that is loaded with football talent, and only managed finishing between second and fourth in the Big12. He wouldn't have those advantages at BSU and I think would struggle.

Herman did just fine at Houston.

Lot of coaches have struggled at Texas recently. Despite its advantages, it isn’t an easy job.

[BleedingBLue]

Boise fans want no part of Tom Herman from what I can tell on some fan boards. Funny though, one of their complaints is he can't develop QBs, same issue those people have with Coach Choate. Sounds like there is some info floating around that Herman is a bit of a sleeze as well.

I'd be fine seeing Herman in Boise and keeping our coach. I don't think he's a good coach and probably won't get the job. He had all the advantages at U Texas. Far and away the richest program in the country, playing in the fourth best P5 conf, in a state that is loaded with football talent, and only managed finishing between second and fourth in the Big12. He wouldn't have those advantages at BSU and I think would struggle.

Herman did just fine at Houston.

Lot of coaches have struggled at Texas recently. Despite its advantages, it isn’t an easy job.

And honestly Herman did well at Texas too, it's just that Texas expects perfection.

[CelticCat]

Boise fans want no part of Tom Herman from what I can tell on some fan boards. Funny though, one of their complaints is he can't develop QBs, same issue those people have with Coach Choate. Sounds like there is some info floating around that Herman is a bit of a sleeze as well.

I'd be fine seeing Herman in Boise and keeping our coach. I don't think he's a good coach and probably won't get the job. He had all the advantages at U Texas. Far and away the richest program in the country, playing in the fourth best P5 conf, in a state that is loaded with football talent, and only managed finishing between second and fourth in the Big12. He wouldn't have those advantages at BSU and I think would struggle.

Herman did just fine at Houston.

Lot of coaches have struggled at Texas recently. Despite its advantages, it isn’t an easy job.

And honestly Herman did well at Texas too, it's just that Texas expects perfection.

So does Boise.

[BleedingBLue]

Boise fans want no part of Tom Herman from what I can tell on some fan boards. Funny though, one of their complaints is he can't develop QBs, same issue those people have with Coach Choate. Sounds like there is some info floating around that Herman is a bit of a sleeze as well.

I'd be fine seeing Herman in Boise and keeping our coach. I don't think he's a good coach and probably won't get the job. He had all the advantages at U Texas. Far and away the richest program in the country, playing in the fourth best P5 conf, in a state that is loaded with football talent, and only managed finishing between second and fourth in the Big12. He wouldn't have those advantages at BSU and I think would struggle.

Herman did just fine at Houston.

Lot of coaches have struggled at Texas recently. Despite its advantages, it isn’t an easy job.

And honestly Herman did well at Texas too, it's just that Texas expects perfection.

So does Boise.

True, but they play in a mediocre conference at best. Boise is the only team consistently at the top of the league. And if the rumors that Boise is jumping to the AAC are true, Herman would be right at home.

It's probably a moot point though because I think it's Avalos' job to lose.

[Bobcatsinmso]

Boise fans want no part of Tom Herman from what I can tell on some fan boards. Funny though, one of their complaints is he can't develop QBs, same issue those people have with Coach Choate. Sounds like there is some info floating around that Herman is a bit of a sleeze as well.

I'd be fine seeing Herman in Boise and keeping our coach. I don't think he's a good coach and probably won't get the job. He had all the advantages at U Texas. Far and away the richest program in the country, playing in the fourth best P5 conf, in a state that is loaded with football talent, and only managed finishing between second and fourth in the Big12. He wouldn't have those advantages at BSU and I think would struggle.

Herman did just fine at Houston.

Lot of coaches have struggled at Texas recently. Despite its advantages, it isn’t an easy job.

And honestly Herman did well at Texas too, it's just that Texas expects perfection.

So does Boise.

Fact.
Boise State has the the highest FBS all time winning percentage 2nd only to Ohio State (100 games minimum).

OSU 73.09%
Boise 73.08%
Alabama 72.93%
Notre D. 72.74%
Michigan 72.74%

They certainly do have high expectations, but historically they have never played in the upper echelon conferences, hence the high win %.

[TomCat88]

With Herman in the mix Oregon can back off on offering Avalos a raise, which I'm sure they could offer something considerable. The OC there makes $900,000 and Avalos is just under $600,000. Would a raise to $900,000 cause him to forego the interview process and stay put? Probably not, but who knows. If he's guaranteed a 50% increase vs. no increase if he applies and doesn't get it, does he take the sure money? Something to think about. I assume this is what happened in the Moore case. It'll be interesting to see what Moore is being paid now.

