I won't dispute that either. I have said all along I think gatherings are a main driver of the virus. I've specifically mentioned bars and restaurants where 10 different people from 10 different households are allowed to sit at a table together. But again, this isn't unique to masks which is what I responded to you. Just because I see a guy wearing a mask at Albertsons doesn't mean he's wearing one at a house party. And I agree. But just because I see a guy washing his hands after pissing at Walmart doesn't mean he's washing his hands after pissing at home. Just because I see a lady covering her mouth when she coughs at Target doesn't mean she's covering her mouth when coughing at church. This was my whole point.CelticCat wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:45 amhttps://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/u ... index.htmlilovethecats wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:25 amI guess I don't dispute that because I can't. To me it's not "very clear" a lot of people are wearing masks only when they are supposed to. Even though, in Montana, "only where they are supposed to" is basically every place except home.CelticCat wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:19 amJust because you see folks wearing masks at Albertson's doesn't mean they don't go home and have a BBQ with 50 of their closest friends, mask free. Or weddings, or funerals, house parties, etc.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:07 amWouldn't this imply that overall people are doing what they can to "slow the spread"? I hear we are nearing a mask shortage again. Would this be because the majority of people are wearing masks? If so many people are exercising common sense, barely flying anywhere, not attending sporting events despite cheap prices, and seem to be wearing masks.....onceacat wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:25 pmYou can buy tickets for the World Series behind home plate for about $500, even though capacity is limited to 28%. Those are almost Cat-Griz ticket prices, not World Series prices.Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:29 pmThere are 320 million in the US. In the past 7 days, there have been 400,000 new cases reported. Assuming the infection period is two weeks, that means there are 800,000 active cases today. That means that 319.2 million people do not have Covid right now and could walk into a store to conduct business. Only 0.25% percent of the population currently have Covid. Do you think a business can survive with 99.75% of the population healthy today?iaafan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:14 amApparently it's bad for the economy to have a healthy population. Or we don't need healthy people to have a thriving economy. I mean, who needs customers, as long as your business is open, the economy will thrive.onceacat wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:31 amIt’s art of the anti-intellectual dumbing down of our society. If you don’t like a centrist policy, invent a nasty name & get your side all riled up. It’s great for corrupt politicians trying to get us to fight with each other, but really bad for real Americans that just want to get out of this pandemic & back to things like football.blueandgoldblitz wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:24 amBeing told to wear masks is not fascism...it's a simple public health order. Some people have become WAY tooliberal with the use of the terms fascist and communist without knowing what they mean.PapaG wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:27 pmIs asking people already struggling financially to support what would be a sham Spring season worth it? Biden is already swing he’ll have mandatory masks at a federal level. It’s as Fascist as it gets but I do believe him when he says he’ll do it, and use the police to enforce it.
There have never been any restrictions on flying, but tickets are down 50%.
Its obvious to anyone willing to look at data that when there's an uncontrolled disease that has a case fatally rate of 1.5-3%, people start staying home.
It has NOTHING to do with gubbmint, it has to do with people exercising common sense.
How come every day I see cases going up, hospitalizations going up, (deaths going down or remaining the same) people blame others for not being responsible and not using common sense to fight the virus? I have been told it's spreading because of selfish people that don't care about others. Even your couple stats above would seem to say otherwise.
It's very clear a lot of people are wearing masks only when they are required to do so.
To me that seems like a cop out in the whole mask debate. Just because I see people wearing masks everywhere in public, doesn't mean they are wearing them at house parties or BBQ's? Well of course not. I also have no idea if people are washing their hands behind closed doors either. Or covering their mouths when they sneeze or cough. Or wear the same nasty mask for an entire week. I don't know these things and don't claim to. The difference is the people claiming to KNOW that people not wearing masks are what is the driving force of the spread of this virus.
Household get-togethers are helping to drive rise in cases, CDC chief says
Small gatherings are becoming a growing source of Covid-19 spread, a leading health expert said, as cases and hospitalizations are on the rise nationwide.
"In the public square, we're seeing a higher degree of vigilance and mitigation steps in many jurisdictions," said CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield during a call with the nation's governors on Tuesday. Audio of the call was obtained by CNN.
"But what we're seeing as the increasing threat right now is actually acquisition of infection through small household gatherings," Redfield said. "Particularly with Thanksgiving coming up, we think it's really important to stress the vigilance of these continued mitigation steps in the household setting."
Dr. Jonathan Reiner, professor of medicine at George Washington University, said Wednesday he'd advise people to consider not having indoor Thanksgiving dinners with others who aren't in their immediate household.
"If you're lucky enough to live in a part of the country where the weather will be moderate in November, do an outdoor Thanksgiving. (But) I think in the ... places in the country where the winter comes early, I think you have to really be careful," Reiner told CNN's "New Day."
"The consequences of this virus, particularly for older folks -- the people that we really want to gather with on Thanksgiving -- can be really dire," he said. And, frankly, I'd rather do a Zoom Thanksgiving with people that I love than expose them to something that might kill them," he said.
"Next year is going to be much better. Let's get through this, and let's get through it safely."
There are many driving forces to the virus right now. Not wearing masks is likely one. So is bad hygiene. So is huge tables of dudes watching football games. So is schools being open. So are probably churches and house parties. Lots of things. But when cases go up do you hear people yelling, "That's because no one is washing their hands!" Nope. It's always masks. And now we'll go a step farther with even more claims that can't be proven and start saying just because I SEE people wearing masks....doesn't mean they're ALWAYS wearing masks. It's a perfect argument because it's literally unproveable.