Cost Of Attendance proposal
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Both men’s and women’s gymnastics have the floor routine.
Men and women do several of the same moves, like triple flips with 2.5 twists. Takes strength, agility and tons of time practicing I’m guessing.
My point is when men and women have been competitive at a sport for a long time they seem to have similar outcomes.
Don’t know, but guess one of the goals of T9 is just trying to let women catch up.
Also guessing the parents of young ladies that get a scholarship are happy about it.
Both men’s and women’s gymnastics have the floor routine.
Men and women do several of the same moves, like triple flips with 2.5 twists. Takes strength, agility and tons of time practicing I’m guessing.
My point is when men and women have been competitive at a sport for a long time they seem to have similar outcomes.
Don’t know, but guess one of the goals of T9 is just trying to let women catch up.
Also guessing the parents of young ladies that get a scholarship are happy about it.
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I'd like to hear also. Although initially I feel like you are partially right. Yes, the fball and bball schollies pay for themselves I suppose in terms of revenue generated and exposure for the university.
I can't think of any way that a tennis scholarship pays for itself over time.
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Here is some good information on Title XI requirements:
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/inc ... -questions
There is no requirement that equal amounts of money are spent on a male to female basis. They are looking more at equal opportunities than equal money spent. Also, they want those opportunities to reflect the institutions male to female ratio. I think MSU is about 52% male while UofM is about 58% female.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/inc ... -questions
There is no requirement that equal amounts of money are spent on a male to female basis. They are looking more at equal opportunities than equal money spent. Also, they want those opportunities to reflect the institutions male to female ratio. I think MSU is about 52% male while UofM is about 58% female.
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Pretty sure he means total return of investment over time. The money put into the program due to that person being given a scholarship. You need to look at all the externalities. Many of these people become donors, their parents, children and grandchildren attend and become donors. Among other things.LTown Cat wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:46 amI'd like to hear also. Although initially I feel like you are partially right. Yes, the fball and bball schollies pay for themselves I suppose in terms of revenue generated and exposure for the university.
I can't think of any way that a tennis scholarship pays for itself over time.
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ah, got it.iaafan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:04 amPretty sure he means total return of investment over time. The money put into the program due to that person being given a scholarship. You need to look at all the externalities. Many of these people become donors, their parents, children and grandchildren attend and become donors. Among other things.LTown Cat wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:46 amI'd like to hear also. Although initially I feel like you are partially right. Yes, the fball and bball schollies pay for themselves I suppose in terms of revenue generated and exposure for the university.
I can't think of any way that a tennis scholarship pays for itself over time.
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Similar outcomes? Women’s college b-ball began in the late 1800s. Which outcome is similar? Certainly not the marketability of men’s vs women’s or the skill of the participants.77matcat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:24 pm99
Both men’s and women’s gymnastics have the floor routine.
Men and women do several of the same moves, like triple flips with 2.5 twists. Takes strength, agility and tons of time practicing I’m guessing.
My point is when men and women have been competitive at a sport for a long time they seem to have similar outcomes.
Don’t know, but guess one of the goals of T9 is just trying to let women catch up.
Also guessing the parents of young ladies that get a scholarship are happy about it.
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My logic is simply that we shouldn’t have to govern athletic programs that operate in the red and programs that run in the black the same in the name of equality.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:28 pmUsing the prevailing logic in this thread, any entertainment expense and maybe any expense that doesn’t turn a monetary profit is an inappropriate use of money.BLACKnBLUEnGOLD wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:09 pmAs long as you're not going over your entertainment budget, I don't see the harm in it.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:21 pmSpending money to go watch a sporting event is also a fiscal disaster.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:43 amI guess my main point is that fiscally, Title IX is an absolute disaster. It is one of a myriad of reasons for why college expenses, which directs to college prices, are so high.
Sports that don't make sense financially shouldn't have the option for scholarships. Make it a club sport.
