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Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:19 pm
by Team10
Montana State will lose at least $13m in grants/funding and potentially much more. You get what you vote for…
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lk ... obilebasic
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:11 pm
by Cataholic
Based on your last sentence, I guess you felt Biden and Kamala were doing a great job. And while I hate to see MSU lose any money, are you saying these were critical and essential programs? Would the US be better spending that money on other critical needs like battling the drug war?
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:29 am
by The Butcher
Cataholic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:11 pm
Based on your last sentence, I guess you felt Biden and Kamala were doing a great job. And while I hate to see MSU lose any money, are you saying these were critical and essential programs? Would the US be better spending that money on other critical needs like battling the drug war?
The money "saved" will be going to Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, not the fight on a "drug war."
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:41 pm
by Cataholic
The Butcher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:29 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:11 pm
Based on your last sentence, I guess you felt Biden and Kamala were doing a great job. And while I hate to see MSU lose any money, are you saying these were critical and essential programs? Would the US be better spending that money on other critical needs like battling the drug war?
The money "saved" will be going to Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, not the fight on a "drug war."
I don’t suppose you have anything factual to base that on?
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:32 am
by The Butcher
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:41 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:29 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:11 pm
Based on your last sentence, I guess you felt Biden and Kamala were doing a great job. And while I hate to see MSU lose any money, are you saying these were critical and essential programs? Would the US be better spending that money on other critical needs like battling the drug war?
The money "saved" will be going to Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, not the fight on a "drug war."
I don’t suppose you have anything factual to base that on?
Just the news...
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:38 am
by Cataholic
The Butcher wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:32 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:41 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:29 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:11 pm
Based on your last sentence, I guess you felt Biden and Kamala were doing a great job. And while I hate to see MSU lose any money, are you saying these were critical and essential programs? Would the US be better spending that money on other critical needs like battling the drug war?
The money "saved" will be going to Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, not the fight on a "drug war."
I don’t suppose you have anything factual to base that on?
Just the news...
Thanks for the details!
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:40 am
by The Butcher
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:38 am
The Butcher wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:32 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:41 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:29 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:11 pm
Based on your last sentence, I guess you felt Biden and Kamala were doing a great job. And while I hate to see MSU lose any money, are you saying these were critical and essential programs? Would the US be better spending that money on other critical needs like battling the drug war?
The money "saved" will be going to Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, not the fight on a "drug war."
I don’t suppose you have anything factual to base that on?
Just the news...
Thanks for the details!
You bet!
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:47 am
by DMMDCats
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:41 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:29 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:11 pm
Based on your last sentence, I guess you felt Biden and Kamala were doing a great job. And while I hate to see MSU lose any money, are you saying these were critical and essential programs? Would the US be better spending that money on other critical needs like battling the drug war?
The money "saved" will be going to Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, not the fight on a "drug war."
I don’t suppose you have anything factual to base that on?
Yes, he learned how to read when he was young then gained practical knowledge and common sense.
Do you not read the news?
It is plainly spelled out every day.
In their own words.
Mask needs your money.
Please give.
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:40 pm
by Cataholic
DMMDCats wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:47 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:41 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:29 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:11 pm
Based on your last sentence, I guess you felt Biden and Kamala were doing a great job. And while I hate to see MSU lose any money, are you saying these were critical and essential programs? Would the US be better spending that money on other critical needs like battling the drug war?
The money "saved" will be going to Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, not the fight on a "drug war."
I don’t suppose you have anything factual to base that on?
Yes, he learned how to read when he was young then gained practical knowledge and common sense.
Do you not read the news?
It is plainly spelled out every day.
In their own words.
Mask needs your money.
Please give.
Another well thought out piece of “factual” information. Can you give me an example instead of just a generic opinion?
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:55 pm
by The Butcher
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:40 pm
DMMDCats wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:47 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:41 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:29 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:11 pm
Based on your last sentence, I guess you felt Biden and Kamala were doing a great job. And while I hate to see MSU lose any money, are you saying these were critical and essential programs? Would the US be better spending that money on other critical needs like battling the drug war?
