Griz Fans and The Trial

[HelenaCat]

Ya ever notice that no one ever reads eGriz except when they're reading eGriz?

Well I know that this was the first time I have been over there in 2013 and if memory serves me well I was over there 2 times in 2012.

If you would like I could keep a log for you but information like that is going to cost you something. Let me know and we can work out a deal.

Well, I have not gone on egriz in some time and I won't, mostly because I just don't care about much of anything concerend with um. So I really can't comment on what is going on over there. But it sure struck me that Tampa Griz is really calling the kettle black in his (again) stupid comments regarding Cat fans looking for the worst. In reading Bobcat Nation comments regarding the JJ trial, I have really seen nothing that stands out to me as anyone looking fro the worst in this case. Nearly all comments by Cat fans have been pretty darn respectful toward this whole situation that is potentially lifetime damaging to two young adults. Then Tampa comes on and tries to make it look like Cat fans are a big problem?

I put Tampa on my ignore list long ago. I just wish everyone would so I would not read his comments in any replies by others!

[codecat]

Ya ever notice that no one ever reads eGriz except when they're reading eGriz?

Well I know that this was the first time I have been over there in 2013 and if memory serves me well I was over there 2 times in 2012.

If you would like I could keep a log for you but information like that is going to cost you something. Let me know and we can work out a deal.

No need to do that Joe Bobcat, tampa will just use it as another opportunity to purposefully misconstrue what you say, just as he as with so many others over here.

[CPrice91]

First off it is not all egriz posters, but I saw it on the Cat-Griz insider as well, that a fair amount of people were talking about how they are now worried in Bozeman because of the verdict, that there should be civil suits against the girl, that her name should be made public, and that she should be kicked out of school and run out of town. They are saying this vindicates Pfulgran and O'day. Those are the posters that most of us are referring to. It is not a majority of posters, but sometimes fans as a group are lumped together and seen in the light of their worst fans. Is it fair? No, but it happens.

I have seen enough comments to turn my stomach regarding this whole matter. Two young peoples lives and the lives of their families will never be the same. Hopefully all involved will be able to begin a healing process and will move forward and have good lives.

Something else is at play here. There have been a few odd ducks calling for the accuser's name to be made public for a long time now on eGriz, newspaper comments, Twitter, Facebook, etc. But something happened yesterday that has made a few people "f-uvking ashamed" and "f-cking disgusted". Those are strong words used to illustrate strong emotions. I'm getting the sense that some Bobcat fans were hoping for something yesterday they could poke a Griz Fran's eye with. They didn't get it and are upset about that.

No, dude, you're missing the freakin' point. In any rape case, anywhere, regarding anyone, my utmost concern goes toward the person who was potentially raped - because if they really were raped, they are going to through an unimaginable amount of trauma regarding the incident.

So, when I see or hear about anyone that has attempted to slander, verbally abuse, or in any way threaten the potential victim, I do indeed find myself completely "f***ing ashamed" and "f***ing disgusted" that I have to even imagine such pathetic scum walk the earth, and that I must call them human beings. I don't give a f*** if it's a UM grad, MSU grad, Montanan, American, Canadian, whatever - I lose all respect for someone when they decide to cross that line of humanity.


That is what has been "f***ing disgusting" about this trial. And my disgust goes toward any human being that engaged in that behavior - the fact that the few who were doing it in this case were Griz fans is irrelevant. You could replace this situation with any fanbase and you'd get the same "odd ducks" you spoke of.

[RationalGriz]

Tired of people thinking that whether you are a Griz or Cat has anything to do with whether you think JJ was guilty or not guilty...except for some on egriz. Time for people to get over it.

[tampa_griz]

First off it is not all egriz posters, but I saw it on the Cat-Griz insider as well, that a fair amount of people were talking about how they are now worried in Bozeman because of the verdict, that there should be civil suits against the girl, that her name should be made public, and that she should be kicked out of school and run out of town. They are saying this vindicates Pfulgran and O'day. Those are the posters that most of us are referring to. It is not a majority of posters, but sometimes fans as a group are lumped together and seen in the light of their worst fans. Is it fair? No, but it happens.

