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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by wbtfg » Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:09 am

Rich K wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:49 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:33 pm
Rich K wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:01 pm
That’s awesome. I hope it’s true.

Questions: who’s is she? Where is she from? When was the video taken? If whats she’s saying is true, why Isn’t this treatment being touted more?
It was awesome, but now it's been removed. I'll see if I can find it in twitter archives.
Did we ever figure out her background?



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Rich K » Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:08 am

wbtfg wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:09 am
Rich K wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:49 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:33 pm
Rich K wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:01 pm
That’s awesome. I hope it’s true.

Questions: who’s is she? Where is she from? When was the video taken? If whats she’s saying is true, why Isn’t this treatment being touted more?
It was awesome, but now it's been removed. I'll see if I can find it in twitter archives.
Did we ever figure out her background?
Not sure what the "you" in the "we" figured out, but here's my analysis:

Dr. Immanuel is just some doctor that has a 100% success rate working with over 350 Covid cases. Right now she's the target of radicals on the left that are applying a couple of Alinsky's rules to her. She'll probably become collateral damage. Oh well, she's just a black female immigrant who's ideas about Covid treatment shouldn't be analyzed because the lives she might save are irrelevant.


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by The Butcher » Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:23 am

Rich K wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:08 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:09 am
Rich K wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:49 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:33 pm
Rich K wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:01 pm
That’s awesome. I hope it’s true.

Questions: who’s is she? Where is she from? When was the video taken? If whats she’s saying is true, why Isn’t this treatment being touted more?
It was awesome, but now it's been removed. I'll see if I can find it in twitter archives.
Did we ever figure out her background?
Not sure what the "you" in the "we" figured out, but here's my analysis:

Dr. Immanuel is just some doctor that has a 100% success rate working with over 350 Covid cases. Right now she's the target of radicals on the left that are applying a couple of Alinsky's rules to her. She'll probably become collateral damage. Oh well, she's just a black female immigrant who's ideas about Covid treatment shouldn't be analyzed because the lives she might save are irrelevant.
If Dr. Immanuel's voice isn't heard they WILL develop that 'vaccine' to make it impossible to become religious!
As the good Doctor tweeted, "“Hello Facebook put back my profile page and videos up or your computers with start crashing till you do. You are not bigger that God. I promise you. If my page is not back up face book will be down in Jesus name.”



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Rich K » Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:41 am

It seems that the biggest knock on Dr. Immanuel's treatment protocol, that includes hydroxychloroquine along with z-pac and/or zinc is it's effect on the heart, not that it isn't effective on Covid. Dr. Immanuel claims that her protocol has had zero negative heart related side effects. What I gleaned from what I could understand is the dosages that Dr. Immanuel administers are much smaller than the dosages the NIH has reviewed.

Whatever, death before hydroxychloroquine.


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by 91catAlum » Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:16 am

All I know is, if I catch COVID and I get moderate to severe symptoms, I want to be able to try HCQ and anything else that could help. And I don't care if its Trump-approved or not. There is no reason not to.


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by ilovethecats » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:16 am

Rich K wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:08 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:09 am
Rich K wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:49 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:33 pm
Rich K wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:01 pm
That’s awesome. I hope it’s true.

Questions: who’s is she? Where is she from? When was the video taken? If whats she’s saying is true, why Isn’t this treatment being touted more?
It was awesome, but now it's been removed. I'll see if I can find it in twitter archives.
Did we ever figure out her background?
Not sure what the "you" in the "we" figured out, but here's my analysis:

Dr. Immanuel is just some doctor that has a 100% success rate working with over 350 Covid cases. Right now she's the target of radicals on the left that are applying a couple of Alinsky's rules to her. She'll probably become collateral damage. Oh well, she's just a black female immigrant who's ideas about Covid treatment shouldn't be analyzed because the lives she might save are irrelevant.
I'd like to know more about the claims of things she's said in the past. If true they are pretty far out there. Though in this climate who knows? People can basically make up anything about anyone and half the population will believe it. If this claims about her past prove to be true, I'd have a hard time believing much of what she says.