The money "saved" will be going to Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, not the fight on a "drug war."
I don’t suppose you have anything factual to base that on?
Yes, he learned how to read when he was young then gained practical knowledge and common sense.
Do you not read the news?
It is plainly spelled out every day.
In their own words.
Mask needs your money.
Please give.
Another well thought out piece of “factual” information. Can you give me an example instead of just a generic opinion?
You could use a search engine like "Ask Jeeves" to find the answer, but here you go:
https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/ ... ciliation/
Now kindly sir, please provide your proof that all of these cuts are going directly to the war on drugs.
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 7:58 pm
by Cataholic
The Butcher wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:55 pm
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:40 pm
DMMDCats wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:47 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:41 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:29 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:11 pm
Based on your last sentence, I guess you felt Biden and Kamala were doing a great job. And while I hate to see MSU lose any money, are you saying these were critical and essential programs? Would the US be better spending that money on other critical needs like battling the drug war?
The money "saved" will be going to Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, not the fight on a "drug war."
I don’t suppose you have anything factual to base that on?
Yes, he learned how to read when he was young then gained practical knowledge and common sense.
Do you not read the news?
It is plainly spelled out every day.
In their own words.
Mask needs your money.
Please give.
Another well thought out piece of “factual” information. Can you give me an example instead of just a generic opinion?
You could use a search engine like "Ask Jeeves" to find the answer, but here you go:
https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/ ... ciliation/
Now kindly sir, please provide your proof that all of these cuts are going directly to the war on drugs.
Those emojis do wonders for your credibility!
You might have missed a class or two on economics, but a general tax cut theory is that it will result in greater disposable income and spending for all classes. It spurs reinvestment and creates new jobs. A popular term was even coined called Reaganomics.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/reaganomics.asp
If you think that our government has been spending money wisely for the past decades, I am sure you would be in the minority. But maybe there is a need for educating Nigerian tribes on the importance and accessibility to transgender rights.
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:19 pm
by 77matman
You’ve stated the promise of Reagannomics / trickle down economics. A rising tide floats all boats. Studies have indicated however that most of the freed up tax dollars didn’t get reinvested in the economy to help all income levels. Mainly just the well to do. Although the country did ok this article states the county actually did better under higher tax rates.
Instead of reinvesting corporations bought back their stock which drove up their EPS which coincidentally drove up one of the larger matrix’s of senior manager’s performance review and thus their bonuses. Individuals did what rich individuals do. They bought new toys. Yachts and air planes.
If you ask yourself when was American the greatest a lot of folks would say the 60’s and 70’s. There was a strong middle class and high marginal tax rates.
I vote conservative more often than not, but giving the richest people who really don’t care about society more money, probably isn’t the best for society.
In his book, Mitt probably said it best. He didn’t know how republicans convinced middle class voters conservative policies were good for them.
https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... -promises/
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:00 am
by The Butcher
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 7:58 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:55 pm
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:40 pm
DMMDCats wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:47 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:41 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:29 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:11 pm
Based on your last sentence, I guess you felt Biden and Kamala were doing a great job. And while I hate to see MSU lose any money, are you saying these were critical and essential programs? Would the US be better spending that money on other critical needs like battling the drug war?
The money "saved" will be going to Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, not the fight on a "drug war."
I don’t suppose you have anything factual to base that on?
Yes, he learned how to read when he was young then gained practical knowledge and common sense.
Do you not read the news?
It is plainly spelled out every day.
In their own words.
Mask needs your money.
Please give.
Another well thought out piece of “factual” information. Can you give me an example instead of just a generic opinion?
You could use a search engine like "Ask Jeeves" to find the answer, but here you go:
https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/ ... ciliation/
Now kindly sir, please provide your proof that all of these cuts are going directly to the war on drugs.
Those emojis do wonders for your credibility!