I think we should be able to over FCOA to our football program and exclude other programs where we can’t justify the added expense.
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Football runs in the black the same way all the other sports do.utucats wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:51 am
My logic is simply that we shouldn’t have to govern athletic programs that operate in the red and programs that run in the black the same in the name of equality.
I think we should be able to over FCOA to our football program and exclude other programs where we can’t justify the added expense.
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I don’t recall women’s BB in high school in the 70s. If you do where did you go up high school and when.utucats wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:47 amSimilar outcomes? Women’s college b-ball began in the late 1800s. Which outcome is similar? Certainly not the marketability of men’s vs women’s or the skill of the participants.77matcat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:24 pm99
Both men’s and women’s gymnastics have the floor routine.
Men and women do several of the same moves, like triple flips with 2.5 twists. Takes strength, agility and tons of time practicing I’m guessing.
My point is when men and women have been competitive at a sport for a long time they seem to have similar outcomes.
Don’t know, but guess one of the goals of T9 is just trying to let women catch up.
Also guessing the parents of young ladies that get a scholarship are happy about it.
Even when it was started it wasn’t given much of a priority. Can you remember when they first allowed women to run the Boston Marathon??? They were afraid they couldn’t physically endure it.
Women are now university presidents.
Times change.
Although some folks have a difficult time with change.
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I think we should go full equality and make all sports co-ed.
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“Women are now university presidents” exactly how much athletic ability does that job require?77matcat wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:51 pmI don’t recall women’s BB in high school in the 70s. If you do where did you go up high school and when.utucats wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:47 amSimilar outcomes? Women’s college b-ball began in the late 1800s. Which outcome is similar? Certainly not the marketability of men’s vs women’s or the skill of the participants.77matcat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:24 pm99
Both men’s and women’s gymnastics have the floor routine.
Men and women do several of the same moves, like triple flips with 2.5 twists. Takes strength, agility and tons of time practicing I’m guessing.
My point is when men and women have been competitive at a sport for a long time they seem to have similar outcomes.
Don’t know, but guess one of the goals of T9 is just trying to let women catch up.
Also guessing the parents of young ladies that get a scholarship are happy about it.
Even when it was started it wasn’t given much of a priority. Can you remember when they first allowed women to run the Boston Marathon??? They were afraid they couldn’t physically endure it.
Women are now university presidents.
Times change.
Although some folks have a difficult time with change.
Is it possible to be able to embrace reality and admit that while MSU’s President(woman) is vastly superior to me(man) at running a University, she would lose to 99% of men in a hundred yard dash, or arm wrestling, or a wrestling match or pretty much any other physical activity because women are genetically predisposed to be nurturers while men to be hunters, providers, physical laborers. This fact of life is the reason that when you watch each sex perform a physical activity in the form of sport the men’s competition is more fierce, physical, athletic and most the time that leads to being more entertaining, marketable and profitable.
Times may change but reality doesn’t.
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Phenomenal idea. For those that believe that we will have “similar outcomes”, I’m sure they’ll enjoy being able to watch Troy Andersen tackle females on Saturdays. I wonder if games will be longer due to injury timeouts . Probably not. I’m sure after a few years the girls will catch up and everything will be equal.coloradocat wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:05 pmI think we should go full equality and make all sports co-ed.
It will be awesome someday when we reach true equality and there is no difference between men and women!
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Some Montana high schools have had women’s basketball since 1972. It took a few years before the sport spread to most high schools.77matcat wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:51 pmI don’t recall women’s BB in high school in the 70s. If you do where did you go up high school and when.utucats wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:47 amSimilar outcomes? Women’s college b-ball began in the late 1800s. Which outcome is similar? Certainly not the marketability of men’s vs women’s or the skill of the participants.77matcat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:24 pm99
Both men’s and women’s gymnastics have the floor routine.
Men and women do several of the same moves, like triple flips with 2.5 twists. Takes strength, agility and tons of time practicing I’m guessing.