That said, she's not the first doctor or epidemiologist to suggest these things and they've pretty much been ignored as well. Wild times we're in!



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by 91catAlum » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:27 am

wbtfg wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:09 am
Rich K wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:49 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:33 pm
Rich K wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:01 pm
That’s awesome. I hope it’s true.

Questions: who’s is she? Where is she from? When was the video taken? If whats she’s saying is true, why Isn’t this treatment being touted more?
It was awesome, but now it's been removed. I'll see if I can find it in twitter archives.
Did we ever figure out her background?
She's a real MD. She grew up in Nigeria and possibly has some odd spiritual beliefs likely from that background. She earned her medical degree in Africa as well. She now practices medicine somewhere in Texas. She has treated over 300 COVID patients and claims to have seen 0 deaths in all those patients, and claims its because she is prescribing some combination of HCQ, Zinc, and Z-pac? I think it was.

And she's not alone. This conservative guy I just discovered this week interviewed 9 doctors (including this lady we're discussing) who all believe that HCQ is a drug that's helpful for COVID patients. Its controversial but pretty interesting, if you're interested:
https://www.charliekirk.com/podcast/


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by RickRund » Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:08 pm

Just curious, didn't Trump put through a "right to try" policy a couple years ago. That people are allowed to try different treatments. Really see no reason why we don't have freedom for picking our medications. My Dr has me on Atorvastatin to control my cholesterol, which really isn't terrible, but he thinks it is a better controller than Red Rice Yeast. I can tell him tomorrow I not longer want to take it. Should be the same for HCQ...



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

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ahhh, celestial sex....... now thats someone id trust for medical advice..... :D



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by The Butcher » Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:30 pm

I am just amazed that people think these wack jobs on Breitbart are more trust worthy than the CDC, FDA, WHO, Universities (i.e. Boston Medical, Oxford, University of Minnesota), etc. Trump has really done a number on people!



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by 91catAlum » Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:57 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:30 pm
I am just amazed that people think these wack jobs on Breitbart are more trust worthy than the CDC, FDA, WHO, Universities (i.e. Boston Medical, Oxford, University of Minnesota), etc. Trump has really done a number on people!
Since you mentioned the FDA, did you know that HCQ has been approved and deemed safe for use by them?

You can believe what you want, but I'm not a Trump worshipper. I just want people to have the right to try drugs that have shown promise in some studies, especially FDA-approved drugs that have been on the market for 60 years. Whats the harm there? Why are you trying to make people feel stupid about this? Even CNN recently put out an article about how HCQ "might" be able to help after all. CNN! Thats almost as big as if Joe Biden himself said it.


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by ghobs95 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:03 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:57 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:30 pm
I am just amazed that people think these wack jobs on Breitbart are more trust worthy than the CDC, FDA, WHO, Universities (i.e. Boston Medical, Oxford, University of Minnesota), etc. Trump has really done a number on people!
Since you mentioned the FDA, did you know that HCQ has been approved and deemed safe for use by them?

You can believe what you want, but I'm not a Trump worshipper. I just want people to have the right to try drugs that have shown promise in some studies, especially FDA-approved drugs that have been on the market for 60 years. Whats the harm there? Why are you trying to make people feel stupid about this? Even CNN recently put out an article about how HCQ "might" be able to help after all. CNN! Thats almost as big as if Joe Biden himself said it.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... oquine-and

Are you sure about that?



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by The Butcher » Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:05 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:57 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:30 pm
I am just amazed that people think these wack jobs on Breitbart are more trust worthy than the CDC, FDA, WHO, Universities (i.e. Boston Medical, Oxford, University of Minnesota), etc. Trump has really done a number on people!
Since you mentioned the FDA, did you know that HCQ has been approved and deemed safe for use by them?