You might have missed a class or two on economics, but a general tax cut theory is that it will result in greater disposable income and spending for all classes. It spurs reinvestment and creates new jobs. A popular term was even coined called Reaganomics.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/reaganomics.asp
If you think that our government has been spending money wisely for the past decades, I am sure you would be in the minority. But maybe there is a need for educating Nigerian tribes on the importance and accessibility to transgender rights.
Moving the goal posts again.
So originally you stated these "tax cuts" are funding the war on drugs? How adorably misguided. In reality, these cuts are a desperate attempt to patch up the gaping hole in our budget caused by Trump's fiscal misadventures. The tax cuts championed by Trump, is projected to add approximately $4.5 trillion to the deficit over a decade. This isn't some economic wizardry; it's basic math. Ignoring this reality suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. And let’s be real—recklessly piling on debt to cover for these cuts is the exact opposite of being fiscally responsible with American tax dollars. So, unless you've got some concrete evidence linking these tax cuts to the war on drugs, it's time to face the facts.
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:19 am
by Cataholic
77matman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:19 pm
You’ve stated the promise of Reagannomics / trickle down economics. A rising tide floats all boats. Studies have indicated however that most of the freed up tax dollars didn’t get reinvested in the economy to help all income levels. Mainly just the well to do. Although the country did ok this article states the county actually did better under higher tax rates.
Instead of reinvesting corporations bought back their stock which drove up their EPS which coincidentally drove up one of the larger matrix’s of senior manager’s performance review and thus their bonuses. Individuals did what rich individuals do. They bought new toys. Yachts and air planes.
If you ask yourself when was American the greatest a lot of folks would say the 60’s and 70’s. There was a strong middle class and high marginal tax rates.
I vote conservative more often than not, but giving the richest people who really don’t care about society more money, probably isn’t the best for society.
In his book, Mitt probably said it best. He didn’t know how republicans convinced middle class voters conservative policies were good for them.
https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... -promises/
Good post. And I agree that no economic policy is fool proof. However, in your post you mention that the rich buy yachts and airplanes instead of reinvesting. Who do you think builds these yachts and airplanes? Will workers benefit from building those “toys”. I would say yes.
Completely agree though that there are all kinds of economic policies and their effectiveness is debatable. I think regardless of economic policy is that just collecting taxes and spending on government waste is not good. Shouldn’t the government be spending on things that actually benefit the US?
EDIT - Don’t forget that one of the major tax cuts is on social security, tips and overtime. That will go directly into people’s pockets. Not the rich.
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:41 am
by Cataholic
The Butcher wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:00 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 7:58 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:55 pm
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:40 pm
DMMDCats wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:47 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:41 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:29 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:11 pm
Based on your last sentence, I guess you felt Biden and Kamala were doing a great job. And while I hate to see MSU lose any money, are you saying these were critical and essential programs? Would the US be better spending that money on other critical needs like battling the drug war?
The money "saved" will be going to Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, not the fight on a "drug war."
I don’t suppose you have anything factual to base that on?
Yes, he learned how to read when he was young then gained practical knowledge and common sense.
Do you not read the news?
It is plainly spelled out every day.
In their own words.
Mask needs your money.
Please give.
Another well thought out piece of “factual” information. Can you give me an example instead of just a generic opinion?
You could use a search engine like "Ask Jeeves" to find the answer, but here you go:
https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/ ... ciliation/
Now kindly sir, please provide your proof that all of these cuts are going directly to the war on drugs.
Those emojis do wonders for your credibility!
You might have missed a class or two on economics, but a general tax cut theory is that it will result in greater disposable income and spending for all classes. It spurs reinvestment and creates new jobs. A popular term was even coined called Reaganomics.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/reaganomics.asp
If you think that our government has been spending money wisely for the past decades, I am sure you would be in the minority. But maybe there is a need for educating Nigerian tribes on the importance and accessibility to transgender rights.
Moving the goal posts again.