I have seen enough comments to turn my stomach regarding this whole matter. Two young peoples lives and the lives of their families will never be the same. Hopefully all involved will be able to begin a healing process and will move forward and have good lives.

Something else is at play here. There have been a few odd ducks calling for the accuser's name to be made public for a long time now on eGriz, newspaper comments, Twitter, Facebook, etc. But something happened yesterday that has made a few people "f-uvking ashamed" and "f-cking disgusted". Those are strong words used to illustrate strong emotions. I'm getting the sense that some Bobcat fans were hoping for something yesterday they could poke a Griz Fran's eye with. They didn't get it and are upset about that.

No, dude, you're missing the freakin' point. In any rape case, anywhere, regarding anyone, my utmost concern goes toward the person who was potentially raped - because if they really were raped, they are going to through an unimaginable amount of trauma regarding the incident.

So, when I see or hear about anyone that has attempted to slander, verbally abuse, or in any way threaten the potential victim, I do indeed find myself completely "f***ing ashamed" and "f***ing disgusted" that I have to even imagine such pathetic scum walk the earth, and that I must call them human beings. I don't give a f*** if it's a UM grad, MSU grad, Montanan, American, Canadian, whatever - I lose all respect for someone when they decide to cross that line of humanity.


That is what has been "f***ing disgusting" about this trial. And my disgust goes toward any human being that engaged in that behavior - the fact that the few who were doing it in this case were Griz fans is irrelevant. You could replace this situation with any fanbase and you'd get the same "odd ducks" you spoke of.

I think Jerry Sandusky should be in prison. I don't think we should let babies starve to death. I think it's bad what that one that guy did to those first-graders at Sandy Hook.

[CPrice91]

^

For you:

Tired of people thinking that whether you are a Griz or Cat has anything to do with whether you think JJ was guilty or not guilty...except for some on egriz. Time for people to get over it.

Thank you RationalGriz.

[grizatwork]

Anyone who thinks that this woman should be exposed or expelled or treated poorly in anyway should be castrated. She knew that bringing charges would put her in the middle of a storm. I don't agree she should be treated poorly because of this. However, my fiance has been following this trial. She is from California with no horse in the race and her response has been that after she heard the woman's part of this, that she wants to have 5 minutes witht he girl to talk to her about her behavior up to the moment in question. She made the statement that the girl was lucky that she wasn't her daughter. I have a daughter, so I tend to to lean to the she said version of this, but she made a good point.

[codecat]

From these two articles, it look as though JJ might be looking at playing football again at UM.

Johnson discussing future on football team with UM
http://www.kbzk.com/news/johnson-discus ... m-with-um/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Montana coach believes acquitted Johnson wants to play again
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnf ... id=4572751" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[KittieKop]

Gawd, you know, I wish the kid the best getting back on the field. I didn't follow the trial all that closely so I can't comment on the "not guilty versus innocent" argument, but I just don't know why he would want to put himself through what is sure to come. I certainly don't condone it in the least, but you know the opposing fan ribbing the kid's going to take (most of it hugely inappropriate), not to mention the continuing attention from the militant feminist university and Missoula crowd his return to the team would attract. I imagine if he really does want back on, and all the legal and university punishment issues are resolved, the team would welcome him back, and likely would have a hard time being able to say no even if they wanted. I just can't for the life of me understand why Jordan Johnson would want to stay in the middle of what is sure to continue to be a @!*tstorm in Missoula surrounding him and the rest of the athletic department.

[Joe Bobcat]

I think it is a virtual 100 percent guarantee that the team would welcome him back totally! As far as fan support in Missoula in the stadium he will have 98 percent support ( of the 2% that don't support him 98 % of them will be silent).
Now on the road it could be a little or a lot rougher. If he still has a burning desire to play he should do it.

I meant to also say that I have no idea where he will be at mentally or physically at the start of spring drills but I think he will come back to everything that he was and maybe more.
I would never count him out on the football field till the clock says 00:00.

[tampa_griz]

It's FCS football. No one really gives a ******.