[rivercat]

Boise fans want no part of Tom Herman from what I can tell on some fan boards. Funny though, one of their complaints is he can't develop QBs, same issue those people have with Coach Choate. Sounds like there is some info floating around that Herman is a bit of a sleeze as well.

I'd be fine seeing Herman in Boise and keeping our coach. I don't think he's a good coach and probably won't get the job. He had all the advantages at U Texas. Far and away the richest program in the country, playing in the fourth best P5 conf, in a state that is loaded with football talent, and only managed finishing between second and fourth in the Big12. He wouldn't have those advantages at BSU and I think would struggle.

Herman did just fine at Houston.

Lot of coaches have struggled at Texas recently. Despite its advantages, it isn’t an easy job.

And honestly Herman did well at Texas too, it's just that Texas expects perfection.

5-4, 7-2, 5-4, 5-3 in Big12 conference play by the team that owns the Big12 is not good. UT runs that conference, has its own tv network, and revenues of over $150M per year. UT should always be playing for the conference championship and in the running for the FBS playoffs. Texas never won the Big12 or sniffed the playoffs under Herman.

Texas expects a lot because that team has all the advantages and resources to win.

[BleedingBLue]

Boise fans want no part of Tom Herman from what I can tell on some fan boards. Funny though, one of their complaints is he can't develop QBs, same issue those people have with Coach Choate. Sounds like there is some info floating around that Herman is a bit of a sleeze as well.

I'd be fine seeing Herman in Boise and keeping our coach. I don't think he's a good coach and probably won't get the job. He had all the advantages at U Texas. Far and away the richest program in the country, playing in the fourth best P5 conf, in a state that is loaded with football talent, and only managed finishing between second and fourth in the Big12. He wouldn't have those advantages at BSU and I think would struggle.

Herman did just fine at Houston.

Lot of coaches have struggled at Texas recently. Despite its advantages, it isn’t an easy job.

And honestly Herman did well at Texas too, it's just that Texas expects perfection.

5-4, 7-2, 5-4, 5-3 in Big12 conference play by the team that owns the Big12 is not good. UT runs that conference, has its own tv network, and revenues of over $150M per year. UT should always be playing for the conference championship and in the running for the FBS playoffs. Texas never won the Big12 or sniffed the playoffs under Herman.

Texas expects a lot because that team has all the advantages and resources to win.

Except he inherited an absolute garbage team/program from Charlie Strong that had been falling apart for a couple years prior to Strong taking over. He didn't even get the chance to have a large number of his own recruits play as juniors and seniors.

Texas doesn't, and hasn't run the Big 12 ever. 3 conference championships and 1 National Title since 96. Oklahoma has 14 conference championships and a National Title in that same time. Texas is the Big12s UM, over hyped every year and way to full of themselves. The only difference is Texas has fewer championships of both types in the last 25 years. Tom Herman was actually building something back up at Texas.

[rivercat]

Boise fans want no part of Tom Herman from what I can tell on some fan boards. Funny though, one of their complaints is he can't develop QBs, same issue those people have with Coach Choate. Sounds like there is some info floating around that Herman is a bit of a sleeze as well.

I'd be fine seeing Herman in Boise and keeping our coach. I don't think he's a good coach and probably won't get the job. He had all the advantages at U Texas. Far and away the richest program in the country, playing in the fourth best P5 conf, in a state that is loaded with football talent, and only managed finishing between second and fourth in the Big12. He wouldn't have those advantages at BSU and I think would struggle.

Herman did just fine at Houston.

Lot of coaches have struggled at Texas recently. Despite its advantages, it isn’t an easy job.

And honestly Herman did well at Texas too, it's just that Texas expects perfection.

5-4, 7-2, 5-4, 5-3 in Big12 conference play by the team that owns the Big12 is not good. UT runs that conference, has its own tv network, and revenues of over $150M per year. UT should always be playing for the conference championship and in the running for the FBS playoffs. Texas never won the Big12 or sniffed the playoffs under Herman.

Texas expects a lot because that team has all the advantages and resources to win.

Except he inherited an absolute garbage team/program from Charlie Strong that had been falling apart for a couple years prior to Strong taking over. He didn't even get the chance to have a large number of his own recruits play as juniors and seniors.

Texas doesn't, and hasn't run the Big 12 ever. 3 conference championships and 1 National Title since 96. Oklahoma has 14 conference championships and a National Title in that same time. Texas is the Big12s UM, over hyped every year and way to full of themselves. The only difference is Texas has fewer championships of both types in the last 25 years. Tom Herman was actually building something back up at Texas.

Why do you think Texas A&M and Nebraska left the Big12? Because UT had disproportionate influence and pull in the conference. That's what I mean when I said they run the conference. But whatever. I do think Herman is a good OC and looks like he may have that opportunity at Auburn.