So originally you stated these "tax cuts" are funding the war on drugs? How adorably misguided. In reality, these cuts are a desperate attempt to patch up the gaping hole in our budget caused by Trump's fiscal misadventures. The tax cuts championed by Trump, is projected to add approximately $4.5 trillion to the deficit over a decade. This isn't some economic wizardry; it's basic math. Ignoring this reality suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. And let’s be real—recklessly piling on debt to cover for these cuts is the exact opposite of being fiscally responsible with American tax dollars. So, unless you've got some concrete evidence linking these tax cuts to the war on drugs, it's time to face the facts.
You have a real bad habit of making assumptions and putting words in peoples mouths. I said “other critical needs LIKE the war on drugs”. I didn’t say ONLY the war on drugs. Don’t you think that this administration has done more against the war on drugs in the first 30 days that Biden over 4 years? The number of criminals coming over the border illegally is down like 90%. That is a crazy number. Is it being wholly funded by cutting government waste? Not entirely, but I would rather see us spend money in that battle against drugs versus transgender education programs in Africa.
And get your facts straight. It is not “tax cuts” that are funding programs like the war on drugs. It is cutting government waste. Then we can reallocate resources to critical programs.
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:43 am
by The Butcher
Cataholic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:41 am
The Butcher wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:00 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 7:58 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:55 pm
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:40 pm
DMMDCats wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:47 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:41 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:29 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:11 pm
Based on your last sentence, I guess you felt Biden and Kamala were doing a great job. And while I hate to see MSU lose any money, are you saying these were critical and essential programs? Would the US be better spending that money on other critical needs like battling the drug war?
The money "saved" will be going to Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, not the fight on a "drug war."
I don’t suppose you have anything factual to base that on?
Yes, he learned how to read when he was young then gained practical knowledge and common sense.
Do you not read the news?
It is plainly spelled out every day.
In their own words.
Mask needs your money.
Please give.
Another well thought out piece of “factual” information. Can you give me an example instead of just a generic opinion?
You could use a search engine like "Ask Jeeves" to find the answer, but here you go:
https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/ ... ciliation/
Now kindly sir, please provide your proof that all of these cuts are going directly to the war on drugs.
Those emojis do wonders for your credibility!
You might have missed a class or two on economics, but a general tax cut theory is that it will result in greater disposable income and spending for all classes. It spurs reinvestment and creates new jobs. A popular term was even coined called Reaganomics.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/reaganomics.asp
If you think that our government has been spending money wisely for the past decades, I am sure you would be in the minority. But maybe there is a need for educating Nigerian tribes on the importance and accessibility to transgender rights.
Moving the goal posts again.
So originally you stated these "tax cuts" are funding the war on drugs? How adorably misguided. In reality, these cuts are a desperate attempt to patch up the gaping hole in our budget caused by Trump's fiscal misadventures. The tax cuts championed by Trump, is projected to add approximately $4.5 trillion to the deficit over a decade. This isn't some economic wizardry; it's basic math. Ignoring this reality suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. And let’s be real—recklessly piling on debt to cover for these cuts is the exact opposite of being fiscally responsible with American tax dollars. So, unless you've got some concrete evidence linking these tax cuts to the war on drugs, it's time to face the facts.
You have a real bad habit of making assumptions and putting words in peoples mouths. I said “other critical needs LIKE the war on drugs”. I didn’t say ONLY the war on drugs. Don’t you think that this administration has done more against the war on drugs in the first 30 days that Biden over 4 years? The number of criminals coming over the border illegally is down like 90%. That is a crazy number. Is it being wholly funded by cutting government waste? Not entirely, but I would rather see us spend money in that battle against drugs versus transgender education programs in Africa.
And get your facts straight. It is not “tax cuts” that are funding programs like the war on drugs. It is cutting government waste. Then we can reallocate resources to critical programs.
Oh, this is rich. So because I call out the blatant fiscal irresponsibility of Trump’s tax plan, that must mean I think Biden and Kamala were doing a great job? Solid logic there—because clearly, if you criticize one thing, you must be blindly worshipping the other. That’s some next-level political analysis.