My point is when men and women have been competitive at a sport for a long time they seem to have similar outcomes.
Don’t know, but guess one of the goals of T9 is just trying to let women catch up.
Also guessing the parents of young ladies that get a scholarship are happy about it.
Even when it was started it wasn’t given much of a priority. Can you remember when they first allowed women to run the Boston Marathon??? They were afraid they couldn’t physically endure it.
Women are now university presidents.
Times change.
Although some folks have a difficult time with change.
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Not to the same extent.Hawks86 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:38 amFootball runs in the black the same way all the other sports do.utucats wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:51 am
My logic is simply that we shouldn’t have to govern athletic programs that operate in the red and programs that run in the black the same in the name of equality.
I think we should be able to over FCOA to our football program and exclude other programs where we can’t justify the added expense.
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All sports at MSU run in the black?bobcat99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:43 pmNot to the same extent.Hawks86 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:38 amFootball runs in the black the same way all the other sports do.utucats wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:51 am
My logic is simply that we shouldn’t have to govern athletic programs that operate in the red and programs that run in the black the same in the name of equality.
I think we should be able to over FCOA to our football program and exclude other programs where we can’t justify the added expense.
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I was assuming he just got his colors mixed up, but no, not all sports run in the black. The majority lose money.Mtcatfan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:01 pmAll sports at MSU run in the black?bobcat99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:43 pmNot to the same extent.Hawks86 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:38 amFootball runs in the black the same way all the other sports do.utucats wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:51 am
My logic is simply that we shouldn’t have to govern athletic programs that operate in the red and programs that run in the black the same in the name of equality.
I think we should be able to over FCOA to our football program and exclude other programs where we can’t justify the added expense.
Take tennis. Nothing against tennis, fun sport. But does it actually make money here? Of course not. It's a pure loss. It's frustrating.
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Figured it was after 72. I graduated from HS then. Didn’t and don’t really follow girls bb, but I assume there wasn’t a real flock of talent to the game because there weren’t robust programs from first grade up.
If you go back to 72 there weren’t any women presidents or CEOs that I recall. Civil war ended in 1865. There wasn’t a black president till 2008. Some things you do because it’s the right thing do to.
Some folks apparently don’t believe it is.
I’m thinking it was.
Figured it was after 72. I graduated from HS then. Didn’t and don’t really follow girls bb, but I assume there wasn’t a real flock of talent to the game because there weren’t robust programs from first grade up.
If you go back to 72 there weren’t any women presidents or CEOs that I recall. Civil war ended in 1865. There wasn’t a black president till 2008. Some things you do because it’s the right thing do to.
Some folks apparently don’t believe it is.
I’m thinking it was.
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Time isn't going to change the physiological differences between male and female sports. That's the point that you seem to keep on missing/avoiding.77matcat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:49 amAFCat
Figured it was after 72. I graduated from HS then. Didn’t and don’t really follow girls bb, but I assume there wasn’t a real flock of talent to the game because there weren’t robust programs from first grade up.
If you go back to 72 there weren’t any women presidents or CEOs that I recall. Civil war ended in 1865. There wasn’t a black president till 2008. Some things you do because it’s the right thing do to.
Some folks apparently don’t believe it is.
I’m thinking or was.
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Ding ding ding. For some reason 77 seems to believe that since we’ve had an African American President and female CEOs that it’s just a matter of time until we get a female LeBron James.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:12 amTime isn't going to change the physiological differences between male and female sports. That's the point that you seem to keep on missing/avoiding.77matcat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:49 amAFCat
Figured it was after 72. I graduated from HS then. Didn’t and don’t really follow girls bb, but I assume there wasn’t a real flock of talent to the game because there weren’t robust programs from first grade up.
If you go back to 72 there weren’t any women presidents or CEOs that I recall. Civil war ended in 1865. There wasn’t a black president till 2008. Some things you do because it’s the right thing do to.
Some folks apparently don’t believe it is.
I’m thinking or was.