You can believe what you want, but I'm not a Trump worshipper. I just want people to have the right to try drugs that have shown promise in some studies, especially FDA-approved drugs that have been on the market for 60 years. Whats the harm there? Why are you trying to make people feel stupid about this? Even CNN recently put out an article about how HCQ "might" be able to help after all. CNN! Thats almost as big as if Joe Biden himself said it.
That is not correct...
You are not suppose to use the drug for COVID. You use the drug for malaria.
This is actually from the FDA website.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... oquine-and

EDIT: ghobs95 beat me to the punch



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by 91catAlum » Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:19 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:05 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:57 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:30 pm
I am just amazed that people think these wack jobs on Breitbart are more trust worthy than the CDC, FDA, WHO, Universities (i.e. Boston Medical, Oxford, University of Minnesota), etc. Trump has really done a number on people!
Since you mentioned the FDA, did you know that HCQ has been approved and deemed safe for use by them?

You can believe what you want, but I'm not a Trump worshipper. I just want people to have the right to try drugs that have shown promise in some studies, especially FDA-approved drugs that have been on the market for 60 years. Whats the harm there? Why are you trying to make people feel stupid about this? Even CNN recently put out an article about how HCQ "might" be able to help after all. CNN! Thats almost as big as if Joe Biden himself said it.
That is not correct...
You are not suppose to use the drug for COVID. You use the drug for malaria.
This is actually from the FDA website.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... oquine-and

EDIT: ghobs95 beat me to the punch
Well, I'm a "right to try" type of guy, so I'm all for using HCQ or marijuana or whatever a person wants to try if they get sick. Where do you fall on the "right to try" spectrum?

And the study used by the FDA to poopoo HCQ for COVID has been questioned by many doctors. Newer studies have been done since then (such as the one cited by CNN) that show HCQ does have benefits.


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by ilovethecats » Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:20 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:19 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:05 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:57 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:30 pm
I am just amazed that people think these wack jobs on Breitbart are more trust worthy than the CDC, FDA, WHO, Universities (i.e. Boston Medical, Oxford, University of Minnesota), etc. Trump has really done a number on people!
Since you mentioned the FDA, did you know that HCQ has been approved and deemed safe for use by them?

You can believe what you want, but I'm not a Trump worshipper. I just want people to have the right to try drugs that have shown promise in some studies, especially FDA-approved drugs that have been on the market for 60 years. Whats the harm there? Why are you trying to make people feel stupid about this? Even CNN recently put out an article about how HCQ "might" be able to help after all. CNN! Thats almost as big as if Joe Biden himself said it.
That is not correct...
You are not suppose to use the drug for COVID. You use the drug for malaria.
This is actually from the FDA website.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... oquine-and

EDIT: ghobs95 beat me to the punch
Well, I'm a "right to try" type of guy, so I'm all for using HCQ or marijuana or whatever a person wants to try if they get sick. Where do you fall on the "right to try" spectrum?

And the study used by the FDA to poopoo HCQ for COVID has been questioned by many doctors. Newer studies have been done since then (such as the one cited by CNN) that show HCQ does have benefits.
I could be wrong but can't you still use this? And doctors should still be able to recommend it I believe.

What has changed is the FDA revoked the emergency use authorization. They let it fly early on as we were trying anything. After testing large groups of people the side effects didn't warrant the risk for emergency use. But I was under the impressing it could still be used in certain situations? Maybe not.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by codecat » Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:17 pm

Rich K wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:00 pm
The Media, the enforcers of the left, and one of their biggest advertisers fight against the use of this Hydroxychloroquine in this country is not only political - it is a off-patent drug. Why would they ignore the science that they do not like, continue to trash a drug that does not fit their agenda or greed, scream about Negative studies that were proven shams, hide the retraction in small print on some back page (this is one of the trademarks of the leftist press), and continue to shout the dangers of this drug.