And let’s talk about these critical and essential programs you’re so eager to dismiss. Funny how the definition of "critical" changes when it’s something you don’t personally care about. But sure, let’s just funnel everything into your pet priorities and pretend that slashing revenue while racking up debt is somehow the mark of strong leadership.
Also, love the complete confidence in that 90% drop in illegal border crossings—just casually tossing out a number that has been fact checked and found misleading.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/f ... ng-sharply
But hey, at least we can agree on one thing—you do have a habit of putting words in people’s mouths.
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 10:36 am
by Cataholic
The Butcher wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:43 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:41 am
The Butcher wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:00 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 7:58 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:55 pm
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:40 pm
DMMDCats wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:47 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:41 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:29 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:11 pm
Based on your last sentence, I guess you felt Biden and Kamala were doing a great job. And while I hate to see MSU lose any money, are you saying these were critical and essential programs? Would the US be better spending that money on other critical needs like battling the drug war?
The money "saved" will be going to Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, not the fight on a "drug war."
I don’t suppose you have anything factual to base that on?
Yes, he learned how to read when he was young then gained practical knowledge and common sense.
Do you not read the news?
It is plainly spelled out every day.
In their own words.
Mask needs your money.
Please give.
Another well thought out piece of “factual” information. Can you give me an example instead of just a generic opinion?
You could use a search engine like "Ask Jeeves" to find the answer, but here you go:
https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/ ... ciliation/
Now kindly sir, please provide your proof that all of these cuts are going directly to the war on drugs.
Those emojis do wonders for your credibility!
You might have missed a class or two on economics, but a general tax cut theory is that it will result in greater disposable income and spending for all classes. It spurs reinvestment and creates new jobs. A popular term was even coined called Reaganomics.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/reaganomics.asp
If you think that our government has been spending money wisely for the past decades, I am sure you would be in the minority. But maybe there is a need for educating Nigerian tribes on the importance and accessibility to transgender rights.
Moving the goal posts again.
So originally you stated these "tax cuts" are funding the war on drugs? How adorably misguided. In reality, these cuts are a desperate attempt to patch up the gaping hole in our budget caused by Trump's fiscal misadventures. The tax cuts championed by Trump, is projected to add approximately $4.5 trillion to the deficit over a decade. This isn't some economic wizardry; it's basic math. Ignoring this reality suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. And let’s be real—recklessly piling on debt to cover for these cuts is the exact opposite of being fiscally responsible with American tax dollars. So, unless you've got some concrete evidence linking these tax cuts to the war on drugs, it's time to face the facts.
You have a real bad habit of making assumptions and putting words in peoples mouths. I said “other critical needs LIKE the war on drugs”. I didn’t say ONLY the war on drugs. Don’t you think that this administration has done more against the war on drugs in the first 30 days that Biden over 4 years? The number of criminals coming over the border illegally is down like 90%. That is a crazy number. Is it being wholly funded by cutting government waste? Not entirely, but I would rather see us spend money in that battle against drugs versus transgender education programs in Africa.
And get your facts straight. It is not “tax cuts” that are funding programs like the war on drugs. It is cutting government waste. Then we can reallocate resources to critical programs.
Oh, this is rich. So because I call out the blatant fiscal irresponsibility of Trump’s tax plan, that must mean I think Biden and Kamala were doing a great job? Solid logic there—because clearly, if you criticize one thing, you must be blindly worshipping the other. That’s some next-level political analysis.
And let’s talk about these critical and essential programs you’re so eager to dismiss. Funny how the definition of "critical" changes when it’s something you don’t personally care about. But sure, let’s just funnel everything into your pet priorities and pretend that slashing revenue while racking up debt is somehow the mark of strong leadership.
Also, love the complete confidence in that 90% drop in illegal border crossings—just casually tossing out a number that has been fact checked and found misleading.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/f ... ng-sharply
But hey, at least we can agree on one thing—you do have a habit of putting words in people’s mouths.