[[cat_bracket]]

I think it is a virtual 100 percent guarantee that the team would welcome him back totally! As far as fan support in Missoula in the stadium he will have 98 percent support ( of the 2% that don't support him 98 % of them will be silent).
Now on the road it could be a little or a lot rougher. If he still has a burning desire to play he should do it.

I meant to also say that I have no idea where he will be at mentally or physically at the start of spring drills but I think he will come back to everything that he was and maybe more.
I would never count him out on the football field till the clock says 00:00.

I think the only place he'll catch hell would be at Bobcat Stadium. I don't think the students at other schools, maybe EWU, are all that tuned in to what's going on with their football teams. I highly doubt he's going to transfer, but if he's going to I'd guess it would be to WSU mainly because Pflugrad is there and to a much lesser extent because WSU doesn't travel to MSU this year. Our student section is going to let UM have it no whether Johnson plays or not. UM also hosts WSU, so that might be too awkward.

Personally, I'm interested to see how he progresses. He didn't do much the first part of his soph season, but showed improvement late in the year. He's games vs. WSU, No. Iowa and Sam Houston were very good. He was in on a couple big plays against us, as well, but his receivers probably deserve a lot of the credit on those plays. The fourth down catch by the big TE was a throw that only the TE could catch, so I give him credit there, but it was an incredible catch. Then he was soooo lucky he didn't get picked off on the long bomb to Sambrano. He underthrew it and it wasn't a tight spiral. Still haunts me to this day as you can tell.

[Bobcat Jim]

Did I read somewhere if JJ transferred to another school he would have to sit out a year?

[GRIZFNZ]

Did I read somewhere if JJ transferred to another school he would have to sit out a year?

NCAA requires a football transfer to sit for 1 year to acclimate academically. The only way around it is if a player had completed their undergraduate degree and transfers to a school to pursue a masters in a program not offered by the undergraduate institution. All of this must take place within the 10 semesters a student athlete has to complete 4 years of athletic participation

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[PapaG]

It's FCS football. No one really gives a ******.

You care enough to be one of the leading posters on a Bobcat message board.

[PapaG]

Did I read somewhere if JJ transferred to another school he would have to sit out a year?

NCAA requires a football transfer to sit for 1 year to acclimate academically. The only way around it is if a player had completed their undergraduate degree and transfers to a school to pursue a masters in a program not offered by the undergraduate institution. All of this must take place within the 10 semesters a student athlete has to complete 4 years of athletic participation

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Not at all true. A player can transfer from FBS to FCS, as long as they have two years eligibility, without sitting out a year. Same with a FCS to D2 or D3 transfer.

[GRIZFNZ]

Did I read somewhere if JJ transferred to another school he would have to sit out a year?

NCAA requires a football transfer to sit for 1 year to acclimate academically. The only way around it is if a player had completed their undergraduate degree and transfers to a school to pursue a masters in a program not offered by the undergraduate institution. All of this must take place within the 10 semesters a student athlete has to complete 4 years of athletic participation

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Not at all true. A player can transfer from FBS to FCS, as long as they have two years eligibility, without sitting out a year. Same with a FCS to D2 or D3 transfer.

JJ isn't transferring from FBS nor is he transferring to D2 or 3, so yes it is all true.

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[tampa_griz]

It's FCS football. No one really gives a ******.

You care enough to be one of the leading posters on a Bobcat message board.

No one gives a rat's ass about FCS football. Trust me.

I post here mainly to satisfy your obsession with me.

[[cat_bracket]]

You gotta love the double-standard by UM fans, not all of them, but a lot of them. My favorite is how JJ was victimized and the girl that accused JJ of rape was a big slut and a psycho. Yet JJ, who knew this psycho, slutty girl for over a year and was dating someone he truly cared about, per his testimony, still had sex with her without a condom. If she's as bad as they're saying and he's such a great guy, then shouldn't he be able to pick up on that and just stay away from her? She sure doesn't sound like the kind of girl the star QB of the mightiest team in all the land has to settle for. Sorry to those fans, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[bobcatmaniac]

My thoughts exactly