The media seems to be working hand-in-hand with large drug companies’ interests. They are their biggest customers/advertisers so this should not be too surprising. Even the WHO and our own U.S. government health organizations seems to be unduly influenced by the big drug companies’ interests. Lets examine some facts that help one draw this conclusion. We already mentioned the design-to-fail nature of many of the studies. Here is another real zinger. Two previous negative Hydroxychloroquine studies, published in some of the most prominent medical journals in the world, had to be withdrawn after doctors and scientists subscribers noticed that their data and analysis were a complete sham. Of course the results of these anti-Hydroxychloroquine studies were literally screamed through a bullhorn by the media but the retraction of these studies were either not mentioned or whispered in small print in the back pages. The retraction of these studies was a big blow to the credibility of the publishing journals, and unfortunately the scientific community at large. In yet another highly suspicious sequence of events, the WHO felt compelled to announce the stoppage of in-hospital usage of Hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 patients two days after the very positive study we have been explaining was published (July 2, 2020 publication date). Sure looks like they are fighting really hard against the use of this highly affordable off-patent drug to me. Media has been constantly talking about the dangers of Hydroxychloroquine usage even though it was approved for use in the U.S in 1955 and has been widely used throughout the world. The drug has an official safety rating rivaling that of Aspirin and, when prescribed in recommended dosages, has not had a single documented case of heart, or any other life threatening side effect, in its complete U.S. usage history. Doctors specializing in treating patients with Lupus and Rheumatoid Arthritis strongly disagree with these overblown safety concerns. It appears the safety issues stated in some studies were grown from a ridiculously high dosage and late life-cycle administration that nobody was recommending. Try eating a thousand hot dogs and see if that turns out to be lethal.

The Article:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/0 ... ronavirus/

The study:
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S120 ... 8/fulltext


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by 91catAlum » Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:33 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:20 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:19 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:05 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:57 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:30 pm
I am just amazed that people think these wack jobs on Breitbart are more trust worthy than the CDC, FDA, WHO, Universities (i.e. Boston Medical, Oxford, University of Minnesota), etc. Trump has really done a number on people!
Since you mentioned the FDA, did you know that HCQ has been approved and deemed safe for use by them?

You can believe what you want, but I'm not a Trump worshipper. I just want people to have the right to try drugs that have shown promise in some studies, especially FDA-approved drugs that have been on the market for 60 years. Whats the harm there? Why are you trying to make people feel stupid about this? Even CNN recently put out an article about how HCQ "might" be able to help after all. CNN! Thats almost as big as if Joe Biden himself said it.
That is not correct...
You are not suppose to use the drug for COVID. You use the drug for malaria.
This is actually from the FDA website.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... oquine-and

EDIT: ghobs95 beat me to the punch
Well, I'm a "right to try" type of guy, so I'm all for using HCQ or marijuana or whatever a person wants to try if they get sick. Where do you fall on the "right to try" spectrum?

And the study used by the FDA to poopoo HCQ for COVID has been questioned by many doctors. Newer studies have been done since then (such as the one cited by CNN) that show HCQ does have benefits.
I could be wrong but can't you still use this? And doctors should still be able to recommend it I believe.

What has changed is the FDA revoked the emergency use authorization. They let it fly early on as we were trying anything. After testing large groups of people the side effects didn't warrant the risk for emergency use. But I was under the impressing it could still be used in certain situations? Maybe not.
As far as I've heard, you cannot get HCQ in most states to treat COVID. Doctors won't/can't prescribe it for COVID and many pharmacies won't sell it now, due to the early June? study that showed it caused heart problems and increased death risk.

Does anyone else find it odd that a drug that was safely used worldwide for 65 years suddenly starting causing heart problems and death? Wouldn't that have shown up over 65 years of use? Until 2020, this drug had a safety rating not much worse than Aspirin. Its very very strange, and unprecedented. Something to consider thinking about.


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by hokeyfine » Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:59 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:33 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:20 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:19 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:05 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:57 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:30 pm
I am just amazed that people think these wack jobs on Breitbart are more trust worthy than the CDC, FDA, WHO, Universities (i.e. Boston Medical, Oxford, University of Minnesota), etc. Trump has really done a number on people!
Since you mentioned the FDA, did you know that HCQ has been approved and deemed safe for use by them?