Let’s check off a couple items YOU brought up…
There were two candidates. You have Trump derangement syndrome. Who did you vote for in the last election? Is it “far fetched” for me to assume you supported Biden Harris?
Are you for funding the questionable programs like transgender education programs in Africa? I am not. I believe there are much more worthwhile programs that benefit our country.
PBS has become a far left platform. It is a fact. For discussion purposes, assume that it is not a 90% drop at the border. Can you agree that it was significant? And can you agree that this admin has done a much better job than Biden?
Lastly, as I mentioned earlier but you apparently haven’t taken the time to read, a large portion of the tax cuts are on social security, tips and overtime. Who does that directly benefit? The rich or the middle income? And the tax cut philosophy is a matter of debate, but many economic experts understand trickle down economics. In this instance, much of the new disposable income created is for the middle class.
As for my “pet projects”, what are you referring to? Cracking down on drug smuggling? Addressing cartel crime in the US? Maybe human trafficking? Are these just my “pet projects” or do you believe in addressing any of these?
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 11:09 am
by The Butcher
Cataholic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 10:36 am
The Butcher wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:43 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:41 am
The Butcher wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:00 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 7:58 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:55 pm
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:40 pm
DMMDCats wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:47 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:41 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:29 am
The money "saved" will be going to Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, not the fight on a "drug war."
I don’t suppose you have anything factual to base that on?
Yes, he learned how to read when he was young then gained practical knowledge and common sense.
Do you not read the news?
It is plainly spelled out every day.
In their own words.
Mask needs your money.
Please give.
Another well thought out piece of “factual” information. Can you give me an example instead of just a generic opinion?
You could use a search engine like "Ask Jeeves" to find the answer, but here you go:
https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/ ... ciliation/
Now kindly sir, please provide your proof that all of these cuts are going directly to the war on drugs.
Those emojis do wonders for your credibility!
You might have missed a class or two on economics, but a general tax cut theory is that it will result in greater disposable income and spending for all classes. It spurs reinvestment and creates new jobs. A popular term was even coined called Reaganomics.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/reaganomics.asp
If you think that our government has been spending money wisely for the past decades, I am sure you would be in the minority. But maybe there is a need for educating Nigerian tribes on the importance and accessibility to transgender rights.
Moving the goal posts again.
So originally you stated these "tax cuts" are funding the war on drugs? How adorably misguided. In reality, these cuts are a desperate attempt to patch up the gaping hole in our budget caused by Trump's fiscal misadventures. The tax cuts championed by Trump, is projected to add approximately $4.5 trillion to the deficit over a decade. This isn't some economic wizardry; it's basic math. Ignoring this reality suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. And let’s be real—recklessly piling on debt to cover for these cuts is the exact opposite of being fiscally responsible with American tax dollars. So, unless you've got some concrete evidence linking these tax cuts to the war on drugs, it's time to face the facts.
You have a real bad habit of making assumptions and putting words in peoples mouths. I said “other critical needs LIKE the war on drugs”. I didn’t say ONLY the war on drugs. Don’t you think that this administration has done more against the war on drugs in the first 30 days that Biden over 4 years? The number of criminals coming over the border illegally is down like 90%. That is a crazy number. Is it being wholly funded by cutting government waste? Not entirely, but I would rather see us spend money in that battle against drugs versus transgender education programs in Africa.
And get your facts straight. It is not “tax cuts” that are funding programs like the war on drugs. It is cutting government waste. Then we can reallocate resources to critical programs.
Oh, this is rich. So because I call out the blatant fiscal irresponsibility of Trump’s tax plan, that must mean I think Biden and Kamala were doing a great job? Solid logic there—because clearly, if you criticize one thing, you must be blindly worshipping the other. That’s some next-level political analysis.
And let’s talk about these critical and essential programs you’re so eager to dismiss. Funny how the definition of "critical" changes when it’s something you don’t personally care about. But sure, let’s just funnel everything into your pet priorities and pretend that slashing revenue while racking up debt is somehow the mark of strong leadership.