You can believe what you want, but I'm not a Trump worshipper. I just want people to have the right to try drugs that have shown promise in some studies, especially FDA-approved drugs that have been on the market for 60 years. Whats the harm there? Why are you trying to make people feel stupid about this? Even CNN recently put out an article about how HCQ "might" be able to help after all. CNN! Thats almost as big as if Joe Biden himself said it.
That is not correct...
You are not suppose to use the drug for COVID. You use the drug for malaria.
This is actually from the FDA website.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... oquine-and

EDIT: ghobs95 beat me to the punch
Well, I'm a "right to try" type of guy, so I'm all for using HCQ or marijuana or whatever a person wants to try if they get sick. Where do you fall on the "right to try" spectrum?

And the study used by the FDA to poopoo HCQ for COVID has been questioned by many doctors. Newer studies have been done since then (such as the one cited by CNN) that show HCQ does have benefits.
I could be wrong but can't you still use this? And doctors should still be able to recommend it I believe.

What has changed is the FDA revoked the emergency use authorization. They let it fly early on as we were trying anything. After testing large groups of people the side effects didn't warrant the risk for emergency use. But I was under the impressing it could still be used in certain situations? Maybe not.
As far as I've heard, you cannot get HCQ in most states to treat COVID. Doctors won't/can't prescribe it for COVID and many pharmacies won't sell it now, due to the early June? study that showed it caused heart problems and increased death risk.

Does anyone else find it odd that a drug that was safely used worldwide for 65 years suddenly starting causing heart problems and death? Wouldn't that have shown up over 65 years of use? Until 2020, this drug had a safety rating not much worse than Aspirin. Its very very strange, and unprecedented. Something to consider thinking about.
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5482 ... al/details



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Post by Cataholic » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:44 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:33 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:20 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:19 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:05 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:57 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:30 pm
I am just amazed that people think these wack jobs on Breitbart are more trust worthy than the CDC, FDA, WHO, Universities (i.e. Boston Medical, Oxford, University of Minnesota), etc. Trump has really done a number on people!
Since you mentioned the FDA, did you know that HCQ has been approved and deemed safe for use by them?

You can believe what you want, but I'm not a Trump worshipper. I just want people to have the right to try drugs that have shown promise in some studies, especially FDA-approved drugs that have been on the market for 60 years. Whats the harm there? Why are you trying to make people feel stupid about this? Even CNN recently put out an article about how HCQ "might" be able to help after all. CNN! Thats almost as big as if Joe Biden himself said it.
That is not correct...
You are not suppose to use the drug for COVID. You use the drug for malaria.
This is actually from the FDA website.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... oquine-and

EDIT: ghobs95 beat me to the punch
Well, I'm a "right to try" type of guy, so I'm all for using HCQ or marijuana or whatever a person wants to try if they get sick. Where do you fall on the "right to try" spectrum?

And the study used by the FDA to poopoo HCQ for COVID has been questioned by many doctors. Newer studies have been done since then (such as the one cited by CNN) that show HCQ does have benefits.
I could be wrong but can't you still use this? And doctors should still be able to recommend it I believe.

What has changed is the FDA revoked the emergency use authorization. They let it fly early on as we were trying anything. After testing large groups of people the side effects didn't warrant the risk for emergency use. But I was under the impressing it could still be used in certain situations? Maybe not.
As far as I've heard, you cannot get HCQ in most states to treat COVID. Doctors won't/can't prescribe it for COVID and many pharmacies won't sell it now, due to the early June? study that showed it caused heart problems and increased death risk.

Does anyone else find it odd that a drug that was safely used worldwide for 65 years suddenly starting causing heart problems and death? Wouldn't that have shown up over 65 years of use? Until 2020, this drug had a safety rating not much worse than Aspirin. Its very very strange, and unprecedented. Something to consider thinking about.
Posters like The Butcher and Hokeyfine have Trump derangement syndrome. They simply want Trump to fail. If Biden said that hydro chloroquine worked, it would be a wonder drug to the left.



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