Also, love the complete confidence in that 90% drop in illegal border crossings—just casually tossing out a number that has been fact checked and found misleading.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/f ... ng-sharply
But hey, at least we can agree on one thing—you do have a habit of putting words in people’s mouths.
Let’s check off a couple items YOU brought up…
There were two candidates. You have Trump derangement syndrome. Who did you vote for in the last election? Is it “far fetched” for me to assume you supported Biden Harris?
Are you for funding the questionable programs like transgender education programs in Africa? I am not. I believe there are much more worthwhile programs that benefit our country.
PBS has become a far left platform. It is a fact. For discussion purposes, assume that it is not a 90% drop at the border. Can you agree that it was significant? And can you agree that this admin has done a much better job than Biden?
Lastly, as I mentioned earlier but you apparently haven’t taken the time to read, a large portion of the tax cuts are on social security, tips and overtime. Who does that directly benefit? The rich or the middle income? And the tax cut philosophy is a matter of debate, but many economic experts understand trickle down economics. In this instance, much of the new disposable income created is for the middle class.
As for my “pet projects”, what are you referring to? Cracking down on drug smuggling? Addressing cartel crime in the US? Maybe human trafficking? Are these just my “pet projects” or do you believe in addressing any of these?
Oh boy, where to start with this grab bag of talking points?
First off, Trump Derangement Syndrome? Classic deflection. If criticizing bad policy equals "derangement," then I guess anyone with a functioning brain should be diagnosed. And funny how you demand to know who I voted for—as if that somehow makes basic economics magically change—but if I asked you the same, you’d probably cry about bias.
Now, onto the transgender education in Africa obsession. You bringing it up like it’s the biggest issue facing America today. Let’s be real—that’s just a lazy culture war talking point thrown in for spice. If you want to debate actual government waste, there are plenty of serious examples, but somehow, that one always seems to pop up when people need a quick outrage boost.
As for PBS—calling it a "far left platform" is not a fact; it’s an opinion. And it’s a hilariously bad one at that. But I do love how you backpedal on your 90% border drop claim. “Okay, okay, maybe it’s not 90%, but can’t you at least admit it’s significant?” Nice pivot.
And now, the tax cuts—oh, look, trickle-down economics makes an appearance! A theory that has been repeatedly debunked as a reliable way to boost the economy for the middle class. But sure, let’s pretend giving tax cuts while ballooning the deficit is a stroke of genius. Also, claiming Social Security and overtime tax cuts are the main feature of this plan is some serious cherry-picking. Maybe check who benefits most when you add up all the cuts. Hint: it’s not your average 9-to-5 worker.
And finally, your “pet projects.” Oh yes, because before this conversation, nobody cared about stopping drug smuggling, cartel crime, or human trafficking. Thank goodness you showed up to champion them! Of course, I support addressing those issues—who wouldn’t? The difference is, I don’t pretend that slashing revenue and increasing debt is some master plan to solve them.
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 11:55 am
by DMMDCats
Buy a telsa mask needs your money
There is NO legislation currently drafted which removes taxes from SSA or overtime. It is merely a talking point.
Please provide the link if you know of one. Not a link to talking points, but the actual bill language, with the sponsors.
The budget DOES cut 880 billion from Medicare, MedicAid and SSD.
But we don’t need empathy, compassion nor humanity.
We got real MT men here who can ask “hold my beer” and “fafo”. That’s all we need.
Re: Montana State University losing $13m
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 11:59 am
by tdub
Guys, I have no crystal ball, but I can see this thread getting locked soon. I think the discussion is good, but it’s all the other personal digs and cynical crap that make both of you seem petty, and frankly it makes both of your guys’ points much weaker.
I actually WANT to know more about each side’s point of view and become more knowledgeable myself. But please for the rest of us have this discussion as two Bobcat fans sitting next to each other at a football game, still on the same team. And honestly neither of you can ‘win’ this debate, except to maybe learn something from one another.
